Special:Badtitle/NS90:User talk:DocColress/No more Metal Gear jokes, just more examples/reply (21)

Hey, I've been giving some thought as to various forms of Spider-Man media, and I've been wondering: are you aware of any potential candidates among Spidey's Rogue's gallery (Which by the way, has a few examples on TV Tropes who I'll give entries on this site to) who could potentially count? I was thinking back to two villains who were proposed but rejected: Kron Stone, the Venom from the Marvel 2099 universe as well as the Marvel Noir universe's Norman Osborn. The two were deemed to have justifiable Freudian Excuses, but I kind of want to contest that.

First, there's Kron. The guy is a mass-murdering lunatic who grew up as a childhood tormentor to that universe's Spider-Man Miguel O'Hara, and only got worse as he grew older. He has a thing for killing all but one member of happy families, and only leaves that one member alive so they can feel the pain from losing their loved ones, and is shown doing this to the 2099's Punisher Jake Gallow's family which kick-starts his vigilante career. What's worse is thanks to the fact that his dad Tyler Stone is a high-level CEO in the ridiculously corrupt 2099 universe, he's allowed to get away with these crimes with no repercussions whatsoever as he can simply pay a fine, and since he was born in a rich family he has cash to blow. Whenever Jake tries murder Kron in retaliation, the heavily injured Kron finds the 2099's universe's Symbiote, and combines with it to become Venom. With his newfound power, he tries to murder his dad but soon shifts his interests over to Spider-Man whenever he interferes. He eventually finds out that Spider-Man is Miguel, and soon murders his girlfriend Dana D'Angelo in order to torment him. As Venom, he also murders scores of innocent people.

Norman Osborn from the Noir universe is a mob boss known as The Goblin, and he's basically responsible for a lot of the corruption running through New York City. He regularly suppresses public protests and assassinates prominent figures who try to fight against corruption, and is even responsible for this universe's Uncle Ben's death whenever he has his cannibalistic troubleshooter Vulture eat him. As for other crimes of his, unfortunately I can't find a whole lot of information on the internet unlike with Kron, and I don't have the money to buy the Noir comics myself. I mean, there's more information on his appearance in the video game Spider-Man: Shattered Dimensions for Pete's sake!

Now, we need to take a look at these guy's Freudian Excuses. Kron had a genuinely shitty childhood as his dad didn't want to spend time with him, and had a robot nanny watch over him. The nanny was a victim of faulty programming, and would treat him like a dog by forcing him to eat dog food, keeping him in a kennel, and so on and so forth. In fact, he even tells the Punisher that his hatred for happy families comes from his home life. However, while his Freudian excuse explains his hatred for happy families, it does not excuse his other atrocities, such as murdering innocent people who don't fit his MO as well as killing Spider-Man's love interest. I believe he's an example like Koba, who while he does have understandable reasons for committing some of his crimes, his other ones are completely and utterly inexcusable showing that he's just a genuinely terrible person all around. Hell, his Freudian Excuse is even deemed as weak in-universe, with the Punisher dismissing him as being another freak with a sob story. And just in case you were wondering if his moral agency is affected by the symbiote, he's less like Eddie Brock or Mac Gargan and more like Cletus Kasady where he's already a psycho, and seems to have control over the symbiote just fine.

As for Norman, he hides a genetic condition that makes his skin green and scaly, hence his Goblin moniker. He was born into a freak show and was mistreated by people because of this condition, which he rants at Spider-Man at around the end of the comic. At the same time however, he was still willing to cozy up to New York's corrupt rich elite and claw his way to the top so he can lord it over innocent people who he can have killed on a whim, so it's up to you if you find his Freudian Excuse valid or not.

I personally think that Kron Stone is an easy keeper, though I do admit that Norman has a stronger case against him, if only thanks to a lack of information available and no way to read the comics on hand. Plus, Norman also has to compete with Noir Doctor Octopus (Who is a disgusting Nazi who performs inhumane experiments on black men) and Noir Crime Master (who assists in Octavius's inhumane experiments and resorts to mass murder).