Moral Event Horizon/Film



""I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has happened.""

- Obi-Wan Kenobi, Star Wars: A New Hope

"Cpt. Morris Stanley: "Arthur Burns is a monster. An abomination. You were right to break company with him; what happened at the Hopkins' place was unforgivable. Did you know that that poor woman had a child in her belly?""
 * Hard to decide when Rotti Largo crosses the line in Repo! The Genetic Opera, but between . and sponsoring laws that legalize murder it must have happened somewhere along the way. Even compared to the every day evils of the population he is beyond redemption, especially when you realize the odds that The Plague that caused mass organ failure was probably something he cooked up, too. If that is the case, I'd call that the line.
 * One of the most famous crossings of the Horizon: the destruction of Alderaan (a planet implied to have millions of innocent civilians living there) by the Death Star in Star Wars: A New Hope. Vader is considered darkly awesome, but not as many people feel that way about Grand Moff Tarkin, the one who ordered the whole thing, and doesn't seem to have a second thought about it. In case Leia's reaction didn't convince you that there were millions of people on that planet, Obi Wan's reaction confirmed it. The Expanded Universe tries to humanize Tarkin occasionally. It generally fails - even when he's having an affair with his Evil Redhead protege (who is, incidentally, the only person who can make him laugh...yes, Tarkin has a sense of humor), he still comes across as a Complete Monster with no redeeming qualities. This was a chilling example of the "Banality of Evil." Vader and Palpatine are just insane but Tarkin is an ordinary guy, no different from you or me, who is just doing his job. His job happens to be killing billions of innocent people.
 * The Expanded Universe has an even clearer Moral Event Horizon for Tarkin in his earlier days. He's captaining a ship sent to collect taxes from a planet. Some of the natives, protesting unjust taxation practices, stage a demonstration on the landing pad to prevent the ship from landing. Tarkin lands the ship anyway. On the landing pad. With the protesters still on the pad. According the expanded universe backstory, that's when the Rebel Alliance realize that they have to depose the Empire by force if they were willing to do crimes like that.
 * Similarly, Palpatine crosses the Moral Event Horizon in Revenge of the Sith, with "Order 66" which involves having his troops massacre the Jedi. You see various Jedi working WITH the troops, only for their trust to be betrayed when said troops take out their guns and begin blasting the Jedi away.
 * Right,because selling out your own home planet,causing millions to die,all for power certainly doesn't qualify
 * During the same movie Anakin comes VERY close to the horizon by . However, by Return of the Jedi, Anakin Skywalker (or Darth Vader) is a subversion of this trope. He had done many atrocities possible, killing millions of people. In fact, everyone (with the exception of Luke) thought that Vader was beyond redemption. Even Obi-Wan. Redemption Equals Death in this case though, and the expanded universe material is clear that he's only been redeemed in Luke's eyes (and Leia's, albeit only after she reads diaries made by her paternal grandmother that describe her father). However, at the end of Jedi his Force ghost is standing with Obi-Wan and Yoda as they watch the Ewok celebration, and they seem to be all smiles, as if there were no hard feelings between the three of them.
 * Mirrored in KoTOR. You might start off the game thinking "Malak is a Sith and thus evil. Yeah, sure, whatever." But when he orders the destruction of Taris' whole population by sustained orbital bombardment, all to kill one single woman, you know he's not screwing around.
 * You can pull one of your own
 * As an in-universe example, Carth clearly regards bombarding Telos to prove his loyalty to the Sith to mark this point for Admiral Saul Karath. It's hard to argue with him, really.
 * Saul's a bit of a Jerkass to start with, if you're into the comics. Also, using his last breath to screw with Carth's head? Yeah. Total jerk.
 * It's obvious from his first appearance that Captain Vidal of Pans Labyrinth is a very unpleasant man. At first, it almost seems a little too obvious. But there might have been a softer side lurking there somewhere. But after he crushed the skull of an innocent boy with a bottle and shot both him and his father with a mixture of boredom and vague pleasure, it was made clear how evil he was. Note, this is just when he crossed the horizon. He kept right on going. He's a moral Magellan, really.
 * To expand on the above, Vidal was interrogating a pair of civilians caught near his home, who claim to be simply out hunting rabbits. Vidal does not believe them, and suspects them of being rebels. He then kills them both, as described above. When he opens their bag and discovers that they were innocent rabbit hunters, he simply tells his men to search suspects better before wasting his time. Even though he's the most evil character in the film, he still doesn't like finding out he had killed innocent civilians and is upset with his own men because he didn't believe the suspects before killing them. But then he takes advantage of his discovery and steals the quarry his victims had bagged for dinner.
 * Mystery Men subverts this trope by having the protagonists accidentally commit the act that would solidify Casanova Frankensteins status as a Complete Monster by frying Captain Amazing with the psychofrakulator. Casanova still indirectly crosses the horizon when you understand that he plans to unleash the terrible device on all of Champion City.
 * Clu from Tron Legacy has his at varying parts in the movie, his first coming when he ordered  They just keep on getting more extreme until the final showdown on the bridge.   If Clu didn't cross the line by that point, he surely did after that.
 * [* John Wayne, in The Searchers ("Stand aside, Martin.") Words fail me...
 * Even though Ethan Edwards is a general bastard, he never crosses the horizon even though he has every right to, seeing as the Comanches utterly massacred his brother and sister-in-law, scalped them, RAPED HIS OLDEST NIECE TO DEATH, and then press-ganged his youngest niece into their tribe. But when it comes to the point where he's about to, he doesn't, showing that he wasn't wholly irredeemable.
 * Sam from Kidulthood. He bullies the lonely Katie and even instigates the "tough" girls into brutally beating her in front of the class (in the sequel Adulthood, it's stated that the bullying has gone on for years). After Sam harasses the broken Katie and promises to kill her the next day, Katie goes home and commits suicide. In the end of the film, he takes a baseball bat to a party and kills the protagonist Trife in front of his pregnant girlfriend.
 * Alex Forrest of Fatal Attraction loses all sympathy when she takes Dan's daughter's pet rabbit and boils it alive in the family's pressure cooker in a scene of pure Nightmare Fuel that coined the term "bunny boiler" for Yandere types in the West, and has since become a staple usage of bunnies in horror lit (for example, R.L. Stine's books).
 * This is parodied in the film Fatal Instinct when Ned comes home to find his pet skunk missing and a stock pot of boiling water on the stove. After the obligatory "NOOOO!", Lola Cain (the Alex Forrest character) informs him that YES!, it IS linguine pomodoro (with basil!)
 * And again parodied in an episode of Eek the Cat based on the movie, when Eek's girlfriend Annabell raises the lid on a pot of boiling water on the stove. After Annabell screams we discover it is indeed a rabbit, except he's just taking a hot bath and demands privacy.
 * For some viewers, Alex sacrifices any claim to sympathy earlier in the film, when she blows off a date with an unmarried guy to pursue the married Dan.
 * Warden Norton in The Shawshank Redemption is cold and corrupt, but not generally unreasonable. He even becomes somewhat chummy with hero Andy Dufresne after he begins doing financial work for the prison. But when he orders the death of Tommy to ensure that Andy will never have his name cleared, he crosses the point of no return. Then, just to be extra nasty, he throws Andy in the solitary confinement cell for two months just to break his spirit, which just makes it supremely awesome when Andy proves that his spirit is unbreakable.
 * In The Proposition, it's bad enough that Arthur murdered the Hopkins family (although deleted scenes show that Patrick survived), but when we learn that he raped a pregnant woman to death, we accept that yes, he's got to die, Affably Evil or not:

"Simon: I'm a soldier, not a monster. Though I sometimes work for monsters."
 * Similarly, Complete Monster Eden Fletcher decides to flog young Mikey to death. For the record, Mikey is a retarded 14-year old who is barely aware of his crime.
 * Alexander Nevsky: When the Teutonic Knights throw babies into a huge bonfire.
 * In The Night of the Hunter
 * In There Will Be Blood Daniel is never portrayed as a particularly good guy, coming off even to his financial backers as being cold and brutal, to the point that when his son is deafened by an oil rig explosion, Daniel has him sent away in the most Parental Abandonment-tacular way possible, so as not to interfere with business. We later learn that H.W. was sent to a school for the deaf, which is fine, but did Daniel really need to be so heartless about it? It's not until the end of the film that he crosses the line, when-.
 * If you sit down and think about it, it's worse than it seems.
 * This trope caused a scene to be removed from Back to the Future Part III. Originally, the movie was to have contained a scene where Buford Tannen, ancestor of Biff, shoots and kills Marshall Strickland in front of the lawman's son. According to screenwriter Bob Gale, the scene was removed because it was felt that after Buford is seen committing such a deed, it doesn't seem right that he not die (and of course, he can't die, seeing as he will need to live long enough to extend the family line).
 * The scene made it into the novelization of the movie, however. And the Marshall's son grew up with a strong sense of discipline, and made sure it got instilled in all his kids. So Buford just made life hell for all his descendants in general, and Biff in particular.
 * It's also referenced and possibly canonised in the Telltale Games sequel.
 * Biff himself definitely crosses it in Part II when he  after becoming rich through the Gray's Sports Almanac. Even though this is an alternate timeline that is later rectified, knowing that he even had the potential for it is enough. Thankfully, in the actual timeline he doesn't stoop to such lows.
 * Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street:
 * Judge Turpin, who is established as a dog-kicking machine after he has Benjamin Barker, who would become Sweeney Todd, sent away to Australia on a false charge so that he could have Lucy for himself, crosses the Moral Event Horizon during the "Poor Thing" sequence where he has the Beadle take Lucy to the Judge's place, where he has a masked ball in progress, and then proceeds to rape her once she's cornered and at his mercy. Then, as if that wasn't enough to make us hate him, we get a scene later on in the movie that has Turpin sentencing a little boy to death -- which was actually a stand-in for a much squickier scene that involves him getting...rather worked up over his sixteen-year-old ward Johanna, who he eventually decides to marry. And then, when Johanna won't go along with this and wants to marry Anthony? He has her thrown into a madhouse to spend some time among mad people.
 * Mrs. Lovett gets hers when she.
 * Hell, everyone crosses it at one point or another, even (as mentioned on the Film section of Complete Monster). Sweeney's actions are just more forgivable than the others', considering what the Judge had put him through.
 * Johnny Wong of Hard Boiled tops John Woo's other villains in terms of sheer nastiness with his conduct in the hospital sequence in the second half of the movie, with his willingness to gun down innocent patients that try to escape the hospital. His most despicable act was the massacre of a group of patients standing between him and Alan, which is only stopped when Mad Dog, his Dragon, blasts the Mini-Uzi right out of his hands and calls him on this psychotic move, which ultimately gets Mad Dog killed.
 * Burke in Aliens, when he tries to impregnate Ripley and Newt with alien embryos, so he can smuggle them through quarantine, and ultimately use them for bioweapons research. Even before that, he did the same thing with the colonists themselves.
 * When being interviewed on The Tonight Show, Paul Reiser (who played Burke) revealed that he took his parents to see the film - and when the scene came where his character was killed... his parents simply nodded their silent approval. Damn - if your parents want the character you're playing dead, you know he's passed the Moral Event Horizon.
 * While Captain Barbossa of the first Pirates of the Caribbean was still a bad guy, he was Affably Evil and he and his crew had enough interesting personality quirks to be likeable- even the brutal opening attack on the town doesn't keep him from being allowed to come back in later movies as a good guy. By contrast, the new Big Bad Cutler Beckett of the next two films, however, was an outright bastard and crossed the MEH around the time that he had a ten-year-old boy hanged for piracy or even just associating with pirates..
 * Blackbeard crossed this when he had Syrena tied up half in the water for a slow, painful death to extract a tear from her. Phillip, who before stated that everyone had some good in them, admits he was wrong and there is no chance of redemption for Blackbeard.
 * The destruction of the planet and most of its 6 billion inhabitants at the hands of the Romulan villain Nero and his crew avenging the death of their own planet in J.J. Abrams' Star Trek. The death of   as he helplessly reaches out for her just heightens the tragedy. What makes it worse is that he's getting revenge for something that 1) hasn't actually happened in this timeline and 2) wasn't Spock's fault in the first place, since he didn't do anything that harmed Romulus, simply arrived too late to save it. Nero's pretty clearly off the deep end.
 * The Villain Protagonist from Woody Allen's Match Point,
 * Match Point basically recycles its plot point from Crimes and Misdemeanors, with Judah (Martin Landau). His evilness is so cleverly hidden it takes you a while to realize what a Complete Monster he is, sometimes requiring a second viewing.
 * steps over the line in The Matrix with his betrayal of the Resistance. In exchange for permanent re-insertion into the Matrix, he tips off the Agents to the group's location and, after is beaten up and captured by Smith, he fries Dozer and Tank. Following that, he "pulls the plug" on 's Matrix lines, causing them to drop dead right in front of Neo and Trinity.
 * In The Spirit, The Octopus crosses the line with
 * Affably Evil gangster Sam in the Infernal Affairs films has his MEH moment towards the end of the second (first in internal chronology) film, when he lets his Thai buddies massacre the non-active-gangster members of the Ngai family, including an old woman and a small child.
 * In Cube Quentin grows steadily more hostile over the course of the film, but he doesn't make the full transition into becoming a genuine threat to the group until he.
 * If he hadn't crossed it already, Paul Giamatti's character in Shoot Em Up cements his status as a Complete Monster when he runs over what he believes to be the baby that Smith (Clive Owen) is protecting.
 * Well, by the time he shows up in the movie, we know Khan Singh is a bastard, if a magnificent one, especially if you've seen The Original Series. But when he starts putting worms in people's ears, you realize that perhaps he's kicked it up a notch on the Evulz scale; but you say to yourself that he's intelligent and charming and surely he can be reasoned with. But...when he listens to a minion kill himself and doesn't so much as blink, merely ordering the surviving minion to hurry up and carry out his orders, you realize this guy ain't coming back from the horizon.
 * Carlo Rizzi in The Godfather crosses the Moral Event Horizon when he . The Godfather Part II, meanwhile, was built around descent past the Horizon. He bottoms out when he . Interestingly, Tom Hagen averts this - he, but ensures him that his family will be protected.
 * Michael at least makes an ultra-serious effort to redeem himself in The Godfather Part III, but his past soon comes back to haunt him in the form of Andy Garcia...
 * General Chase crosses this mere minutes into Plunkett and Macleane. Likely to remove all sympathy for a man hunting outlaws, he proceeds to torture a dying man. Complete with Eye Scream.
 * Ivan Korshunov is the terrorist leader in Air Force One. While taking over the titular plane, some Secret Service agents are killed. That's bad, of course, but easily predicted. Korshunov then shoots the National Security Advisor Jack Doherty. That's worse, but to be fair, Doherty was an important government official. However, when Korshunov brutally executes Melanie the press secretary while broadcasting her pleas for mercy throughout the plane, he's crossed the line hard, and the audience is now getting impatient for this villain to get his.
 * Mr. Potter from It's A Wonderful Life does this by threatening to have George Bailey arrested for committing bank fraud, being short eight thousand dollars. This comes right after Mr. Potter accidentally comes into possession of this money, so he knows darn well what he's doing. Then, minutes later, George Bailey contemplates jumping off a bridge... If you think Mr. Potter has any chance of redemption after this, you've got some issues.
 * "Why George... You're worth more dead than alive."
 * There was a scene filmed in which Potter dies, presumably from a sudden heart attack, just in case the Hays Code censors invoked the anti-Karma Houdini clause.
 * Potter was bad, but Blue is even worse. Forging signatures approving of lobotomies for those who don't need them, !? Blue definitely makes Mr. Potter look like a small-time bank robber.
 * In Magnum Force, the second Dirty Harry movie cross the horizon when they   A more observant viewer could argue they cross the horizon earlier when
 * Goodfellas plays with the idea of the MEH with the character of Tommy. While Tommy is unquestionably evil, he doesn't quite seem to cross the Horizon when he kills Billy Batts. While clearly an over the top move, Batts declared he was a rapist in prison, and was looking to take over Jimmy's businesses, which is why Jimmy helped kill him, not to mention him going out of his way to insult Tommy to boot. Tommy does however launch himself miles over the MEH when he shoots Spider, a young associate, to death. Over a "Fuck off." no less!
 * In Ip Man, Colonel Sato loses any chance of being sympathetic when he . Even his superior, General Miura, doesn't take it well.
 * In the sequel, the Twister started off as a Jerkass already, but became irredeemable after  and then in the single most honest and realistic portrayal of western contempt for Chinese Warrior Culture ever committed to film, happily loudly mouths off how he is going to murder every Chinese Warrior in Hong Kong in the upcoming match held to clear his name.
 * In New Jack City Drug Lord Nino Brown was already a bastard, but during a hit on his life at a wedding, using a little girl as a human shield pushed him into Complete Monster territory.
 * In Batman Begins, the League of Shadows seems earlier on like a group that's dedicated to justice, even if their notion of what qualifies as justice seems rather warped.
 * In The Dark Knight, the Joker's likely crossed the line well before the movie began (if he didn't, he crossed it when he killed Rachel and followed it up by driving Harvey to madness). It's implied the mob crossed it when they.
 * In The Phantom The Movie, the Big Bad Xander Drax seems to be Affably Evil at first (being played by Treat Williams helps), but slides into Faux Affably Evil territory in the scene where he punishes a librarian who unwittingly leaked the research he was doing for Drax to a reporter. Drax has the hapless man examine something under a microscope...which has retractable blades hidden in the eyepieces. As the victim screams piteously in agony, Drax laughs, snaps his glasses in half, and says, "Well, won't be needing these anymore!"
 * Two possible ones for Hans Gruber: either when he kills Mr. Takagi when he refuses to tell him the password the the vault, or later on when he threatens John McClane's wife to get him to surrender.
 * The sequel ramps it up with Colonel Stuart,
 * And then subverted in the third film.


 * Initially, we can sympathize with Clyde Shelton's desire to kill Darby as vengence for killing his wife and kids. But then there's how he goes about it: paralyzing his body, taking him to his lab and chopping of his limbs with a chainsaw, making a video of this, and sending the video to Nick Rice.
 * It's hard to tell when Quaritch crosses this, but going from just being portrayed as a mentor earlier on to being portrayed as an irredeemable psychopath later on suggested that he must have crossed it during the movie. Here are some possible moments:
 * Willy Bank of Ocean's Thirteen was bad enough when he conned Reuben into using his connections to benefit the hotel/casino, and even worse when he threatened to have Reuben tossed off a roof if he didn't sign his partnership away. But when Reuben tells him "We've been around long enough, we both shook Sinatra's hand!" and Bank replies "Screw Sinatra's hand!", we know he deserves everything Danny and his crew are going to do to him for violating the code of honor among men that shook Sinatra's hand.
 * The men of Ward 3, in Blindness, have theirs when they
 * If Detective Hoffman didn't cross this by making one of Jigsaw's games a public display in Saw 3D, he did so when he.
 * In Batman Returns, the Penguin crossed the line after he had to ditch the mayor campaign and decided to kidnap all of Gotham's firstborn children, including the babies.
 * The brilliance of Penguin's character in Returns is that he was already on the other side of the line from the start of the movie. His reemergence into society, his attempts to gather census data on the populace of Gotham, all done from the start so he could identify and kill the first born children of every wealthy family in the city. It is even implied that he's already murdered children when he was a circus freak (I mean literally - as his job).
 * In the aussie movie Alexandra's Project, the titular woman's revenge on her husband for years of sexual objectification and financial control is completely and utterly out of proportion with the mistreatment she received, especially since she apparently didn't complain much about it beforehand, and that her "project" is far too elaborate and long-running to be the work of an irrational mind.
 * In Tombstone, Sherman McMasters, a member of "The Cowboys" outlaw group quits in disgust, enlisting the aid of Texas Jack Vermilion and Turkey Creek Jack Johnson, and tells Wyatt Earp that if he needs help, they're on his side. McMasters decided that, the leaders of the Cowboys, have crossed the Moral Event Horizon by ordering a (failed) hit on the Earps' wives.
 * Scorpio from the first Dirty Harry movie starts out sniping out his victims for fun, which is already pretty nasty stuff, but it gets worse when he
 * The remake of King Lear, 1000 Acres, jumps in with abandon. In the play, we feel bad for Lear, who loses everything to his conniving daughters and ends up alone in the wilderness. We then feel justification when they meet a wicked end later on. But in the movie, how can you feel bad for Larry for losing everything he loves and truck when he raped his two oldest daughters till they were too old to interest him? You just can't.
 * brutally killing in DOTM. Also,  in the same movie might have finally driven home the point that yes, the Decepticons really ARE evil.
 * In at least the novel,
 * Laserbeak:.
 * In The Third Man, there's
 * Peter Friedkin crosses it in Final Destination 5 when he takes Bludworth's warning to "kill or be killed" seriously by.
 * A somewhat unique example in that the film essentially revolves around this trope for a side character who is only sporadically followed after the initial bridge accident. His crawl into the Moral Event Horizon is He is an obvious side-protagonist to begin with, good-natured and only wanting to help everyone survive. But throughout the film, he begins to slowly snap after the violent death of his girlfriend, which causes him a strikingly slow gravitation toward the Despair Event Horizon and a feeling of injustice that he is utterly confused about what to do, feels hopeless and helpless without being able to picture a future for himself now, and he's the only person in the group willing to take the advice of Bludworth. As his turn to die comes closer, he
 * Tony Montana from Scarface may have crossed either this or the Despair Event Horizon when he unleashed his little friend on for getting too friendly with Gina, though he does subliminally regret the action toward the end of the film. Sosa's hitman, however, does cross the line by insisting on blowing up Gutierrez's wife and kids with him when they get into the same car he's driving. Tony takes offense and Pets The Dog in a spectacularly gory fashion at literally the last second.
 * Warden Drumgoole in Lock Up crosses it by keeping Frank Leone locked up beyond his sentence for the sole purpose of getting back at him for humiliating him all those years ago. And if simple revenge doesn't push him past the line, then wait until you see all the hell he has in store for Leone, and that Goddam electric chair!
 * Similar to Drumgoole is the Warden from Escape From Alcatraz who is hell-bent on systematically forcing his prisoners to walk the plank very slowly--and then jump into the Despair Event Horizon. He actually succeeds in doing so to Doc by inflicting Disproportionate Retribution over a simple painting of him. The poor guy then deliberately severs his own fingers afterward. That may have been cruel even by the Warden's standards, but he doesn't cross the MEH until he crushes one of Doc's chrysanthemums in front of the rest of the inmates, thus directly resulting in Litmus dying when he overexerts himself trying to retaliate on the spot. And then he adds insult to injury by reminding Frank Morris after Litmus's death that Alcatraz will very likely be his final resting place. Yep, we're talking Umbridge evil. And what makes it all the worse is that unlike Umbridge, he only gets away with three unaccounted-for prisoners (including Morris), who he quickly decides had drowned in their escape attempt, never knowing what may have really happened that night.
 * Sylvia Ganush in Drag Me to Hell establishes how evil she is when she condemns someone for stealing a necklace that was quickly returned to her, a reaction that would be understandable from someone like her if the thief wasn't 10 years old.
 * In Missing in Action 2: The Beginning, Colonel Yin loses all respect when he reveals with a headshot to one prisoner that he only used empty guns in previous "executions" to bluff the others into thinking he's bluffing when he tells a prisoner he'll kill him for crimes against Vietnam. The worst part about it is, by the time that poor guy's head gets blown off, all the prisoners were completely fooled. He loses what little respect he has left some time later when he betrays Braddock's trust by convincing him to confess his guilt against Vietnam so he can administer some medicine to Franklin only to poison him, and when Frankiln's all but dead Yin burns him alive on a funeral pyre as Braddock watches and yells for him to stop it.
 * Viktor in Underworld Rise of the Lycans crosses it when, with at stake, . And while the fact that he did regret that in the long run would normally disqualify it as a MEH, he then accuses Lucian of murdering  even though he was present and chained up to the point where he couldn't even TOUCH . Is it any wonder that you'd be polarized concerning the vampires and Lycans if you saw this installment in addition to one of the first two installments?
 * In Zombi 3D, General Morton, a Flat Earth Atheist, crosses this either when he conducts a search-and-destroy operation in a hotel where he discovers the horribly mutated remains of the one nutjob that escaped alive after two of them had tried to steal the Death One virus his scientists were working on (and were trying to find a cure for on moral grounds), simply to contain the virus (though given that he may not have had access to infection screening technology at the time, this being the '80s and all, said search-and-destroy operation would likely be excusable), or when he burns said nutjob over warnings from the same scientists about the environmental impact his actions could potentially have. If he crossed it with the latter action, the following five carelessly-chosen and Genre Blind words definitely pushed him over: "That's ridiculous, pure science fiction!"
 * Johns has two in Pitch Black. The first is when he steals the morfine from the crashed spaceship, so Fry's friend has to die in screaming agony. The second is when he suggests he and Riddick kill Jack and use her as bait for the creatures.
 * Limitless: NTZ is a drug that gives you Super Intelligence. Another secondary effect of NZT is to let the user ignore the Moral Event Horizon:
 * When Lindy takes NZT to escape from an assassin, she uses a little girl as an Improvised Weapon. When she is free of the effects, she doesn’t want anything to do with NZT or Eddie.
 * Any other user hooked on NZT is willingly enough to torture or kill for another dosis.
 * Kickboxer's Tong Po, no matter how much of a Badass he may be, definitively crosses this line with his physical and sexual brutalization of Mylee, Kurt Sloane's Love Interest, his way of reminding the viewers how much of a bastard he is and why one should root for Kurt to win the upcoming match with him.
 * At first, Professor Moriarty from Sherlock Holmes: A Game of Shadows comes across as an Affably Evil Worthy Opponent to Holmes, but any possible claim to playing fair is utterly destroyed when he announces his intent to make Watson collateral damage for no other reason than to hurt Holmes, and in the same breath reveals that he has already . And that's just the beginning; he speeds joyfully deeper into complete monster territory throughout the course of the movie. Disturbingly brutal torture is involved.
 * In Thor, Loki at first was given sympathetic motivations for his actions and seemed decent if a bit misguided. Then he goes to a recently-depowered Thor, who was undergoing a Heroic Blue Screen of Death when he realized he could no longer lift Mjolnir, and lies to him, telling him that their father Odin is dead from grief at Thor's actions and their mother forbade Thor from ever returning to Asgard. The kicker is that Thor, though devastated, thanks Loki for his troubles.
 * Kickboxer's Tong Po, no matter how much of a Badass he may be, definitively crosses this line with his physical and sexual brutalization of Mylee, Kurt Sloane's Love Interest, his way of reminding the viewers how much of a bastard he is and why one should root for Kurt to win the upcoming match with him.
 * At first, Professor Moriarty from Sherlock Holmes: A Game of Shadows comes across as an Affably Evil Worthy Opponent to Holmes, but any possible claim to playing fair is utterly destroyed when he announces his intent to make Watson collateral damage for no other reason than to hurt Holmes, and in the same breath reveals that he has already . And that's just the beginning; he speeds joyfully deeper into complete monster territory throughout the course of the movie. Disturbingly brutal torture is involved.
 * In Thor, Loki at first was given sympathetic motivations for his actions and seemed decent if a bit misguided. Then he goes to a recently-depowered Thor, who was undergoing a Heroic Blue Screen of Death when he realized he could no longer lift Mjolnir, and lies to him, telling him that their father Odin is dead from grief at Thor's actions and their mother forbade Thor from ever returning to Asgard. The kicker is that Thor, though devastated, thanks Loki for his troubles.