Special:Badtitle/NS90:User talk:DocColress/The Great Big Examples Suggestion Topic 3: Snake Eater/reply (19)

I guess so. XD Though it's not *quite* as ridiculous as the case with Ghetsis, since the reasoning for cutting him wasn't even that he showed anything resembling a redeeming feature. It was "Not heinous enough! Pokemon fans know nothing of true pure evil!" As far as Augustine goes, I made the comparison to Koba that I stick by. Granted, Koba was even worse than Augustine since he does everything out of blind hatred and rage rather than a genuine psychological delusion, but all the same, they both claim to be fighting in the name of protecting their own species when their actions towards them show otherwise. They're really only fighting for their own self interest and either don't care about those they hurt or flat out delight in hurting them.

That seems to be about it. More complex villains or monstrous villains of a less typical scale get a REAL hard time qualifying anymore. Light and Walt I can understand not passing since it might raise some issues with contributers and tropers, but others? Ghetsis was in line with all criteria needed for passing before the cleanup effort threw in all the bogus criteria about the exact nature of works' heinous standards and the "baseline" of heinousness. And FiM Tirek is easily the most heinous and irredeemable villain in the series to date, being the closest thing the series has to a sexual violator (the whole "sucking out magic" deal) as well as Satan. (Well, G1 Tirek was approved, so Dark Princess had something of a chance. But yeah, I was actually surprised, and satisfied, too.) I could see the points made about Hades (which is why I clarify that the character probably *isn't* a CM, but his role is of a CM - given the whole game plays out like the characters putting on a performance, it makes sense), but Ronan? The whole business of him having possibly loved his grandfather and father or cared about them on a personal level was beyond ridiculous. It was even worse than the deal with Hopper and his mother.

They confuse "tone" with "narrative" here. The narrative took Luthor seriously even in the Donner films, and the narrative of Superman Returns took him seriously enough to alter the tone of scenes where he had to get serious. Even at the end of the movie, while the tone was funny, his last scene was reinforcing that he had zero redeeming qualities. The "WROOOOOOOOONG!" part doesn't invalidate anything either, since it literally came after the "BILLIONS!" part.