Special:Badtitle/NS90:User talk:DocColress/No more Metal Gear jokes, just more examples/reply (8)

It was basically people going back and forth about how Redd was not a monster because him murdering Mia and framing Phoenix was justified because he didn't want to be arrested, and other people saying he was one because he wouldn't have to murder Mia and frame Phoenix if he hadn't been up to his eyeballs in awful activities, and saying that him knowingly sending an innocent man likely to his death if he got a guilty verdict was still CM material. I'm going to have to edit it later.

And oh yeah, Villains Wiki's handling of the trope is AWFUL. What I think is worse is that freaking OROCHIMARU has been cut from it, and is a mandated cut there. I really wish I was kidding. Mainly, it's because they say that he has redeeming qualities and actually went as far as to use NON CANON material to disqualify him. Just... just look at his talk page, it's beyond stupid.