Special:Badtitle/NS90:Talk:Complete Monster/Pokémon/Non-Examples that should NOT be added.


 * Giovanni - He does nothing beyond standard villainy in the original games, and was more neglectful towards Silver than he was abusive in HGSS. He also showed sympathetic qualities after being defeated at Viridian Gym and in HGSS, and seems to have cleaned up his act as of Black 2 and White 2 at the World Tournament.


 * Anyone from Team Rocket - Insufficiently heinous. While killing Pokemon is nasty, it's entirely off-screen, with only one ghost of one such murdered Pokemon ever appearing.


 * Anyone from Neo Team Rocket - Same with the above. They don't hit any kind of heinous standard - their biggest Pokemon abuse is cutting off tails of Pokemon that can regrow them anyway.


 * Archie or Maxie - Both men were Well Intentioned Extremists who meant to help the environment with their plans (Well, we assume Archie does, though it's hard to see the benefits that come from expanding the sea in a region surrounded by sea), both display positive and redeeming features, the horrific consequences of their actions was completely unintended by them, and they repent after things got out of hand. They're flat out said to not be evil. In Alpha Sapphire, Archie counts even less due to his goal making more sense since he wants to expand the seas so aquatic Pokémon can have more places to live, and is a pretty pleasant guy once you get past the whole dangerous eco-terrorist thing. Similar deal with Maxie in Omega Ruby, in which he's a humanitarian who, despite his moody exterior, desires to help other people and give them better space to live through expansion of land. And given that they own not just a Crobat, but a Sharpedo and a Camerupt respectively that are capable of Mega Evolution, they share a bond with their Pokémon.


 * Matt or Courtney (ORAS): Despite that each one was willing to commit a horrific deed that would lead to omnicide in the Delta Episode, they do it for the sake of helping either Archie or Maxie respectively realize their former goals, and are redeemed at the end.


 * Zinnia: Say what you will about her and her reasoning behind her actions, but she is probably the least evil of any mainstream Pokémon antagonists as she ultimately still wanted to save the earth, just in her own way and didn't know that Rayquaza wouldn't obey her. She also very clearly loves Aster, likes the player character a lot, and recognizes her mistakes in the end.


 * Cyrus - Does some very nasty things in the name of a truly horrifying goal, but he truly believes that he's making what he perceives as a perfect reality in a perfect new universe, thus having altruistic qualities, and has an arguably solid Freudian Excuse for his psychology. He's also shown in a positive way at times, not feared and hated by too many, and was written as redeemable in other media, meaning that he's meant to come across as potentially redeemable despite not repenting in the games' story. He also has a Crobat, which means that he's have treated his Golbat well.


 * Charon - He's a total scumbag who has the potential to be a Complete Monster but lacks the capacity, and thus is far from reaching the heinous standard with the resources he has at his disposal: not even close. The only media in which he qualifies is the Diamond And Pearl Adventures manga.


 * Anyone else from Team Galactic - They're all Well Intentioned Extremists with their own reasons to be doing evil, thinking it's for a greater good.


 * Colress - He's not evil so much as he is completely morally bankrupt, he shows positive qualities, fails the heinous standard set by Ghetsis, and is ultimately redeemable.


 * Anyone else from Team Plasma - Even the straight-up assholes who seek world domination are ultimately pawns to a much greater monster, Ghetsis.


 * Lysandre - Aside from being genuinely mentally ill, he used to be a humanitarian who made positive contributions to the world, and is only trying to annihilate most life on Earth due to coming to view people as ugly and flawed creatures who waste valuable resources, and is also saddened to the point of tears that Pokemon will have to meet the same fate. Other characters don't fear or hate him, particularly Sycamore, who saw him as a friend, and like Cyrus, is potentially redeemable despite not reforming in the games' story. He also is close to his Gyarados, as he is capable of Mega Evolution.


 * Xerosic - It was pretty nasty of him to putting the player in a no-win situation with activating the Ultimate Weapon, but he doesn't do much beyond that. Like Colress, he's not evil so much as he is amoral, and in the post-game Looker sidequest, he shows altruistic qualities in his Pet the Dog moments with Morality Pet Emma (who, despite being coaxed into it, was a voluntary part of his expansion suit tests.) He also has a Crobat, which means that he's have treated his Golbat well.


 * Anyone else from Team Flare - They're all shown as being more crazy than truly evil, and their heinous level varies depending on which version you're playing.


 * Miror B, Dakim, or Lady Venus - Miror B. comes nowhere CLOSE to this trope, being an insufficiently heinous Cloudcuckoolander. As for Dakim and Venus, they don't really go beyond standard villainy despite being complicit in Nascaur and Ein's schemes. Dakim's a bullying Jerkass while Venus is so weak willed, she voluntarily calls it quits after your second battle with her.


 * Lovrina, Snattle, Gorigan, and Ardos - Lovrina may be continuing and perfecting Ein's research, but the post-game reveals that she does take a liking to Michael and gives him a fan club invite, which disqualifies her for not lacking positive qualities, having a club of people who clearly don't hate her, and being redeemable. Snattle doesn't really reach the heinous standard past his first action and also makes peace with Michael in the post-game, and Gorigon couldn't be any further from this trope, even flat-out befriending Michael in the post-game! Ardos could arguably qualify if the series went on, but his worst act in his game (advocating blowing up the island with the Cipher staff and young hero Michael still on it) seemed to be out of desperation. Also, if his father and brother are redeemable, then the standards are set so that he's potentially redeemable as well.


 * Greevil - Despite being the founder and leader of a truly heinous syndicate, he sees the error of his ways and voluntarily goes to prison for it. He also loves his sons.


 * Anyone else from Cipher - Groups in general cannot qualify no matter how heinous their actions are. Some members could still be theoretically okay or redeemable people.


 * Gordor - His terribleness was NOT played seriously at all times, and he's insufficiently heinous, pitiful and ultimately redeemable.


 * Blake Hall - While his plan was terrible, he shows altruistic qualities, has a Freudian Excuse, and repents upon having a Heel Realization.


 * Mr. Kincaid - A Comedic Sociopath who doesn't really come close to scratching the heinous standard, even compared to Blake Hall.


 * Societea - None of the members qualify. Even Edward, who commits a truly horrible action, is a doctor who's healed people in the past, so he has redeeming qualities. All fail to match up to Purple Eyes.


 * Any Pokemon - If they're not Darkrai from Mystery Dungeon, than do NOT even think about it.