Special:Badtitle/NS90:User talk:NoxiousSludge/Seriously, do NOT...

...delete Ghetsis as a CM anywhere on this Wiki, especially without having consulted with me first. He got cut on TV Tropes, he got cut on Villain's Wiki, but I am NOT going to allow him to be cut from ATT - not when he hits off every criteria given by THIS WIKI'S definition of the trope. Please do remember that THIS. IS. NOT. TV TROPES. We do NOT need to define the trope by their standards, by a baseline heinousness of ACTIONS - that just makes it Moral Event Horizon in character form rather than an actual character trope. The page states clearly "This trope isn't just about what the character does, but about what the character is. Their monstrous characters are reflected in their heinous deeds, which is what puts them a cut above the regular villains. And whatever their position, a Complete Monster has to go the full mile and meet all criteria: they are the worst they can possibly be in their role, in the space and scale they occupy." That's why Ghetsis still counts.

Is Ghetsis heinous by both the standards of his installment's story and the franchise as a whole? I'd say yes. Is he ever truly presented in any positive way? No he's not. Is his terribleness played seriously in spite of the usual light tone? Yes. Do other characters show fear, hate, and revulsion of him? Yes they do. Does he have a good Freudian Excuse? He has none whatsoever. Is he devoid of positive features and altruistic qualities? Yes. Does he have no regret for his crimes? Yes. Is he redeemed or has the possibility of redemption? Both games suggest he's irredeemable. And are the results of his offscreen villainy clear? I'd say very much so. That's it: that's every single detail of THIS WIKI's criteria for passing the trope, and Ghetsis hits them all. He qualifies as a Complete Monster, period.

If we're to cut Ghetsis, then I'm going to cut The Joker and other criminal villains like him from the DC comics section because they share a universe with the likes of Darkseid, Brainiac, the Anti Monitor, Superboy Prime, Lord Aratsu, Trigon, Promethues, and several others who've committed more widespread heinous atrocities.