Special:Badtitle/NS90:User talk:DocColress/No more Metal Gear jokes, just more examples/reply (18)

I've been thinking back about the Pokémon Colosseum games, and I actually have a few things to ask you.

1. I'm thinking that Ein should be the only keeper for the first game, at least as far as the main page is concerned. I have no problem with Nascour or Evice staying on the YMMV page, but as far as the main page goes, I'm having a harder time justifying them keeping their spots. I mean, we see for ourselves the effect Ein's work has had on the Shadow Pokémon themselves as well as his research notes and desire to make the process perfect... but what do Ein and Nascour do? A whole load of nothing, at least as far as evil deeds go. Sure, they're complicit in the whole process and are unrepentably evil, but neither of them really does anything truly unforgivable. At the very least I think Evice could stay, but since he was the one truly behind everything (At least before Greevil took charge in XD) and Nascour was pretty much relaying his orders, Nascour should probably be on the game's YMMV page.

2. I honestly think Ardos counts by this wiki's standards if Evice and Nascour are keepers. Sure, his father and brother were redeemable, but that's because Eldes from the start wasn't exactly evil so much as a bit too dedicated to his father and Greevil seemed to realize how wrong he was in the end. I'd say the grounds of Ardos being potentially redeemable are faulty since unlike his family, he's completely unrepentant about the whole Shadow Pokémon process and quite clearly wants to rebuild Cipher (Damn it Nintendo, where's our third Shadow Pokémon game?! I swear, I never imagined the day where freaking Pokémon Trozei would get a sequel but not the Gamecube games...) and was even very okay with the thought of killing everyone on the island as long as Michael died as well. And notably, Snattle, Gorrigan, and even Lovrina of all people make peace with Michael in the post-game, if memory serves Ardos sends you a death threat or at the very least a warning that you're on his shit-list. I hope I don't sound confrontational, I just think that if we're keeping Nascour and Evice, Ardos should count as well.