Special:Badtitle/NS90:User talk:DocColress/The Great Big Examples Suggestion Topic 3: Snake Eater/reply (4)

Well, his redeeming features in Origins were being genuinely polite, if still a tad smug and condescending towards Batman, and even though his plan there was evil (Gathering information on Gotham's corrupt police force and making it public, deliberately causing chaos in the streets from the fallout), exposing a corrupt force by itself isn't a bad thing either. There's also Assault on Arkham where he was able to escape being conscripted into Amanda Waller's suicide squad and was able to help the current squad members ditch the bombs strapped to them that would go off if they abandoned their duties. However, it's made clear that Batman showing up Riddler in Arkham Origins has screwed up his mental state, as in each passing game he frantically tries to outsmart Batman once and for all, so I suppose Arkham City shows that he's getting desperate. I'm not sure if he would still possess positive traits (As none are really shown in Asylum or City''), but I suppose you could be right about them simply not being on display in those games. And he still is insane, and keeps his backstory from what I think was from the comics (Abusive father who would regularly beat him and insult him, giving him a compulsive need for attention and to test his wits against others) so his Freudian excuse does seem like it holds up.

And I apologize about suggesting him even though his arc isn't over, as I thought his plan put him over the Moral Event Horizon and thus wouldn't give him room for redemption in Arkham Knight. Should I remove the Penguin as well since he's been confirmed to be in the same game, or has he done enough in City to justify him staying on the page unless good traits surface in Knight?

And I just have one last thing to ask: doesn't the intended body count of a villain matter as much as the final result? I accept your stance on Riddler either way, I'm just not clear on this particular detail.