Special:Badtitle/NS90:Talk:Complete Monster/Batman Arkham Series/Non-Examples who should NOT be added (3)

Killer Croc: He does appear to meet most of the criteria and is a rather unrepentant murderer, but there are two important things to remember regarding old Waylon Jones: one being that his genetic condition has wreaked havoc on his brain and has caused him to degrade into a more savage and bloodthirsty state of mind, so his moral agency is potentially questionable and it's not known how much of his attitude comes from being truly evil or due to being very mentally unstable. Second: he also has a very valid Freudian Excuse as he's been viewed as an abomination by pretty much everyone his whole life and has been treated horribly by those around him, from his abusive aunt to the staff at Arkham.

Harley Quinn: Yeah... no. She's a lot more violent here than in most incarnations, but she still truly loves the Joker and is shown to get along well with Poison Ivy, freeing her from captivity when she didn't need to. There's also the fact that the games themselves recognize her as being ultimately another victim of Jokers, just a very dangerous and mentally unstable one.

Calendar Man: He does come off as pretty creepy and shows no remorse for his many heinous crimes, but the problem with him is that they're all offscreen and we only know about them thanks to his stories where he reminisces on them.

The Riddler: Now to be fair, he does come close to this trope in Arkham City thanks to the fact that he not only has victims situated in sadistic death traps but also goes out of his way to trick you into dooming them, but he still has a pretty valid Freudian excuse and is still treated as more of an obnoxious joke when all is said and done. He still has one game coming that may let him qualify, but I doubt he'll meet the qualifications there.

Hush: While he does come off as especially vile due to the pleasure he took in his crimes (Murdering innocent people and surgically removing their faces) and the fact that he's doing all this to spite Bruce Wayne (he's trying to make himself look exactly like Bruce Wayne so he can soil his name for petty reasons), he just doesn't do enough so far to where he'd be justified as a monster. I could see him qualifying in Arkham Knight depending on if he's there (Which he could be due to his involvement with Scarecrow in the comics) and indulges in more heinous stuff. But for now, he just isn't a contender.