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• At one point Shroud claims Double's most powerful form is CycloneAccelXtreme, but wouldn't its most powerful form be FangAccelXtreme?
  • This is purely speculation, but it may be that Fang would be too wild to control when fueled by rage along with Accel. So maybe, just maybe, CAX was the most powerful that would still be easy enough to control.
    • With Gold Extreme unlocked in The Movie, and Accel Trial obtained in the show, wouldn't it be logical to say that Double's strongest form would be FangTrialGoldExtreme?
  • Except that's imposible because their's no Memory Driver that can support four memories(because the Xtreme Memory's two ports makes it count as two memories
  • Extreme absorbs the Memories placed in the Double Driver's ports (in the show, at least), so it's still possible...
• Fang uses Phillip's body. Since Phillip is absorbed into the Xtreme Memory...
  • You realize this JBM hits Fridge Logic once you realize how it would be impossible to fit BOTH the Fang and Xtreme Memories onto the Driver right?
    • Xtreme teleports Cyclone and Joker into itself when they transform into CJX.
  • Not really. the reality is that the Xtreme Memory has two plugs attached to its feet in the shape of memories, that way it can fit into both of the Double Driver's memory slots
• Xtreme memory is indeed how you have describe it. However, the very fact they transform into Kamen Rider CycloneJokerXtreme instead of Kamen Rider Xtreme, proves that Xtreme memory isn't the only memory involved in the transformation.
  • Then how do you explain the Cyclone and Joker Memories appearing outside CycloneJokerXtreme? It could just simply be that it's called CycloneJokerXtreme because he transforms using the Xtreme Memory in CycloneJoker Form.

• Going back to the Fang Memory. Why didn't they ever use FangMetal or FangTrigger in the show?
  • Because the Fang Memory is the memory of catharsis, frustration, and bitter rage. Would it feel better to hit a person with a stick, shoot someone, or tear them to pieces with your own two hands? Besides, the Fang Memory is bestial in nature; it's physical, and to harness the power of beasts requires a body, not a gun or a staff.
    • Well, with the removable Shoulder Fang, it could be possible to make a weapon to better tear enemies apart (a spearhead for the Metal Rod, and a bayonette for the Trigger Magnum)? Besides, certain martial arts (as portrayed in anime or live action tv, at least) rely on focusing your anger/spirit energy/whatever into a weapon, so...
  • Yes, but they aren't martial artists, they are detectives. Granted, they probably are able to kick more asses than normal people, but they don't have the discipline or training to do that kind of things. Also, as stated above, even if they could do that, Fang is better suited for hand-to-hand combat, making it more compatible with Joker than Metal or Trigger.

• If Phillip can look up the world's library to find out stuff, why didn't they use it to find the whereabouts of Sokichi if they are sure that they Never Found the Body?
  • Didn't the facility explode?
    • Well, yeah, but they most definitely know that they did not find Narumi's body, and it even fell in a pit that Taboo made. They could have just use the Gaia Library to see if Narumi is most definitely dead or not.
  • It seemed to be the implication that, because Phillipe already knew he was dead, he had done that already at some point. Nevermind the fact that the chief literally took his last breath in Shotaro's arms with Phillipe standing maybe 10 feet away...

• In one episode of Double, when Phillip is attacked by the Triceratops Dopant, he asks Shotaro to give him the Driver to transfrom into Fang Joker, but when he was getting chased by the Smilodon Dopant eariler on (before FJ's debut), this thought didn't enter his head, or hell, Fang never appeared to assist him. So, other than the fact that they did not create the suit for FJ yet, why didn't Phillip use Fang to protect him from the Smilodon Dopant?
  • Smilodon is Mick. I don't think Fang would attack Phillip's cat.
    • If this troper recalls correctly, at that point they simply didn't want to use it because it drove Phillip berserk (or Shotaro was against it, or whatever), where as at the time of the Triceratops Dopant, that bug was ironed out.
  • Wasn't Fang missing prior to its debut? So perhaps it couldn't of helped Phillip when he was attacked.

• If Gaia Memories are easy to break, like crushing it in your hand or stomping on it, why didn't Shotaro do that to the T-Rex Memory?
  • Notice that it's only ever someone who's already got an active Memory, which may indicate that a Dopant crushing it with his/her hand, is similar to Double's Memory Breaks.
    • Speaking of easy to crush Gaia Memories, does this apply to Double's Gaia Memories?
  • Possibly, though it must be noted that the Memories they break are raw, fresh-from-the-perverbial-oven, whereas the Riders' Memories are highly refined to the point that their power is severely weakened compared to the raw power of direct-insert Memories. Think about how easy it is to rip a cookie apart when it's fresh, compared to the relative effort it takes to break it later after it's cooled to room-temperature; similar theory here with the Memories.

• Why is Akiko, in general, so critical of Shotaro? He's has proven on a number of occasions with her in view-the first meetings with Santa-chan and the Info Dealer, not to mention impressive combat skill that has been thrust upon him by Phillip-that he is more than capable of being a detective. Sure, he blows up emotionally, but its not like she's not guilty of that either. And she always Gibbs Slapps him when she's more reckless and capable of botching up the plans, especially when she takes it upon herself to infiltrate the Sonozaki family.
  • We have a trope for that.
• I'm asking why compared to Shotaro, not what she is in terms of identifying the trope. In terms of Character Development, she doesn't have any real reason to be critical of him, motivation-wise outside of very, very small things.
  • Maybe she's just kind of a dick? Anyway, it's common for people to have specific people that just annoy them for no real logical reason.
    • We also forget that Shotaro has yet to tell her the one thing she wants to know: Where her father is. Let's not forget the episode/movie Begins Night, where she hears that he's dead, but not directly. Part of the later series annoyance she has with him could be fueled by the fact that he hasn't said it straight to her face.

• So... The T2's Zone Memory maximum drive, from what was shown in the Kamen Rider Double movie, brings all the other T2 Gaia Memories to the person who activated it. How come the Big Bad didn't just use it when they were searching for the Joker Memory?
  • Perhaps there is a distance limit to Zone's influence?
  • It could be that he just loves fighting. Similar to that situation, he also could have used Eternal's power to disable the non-T2 Gaia Memories before Double could even fight them. He seems to be also amused when the people in Futo started fighting among themselves after he promised a reward to whoever will find it.

• This is kind of a dumb gripe for such a short scene, but how the hell did Eiji manage to get that far up Futo Tower at that point in the movie? Wouldn't one of the NEVER members get suspicious and try to attack him? Obfuscating Stupidity only goes so far...
  • You forgot that nearly all the NEVER agents save for Daido and Izumi are dead, so he could slip by easily.
  • Either that or he actually fought his way up. Could explain why the medal rolled onto where Luna and Dobule were, he was making an entrance.

• Why didn't Terui use the T2 Accel Memory the group had when Eternal nulled his original Accel Memory?
  • Maybe he's not compatible with it
  • Or maybe it didn't work with his Driver.
  • If my memory is correct, they lost all their T2 Memories pretty much right after Eternal beat them.

• In one of the Net Movies, Akiko is asked who would win in a fight between Kamen Rider Joker and Kamen Rider CycloneJoker, the correct answer turns out to be neither since there is only one Shotaro and thus they could never fight. This series crossed over with Decade, who has the ability to transform into other Kamen Riders, and travels the multiverse. That's two ways for such a fight to occur right there.
  • Not to mention that there was a Dopant capable of mimicking Kamen Riders perfectly.
    • You're taking the Net Movies seriously?

• Why did Isaka put a rare rose at the Terui's house? Was it to throw off any investigation?
  • Isaka is crazy.

• From Movie Wars Core. Due to Spider Dopant's ability, Sokichi can never physically touch anyone he's emotionally devoted to, including family and friends. If he does, the Spider Bomb inside him will transfer to the person he touches, causing it to explode. It's hard to say that he has no emotions towards Shotaro (be it teacher-and-students or Nakama), but recalling Movie Wars 2010 he slapped Shotaro once (and probably did that before as well)......So what happens in between? It doesn't seem the curse left Sokichi until his death.
  • It was the one they were the most emotionally devoted to, which was Akiko. He really cared about Shotaro, but not to the point it triggered the spider like Akiko would've.
  • Also, Skull beat the Spider Dopant, so why is that, even though the Spider Memory was broken, it's effects (the Spider Bombs) still lingered in its victims?

• If Foundation X decided not to fund the NEVER project, then How come one of their own members is a NEVER himself?
  • Presumably, even though the Foundation decided not to fund the NEVER project any further, they were smart enough to keep copies of the notes, developments, and serum in case the project could be picked up again at a later date. It could be supposed that Kazu - min-maxer that he was - found said notes and cooked up a batch of the NEVER serum for himself.
  • The above theory is quite close to the truth, which was revealed in W Returns: Eternal. Foundation X kept information about the NEVER project, but didn't use it until Kazu was killed and his lackeys resurrected him with it.
• A minor one, but why Ryu (being a Chick Magnet) chooses Akiko over all other girls he met during the whole show? Not saying Akiko is a bad girl though, but still......(especially all those fandom backlash towards her personality)

• When the IceAge Dopant was rampaging and Ryu refered to a "W Memory" did it not occur to Phillip to consider thinking of "Weather" as opposed to "Winter" or "White"?

• Related to above, what made Phillip even consider "White" and linking it to ice-based powers?
  • There's a trope for that.