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This is a list of Wild Mass Guesses which are still possibly true. Just for Fun and silly guesses go on the silly page. If a WMG is Jossed, please move it to the jossed page, if it is Confirmed, please move it to the confirmed page.

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Someone's as good as dead in Mahou Senki Lyrical Nanoha Force
Chapter 0 ends with "[[Media:Nanoha-force-ominous-message-to-end-with.jpg|We'll be together. Forever and ever.]]" Tell me if that doesn't sound ominous. Fans of potential C-List Fodder, beware. *eyes Ginga*
 * Some of the main cast are just as likely of a target. I mean, a main character for four consecutive seasons that's also reaching the magical age of 25 and up with new cast all around, things may start looking pretty grim for them. Unless, of course, the general trend from Striker S continues as they were, then all of the new cast introduced that season are prime targets for Stuffed Into the Fridge
 * Actually, the main suspect in this troper's eyes right now is Lily Strosek, simply because she was referred as "Strosek-4th" in the very first chapter. MacGuffin Girls with "Four" in their names just don't tend to live long...
 * Not to mention her parallels with, in that . Given that is on the case  , she may have something to say about how familiar the situation seems.

Touma may not have killed all those people on World 18, but he and Lily are indirectly contributing to the problem
At this point, Teana and the other investigators seem to be poised to identify Touma as the one responsible for burning down the village, while Touma is currently oblivious to the problems. The truth will most likely not be so simple, and it may be that Lily's very existence is causing the existence of the other Divider(s) and book(s) (similar to Ix serving as the source of the Mariage against her will). Touma, after learning about this, would be forced to decide whether to continue protecting Lily, and may choose to protect her despite the consequences or Take a Third Option. This would be an interesting way of exploring what it's like to be one of the Anti Villains like the Wolkenritter or Fate who do what they do without knowing that it's wrong or that it may not get them what they want, and this may result in the viewer and Touma not learning the truth until a while after the TSAB learns about it.

Wolfram has an all-female crew
Wolfram is the Cool Starship under Hayate's command in Force. Keeping in mind how the last organization Hayate commanded quickly became known as "Hayate's Lesbian Army", which gives us a clear idea of her preferences in subordinates, it's only logical to assume that she has since moved on to "Hayate's Lesbian Battleships"... Plus, the official series designation of Wolfram is "LS-class warship".
 * It could be worse... the designation could be "GL-class" :P
 * Wait 'til the Mid Season Upgrade. ;)

The Huckebein aren't the true villains of Force
Instead, there is a fourth faction besides the Huckebein, TSAB, and Tohma's party, and they are the ones responsible for. This group would be the ones that the Huckebein are going after, and that's why the Huckebein were present after both events. They came and killed the true perpetrators in a way that doesn't leave behind evidence, similar to how typical Magical Girl type heroes kill the Monster of the Week
 * Curiously enough, Veyron doesn't admit to, which could indicate there's more to his story than Touma thinks, and he may be too obvious of a culprit.

Touma was intended as an alternative perspective to the Nanoha series- that of the villains.
While most of the Nanoha antagonists (with the exception of Precia, Scaglieti, the top four Numbers, Toredia, and most likely Huckebein) are portrayed as having sympathetic motives, the viewers are initially led to assume they are doing things for entirely bad reasons and the TSAB is always right to hunt them down and capture them. In this series, the TSAB agent closest to Touma, Signum, is shown to be entirely ignorant of why he is fleeing with Lily and willing to capture him regardless of what his intentions are, while Touma wants to contact, who knows him and his predicament, to find out what to do next. While this would indicate that the TSAB is portrayed less sympathetically than before, Touma clearly seems to place saving Lily above all else, and given he. His approach could be the "well-meaning but flawed" one like the Wolkenritter's plan to fill the Book of Darkness, while Nanoha and the TSAB's approach is once again best, but given the way the story is centered around him, it seems to show how the conflict appears to someone in his situation.

Force will contain a Call Back to the Book of Darkness/Night Sky and Rein Eins.
As You Know, in StrikerS  is a product of Project F, the same one that birthed , and Jail makes use of this in a Hannibal Lecture. If the pattern is to be followed, something else that was important to the second season but not brought up in the third will be referenced. Maybe Huckebein will unseal the Book, bringing back both Rein and the defence programme? I wonder if we can have The Battle of Aces plot elements with Force-level Materials -L, -S and -D? I eagerly await Force!Material-S's responding to the Strike Cannon with here's my Sunday best!

... Or it could just be something about the Wolkenritter in Old Belka.

The Lost Technology contested by the Bureau and Huckebein are of Al-Hazard origin, or at least inspired by them.
Unlike the Knights of Belka, which uses cartridge-enhanced weapons, the elite combat mages of Al-Hazard uses the Reactor-Divider system instead.

There will be a good character named Peter Beagle or nicknamed Pops/Raven in Force.
As You Know, the (apparent?) antagonists of Force are "of Huckebein". If the writers want to keep up the Ace Combat jokes, well, Unsung War and Belkan War revealed that. Maybe he will turn out to have left them because he disagreed with their methods. If they want to throw in Guilty Gear Shout Outs too, maybe he could be the original founder of Huckebein, but now seeks to bring it down for going astray, and also turn out to be an extremely powerful Retired Badass Badass Grandpa who can teach Hayate a thing or two about control and speed.
 * Statistically, Hückebein is much more likely to be yet anouther Shout-Out to the Super Robot Wars mecha, though.
 * Alternatively, just as Huckebein from AC was a Defector From Decadence fleeing the evil Belkans, maybe the Nanoha Huckebein guys are renegades who once served a force of good and when everything is on the ropes for the TSAB, their former comrades will act as The Cavalry for Nanoha and co.

Cyborgs can kick Huckebein ass
The kanji for their Dividers are "Mage Killer". What better way to fight them than with non-magical Super Strength and Inherent Skills? There have already been hints that Subaru will show up - her Vibration Shatter could very well make mincemeat out of them.
 * Unlikely. Cyborgs still run on magic in Nanohaverse (because all Mid-Childan technology is magic-based, that's the Bureau's Obstructive Code of Conduct), and Huckebein's Eclipse is apparently a counter-technology that negates magic energy in all its forms. So it may be in fact more dangerous to cyborgs than purely organic beings. TSAB does have a counter-counter-technology in the testing: the AEC series (Strike Cannon, Sword Breaker), which probably converts mana to physical effects faster than Eclipse can negate it. However, cyborgs are still an obviously valuable asset, since at least four Nakajima sisters are already working for Hayate. PS: Subaru's IS is only effective against electronics. The Eclipse Drivers, as Cypha demonstrates, are made of something else entirely.
 * First, the Bureau bans Mass Weapons, not nonmagical technology. Second, even if they did ban nonmagical technology in general, the Combat Cyborgs were created by Jail do you really think he's going to care about what the law says?
 * The fact that Subaru was able to use her Combat Cyborg skills inside the Cradle completely disproves this. The Combat Cyborgs are not using magic as a powersource, and their enhanced abilities and I.S. are not at all magic-related, or Subaru would not have been able to function inside the Cradle, much less rescue Nanoha and Hayate. (Who had all their mage abilities disabled, even simple communications!)
 * The Cradle's AMF grew stronger the further in they progressed: they passed a group of mages led by Vita fighting Gadget Drones, who were fine. Deep inside, Subaru only used magic to punch through the wall and she charged that punch before actually entering the most densely AMFed area, the Throne Room. Plus, magic wasn't completely disabled even inside the Throne Room: Nanoha and Hayate still had their Barrier Jackets (which require mana upkeep, as A's demonstrated) on. It is feasible, however, that combat cyborgs are shielded against AMF (only logical, if we assume that magic is vital for them), which is how I understood Subaru's ability to survive inside the AMF. Likewise, the Devices, who are even more of a magitek construct than cyborgs, are probably shielded against AMF, since Rein felt pretty well (except that she couldn't gather up any mana).
 * Personally I find it very significant that Cypha says the Dividers specifically allow the Huckbein to neutralize the links between the mana particles in a spell, like a souped-up instant-AMF-on-contact effect; what about spells and magical objects that use unlinked mana, like Subaru's Duster Knuckle spell? The cyborgs could concievably be powered by unlinked mana and still be able to function under full AMF, and this would make them immune to the Huckbein's anti-magic abilities because there's no links for the Dividers to break either in their attacks or in their internal systems.

Caledfwlch Techniques reverse-engineered the Mana Conversion Affinity
...to create the Strike Cannon. Think about it: Strike Cannon is used to directly convert mana into physical effect such as blast impacts. MCA is used to spontaneously convert mana into other forms of energy (eletricity and heat are canon). Caledfwlch has probably managed to replicate that technologically. It may be farfetched, but the same argument means that all MCA-users (Fate, Signum, and Erio) may have an ace up their sleeve against Hückebein even without AEC equipment.
 * Probably jossed. Signum's fire conversion didn't make any difference in her fight with Cypha, so it's doubtful the new power-up is based on an ineffective ability.

Signum will be corrupted by the Eclipse
Because it would follow what happened to Lamia in OG Gaiden. This may result in her Barrier Jacket changing in appearance to resemble the Vysaga.
 * Then who's the candidate of Axel? That... uh... nun with bladed tonfa (What's her name again?)? Looks too insignificant to take Axel's place.
 * Schach, and neither she nor any of the other Saint Church characters have appeared in Force.

Agito will be reminded of her promise to
If Signum's injuries left her unable to join battle again, then maybe she had a little breakdown(or even an Heroic BSOD) an reminds Agito of their promise claiming that now she's unable to live up to Zest's ideals.
 * Technically, the wording was that Signum asked if she strayed off her present path like Regius had. It's less clear what Agito would do next if Signum were crippled but still remained honorable.
 * Not in Force, it seems, as Signum is back up and running again.

Isis is a Combat Cyborg
She has purple hair. And yellow eyes. Who else does this sound like?
 * Good catch. That explains why Aru considers her the most dangerous of the three, why she doesn't have a Device despite being an aerial mage (her gloves may be an Inherent Equipment), and why Thoma trusted her immediately (he is conditioned by Subaru to trust cyborg girls :D). The question remains on who built her: it couldn't have been Scaglietti, and no indication has been given that the Type Zero batch included more than two specimen. She is probably currently on the run from her creators (the Ancient Belkan Conspiracy?), probably.

Laevatein has the secret fourth form, its true Full Drive
I don't think it has even been established what Laevatein's Full Drive form is (except in the Battle of Aces, where Sturm Falke is used as the Full Drive Special Move), and both Schlangenform and Bogenform seem extremely powerful at different ranges. Now, if we look at Graf Eisen, it has four forms, of which Zerstörungform is easily the most powerful one that combines features of all others. Now, if we apply the same logic to Laevatein, then it should have a fourth form, too: a Giant Flaming Chainsaw Sword that extends and shoots multiple Sturm Falkens from its hilt. And the reason she has never used this form yet? There hasn't been an opponent challenging enough. But now Cypha is in for a naaasty surprise...

PS: Oh, and her AEC Equipment would be simply an upgrade module for Laevatein that converts mana directly into other forms of energy. She doesn't need much more than that.
 * With the introduction of Bardiche as a prototype for the 5th Generation Device system wich is stated to be only capable to be handled by strong mages with great mana control or a "mana conversion ability" such as lightning or "fire". It's almost implied that Laevatein maybe undergo this treatement, he gets almost destroyed and, by this point, it's pointless to simply restore it to his original state, So Yeah maybe he gets a real upgrade after all.

You can destroy a Huckebein with magic. You just need a lot.
You mustn't be afraid to dream a little bigger, darling. I was playing Team Fortress 2 the other day, using the Engineer, and a lines from his "Meet the Team" video came to me: "And if that don't work? Use more gun." That reminded me of this Neon Genesis Evangelion fic, And If That Don't Work?, where the "more gun" is From Russia With Nukes. That also made me think of Warhammer 40,000, where the Anti-Magic of Blanks can be No Selled by sufficiently strong daemons or psykers.

Where am I going with this? Diabolic Emission. Ragnarok. Blaster Mode Exceed Max Starlight Breaker. Arc-en-Ciel. Multiple Arc-en-Ciels. Of course, unless the Huckies somehow cause the crossing of the Godzilla Threshold, we might not see the Fantastic Nuclear Option in play.
 * Bad comparisons. Both AITDW and 40K have that option present in the source material (Ramiel and several other angels were killed without the use of an AT-Field in Eva), but the Hucks have been presented so far as being utterly immune to all forms of magic. This was the whole point of having Cypha laugh off a direct hit from Signum in Unison with Agito -- and if you recall Karyuu Issen, Unison Signum is close to Hayate's level of destructive power -- and as we've seen they can regenerate any damage they take. So it's possible they can be hurt by magic, but it is absolutely not cost-effective to bust out Blaster Mode just to give the Hucks a few bruises, and the Aces are just about the biggest guns the bureau has that are effective against man-sized targets.
 * And aided by the fact of the Huckebein Warship being a giant-sized Divider capable of totally negate a giant beam the size of a Starlight Breaker coming from the Wolfram's(Hayate's assigned Warship) main weapon called "Augusto" while the Huckebein are preparing lunch.
 * ... If Nanoha uses Starlight Breaker as an anti-personnel weapon then obviously you don't use a mere Starlight Breaker-scale weapon in space-naval combat. Comprehende, amigo? After all, If violence wasn't your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it. I will concede, though, that the Bureau may not think the situation dire enough.
 * There's a gaping hole halfway through the Saint's Cradle that would like a word with you, "amigo". Regardless, calling the Augusto a "Starlight Breaker-class" weapon is dubious at best, seeing how we never see what sort of damage it does to targets that aren't immune to magic. In all likelyhood it's a lot more potent than a "mere" SLB and the Hucks' ship didn't even twitch from a direct hit. There is still the Arc-en-Ciel but the bureau seems to have known about the Huckbein for a while now (hence the convenient availability of the AEC equipment) and if they didn't outfit the Wolfram with an Arc like they did for the Asura back in the Book of Darkness case, then it's probably because they don't think it will be effective. Either that or the heroes are trying to bring the Hucks in alive instead of atomizing them.
 * Eclipse could well confer an even higher level of magic resistance than the AMF on board the Cradle. I'll concede, though, that the Bureau might want them alive. Either way, it seems that we won't be getting anywhere here until an Arc-en-Ciel actually gets fired at them.

The Wolkenritter are actually getting weaker over the years
Think about it, in A's they start as nearly invulnerable war machines capable of withstand unholy amounts of punishment, on Striker S we receive a clear statement that their resurrection powers and Healing Factor are starting to weaken, that and their powerlevel is pretty much the same after the 10 year gap between A's and StrikerS (except for all the Unison thing that didn't make much difference anyway), fortunately they still are able to cope with the current situation, and Vita shows that she's still capable of fight even after being stabbed across the chest. Then came FORCE and we see the(supposedly) strongest of them being CurbStompped and fall uncounscicious after a simple impalement. They don't look so mighty now huh?
 * Only if you're suffering from massive Fan Dumb. First of all, Agito gives Signum access to firepower that's nearly on Hayate's level -- if also restricted by a shorter range -- without the use of her full drive (Imagine what this will look like after Agito powers it up). Second, what the hell is this nonsense about Signum being "supposedly" the strongest of the Wolks? Go back and reread the StrikerS manga epilogue and watch Signum take a Blaster 1-boosted Shooting Star Assault and a Divine Buster at point blank range and come out relatively unscathed. She's not just the strongest of the Wolkenritter, she's quite possibly the strongest fighter in the entire cast. It took a weapon specifically designed to kill mages to put her down, and two attacks -- she was x-slashed across the chest, then impaled -- that were meant to kill her and quite clearly went right through her barrier jacket only knocked her out. Now compare this to A's where she was challenged and fought on equal ground by a AAA-rank loli. Yeah, she's totally gotten weaker over the years, hasn't she?
 * Also, I think the destruction of Laevatein hit her with some kind of backlash, if only psychological, leaving her stunned for a moment. While I agree that the Wolkies are definitely more fragile now that they aren't powered up by the Tome of Eldritch Lore cum Eldritch Abomination, I see no reason to believe that their Power Levels are degrading over time.
 * At least that explain why she simply stay still waiting to be slashed after Laevatein's destruction, right when she shows to be quicker than Cypha at the beginning of the fight(from standing position to cut her cheek with Laevatein's Schlagenform in a fraction of a second, i think that's near Erio's level of quickness at best). Laevatein's fall still proves one point, when it's true that their Power Level don't weak over time it also neither grows, as magical creations i think they're have the exact same power always, they're strong at first, but they're unable to become stronger on their own(needing Hayate's support or Unison to do so), and apparently they are finally overhelmed by the flow of time on the other characters.
 * Power levels in this series don't work like Super Saiyans, mages don't constantly improve just by training all the time, and the villains don't follow the Sorting Algorithm of Evil, so there's very little chance of Signum and the Wolkenritter ever falling to Can't Catch Up. Nanoha's power level capped out around S+ during the timeskip, and all improvements after that point are accomplished by tech upgrades like the Blaster System or Fortress Mode. The only reason Signum can't keep up with the current bad guys is because her AEC equipment wasn't ready when she went to engage Cypha. Remember, Signum owned Cypha in the first half of chapter 7; if Cypha had been a normal mage, the fight would've been over as soon as Signum cut her arm off. The only thing Cypha has going for her is her regeneration and Anti-Magic hax, and the latter will cease to be a problem once Signum gets her tech upgrade.
 * You're forgeting Cypha's Made of Adamantium hability, i think it was one of the more descisive elements that lead to Signum's defeat, even whith her magic cancelled she's an outstanding swordswoman(as she demonstrates to Cypha at the beginning) but Laevatein suffer from the direct contact with Cypha's body and then finally cracks(i think "zero effect" has something to do with Laevatein's lack of endurance because the once mighty belkan sword proved in the past to be quite strong and durable, cutting other weapons or heavy armored foes with ease) leaving her master without a weapon right in front of an armed opponent with heavy armor piercing capabilities. Cypha is not only inmune to magic she's also inmune to "being cut", not really the best scenario for a magic swordswoman.
 * Yeah, no. If the Huckbein were immune to physical damage in addition to magical damage, they'd be completely unstoppable, and Signum draws blood from a cut across Cypha's face with no damage to Levatine whatsoever. The Hucks are obviously tougher than your average person, but Levantine's damage is far more likely to be a product of Signum trying to use a magic sword against a Mage Killer and then using a half-broken blade against Cypha after her Divider was powered up, not because Cypha is completely immune to physical damage. Otherwise, what would be the point of the AEC equipment?
 * You need to remeber that Cypha clearly states that bladed weapons are useless against a "reacted" Eclipse Driver, i agree that Laevatein's demise had something to do with the Anti-Magic thing, but also Signum and then Cypha clearly make note of the toughness of the latter's body before(fissuring Laevatein but maiming Cypha) and after(when Cypha block and destroys Laevatein with her own body without any physical damage ...or even Clothing Damage whatsoever) the mentioned "reacting", So far the AEC-Equipement is not perfected yet, but still none of them relies mainly on "slashing" attacks(save for Fate but she's justified by wielding an upgraded Bardiche with energy powered blades).
 * Dude, you are way too determined to come up with reasons why Signum is suffering Badass Decay. As usual. First of all you're wrong about none of the AEC weapons using solid blades, Nanoha's Fortess Mode has configurations for arm-mounted blades in both solid-state and energy forms, and IIRC the Strike Cannon comes with a solid-blade configuration for melee combat. Yeah, she's not relying on them as her primary weapons, but if they're completely useless against the Hucks then why put them in at all? Answer: they're not, because they're not magical blades. Second, why on Earth would a reacted state give the Huckbein protection against slashing damage but not piercing or blunt force trauma?
 * First of all, i'm more critic and less ranting by now. Back on topic, i say that AEC weapons don't rely MAINLY on blades, not that they don't include it, still the blades are not very effective(as Erio's Strike Cannon demonstrates while pitted against Deville's Axe on Chapter 9.5), if Nanoha's ones are more effective is yet to be seen(and for all instances Laevatein's even without magic is clearly a big metal sword that was pitted against other durable materials on various ocassions, only damaged for the first time after hitting something as hard as Cypha's body). As for the last thing about piercing/blunt force(showed by Veyron's bleeding after being Strike Cannon'd by Erio) i can think of any better than ..uhm... Less Powers as the Plot Demands perhaps?
 * Not effective against the dividers themselves, maybe. Go back to Touma's fight with Veyron in chapter 4, notice that Veyron is parrying Touma's bladed attacks with his own divider instead of his arm. I'm very much inclined to think that when Cypha said she was immune to blades, she was referring specifically to melee-type devices -- those being the only blades that see use in this series -- meaning that neither Belkan nor Mid-Childan magic will work on the Hucks, not that she has some additional resistance to physical damage that none of the other Hucks have for some bizarre reason.
 * I agree with most of that except for the fact that Veyron doesen't have a divider of his own(the one he uses is from someone else), because of that is logical to assume(but still debatable) that he dosen't even have a reactor, still their ridiculously powerfull Healing Factor(allowing them, or at least Cypha, to regenerate lost members in matter of seconds with no visible effort) made them to be very hard tu kill by using cutting weapons(i run with the theory that it's easier to regenerate a lost limb than "repair" a badly crushed or bruised one, with fissured bones and all the like).
 * That doesn't make any sense, though. First of all the Healing Factor would make them hard to kill with any kind of damage, not just cutting weapons specifically, which is probably why RF6 is willing to use potentially-lethal mass weapons on them. Second, the regeneration has to cost some kind of energy from whatever power supply the Hucks are pulling their abilities from. Third, where the heck did you get this "replacing limbs is cheaper than healing them" idea? By that logic, building a car from scratch should be cheaper than replacing a few broken parts on a damaged one. NOT!
 * Yeah, because replacing fragmented bones and torn muscles is just like replacing car parts, and it's clearly stated that the TSAB is struggling very hard to deal with thewse guys, even the new weapons are failed at doing significant damage(at least they let the wielder to actually be able to defend himself).
 * In the sense that healing a broken bone takes less energy than growing a completely new arm? Yes, actually, it's exactly like replacing car parts. And Cypha came right out and said that she doesn't have a flesh-and-bone body anymore anyway, which probably makes the description even more apt than I'd intended it to be. Also, Nanoha's usage of the Strike Cannon to blast through starship armor and Subaru nearly breaking Veyron's divider is proof enough that the new weapons are perfectly effective against the Hucks; if they're failing to do significant damage, it's because they've barely been used yet.
 * The "significant" damage you're talking about is a modest hole on a wall and it takes not only Nanoha's Striker Cannon but also Vita's War Hammer to actually acomplish that, oh, and the damage is start to regenerate quickly(Yes, the Huckebein's Warship also have the same ridiculous Healing Factor that Cypha posseses) i fail to see why that can be considered being "perfectly effective". I agree on Subaru's Sword Breaker tough(is the only AEC that don't suck thus far).
 * No, the significant damage I'm talking about is a hole in a layer of freaking starship armor, and the Cannon has enough oomph behind it to rock the ship even without Vita's assistance. The weapons are perfectly effective because they fulfill their intended roles; they are effective against the Huckbein (effective in the sense of "can hurt them", not "can reduce them to mincemeat just by being nearby" as you probably interpreted it) and allow a mage to fight an Eclipse Driver without getting WTFPWNED in one hit like Signum was. Any shortcomings they possess currently will be addressed with fine-tuning and upgrades over the course of the rest of the season. And in regards to the AECs "sucking", for all your talk of not ranting anymore you're very quick to dismiss them as weapons despite the fact that we've barely seen them used at all and they've been clearly indicated to be incomplete. I would strongly suggest that you keep your opinions to yourself until you have enough information to make an informed opinion, i.e. when we've seen the inevitable Full Drive equivalents and seen the AEC devices performing at their maximum capabilities. Then you'll be qualified to say whether they suck or not.
 * When it's true that there's not much information to say the AEC weapons suck there's also no evidence of their supposed "effectiveness", sure they usefull in keeping their wielder alive(sorta), but the fight aboard the Huckebein's Warship can barely be described as "even". If we talk about plot developement, this new upgrades are failed to made a big impact like their predecesors(if this are the writer's intentions i don't know), when the upgrades in A's can't defeat the Wolkenritter still shows to be capable of equal the grounds between their masters and such formidable foes. Same in Striker S when RF6 finally got serious and start to actually turn the tables on Jail's, before that the trope was masterfully avoided with the Wolkenritter that, despite having the exact same powerset as the last season, are perfectly capable of kick ass, i fail to get that atmosphere here in FORCE(probably with the Fortress Mode that finally can change but at the moment neither of the new, shinny, highly promoted weapons are able to do that). But, i agree with you that this is becoming too large, and we have distanced form the original topic that is about the Wolkenritter's credibility as warriors(i think Signum loss a good deal of credibility after this), from this point i only respond to commentaries related to the topic. If you want to state a point about something else, post a new WMG.
 * And that's if the story didn't end once she gets it, or if the author wants to give her one at all. Since this is Expying the events in SRW OG, there's always a chance that Cypha would bite the dust first before Signum gets hers.
 * If the story ends once Signum gets her AEC equipment, it'll be because Signum pulled a Big Damn Heroes Dynamic Entry and one-hit-KO'd the Big Bad and/or the entire Huckbein team. I've seen that "Signum = Lamia, Cypha = Juergen" train of logic used to explain why Signum is suffering Badass Decay, and I invite anyone who believes such rot to reread the last few lines of my first point up there; when you're done, consider the notion that Signum can even endure a curbstomp in a badass fashion. The Blazing General will suffer Badass Decay the same day Sanger Zonvolt does.
 * That may be true, but the mirroring of "Signum = Lamia, Cypha = Juergen" is in form of the fact that Juergen is killed mid-season, before Lamia returned. Perhaps it's a stretch to call 'The story ends when Signum gets her AEC equipment', but it's still possible that 'When Signum gets her AEC equipment, Cypha is already dead'. Nevertheless, it might be as in the author designed that maybe Cypha would get killed before Signum gets her sweet revenge.
 * I still give the benefit of the doubt because while it's true that Tsuzuki has taken the Signum/Lamia copypasta to dumb and ridiculous levels, it's also true that things are not going exactly like their original counterpart wich brings a little ray of hope, Lamia not only gets defeated, she's kidnapped, stripped naked, brainwashed and then shooted, the Humiliation Conga Signum is going throug looks much more lightly by comparission but we tend to forget that and are quickly prone to jump to conclusions and declare that thing will go exaclty like in SRW, even when the second and third elemnts of this even(the kidnapping and the brainwashing)are completely avoided(Signum and Agito are rescued by the good guys medic team and there are no signs of Eclipse contamination nor motives for the Huckebein to utilize Signum), so it's too soon to declare anything about Cypha's destiny or the resolution of her feud with the Blazing General.
 * The Eclipse contamination or using Signum for them is the job for the 'Duminuss' counterpart, and we have yet to see one. The Juergen counterpart (Cypha)'s job is just that: Put the Lamia counterpart (Signum) in humiliation and near death. But if it's not truly copypasta, then they probably skipped the Duminuss (because if they do, they'll need the Axel counterpart, Schach, to bail Signum out of corruption, and Schach thus far has been a bit too minor to do anything)
 * Exactly, that's the point, there so much elemnts differently executed to running up with the idea of a kidnapped Signum right now. Duminuss captures Lamia before the good guys can take her safely to their ship while Signum is already rescued and under medical treatement(also don't forget Agito which is a key element absent from the Lamia example). And also Lamia was pivotal to Duminuss and Juergen plans, so far nothing on the plot suggest any particular interest in Signum or Agito by part of the bad guys, she just happen to be in the way of Cypha's mission. Still the humiliation part can't be denied, Signum right now is in the low scale of the food chain, only time will tell if she's able to rise up on top again.
 * With the revelation that Vandine Corp. could've been an evil organization and was behind the Huckebeins, the president of the corp. may as well be the Duminuss counterpart and if he's been handing off faulty weapons, perhaps he did plan to corrupt Signum and Agito after all, by having Cypha trounce them and make them need an upgraded weapon... only for the weapon to corrupt them.

Veyron doesen't have a reactor.
At least currently, like someone on the previous WMG points, even when Cypha claims that once "reacted" they're essentially so tough that bladed weapons are useless against them, Veyron still uses his divider's blade to parry Tohma's own divider attacks and, on top of that, after being blasted by Erio's Strike Cannon(Ch. 9.5) he bleed notoriously, he don't posses a divider of his own(his current one is borrowed from an unknow character) and it don't adopt any new form since his battle with Tohma nor returns to a "standby form" after Tohma's Divide Zero(like Cypha's reacted one for example), that effectively makes him the underdog fighter among the Huckebein.
 * I wouldn't be so quick to make Veyron's parrying of Tohma's attacks a reason for claiming that he's that much weaker. Remember that The Law of Diminishing Defensive Effort has been averted before with Rein Eins still using barriers even though she can shrug off crap thrown at her perfectly fine without them. I will concede that I have no explanation for the bleeding, though.

Force's Darker and Edgier-ness will be cemented with a Back for the Dead.
A strong way of cementing the "this isn't the light stuff it used to be" feel would be to bring back one of the Demoted to Extra characters and kill him/her off.
 * I think that it was already cemented by bringing back one of the most awesome characters this franchise have and beat the tar out of her and left her near death.

Regius Gaiz wanted the Combat Cyborgs to fight the Huckebein.
The answer to defeating the Huckebein is to seperate yourself from magic use for both defense and offense and focus on purely physical effects. The latter is easy; mass weapons. It is clearly within the Bureau's technological wherewithal to create a sufficently powerful missile or railgun to turn a Huckebein's head to vapor. The former is the Combat Cyborgs. An Artifical Mage is a simple trick of genetic engineering, while a Combat Cyborg requires genetics knowledge and a whole lot of computer, electronics, and materials science too, plus more raw materials. If Regius Gaiz simply wanted to increase the number of high-ranked mages available to Ground Forces, Artificial Mage technology and a legion of Erios and Fates was a much cheaper way of going about it. But Regius supported Jail's Combat Cyborg research instead. He thought he would need troops that could stand up to punishment like a mage, in an environment where a mage's Barrier Jacket would not protect them.
 * You are forgetting that as of Force chapter 10, it is established that Combat Cyborgs (Subaru) are just as vulnerable against Eclipse effects as purely organic mages.
 * To be fair Subaru succumbs to Tohma's Divide Zero, an ability that apparently neither of the Huckebein posesses and that is much more dangerous than the Huckebein's anti-magic capabilities(they also are affected by Dvide Zero much to their own surprise), also, if the theory about Isis being a cyborg results true, then cyborgs can stand against an Eclipse Driver not named Tohma(As of Ch. 11 preview all indicates that Isis will face Arnage, considering that she's a new character i really doubt that this will end in another Curb Stomp Battle), also the information Regius have probably was inaccurately(like the info Signum had before facing Cypha). So, efective or not, it's plausible that they developed cyborgs with the Huckebein in mind.
 * Earlier in chapter 9 (I think), Subaru faces Veyron and is not much more effective against him than other members of the strike team against their respective opponents. And that's considering that she already has her AEC equipment on her.
 * That only counts if Subaru is fighting in Cyborg mode, we know that if she fights as a mage she's bound to the same handicaps as them, but we likely can't confirm this because we can't see if her eyes are golden or normal(i'm inclined to think she isn't because the cyborgs "circuit circle" and/or the "IS" patern around her attacks are nowhere to be seen). Still i don't think Arnage consider Isis dangerous only because of her amazing powder powers.

Sending the Wolkenritter against the Huckebein was the worst possible thing that could have been done.
They're made of condensed magic, just like Reinforce was. These are people who wield weapons capable of canceling magic with ease. Hayate, you lunatic, why didn't you think about what you were doing?!
 * Hayate never sent Wolkies against the Huckebein (in fact, she keeps Vita at long range fire support and Shamal, inside Wolfram). Signum was never supposed to even meet them before her AEC equipment was ready, she just was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
 * Well yeah, they're made of magic but apparently they're more condensed than simple spells or Jackets, reacted Dividers cancel magic by cutting the links that allow the spell to take form and effect that's why any magical attack or barrier is useless against them, but i don't think that functions the same for magical living beings(specially if said beings are able to cast their own magic) if that were the truth, Signum and Agito would be erased of existence instead of sustaining critical injuries.
 * Even attaching them to the task force meant to the fight the Huckebein seems silly, though, considering what happened to Signum. Especially when Wolkenritter are accustomed to otherwise absorbing a killing blow as if nothing had happened. (Witness Vita aboard the Cradle.) Even arming the Wolkenritter with AEC weapons is dangerous; if you give them the tools to fight Huckebein, somebody's going to be tempted to use them to fight Huckebein. If the Wolkenritter are really as vulnerable as it appears from what happened to Signum then risking them is at best negligent. They are extremely powerful, capable mages, some of the best the Bureau has, and preserving them to fight other threats later would seem the wiser course of action.
 * So, wait, in your view the Wolkies will just let themselves be hit, thinking they'll survive it? That makes the trained warriors sound pretty damn incompetent.
 * And what the Wolkies themselves want is not an issue at all? Remember, they have sworn to protect Hayate as far back as A's, and that's not an oath you can break without compomising your very self. In one way or another, they had to be at her side during a crisis this big, and it's better to have them armed for this occasion. More than anything, what happened to Signum shows the dangers of splitting the team (in more ways than one).
 * Exactly, they definetly not the kind of people who retreats when they have something important to do, also i think Signum's demise is supossed to indicate the fate that awaits for ANY mage that attempts to confront(without the new toys) the Huckebein, not just the Wolkenritter. Also we must admit that despite all the claims over the matter, Signum put up a hell of a fight to an otherwise invincible opponent.
 * They've been deployed separately from Hayate before. Striker S did it quite a lot and the preceding manga actually had the Wolkenritter as part of different units from Hayate. For that matter, their personal feelings are irrelevant. Duty first is the air the Wolkenritter breathe and how they got through life before Hayate. The would have sworn an oath of service like any other Bureau member. If they're ordered, particularly by Hayate, not to do something, then they will not do it.
 * Let's just that we have different character interpretations. When the Wolkies were deployed separately, Hayate was never in particular danger. Now, the Hucks are a danger to every mage in the multiverse, so naturally, they want to be by her side. And as for their oath... I think your misunderstand something: they are with TSAB because Hayate is. It is true that they wanted to repent for their crimes after A's (see SS03), but their first and foremost desire is to spend the rest of their lives with Hayate (see StrikerS episode 18, I think, where her conversation with Shamal reveals that they are not longer immortal). Oh, and by the way, they also kinda have a record of ignoring Hayate's direct orders if they think it will save her life.
 * Arf mentions in the Striker S manga and Sound Stage M2 that, apparently at Fate's suggestion, she retired from active duty and now does chores around the Harlaown house while looking after Chrono and Amy's kids (and apparently also has spent a fair amount of time around Erio and Caro), saying that Fate is strong enough to protect herself and is no longer alone. Similarly, while Hayate's magic is such that she's almost useless in single combat and only reaches her full potential in a group, her subordinates can provide support, which is why she can serve separate from the Wolkenritter if necessary, calling them together for major threats like Scaglietti and the Huckebein.

Erio is secretly the best card of Section Six in FORCE.
By Vi Vid he's able to outclass Fate on both speed and skill(by catching up with her Sonic Form all by himself and nearly taking her down without breaking a sweat). Only God knows how much awesome the guy has become two years after, probably him receiving a Strike Cannon is an excuse to not let himself cut loose on the Huckebein at Mach 5.
 * After Fate had a power limiter put on herself, and was fighting 2-on-1, I should note. The Hucks have no such handicap.
 * It's noted that the power limiter is given out to the "adults", which is a somewhat vague term (it's unclear whether it includes just Nanoha and Fate, or the Forwards, Lutecia and Nove), but it could be of different strength, as while Nanoha and Fate's limiters reduce them two ranks in Striker S, Hayate's takes her down by four.
 * Potentially Jossed, at least so far; . Subaru seems poised to be the "best card," at least as far as dealing with Touma goes.

Cypha is the second-weakest Huckebein, after Veyron.
Think back to her fight with Signum. She wasn't fast enough to lay a hand on her, and in fact was taken completely by surprise at her speed on two separate occasions. The one hit that decided the duel was obtained through surprise. In the brief boarding battle, she showed no signs of being a particularly difficult opponent for Fate, indicating her bark is a bit worse than her bite.
 * This will be probably jossed soon(and i hope for it), when it's true that Cypha didn't demonstrate to be able to keep on par with Signum's skill before reacting, she also proves how dangerous her Eclipse powers are, her profile also states that she's a founder member of the group and also an Ace, wich she demonstrates by apparently having a higher chain in command than Arnage ans leading the welcome team(Veyron and Deville) during said boarding battle, she apparently is the kind of villain that enjoys torturing his foes, so probably she was measuring Fate's capabilities until Tohma interrupts her(and everyone), she doesen't look specially worried while fighting Fate(wich is demonstrated by contrast with her reaction to Tohma's attack wich is much more surprised and dramatic). As much as i hate her, it will be a shame if she results to be a weak opponent(just adding more hulliation to Signum's defeat).
 * As much as I hoped it won't happen, it can happen to further the similarity with Lamia. Cypha being a weaker member of the Huckebein would be mirroring how Juergen was basically a nobody-class villain who got lucky shot in humiliating Lamia.
 * It's still soon to determine that, while it's true Signum's situation mirror Lamia's somewhat, the similarities ends in both being defeated by a newcomer. Again as much as i hate Cypha i must admit that she fight a one-on-one battle(with an unfair advantage but is still one on one) while Juergen just take Lamia by surprise(still the situation is metaphorically the same, Lamia was out of her mecha while Signum have her powers nullified and her weapon rendered useless by Cypha's Game Breaker powers), Still Cypha is able to hold an upgraded Fate with ease during the ship assault and the battle is short lived thanks to Tohma, unlike Juergen who gets offed quite easily right on his next fight. We still didn't see her fight a fair battle yet(that is, against an opponent whose powers she can't negate, thus needing to truly use her combat skills), when that happens we're finally going to see if her bite is as strong as her bark.
 * Well, to be honest, Juergen did put up quite the massive fight against the EFA, if comparisons are to be taken how Cypha held off an upgraded Fate... We're just probably waiting for the 'Duminuss' of Force to show its head and then off Cypha and maybe the rest of the Huckebeins (or, failing that, one of the Huckebeins stabbed her in the back, killing her)

Caledfwlch Techniques or someone within the company is the true villain of Force
Think back to the first few chapters, back when Touma first met Lily and the whole mess with the Huckbein got started. Remember the scientist guys, the guards armed with assault rifles, and most importantly the head scientist's line "Such a thing is what we were about to create" (referring to Touma's reaction with Lily)? Call me crazy, but I think those guys were deliberately trying to create an Eclipse Driver.

Now why on Earth would anyone want to create an absurdly powerful living weapon that's immune to magic and needs to kill to live? Well for starters, if the Eclipse virus is able to spread beyond the handful of individuals currently infected with it, the bureau could be facing an epidemic of super-powered mass murderers that their magic is useless against. In such a situation, there would be a sudden and immense demand for mass weapons capable of hurting an Eclipse Driver. And isn't it a curious coincidence that Caledfwlch Techniques just so happens to have a line of magic-driven weapons armed and ready for testing just in time for the bureau's hunt for the Book of the Silver Cross?
 * Caledfwlch are obviously the Front Organization for the Belkan Conspiracy (see above).
 * Calling it now. Caledfwlch Techniques ARE the Duminuss answer to Huckebein's ODE.
 * Suspicion confirmed in-story in chapter 17.

Karen of Huckebein is Isis' big sister
I mean, have you seen how alike they look? Just compare Isis' introductory shot and Karen's.

Fortis is The Starscream
Come on, look at him and tell me he's not a sketchy motherfucker. The fact that Karen seems to leave often would be useful for him if this was the case, too.

Veyron is to Karen as Lily is to Touma
They didn't say anything about these Human Reactors all needing to be girls, did they?
 * Except that Fortis says that they need to find Veyron's Divider soon and Reactors are not supposed to have Dividers, logically. Unless... Karen deliberately didn't tell him of Veyron's true nature, knowing that he is The Starscream! Which leads us to...

The Hucks are a Big Screwed-Up Family
See above.

The Huckebein are not intended to be the Wolkenritter's Evil counterparts, but their replacement instead
According to a theory recently commented. Given the not so subtle similarities between the two groups and the results of the direct confrontation between it's members(specially Hayate and Signum's battles) It's more or less stablished that the Huckebein is an improved version of the Wolkenritter on their debut(crueler and stronger). The amount of attention and screentime Tsuzuki is giving them, and the fact that they stablished their superiority by utterly trouncing mostly Yagami family members(effectively putting Signum on a bus for example), makes the sentsation that the plot ir riding of them on purpouse to cement their dethroning as a Badass Family at the hands of the Huckebein.

Subaru will Befriend Stella.
Stella is named for a make of Subaru car, after all.
 * Looking at Subaru's trend of being "the friend of all children" this seems to be plausible.
 * Teana is gonna be sooo happy about yet another loli rival.

Stella has an Older Alter Ego that will be one of the strongest fighters in the Huckebein.
Blonde loli who controls/powers a ship... Nope, doesn't ring a bell at all.

Curren is Veyron's reactor
Think about it a little. She never use a proper divider in battle, she seems to be very proficient with the Book she have and before her onscreen debut Veyron was the one who gives more hints about her existence. Coupled with the fact that Veyron use a borrowed Divider and he said he's ok with that there must be reasons for why things are like that.

Strosek the First will be used by (IS?!) The Man Behind the Man.
It makes too much sense for Lily to have to eventually fight her Super Prototype, who may be a Psycho Prototype too.

Signum is actually scared of Cypha
Think about it, she was very shocked when Laevateinn got destroyed, enough to let Cypha cross-slashing her, then she allowed herself getting impaled even when she's supposedly a determinated Blood Knight. But the real kicker came with her reaction upon recovering counciousness: She completely ignored what just happened and act without a bit of motivation in pursuing a rematch with an opponent strong enough to almost kill her. She instead becomes all smiles, a notorious change for someone who is cannonly described as someone who really enjoy battles. Considering how easily Cypha trounced her and how Signum described herself as being nothing more than an old fashioned knight, it's not strange for her to feel afraid of the Huckebein top swordswoman.
 * She probably recognized that if she even showed fear and regret about the loss, it would severely demoralize the whole team. She recognized the defeat, but she'll not let her emotions and fear get the best of her, so she's been hiding it. Or not, considering on how she instantly sparred with Tohma to get some idea on how to fight Mage Killer weapon. In other words, she might not ignore what just happened, but she'd rather not let the others know her worry or else it demoralizes the whole squad.
 * At least that can be interpreted as a confirmation of this WMG. Signum is pretty councsious she's at horrible disadvantage in front of Cypha and basically any fully reacted EC Driver. Her usual combat style that credited her as a Lightning Bruiser got totally destroyed by the new rules of the setting, she can fight but isn't able to deal lasting damage to a Huckebein and she can't stand even one hit from almost any of them, her trusty companion is repaired but hasn't received any upgrades so she more likely will receive a totally different AEC-weapon that she's not used to fight with(and if we go by the showed quality of blades on AEC-equips, i'll say it won't be as trusty as Laevatein xDU). Plus, she's fully councsious that she's now even weaker than when she confronted Cypha the first time, her body wasn't able to fully recover and is even implied that she may suffer permanent sequels because of that last impalement that go directly through her guts injuring her spine. Her fangs are broke and she know it, that's why she's suddenly modest and calm. It could be very justified for her to feel afraid of the Eye-Patched monster that puts her on that situation.

Egret SS are secretly the shady sort of Private Military Contractors. Secretly enough that Isis doesn't know.
Does anyone honestly expect otherwise?
 * Goes hand in hand with the "Evil Mega Corp" theory about Caledwlch and Vandein.

Cypha wears an eye-patch for reasons different than a damaged/missing eye
Seeing at how high she thinks of her abilites and how much she enjoys having a good battle, she probably considered using the eye-patch to give herself a handicap and thus having more challenging fights(plus, it makes her look more menacing). Another theory is that the eye-patch have special features that enhace her sight or aid her in battle. There's even the possibility that the patch actually conceals a hidden weapon meant to be used on an emergency and Cypha is yet to face a truly dangerous opponent.

Signum never properly learned how to dodge
Only that could explain why she stays still in front of Cypha waiting to be cross-slashed. Signum had plenty of time to avoid cut-range while Cypha was giving her a small smug speech about desperation. Another evidence is how Signum always prefer to tank or parry instead of dodging. Possibly a bad habit acquired after centuries of being a Nigh Invulnerable super strong knight.

Curren's abilities are similar to UBW
She uses a katana(or a shorter version, possibly a wakizashi) to shank Hayate in the back and dispatch Vita and Erio before commenting that the blade was not as tough as the opponent's weapons after it breaks. later, we see her wielding a different kind of sword (a rapier) without any mention of why she prefers wielding different swords. Since she is one of the few members of Huckebein who's abilities have not been revealed, it can be guessed that her primary offensive ability is to create replicas of swords. It could also be theorized that she can replicate her allies' unreacted dividers if she so pleases.