Special:Badtitle/NS90:Talk:Complete Monster/Pokémon/Non-Examples that should NOT be added.


 * Giovanni - He does nothing beyond standard villainy in the original games, and was more neglectful towards Silver than he was abusive in HGSS. He also showed sympathetic qualities after being defeated at Viridian Gym and in HGSS, and seems to have cleaned up his act as of Black 2 and White 2 at the World Tournament.
 * Anyone from Team Rocket - Insufficiently heinous. While killing Pokemon is nasty, it's entirely off-screen, with only one ghost of one such murdered Pokemon ever appearing.
 * Anyone from Neo Team Rocket - Same with the above. They don't hit any kind of heinous standard - their biggest Pokemon abuse is cutting off tails of Pokemon that can regrow them anyway.
 * Archie or Maxie - Both men were Well-Intentioned Extremists who meant to help the environment with their plans (Well, we assume Archie does, though it's hard to see the benefits that come from expanding the sea in a region surrounded by sea), both display positive and redeeming features, the horrific consequences of their actions was completely unintended by them, and they repent after things got out of hand. They're flat out said to not be evil. In Alpha Sapphire, Archie counts even less due to his goal making more sense since he wants to expand the seas so aquatic Pokémon can have more places to live, and is a pretty pleasant guy once you get past the whole dangerous eco-terrorist thing. Similar deal with Maxie in Omega Ruby, in which he's a humanitarian who, despite his moody exterior, desires to help other people and give them better space to live through expansion of land. And given that they own not just a Crobat, but a Sharpedo and a Camerupt respectively that are capable of Mega Evolution, they share a bond with their Pokémon.
 * Matt or Courtney (ORAS) - Despite that each one was willing to commit a horrific deed that would lead to omnicide in the Delta Episode, they do it for the sake of helping either Archie or Maxie respectively realize their former goals, and are both redeemed.
 * Zinnia - Say what you will about her and her reasoning behind her actions, but she is probably the least evil of any mainstream Pokémon antagonists as she ultimately still wanted to save the earth, just in her own way and didn't know that Rayquaza wouldn't obey her. She also very clearly loves Aster, likes the player character a lot, and recognizes her mistakes in the end.
 * Cyrus - Does some very nasty things in the name of a truly horrifying goal, but he truly believes that he's making what he perceives as a perfect reality in a perfect new universe, thus having altruistic qualities, and has an arguably solid Freudian Excuse for his psychology. He's also shown in a positive way at times, not feared and hated by too many, and was written as redeemable in other media, meaning that he's meant to come across as potentially redeemable despite not repenting in the games' story. He also has a Crobat, which means that he's at least treated his Golbat well enough.
 * Charon - He's a total scumbag who has the potential to be a Complete Monster but lacks the capability, and thus is far from reaching the heinous standard with the resources he has at his disposal: not even close. The only media in which he qualifies is the Diamond And Pearl Adventures manga.
 * Anyone else from Team Galactic - They're mostly Well-Intentioned Extremists with their own reasons to be doing evil, thinking it's for a greater good, and the ones who aren't are simply standard punk delinquents.
 * Colress - He's not evil so much as he is completely morally bankrupt, he shows positive qualities, fails the heinous standard set by Ghetsis, and is ultimately redeemable.
 * Anyone else from Team Plasma - Even the straight-up assholes who seek world domination are ultimately pawns to a much greater monster, Ghetsis.
 * Lysandre - Aside from being genuinely mentally ill, he used to be a humanitarian who made positive contributions to the world, and is only trying to annihilate most life on Earth due to coming to view people as ugly and flawed creatures who waste valuable resources, and is also saddened to the point of tears that Pokemon will have to meet the same fate. Other characters don't fear or hate him, particularly Sycamore, who saw him as a friend, and like Cyrus, is potentially redeemable despite not reforming in the games' story. He also is close to his Gyarados, as he is capable of Mega Evolution.
 * Xerosic - It was pretty nasty of him to putting the player in a no-win situation with activating the Ultimate Weapon, but he doesn't do much beyond that. Like Colress, he's not evil so much as he is amoral, and in the post-game Looker sidequest, he shows altruistic qualities in his Pet the Dog moments with Morality Pet Emma (who, despite being coaxed into it, was a voluntary part of his expansion suit tests.) He also has a Crobat, which means that he's have treated his Golbat well.
 * Anyone else from Team Flare - They're all shown as being more crazy than truly evil, and their heinous level varies depending on which version you're playing.
 * Miror B, Dakim, or Lady Venus - Miror B. comes nowhere CLOSE to this trope, being an insufficiently heinous Cloudcuckoolander. As for Dakim and Venus, they don't really go beyond standard villainy despite being complicit in Nascaur and Ein's schemes. Dakim's a bullying Jerkass while Venus is so weak willed, she voluntarily calls it quits after your second battle with her.
 * Lovrina, Snattle, and Gorigan - Lovrina may be continuing and perfecting Ein's research, but the post-game reveals that she does take a liking to Michael and gives him a fan club invite, which disqualifies her for not lacking positive qualities, having a club of people who clearly don't hate her, and being redeemable. Snattle doesn't really reach the heinous standard past his first action and also makes peace with Michael in the post-game, and Gorigon couldn't be any further from this trope, even flat-out befriending Michael in the post-game!
 * Greevil and Ardos - Despite Greevil being the founder and leader of a truly heinous syndicate, he sees the error of his ways and voluntarily goes to prison for it. He also loves his sons. Ardos could have possibly qualified if the series went on, but as things stand he only has his game (advocating blowing up the island with the Cipher staff and young hero Michael still on it) and he's eclipsed in heinousness by his father.
 * Anyone else from Cipher - Groups in general cannot qualify no matter how heinous their actions are. Some members could still be theoretically okay or redeemable people.
 * Gordor - His terribleness was NOT played seriously at all times, and he's insufficiently heinous, pitiful and ultimately redeemable.
 * Blake Hall - While his plan was terrible, he shows altruistic qualities, has a Freudian Excuse, and repents upon having a Heel Realization.
 * Mr. Kincaid - A Laughably Evil Comedic Sociopath who is seldom taken seriously and doesn't do much to breach the heinous standard set by Blake Hall.
 * Societea - None of the members qualify. Even Edward, who commits a truly horrible action, is a doctor who's healed people in the past, so he has redeeming qualities. All fail to match up to Purple Eyes.
 * Giovanni (anime) - He was only bordering on the trope's territory in Mewtwo Returns. Otherwise, he's shown positive qualities, has an All There in the Manual Freudian Excuse in which he loved his mother, has genuine Pet the Dog moments with Persian and his agents (and in Operation Tempest where he spared the heroes and Meloetta after he got saved), his agents view him in a positive way, has shown regrets for how Operation Tempest turned out, and the possibility of redemption is as open to him here as it is in all other media. His old entry also referenced crimes he was responsible for in the games, which have no bearing on his anime incarnation.
 * Team Rocket Scientists - Dr. Namba was nowhere near heinous enough and was Played for Laughs in all other appearances, while Sebastian was barely characterized and also eclipsed in heinousness.
 * The Poacher Brothers - Were nonentities who dealt in completely standard villainy for poachers (kidnapping and shooting.)
 * Poacher Rico - Somewhat crueler and more heinous than the above poachers in terms of methods, actions, and the way he was viewed, but he fails to measure up to the likes of Hunter J in heinousness and was also a standard evil thug.
 * Mars (anime) - Some might claim she's one for her actions on Iron Island, but that was mostly standard villainy, with the worst of it being on Cyrus' orders. She also liked her boss and ended up with an Alas, Poor Villain fate.
 * Paul - As much as people may hate him, the narrative of the work itself doesn't even come close to depicting him as one. He's often put in a positive light despite his jerkish behavior and abusive tendencies, other characters in-story don't fear or hate him, he treats his brother, and eventually his Pokemon and opponents, well, and he's shown to be redeemable.
 * Damian - While not going back for Charmander after learning it'd die puts him over the Moral Event Horizon, that's still not nearly heinous enough by the work's standards to qualify him.
 * Shamus - Same as the above. He fails to stand out as heinous in a series that features Team Rocket and Team Plasma doing truly deplorable things.
 * Ghetsis (anime)- As mentioned on the page, he is noticeably less heinous than his video game or manga counterparts, being a mostly off-screen and barely characterized presence, being only a generically evil Jerkass when he's on-screen.
 * Lysandre (anime) - While he plans to destroy much of the Kalos region and endanger the lives of countless people and Pokemon that populate it, he believes it necessary for bringing about a better, more stable world, and he has some notable Pet the Dog moments such as not being too bad a boss. caring about Alain and Mairin, and treating his own Pokemon kindly.
 * Mewtwo - This one's nature as a Tragic Villain who changed his ways for the better should be obvious.
 * Lawrence III - Was not characterized as an evil man who brought harm to the world out of malice - merely an obsessive collector who didn't heed the inevitable consequences of his actions. Was also very civil to Ash and the rest.
 * Molly Hale - She was a lonely, sad child who was too absorbed in her fantasy to grasp the severity and possible finality of her actions, and she learned better and was forgiven in the end.
 * The Unown - They're Pokemon without moral comprehension who were acting to fulfill Molly's wishes so that in turn her imagination could lend them more power. By the time they went wild with power, it was beyond their control.
 * Annie And Oakley - Both girls engaged in standard criminal activity, were really only out to claim valuables rather than conquer or destroy anything, and they clearly care for one another. Oakley's worst actions were done when she was inside the secret machine, in which With Great Power Comes Great Insanity was in effect, and their role in Latios' death was indirect.
 * Butler - Like Archie and Maxie, the crisis he unleashed was unintended by him and he's remorseful about it. He also loves Dianne and that love allows him to redeem himself in the end.
 * Phantom - Never went beyond standard villainy and was often Played for Laughs.
 * Zero - His friendship with Newtwon Graceland was shown as genuine, and he seems to be reformed when we see him in prison.
 * Marcus - In the movie, he was primarily motivated by wanting to protect his home and ultimately repented for his mistakes.
 * Damon - He's a clear cut Anti-Villain who ends up regretting having gone too far and redeems himself in the end.
 * Kyurem - Is characterized as not being really good or evil, but possessing of a warrior's honor code that motivated his actions against Keldeo in the movie.
 * Red Genesect - A case similar to Mewtwo, albeit slightly more hateful and Ax Crazy in his actions and behavior.
 * Argus and Millis Steele - Clearly care about one another and by the end they seem to have given up their villainous ways.
 * Giovanni (Pokemon Special) - While thus far unrepentantly evil, he has notable noble qualities and sincerely loves his son even when they're on opposite sides, which is an easy disqualifier.
 * Lance (Pokemon Special) - Though he was a genocidal maniac whose rationale was rather flimsy, he started with good intentions out of empathy for Pokemon, and he's ultimately redeemed.
 * Archie (Pokemon Special) - He started off well meaning before being driven insane by the orb, was a pawn of Sird and Team Galactic as Guile Hideout, and got an Alas, Poor Villain death.
 * Maxie (Pokemon Special) - He also started off well meaning before being driven insane by the orb, and his worst action was setting an already dead corpse on fire.
 * Cyrus (Pokemon Special AND Diamond and Pearl Adventure) - He gets redeemed in both. Enough said.
 * Charon (Pokemon Special) - He fails to be as truly heinous as he could be, unlike his DPA counterpart.
 * N (Pokemon Special) - No. Way. His Establishing Character Moment has him crying over Pokemon being exploited by humans, and he showcased notable good traits and Pet the Dog behavior. Despite being a bigger Jerkass than in the games, his goals are firmly in Well Intentioned Extremist territory: he's less humane because his father literally brainwashed him against humanity, and of course, he repents and redeems himself in the end.
 * Any Pokemon - If they're not Darkrai from Mystery Dungeon, than do NOT even think about it.