Marvel vs. Capcom 3/YMMV

See also:
 * Awesome Music - Capcom vs. Whatever
 * Fridge Logic - Marvel vs. Capcom 3
 * Memetic Mutation - Capcom vs. Whatever


 * Accidental Innuendo: Spencer's "You don't know nothing about swinging!" line to Spider-Man, especially regarding the latter's astonishing number of love interests and his actions post-One More Day, as well as the mention of Spencer in "Harsher in Hindsight" below.
 * Americans Hate Tingle: A Tweet by one of the devs cited the targeting of overseas markets as the reason Breath of Fire is once again be absent from a Capcom crossover game. A bizarre reason, given Capcom crossovers have used far more obscure characters in the past. At least some of the Heroes x Heralds cards depict BoF characters, proving it hasn't gone unnoticed by them.
 * And the Fandom Rejoiced: To date, MvC3 has been producing a Biblical flood of these moments:
 * The announcement of the game.
 * Also the TGS 2010 trailer pretty much confirms the return of the "Wanna Take You for a Ride" song.
 * Pretty much any character announcement generally caused this.
 * The amount of references to Yipes' Memetic Mutation lines, from the "Mag-freakin-neto" and "Mango Sentinel" color schemes to Deadpool's winquote against Magneto, caused quite a few fans to cheer.
 * The soundtrack has abandoned the unpopular lounge jazz style of its predecessor and adopted a drum and bass style which pervades its remixes of popular character motifs. Everyone jumped for joy.
 * As of March 22, 2011, Sentinel's health was officially nerfed from 1.3M HP to 905K.
 * Galactus is playable in Ultimate.
 * The "Heroes vs Heralds" mode, the mode the dev team was talking about that would change the way you play the game. Very similar in application to the Gems System from Street Fighter X Tekken (and, to a lesser extent, System Direction from Street Fighter III: Third Strike), the mode grants various abilities via collectible cards (invisibility, immunity to projectiles, super armor for both point characters and Assists, stun from Assist attacks, cancelling specials with other specials, etc.). The highlight of these? Parrying.

It's also worth noting that the "Heroes vs Heralds" mode got a much warmer reception from fans than the Gems System from SFxT. Why? It's a separate mode. And it's free.
 * Spencer's DLC costume is of his Bionic Commando: Rearmed appearance.
 * Broken Base: Simply put, the fanbase as a whole is a bit divided.
 * With the inclusion of Zero brings the resurgence of a long-standing debate over which version of Zero should be in the game.
 * There's also the outcry that X himself was disconfirmed, with many of his fans proclaiming that it was finally time for Capcom to give X his due.

And It Got Worse when X was inserted... as an alternate costume for Zero. Cue rage from the fans who wanted X in as his own unique character, and a smaller portion who wanted his Mega Man Zero costume. ""When you look at characters like Ghost Rider, and Iron Fist, and Black Panther, those are great characters but it's the backstory that makes them. From a gameplay point of view they're all just punchy dudes. We didn't want you to be able to say, 'this guy is just another one of this guy but a little faster or with a different fireball'. So that was the final pass" that Capcom took off the Marvel list."
 * There's also the exclusion of the original Mega Man, with the devs saying that they don't want to put him in the game due to the previous game's mediocre moveset as well as representing the series with the aforementioned Zero. Many people have accused the devs of laziness and hypocrisy, due to the fact they completely changed Jill's moveset, and wondering why the devs couldn't apply this same treatment to him.
 * An interview to Seth Killian made by Newsarama becomes ironic when it was confirmed that Iron Fist and Ghost Rider are playable in UMvC3. A snippet:


 * The existence of UMvC3 is a point of contention for the fanbase. In one corner, you have fans decrying an Updated Rerelease being announced no less than five months after the original game's release; the other side more or less says, "This is Capcom. You should have seen it coming." There's also a subset that falls somewhere in the middle of this that believes that while a psuedo-sequel is the usual business for Capcom and is not too irked by it, it probably would have been better for them to have just waited until everything was ready to go since the window between vanilla and Ultimate was only about eight months. Explanations given in later interviews (such as Japan's 2011 Earthquake ruining the DLC plans for MvC3 and giving UMvC3 as a result) helped to abate some of the backlash, but alas...
 * The trailer, especially considering the leaked list of fighters appearing (or better yet, not appearing) for each company.
 * This goes double for the revelation that Mega Man, generally accepted as Capcom's mascot, would not be appearing in the game as a playable character. It doesn't help that Mega Man Legends 3 was just canceled a few days before.


 * Character Tiers: In Vanilla: Dante, Phoenix, Wesker, and Wolverine are the Tier Induced Scrappies, high-tier version. From the low-tier side, Thor gets better (but the fans still placed him at the low tier level). Hsien-Ko's not so lucky.
 * Early looks into Ultimate are giving a lot of hype to the newly-buffed Captain America, Vergil, Phoenix Wright, and Hawkeye.
 * Wesker has been at a high position on the Tier list for both games. He got better in Ultimate, now with an infamous buff when he takes off his glasses, leading many to decry his spot as the third character on many teams where he now gets "Level 4 X-Factor".
 * In Ultimate, Wesker and Zero are unanimously considered to be the best characters in the game, to the point of being really broken.
 * Wesker, while still ranked high, has gone down as of late. Current top tiers are ussualy spread amongst Wesker, Zero, Vergil and Spencer
 * Complacent Gaming Syndrome: How's it going, Sentinel?
 * After the nerf, the Sentinel users are reduced slightly.
 * At the start, there were a good number of fans who used Dante, Deadpool, and Zero for their team. It's arguably less so by now.
 * The rest are Magneto, Spencer (possibly because of the famous Combofiend vs. Marn tournament match), Chun-Li, Akuma, Amaterasu, Wolverine, and Wesker. And arguably Storm and X-23.
 * For the assists, it's usually Dr. Doom, Tron Bonne, Haggar, or Hsien-Ko. Although Dr. Doom, Sentinel and Wesker is some of the more common character that is picked thanks to their superb assists(and being pretty good on point).
 * Given what we've seen of them so far, Strider Hiryu, Ghost Rider, Firebrand, Nemesis, Vergil, and Iron Fist look like they'll be working their way up here in due time.
 * According to a Shoryuken.com article, the four most frequently used characters in the Ultimate version are Wesker, Vergil, Magneto and Sentinel.
 * And, if you watch tournament replays, be ready to see Dante on it. And this after he's been Nerfed in Ultimate, and hes still overused.
 * If you want to play a fun drinking game, take a shot for every Dante/Vergil/Wesker team you run into online.
 * Vergil, IN JAPAN !! So much that many called him the Wesker of Japan.
 * Complaining About Characters You Don't Know: Some of Marvel's newer reveals have been drawing heat from the fans. Particularly telling are those who gripe about X-23 and She-Hulk being nothing more than female copies of their better-known counterparts--which shows that they didn't bother watching the two characters' debut trailers, which shows how completely different they are. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.
 * Some uneducated fans accuse Mike Haggar of lifting his moves from Zangief, when in reality, the opposite is true.
 * Some players feel it was silly to include "the dog from Okami", ignorant of Amaterasu's godhood or her game's status.
 * The ones who don't know Vergil from DMC3 complain that he plays similarly to Dante.
 * Fans want Mega Man X, but those who don't will claim that he is like Zero. X is known as a marksman, not a swordsman. Got worse due to Zero getting a DLC costume based on X.
 * Contested Sequel: A good number of fans tried to compare this game with its previous installments. Expect heated debates.
 * Counterpart Comparison:
 * The Marvel and Capcom characters introduced side-by-side in every trailer have a theme and/or similarities:

Ryu and Wolverine: Both of whom have cases of Wolverine Publicity, appearing in many spinoff medias, and being the "icons" of both the Street Fighter and X-Men series, respectively. They can also be considered the unofficial "icon" for both Capcom, Marvel, and the whole Marvel vs. Capcom crossover series. Both also love fighting, have their own honor code, and both are very determined to achieve their goals.

Morrigan and Iron Man: The former is a Horny Devils, the latter is a Casanova. Overlaps with Crossover Ship. Both also uses jet booster to fly (although Morrigan can also use her wings, she just prefers turning them into jet boosters).

Chris and Hulk: The former is trained to fight bioweapons, and the latter can be considered one of them. There is also the Chris + Boulder RE5 video. Chris punched that boulder into the lava. Hulk's Gamma Crush uses a flaming boulder.

Dante and Deadpool: Both are Crazy Awesome sword-wielding, gun-toting, wisecracking red-clad mercenaries with a Healing Factor whose names starts with D. Not So Different indeed. Their themes are also the only ones which are rock arrangements with vocals. Both also have two similar hypers: Million Dollars and Devil Must Die for Dante, and Happy-Happy Trigger and Cuttin' Time for Deadpool.

Felicia and Captain America: Both love freedom, are eaglelanders as well, (moreso with Cap) and they both happen to be the most pure-hearted of their respective series.

Chun-Li and Doctor Doom: Both characters possesses deep love for their parents (her father for Chun-li, and his mother for Doom).

Trish and Super-Skrull: Both were made to impersonate certain traits of people related to the protagonist of their series. Trish was made to look like Dante's mom and has a weapon of Sparda's, while Super-Skrull, of course, copies the powers of the Fantastic Four.

Amaterasu and Thor: Both are Physical Gods and share an Elemental Powers: lightning. If you take into account actual Japanese Mythology, Thor could be likened (somewhat) to Susanoo, Amaterasu's brother and the Shinto god of sea and storms.

Viewtiful Joe and Dormammu: they both get more power from their respective realms (MovieLand and the Dark Dimension.) Both also play with fire.

Tron Bonne and X-23: Both are Breakout Characters from their respective series. Both are also Antiheroines, and both has their "close relatives" appearing in this game (Teisel Bonne as a cameo and the Servbots for the former, and her "father" Wolverine for the latter).

Wesker and Spider-Man: Both are mutants mutates (Wesker with T-Virus, Spider-Man with radioactive spider sting). Wesker's Phantom Dance super is also quite similar to Spider-Man's Maximum Spider super (it was even given the Fan Nickname "Maximum Wesker").

Arthur and M.O.D.O.K.: They are surprisingly dangerous compared to their more serious looking enemies. They also have a lot of projectile/laser moves.

Spencer and Magneto: They have been victims of human bastardness. And have had encounters with a certain Fuhrer.

Zero and She-Hulk: Both act as law enforcers (Zero being a Maverick hunter and She-Hulk being a lawyer). Both are Breakout Characters as well. Less noticeably, both have green tracts of land.

C. Viper and Storm: Both use some Elemental Powers, and they share one element: lightning. There's also a "natural vs. artificial" theme within them--Viper uses gadgets and Storm uses inherent powers. Both also are dark-skinned with unique hair.

Haggar and Phoenix: Both go on angry bad-guy-beating sprees when their loved ones get hurt--though Phoenix's are a lot more dangerous than Haggar's.

Akuma and Taskmaster: Both are morally dubious proficient combat experts, though Taskmaster is more of a Combat Pragmatist who does it for the money while Akuma fights with a sense of some honor and does it out of his love of battle. They also have some moves from other fighters; Akuma being a pure-yet-overpowered Shotoclone and Taskmaster having the moves of several Marvel characters.

Hsien-Ko and Sentinel: Both are hunters of beings thought to be threats to humanity. Hsien-Ko hunts monsters and demons in order to find the one responsible for killing her mother, while Sentinel units are designed to hunt down mutants. They also both fight using hidden weapons. They also have a blue and purple color scheme. (Hsien-Ko has her default scheme and Sentinel has his/it's X-Men: Mutant Apocalypse scheme)

Jill and Shuma-Gorath: Like Chris and Hulk above, Shuma is a monstrous creature and Jill's job is to defeat them. .

Firebrand and Ghost Rider: They both have their own demonic powers, and Pyrokinesis in particular. The former is mostly seen as a force of evil while the latter is the opposite.

Strider Hiryu and Hawkeye: Both are acrobatic fighters with multiple weapons in supply and wear purple. The former is more silent and to-the-point while the latter is brash and cocky.

Doctor Strange and Nemesis: (Arcane) Magic vs. (Mad) Science. Both also bind their opponents in their Level 3 hypers before destroying them.

Vergil and Iron Fist: Classic Red Oni, Blue Oni comparison -- cold and calculating Vergil against the (literally!) fiery Iron Fist. Both are connected to supernatural powers through a legacy. Vergil uses an immortal weapon; Iron Fist is an immortal weapon. Both also have Asian-themed fighting styles (Vergil with his Iaido and Iron Fist with his Kung-Fu).

Phoenix Wright and Nova: A shared focus on justice. As a contrast, while Nova has Combo-Platter Powers, Phoenix Wright... doesn't.

Frank West and Rocket Raccoon: Both's appearances here are a little out of place compared to most of the other characters, and are both known for using weapons... lots of weapons.
 * The opening movie of Ultimate had all of these rivalries scrambled and re-done to include new characters.

Ryu and Nova: Both have a strong sense of heroism and are good at firing energy blasts. Both also have a Kamehame Hadoken as one of their hypers.

Wolverine and Vergil: Both are (or, in case of Wolverine, was) samurai who have a strong sense of honor. They tend to win fights by slicing their enemies and both have healing factors. Wolverine has the Adamantium claws which is said as the unbreakable metal; Vergil's Yamato is able to cut anything, thus giving the theme of Unstoppable Force Meets Immovable Object. Also, Wolverine uses savage brawling while Vergil uses refined swordmanship. In gameplay terms, they both have a Super Mode.

Hulk and Haggar: Both are big hulking bruisers. There's also their respective quotes to each other in the game itself, emphasizing their rivalry.

Dante and Ghost Rider: Both are demon-hunting badasses. While Dante is cocky and loves to crack jokes, Ghost Rider is cold, serious, and intimidating. This is also shown in Dante's vanilla MvC3 ending.

Morrigan and Dr. Strange: Strange deals with abominations from other dimensions; Morrigan is just one of them.

Strider Hiryu and Spider-Man: In the artwork for the online re-release of MvC2, the two were portrayed as rivals. Both are also agile characters, and red and blue (Spidey's default color) results in purple (Hiryu's default color).

Wesker and Phoenix: Both are "gods" -- Wesker just claims that he's one, while Phoenix has the Phoenix Force sealed inside her.

Nemesis and X-23: Both wear black leather. The former is an experimental zombie mutant while the latter is an experimental clone mutant, and both are trained to hunt people.

Phoenix Wright and Deadpool: Both use speech bubbles as attacks.

Hawkeye and Captain American vs Firebrand and an army of Red Arremers

Spencer and Iron Man: Both are tech-themed.

She-Hulk and Jill: Both are brutally powerful females.

Thor and Trish: Both wield lightning and have blonde hair.

Amaterasu and Dormammu: Both manipulate reality, are gods, and wield fire.

Iron Fist and Chun-Li: Both are well-studied martial artists. Chun-Li is often focused on kicks while Iron Fist is often focused on punches.

Rocket Raccoon and Viewtiful Joe: Both are two of the smallest members of the cast and use BFGs.

Zero and M.O.D.O.K: Both are mechanical characters that utilize laser weaponry.

Sentinel and Tron: Both are highly brutish in their style, are tech-themed, and have robot assistants.

Crimson Viper and Frank West vs Super-Skrull: Both are humans with unorthodox fighting styles against an alien with an unorthodox collection of super-powers

Hsien-Ko and Taskmaster: Both are weapon-freaks.

Akuma and Storm: The power of Gaia versus the power of the Shin-Goku-Gatsu. Both are also dark-skinned.

Chris and Felicia vs Shuma-Gorath: Chris and Felicia deal in a regular basis with supernatural threats, such as Shuma-Gorath.

Arthur and Doctor Doom: Arthur mistakes Doom for a knight in the game.

Magneto fighting Galactus alone: Both are/were the final bosses of their debut game.

"So... you doing anything after this, cutie? Rowwwr!"
 * Crack Pairing:
 * Felicia and Super Skrull appearing in the art for one T-shirt hasn't stopped certain fans in Capcom's official forums from shipping them together.
 * Shuma-Gorath wants to freakin' marry Hsien-Ko. Apparently, he finds the whole living corpse thing "quaint".
 * Rocket Raccoon hits on Amaterasu.

"(after beating Deadpool) "Sometimes you gotta out-crazy the crazies if you wanna beat 'em.""
 * Crazy Awesome:
 * Deadpool is so crazy that he attacks in nonsensical ways like using the HUD to attack opponents.
 * Dante, of his own admission.


 * Creator's Pet: Some argue that Wesker is such, seeing as though he's got more buffs than nerfs despite being top tier already.
 * Crossover Ship:
 * Iron Man and Morrigan gets paired with many characters, and between themselves.

Morrigan has been shipped with Iron Man (by virtue of Iron Man's winquote and the first intro movie of vanilla MvC3) Chris (by way of Chris's Take My Hand moment in the first intro movie and the final picture in the fourth intro movie) Deadpool (by way of a hilarious scene in the first intro movie) Dante (which predates this game by a margin of a few years) Shuma-Gorath, (she appears to be... fond of Shuma's tentacles) and Wolverine. (By way of his ending)

Iron Man has been shipped with almost all of the women, especially Morrigan (by virtue of the already mentioned intro movies) C. Viper (by way of his pre-fight quote) and even Tron Bonne! A web animation takes it to the logical extreme. "(after defeating Thor) "Tall, Blonde, you're my kinda guy. But do you have to carry that hammer around everywhere?""
 * Some fans also have been pairing up Felicia, Amaterasu, Super-Skrull and Hulk in all of the pairing matches.
 * Hulk/X-23 and Deadpool/Dante, claiming both pairs look dreamily into each other's eyes. Despite the fact that X-23 is about 16 and Hulk is some vague but considerably older age.
 * And now, thanks to the fourth intro movie, Haggar/Felicia.
 * in Spencer's ending.
 * Shuma-Gorath shows very... creepy amounts of interest in Hsien-Ko.
 * Dormammu/Trish (the high dosages of crack are even lampshaded by the fan artist). If anything, his game is quickly proving one infallible truth: if you can think it up, you can ship it.
 * Chun-Li/Thor.

"Wesker:"
 * Doctor Strange greets a female character (except Hsien-Ko) by inviting her to join his team of "all-female Defenders". He also throws a rose to female fighters as his taunt. How much have you picked up from Tony, Stephen?
 * Designated Hero: The character select screen is labeled as "Hero Select" despite the presence of Deadpool, Super-Skrull, Dr. Doom, Dormammu, M.O.D.O.K., Taskmaster, Wesker, and, to some extent, Akuma and Magneto, Shuma-Gorath, Jill, Firebrand, Nemesis, and last but not Zoidberg, Vergil.
 * Ensemble Darkhorse:
 * From the most fan polls, the highest ones in the poll tends to be Mega Man X, Gene, Venom (and/or Anti-Venom), and Gambit.
 * From the game itself, Nemesis has had quite a sudden rise in popularity. Then again, he was the Breakout Villain of RE3 and remains one of the more iconic characters in the Resident Evil franchise as a whole.
 * Epileptic Trees:
 * In Wesker's ending, due to him, many fans think that he's the one who caused the Marvel Zombies plot. His slightly-modified ending in Ultimate touches this deeper, as per his quote:

"Deadpool: I love me some--pineapple!
 * In a similar vein, some fans speculate that Sentinel's original ending from X-Men: Children of the Atom triggered the Days of Future Past stage in Ultimate.
 * A Joystiq.com interview to Ryota Niitsuma, when asked if a Wii version would ever come out, prompted a response that can be summed up as "Maybe", fans believe that this might mean that the game will be released on the Wii or a Nintendo based system at some point.
 * There was also the infamous leak coming from a Twitter member named Lupinko, which leaks some of the MvC3 characters before release, and it's all proven true. Now he informs a leak about the (possible) release of a "super" version of MvC3, and fans go along with it. Turns out that he was right.
 * Excuse Plot: Unlike the previous installments, it actually has something of a plot, but it's mainly "Wesker and Doom team up to gather villains to take over both realities".
 * The lack of the expected story mode makes this a much straighter example than some would have hoped.
 * Though there's more than a bit of All There in the Manual too, as there's quite a bit going on, but only in the supplemental materials and Word of God. Let's see... the two worlds are converging-likely caused by Dormmammu. This leads to the usual "heroes from both worlds waste their time fighting each other." Meanwhile, Wesker and Doom are attempting to use the chaos to their advantage, but the portals between the two worlds are unstable and they decide (due to an idea by the Super Skrull) to attempt to use energy from Galactus' ship. Though they are confident they can do it without the big guy knowing, they are wrong, and the enraged Physical God then comes to earth to exact his vengeance. Doom's ending suggests he attracted the big guy's attention on purpose; Wesker's ending suggests he was surprised but just rolled with it.
 * As seen above, the "Heroes and Heralds" mode in Ultimate has its fair share of this.
 * Evil Is Sexy: Albert Wesker, Jill Valentine, (to some extent) Tron Bonne, Dark Phoenix, and several others as taste and fetish dictate. Not Morrigan, however; she is undeniably sexy, but she is not evil.
 * Fan Dumb: There's a large amount of fans of certain dis-confirmed characters who will flame anyone who doesn't agree that the exclusion of the character they wanted makes the cast totally worthless.
 * In particular, many Mega Man fans will insist that Rocket Raccoon's inclusion in Ulimate is somehow directly at fault for the Blue Bomber's absence, despite the fact that RR is a Marvel character, and therefore has no influence on the Capcom line-up.
 * Fashion Victim Villain: Taskmaster's Carrot Orange outfit from his time in the Frightful Four makes a return.
 * Flanderization: Phoenix, especially in contrast with the other X-Men. All of her battle quotes seem to revolve around her fear of Dark Phoenix, whereas Storm, Wolverine, and X-23 all have surprising degrees of characterization for a Fighting Game.
 * Fountain of Memes: Anything Deadpool says is liable to Memetic Mutation. He has given us more phrases than EMP "IT'S MAHVEL, BAYBEE!" Yipes, and is giving Terry Bogard a run for his money as the most memetic character in Fighting Game history.

Deadpool: I love me some guns!

Deadpool: Have gun, will shoot!

Deadpool: Pineapple surprise!

Deadpool: Katana-rama!

Deadpool: CHIMICHANGAS!

Deadpool: Whoahoa! BANG! BANG-BANG-BANG! BANG-BANG-BANG-BANG!

Deadpool: Hell yeah! I hear bullets taste just like chicken! Haha!

Deadpool: YES! IT'S CUTTIN' TIME! LALALALALAA...

Deadpool: YOU PRESSED THE WRONG BUTTOOOOOONNNNN!!!!!

Deadpool: HEALTH BAR IN YOUR FACE!

Deadpool: Feel the love of the HYPER COMBO!

Deadpool: And it's a HOOOOOOOOOOOOOME RUN!

Deadpool (in a singsong voice): This is the Hyper combo...

Deadpool: Anime power up time!

Deadpool: Bathroom break!

Deadpool: Ow! My kidney!

Deadpool: Yo momma!

Deadpool: Who was I supposed to kill again? Heh, doesn't matter!

Deadpool: Hey! YEAH, YOU! I'm down here busting my ass while you sit on yours watching me jump around?! How is THAT fair?

Deadpool (If Deadpool barely wins the fight): You, with the controller! I won DESPITE you. You suck. And you smell... REALLY smell.

Deadpool (If Deadpool wins via Curb Stomp Battle): You were recording that, weren't you, player? No? Eheheh... WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU WEREN'T RECORDING THAT?!

Deadpool: Check me out, I'm the ghost of Christmas KICK YOUR ASS!!!

Deadpool (up first against any Street Fighter character): Man, I freaking LOVE Street Fighter! Autograph your spleen for me?

Deadpool (upon defeating any Street Fighter character): I get to be on the cover of the next Street Fighter for this, right Capcom? RIGHT?

Deadpool (up first against Magneto): (Evil Laugh) MAGNETO, WELCOME TO DIE!

Deadpool (upon defeating Magneto): I just beat Mag-freakin'-neto! Where yo curleh mustache at?

Deadpool (upon defeating Wolverine): You see that? That's how you beat Wolverine, people. AND YOU DON'T EVEN NEED OPTIC BLASTS!! BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

Deadpool: This is my taunt! Heh. Get it?

Deadpool: Taunt Button!"


 * Funny Aneurysm Moment:
 * Iron Man's rib towards Spencer in regards to his bionic arm ("Just the arm? What? Can't afford the rest of the suit?") takes on a darker, more somber tone if you played the 2009 Bionic Commando sequel.
 * The "too much RAM" jokes regarding the Human Torch's removal from the game also become slightly more awkward now that
 * Game Breaker: Sentinel was this before the health nerf although his power, defensive capabilities with neutralize and armored normals and amazing assist help to keep him viable. Also, Zero in the hands of a highly competent player.
 * X-Factor, particularly Level 3, which can quickly change the tide of the battle.
 * Phoenix is the major one, mainly due to Dark Phoenix being an enormous pain to fight and even more of one if X-Factor is involved; see "Tier-Induced Scrappy" below for how ridiculous this can become.
 * Genius Bonus: Captain America's quip against Zero can be a reference to the binary numbers concept, or the fact that Japanese fighter pilots in WWII were nicknamed "Zeroes", though Cap didn't fight in the Pacific.
 * Or the fact that zero is a generic insult.
 * Germans Love David Hasselhoff:
 * For some strange reason, Shuma-Gorath is popular in Japan.
 * More on Shuma: according to Seth Killian, Shuma-Gorath was chosen by Capcom's Japanese developers because he was listed in an old Marvel universe handbook; coupled with a lot of "characters in tights", a one-eyed tentacle monster really stood out, even though he's not a popular Marvel character.
 * In a Q&A session with Niitsuma, he stated that Spider-Man's announcement was intentionally held off until the Tokyo Game Show because he is a popular character in Japan.
 * Good Bad Bugs:
 * Cinematic hypers reseting the hitstun decay, which means that long MvC2 style combo videos that run into the hundreds of hits are still possible.
 * Dr. Doom has a glitch which can also qualify as a Game Breaking Bug, in which he can abuse the cooldown frames of his Hidden Missiles to generate more missiles at once. This does extra damage, but using it too much in a row can freeze the entire game, forcing you to reset it. Here's the glitch in gameplay.
 * Zero's Sougenmu glitch, which involves snapbacking the opposing player's point character with Zero's shadow clone while one or both of their Assists were out, causing none of the opposing members to jump back into the fight for the remainder of the match. This was patched up.
 * There's also another glitch, dubbed "Quicksilver", in honor of Dante's Time Stands Still-controlling Style in DMC3, found by Rogueyoshi.

It involves Dante calling in a THC (Team Hyper Combo/Cross-over Combination) during a style cancel using Stinger (or Wild Stomp). This freezes the game until Dante returns to a neutral state, meaning that if a skilled Dante can loop his style cancels, the glitch remains in effect until he pretty much whittles away the health of the poor soul on the receiving end of this (if the opponent is blocking, they can eventually escape by using a Team Assist Counter). Like the Doom Hidden Missile glitch, doing this for too long eventually causes the game to crash. ""I get to be on the cover of the next Street Fighter for this, right Capcom? RIGHT?""
 * One that has nothing to do to gameplay is one of Deadpool's new opponent-specific winquotes in Ultimate: "...and THAT's for pooping on my lawn. I'm the only one who gets to do that." Considering the tone of the quote, one could suppose it should be directed to Amaterasu (who is a wolf, whom many people mistake for a dog, and all), but weirdly enough (and maybe because of this), it ended up as the quote against... Spencer? What is doubly strange is that Deadpool already had a quote for him. Doesn't stop fans from letting their imaginations fly as to why the guy with the bionic arm would take a dump on Pool's lawn.
 * Harsher in Hindsight:
 * Should Trish defeat Dante, her quote at the win screen reads, "Now we know who wears the pants in this relationship." In the first Devil May Cry, Mundus created Trish in the image of Dante's mother Eva specifically to seduce him and lure Dante to Mallet Island, so he could catch Dante in his trap and kill him.
 * Zero taking a pot shot about X's absence from the roster has been made awkward now that it's been revealed that Zero's DLC suit actually is X.
 * Hell Is That Noise: Whenever Akuma performs a super or during his win pose, the creepy laughter of children can be heard in the distance. It's a bit unsettling for some.
 * Hilarious in Hindsight:
 * Deadpool's "You ever play Street Fighter? SHORYUKEN!", which made it in as one of Deadpool's moves. And to twist the knife further, there's his winquote when he beats Ryu:

"Iron Man's intro against female character: So, you doing anything after this? Rocket Raccoon's winquote against Ammy: So... you doing anything after this, cutie? Rowwwr!"
 * Chris said to Wesker in RE5, "Do you take all your ideas from comic book villains?"
 * In a similar vein, in Mega Man Legends, Volnutt says a poster of Zero looks like a comic book hero.
 * Johnny Yong Bosch is voicing yet another Zero, who has a Sword Beam, which three other characters he voiced have, as one of his Hyper Combos.
 * Morrigan has a Scottish accent with her English voice (makes sense, as she's from Scotland). She sounds much better with it here than her American animated self.
 * The Ultimate Marvel version of Nick Fury appears in C. Viper's ending. Most people saw it as odd... until the Updated Rerelease came out with the name Ultimate MvC3.
 * In Apollo Justice Ace Attorney, Phoenix Wright (after his disbarment) was hit by a car, which sent him flying into a lamp post on a Sunday, and he only got a sprained ankle. Now that he's in Ultimate (while still a lawyer), he has to contend with many attacks, such as She-Hulk's lamp post attack in Ultimate, as well as her "Road Rage" Hyper, which involves getting hit by a car (which, according to She-Hulk, was driven by a Sunday Driver)!
 * At one point during Trials and Tribulations, Phoenix wondered about who would pay for a fight between a lawyer and "a giant robot" after a conversation with Maya about an incinerator. Seven years later, here he is, in a fighting game, in which one of the opponents is a Sentinel.
 * The announcer of the game sometimes says "Let your fists do the talking!", when the lineup of characters for the next match is presented. If Phoenix Wright is on a team, his fighting style makes that phrase just a bit more ironic.
 * The announcer may also say "Go for broke, FIGHT!", which is equally amusing given Wright's financial problems sometimes in his own series, despite being a lawyer.
 * A fan art of both Phoenix Wright and Nemesis becomes funnier when all 3 of these characters are in Ultimate.
 * In Doctor Strange: The Oath, Strange comments (after opening a can of Doc-Fu on an unsuspecting antagonist) that "[he] won't be besting Iron Fist in any challenges, but it gets the job done."
 * Zero taking a pot shot about X's absence from the roster has been made funnier now that it's been revealed that Zero's DLC suit actually is X.
 * M.O.D.O.K. was nicknamed M.O.D.O.T. (the T for "Trolling") by many due to the fact that he manages to be included in the game despite being "obscure". When Ultimate gets in, he gets an alt of a real M.O.D.O.T. (the T for "Talking") in the comics, specifically in the Howard The Duck comics.
 * On gameplay videos featuring Galactus, people would often post the comment, "Much like the Fantastic Four, I am not playable." Cue Ultimate, where Galactus really IS playable!
 * Iron Man flirts with all the ladies in the roster... sans Ammy. Cue Ultimate, where Ammy is finally the target of flirting... by Rocket Raccoon of all people. With the similar quotes, too:

""X is BROKEN!"
 * Felicia having Yellow Iris as her DLC alt. makes sense given that they're both Cat Girls, but then there's the fact that the two appeared side-by-side in Felicia's Capcom Fighting Evolution ending...
 * Phoenix Wright isn't the first character voiced by Sam Riegel whose voice gives him super strength.
 * Holy Shit Quotient: The gameplay videos and especially the trailers have been supplying such moments in spades.
 * Internet Backdraft: The sole mention of the game is enough cause for a heated debate. Poor Capcom...
 * Usually happened when characters are confirmed not to be in the game, although a lot of the newcomers receive a good chunk of it as well. Admittedly, some arguments are actually reasonable and well-thought out, but it mostly tends to get WAY out of hand. It pretty much comes in one of four flavors:

"X sucks and is a waste of a character slot."

"Wait, why did X get in over Y?"

"X's presence caused Y to be disconfirmed, so I hate them.""


 * Go on the official Marvel vs. Capcom 3 facebook page and "request" a character somebody doesn't agree with (read: "anybody"). Prepare to be in an argument.
 * With the announcement of Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3, and being less than half a year since the game was released, things have gotten worse. It calmed down a little, when Seth Killian explained that DLC plans were shelved whilst the development team (based in Japan) dealt with the aftermath of the 2011 Tsunami. The reason the game itself is coming out so early is because Capcom already has Street Fighter X Tekken due for release in early 2012 and Marvel has several properties tied up in games scheduled for release later that year, so it's a case of do it now or wait several years for it.
 * Then, Ryota Niitsuma explained that Mega Man X couldn't make it into the top ranking of the character poll... even though he was number 1 at the top of a fan-made poll's ranking data. Naturally, this didn't help. It should be noted, though, that fan polls don't largely affect the developers' decisions.
 * It's the Same, Now It Sucks: On the opposite end of the They Changed It, Now It Sucks debacle (see below), there's an equally large swarm of people complaining that the game is too close to MvC2 and TvC. Yes, the fanbase is as quenchless as Galactus.
 * Magnificent Bastard: Wesker. In his ending, despite, he still managed to play the situation to his advantage.
 * Memetic Badass:
 * Mike Haggar, the shark pile-driving Mayor of Earth. To gamers, Haggar is the perfect example of an "action politician".
 * Dante, the slo-mo pizza eater who is invincible! (Only in cutscenes, though.)
 * Chris, the boulder-smasher.
 * Ghost Rider, due to a particular incident involving Galactus in the past.
 * Most Wonderful Sound:
 * The announcer's declaration "You have saved the Earth!"
 * The activation sound of a Level 3 Hyper Combo (except when it's interrupted or you're on the receiving end).
 * Strider Hiryu's Cypher. SHWING!

"Captain America (before fighting against Iron Man): You think I'm going down to some pampered punk like you? Captain America (after winning against Iron Man): And that's for Civil War. Iron Man (before fighting against Captain America): This armor knows your next move before you do, Steve.
 * Never Live It Down:
 * Cap and Tony haven't got over Civil War yet:

Iron Man (after winning against Captain America): It's like Civil War all over again."

"Doctor Strange: I imagine you're still upset about us shooting you into space...
 * Doctor Strange vs. the Hulk

Hulk: Dumb Magician once friends with Hulk -- but now Hulk Smash!"

""Welcome... To my realm...""
 * As for from the game itself, fans labeled Iron Man for being an ephebophile because he hits on Tron... Despite that he actually hits on all the girls as well.
 * Nightmare Fuel:
 * Galactus should you lose to him is a little more unnerving than it should be.
 * To rub salt in the wound? Should you lose to him, and wait on the Game Over screen (which in vanilla you HAD to do if you wanted to get the Galactus ending), the screen literally RIPS IN HALF,
 * Dormammu's Level 3 Hyper. He traps the opponent in a dark bubble (Dark Dimension), then he goes big (or the bubble goes small, we can't be sure) and then pops the bubble with his fingers, with the opponent inside.


 * Likewise, Shuma-Gorath's Level 3 Hyper starts with a nasty closeup of his face getting all bitey, and then finishes by teleporting the opponent inside of Shuma-Gorath, who now looks like a colored balloon with an eye sticking out.

In Ultimate, with his new costume, it's all made creepier with the Extra Eyes. "Captain America: Your kind's got no shot, not while I'm around."
 * To a lesser extent, the effect of the X-Factor in Ultimate MvC3. It turns the user into a black silhouette with red outlines and aura. It's a bit unnerving to some.
 * Oh guys, you have not seen the Level 3 hyper of Ghost Rider have you?
 * Nemesis is making his Fighting Game debut, but is it lessening any of his horrifying nature? Hell no. Tentacles burst forth from nearly every pore of his body, he's one of the tallest characters in the game, and his Level 3 Hyper? Well, it involves his final blob form constricting the poor opponent, then spitting acid at them from a first person view, no less. Capcom probably got away with adding him in because he bleeds a green liquid.
 * Older Than They Think: So, Shuma-Gorath's a Doctor Strange villain from the 1970s, right? Wrong! Turns out Shuma-Gorath was invented by Robert E. Howard for a Kull story, written no later than the 1930s (but not published until 1967).
 * Popularity Power: Aside from the constant Internet Backdraft and Base Breaker status the newcomers have caused in the game, newcomers from both Marvel and Capcom were already well established characters in their comics (Marvel) and games (Capcom) with years to whole decades of characterization; but C. Viper is the one who takes this trope to heart, she has appeared in no more than two games with only 2 years of characterization, no cameos in other games, nothing, and yet she's iconic enough to appear in crossover games already. Mind you that she wasn't even intended to be the icon of Street Fighter IV; Abel was supposed to be the center of it, but the fans welcomed C. Viper as their main and apparently Capcom caught on to this too.
 * Ruined FOREVER:
 * The June 2010 issue of Game Informer confirmed that Marvel vs. Capcom 3 would use the Tatsunokovs Capcom button layout as well as a separate launcher button and multiple directional launchers. And some fandom stopped rejoicing and started complaining. Some time later, Capcom's Seth Killian said that it's actually closer to the 4 button MvC2 control scheme.
 * The E3 build of the game had you hold back and assist to tag out, a la Tatsunoko vs. Capcom. The backlash was so bad that this was eventually changed in the next playable build.
 * Every disconfirmation of a vet or fan-favorite has caused different sectors of the fandom to claim this.
 * The reveal of Arthur and Rad Spencer was overshadowed by fans griping about the use of the "wifebeater and dreadlocks" version of Spencer from the 2009 game rather than his classic appearance. Deadpool actually throws in a reference to this in one of his text winquotes.
 * "There's too many girls on Capcom's side!" Alternatively, "There aren't enough girls in the roster!"
 * "Oh crap... SENTINEL'S back?"
 * "Magneto (or Strider)?! He's just as broken as the last game!"
 * The Sentinel nerf patch. Not just because the patch nerfed Sentinel but because it came a little over a month after the game's release. Some feel that it was too early in the game's life to start making balance changes. This only encourages people to call for more game changing patches than learning how to beat such a character like him.
 * A minor example, Captain America loses his Shield Slash glitch after the patch. Mind you, he lacks OTG, groundbounce or wallbounce attacks, nor an aerial hyper. But it has since died down thanks to his buffs in Ultimate.
 * Scenery Porn: Especially the Asgard and Daily Bugle stages.
 * Scenery Gorn: The Demon Village stage. Red Arremer says "hi!"... as well as Astaroth! Eep...
 * Skill Gate Character: More of the simpler characters, if they don't fall into God Tier or Tier-Induced Scrappy territory fall into this territory.
 * Scrappy Mechanic:
 * X-Factor. Particularly level 3 X-Factor as some players feels as it's too strong and lasts too long. Characters like Sentinel and Dark Phoenix can KO anyone with a basic 4-5 hit combo. Many pro players have express their dislike for the mechanic. Some wish for it to be toned down while others want it removed entirely.
 * While X-Factor was toned down in Ultimate (damage and speed boosts have been reduced across the board and characters in X-Factor are affected by damage scaling, particularly in terms of hypers), it can now be activated in midair. Once again, fans are divided on its necessity but the dev team continues to defend the point that they believe it to be a core element of the game.
 * The Simple Mode. It is geared towards the newcomers to the game, with the simplified command for specials and hypers. However, because of the nature of the mode itself, specials and hypers are easily spammable in this mode. Particularly annoying when you encounter keepaway characters like Dormammu, Dr. Doom, and Sentinel.
 * Team Aerial Combos are ludicrously easy to setup (all it takes is one button!) and impossible to escape from unless you can predict what random direction your opponent is holding his analog stick. Worse, successful combo starter give away free hyper gauges (1 gauge for down + S, half gauge for side + S, no gauge for up + S), meaning a dirty player can just spam launchers and knock you around in the air, just to greet you with a Team (or Delayed) Hyper Combo when you land.
 * "Stop Having Fun!" Guys: If you even consider using Simple Mode, prepare to have some of the more elitist players chew you out.
 * That One Attack:
 * Sentinel's "Neutralize!" beam and (Hyper) Sentinel Force, which is already reviled by the fans since MvC2.
 * Arthur's Goddess Bracelet, which apparently can create loops for high damage.
 * Akuma's Zankukyaku, the multihitting version of Ryu's Senpuukyaku that is vital to his infinite set-ups, later nerfed. There's also his usual Shun Goku Satsu (or Raging Demon, if you prefer), and in this game, it comes even faster than in the Street Fighter games plus it's almost completely invincible allowing you to just plow through any attack the other fighter brings out with it.
 * Storm's Hailstorm which takes almost the whole screen and causes nasty chip damage.
 * Magneto's Gravity Squeeze (Level 3) which apparently can hit the enemy everywhere they are, even the grounded opponent. He can do this after his long chain of combos For Massive Damage.
 * Dormammu's Stalking Flare, a fireball which slowly homes in on opponent and causing high chip damage. Furthermore, doing KFC after that makes him able to launch ANOTHER Stalking Flare (or his other hypers).
 * Zero's Genmu Zero (Genmurei). It's one of only three non-cinematic damaging Level 3 hypers in the game, it is large and hard to dodge and comes out very fast.
 * Morrigan's Astral Vision which creates a copy of her behind the opponent and copies her every move, creating heavy lockdowns and punishes.
 * Phoenix's fragile already, but when killed while she has 5 hyper bars, she'll be resurrected as Dark Phoenix with full (but degenerating) health and more strength. Her normal attacks fire small bullets of flame, and combined with her normal projectiles and teleport, she can make a nasty lockdown gameplay. Worse still, the X-Factor can stop the health degeneration, and combined with Healing Field, she can stay healthy long enough to decimate all of her opponents' characters. Oh, and with Level 3 X-Factor her Phoenix Inferno is basically a one-hit KO.
 * Haggar's Pipe Bash. It has a big hitbox, long reach, causes severe hit/block stun when it lands, aerial version can be used as an instant overhead and gives him a ground bounce. It's completely safe to use.
 * Wolverine's Dive Kick. It comes out rather quickly, has a huge hitbox, and causes stagger OR bounce depending on the opponent's position at the time. If you're up against a good Wolverine player, getting hit by this basically means you're as good as dead.
 * Similar to the above, Dante's mid-air launch move. It also has a long reach, and is commonly used to start up the potentially long combos he has. Combined with the ability to teleport behind and above your opponent, it can quickly catch the opponent off guard, and basically means instant death.
 * Assist characters can help bring the pain. Tron Bonne's Gustaff Fire assist deals large damage and is very fast, but the main annoyance factor is that she has an extremely small hitbox that is located somewhere around her feet and becomes invincible immediately after the move is performed. Many other assists with long invincibility times, like Haggar's spinning lariat or Hsien-Ko's super armor pendulum swing, are disliked for similar reasons. Doom's Hidden Missile assist does not have invincibility advantages, but can hit anywhere on the screen and stop combos.
 * Pretty much any character who has beam attacks, they could spam it easily.
 * Even Heroes and Heralds mode isn't safe from this, with some cards falling into That One Card territory. Got a Sabretooth card after taking damage? Pair him up with defense boosting cards, run away and recover all of your health back!
 * Morrigan's Soul Fist in Ultimate has entered into this area. Especialy combined with her Super which easilly turn the game into Bullet Hell, which taken Up to Eleven with Doom's Hidden Missile. This is mainly because Ultimate doesnt has as many anti projectile as Vanilla, most notable being Wolverine's even more infamous(and hated) Berserker Slash.
 * Rocket Raccoon's Log Trap, as well as his ability to burrow underground.
 * Doom is made on this trope, Hidden Missile is a really good assist, has Beam assist, a Beam move, the dreaded Marlinpie style TAC and of course, FOOT DIVE.
 * Tier-Induced Scrappy: Any character reveal was followed with calls of "BROKEN!" The few that don't tended to get the opposite:
 * Ryu got this kind of flak from a surprising amount of fans. Some have even gone far enough to state that Akuma's presence makes Ryu obsolete in every way possible, despite the fact that Ryu can wallbounce and Akuma can't, has better stamina, and possesses quirks such as an aimable Shinkuu Hadouken.
 * Sentinel, for no reason other than his broken status in Marvel vs. Capcom 2, even though Capcom is aware of how powerful he was and has worked to tone him down. There's already a few players loudly proclaiming a need to create an anti-Sentinel team. He does have counters, though, and he's more balanced than he was in 2, and even more after the nerfings.
 * Phoenix. The fact that she has to be killed twice if the opponent has five bars and that Dark Phoenix is easily the most dangerous character in the game doesn't help anything.
 * In Ultimate, this has fallen on Wesker. Highly damaging normals with high priority, teleport spamming and shooting in the air, and the ability to do Level 1 X-Factor damage when the shades come off (even worse when he activates Level 3 X-Factor,) all make fighting him an absolute chore.
 * Morrigan is starting to get some of this, especially since her playstyle involves spamming the screen with projectiles.
 * They Changed It, Now It Sucks:
 * Fans were preparing to complain about the same game they've been waiting for a decade. Complaints went from assist characters taking too much damage, missing "important" characters (despite most of the requests not being important to the Marvel universe since The Nineties or--in the case of Capcom characters--it not having any released game since The Nineties), the roster size being smaller than MvC2 (despite half of that game's cast consisting of "clone" characters and those few really cared about), its combo-easiness compared to MvC2 (despite there being several infinite combos), that the game takes little to no skill, to trivial stuff like Deadpool's lines, slight changes in movesets, and the game not being Marvel vs. Capcom 2 running on MT Framework.
 * A minor one from Ultimate, people are complaining about the visual effects of X-Factor (the character becomes a black silhouette with red outline and aura, as well as the highlighted X on the lifebar). Another one is the HUD; people preferred the vanilla HUD because the new one is jumbled (Assist 2 on the top, point character in the middle and the Assist 1 on the bottom of the arrangement).
 * Unfortunate Implications:
 * Captain America's victory quote against villains. It can take a whole other meaning when said against Magneto.


 * Ghost Rider beats Doom out with the line "Hell is exactly where your mother belongs. You'll follow her there soon enough." Doom's mother actually went to Hell in one storyline (thanks to Doctor Strange, they did manage to save her, though).