Special:Badtitle/NS90:Talk:Complete Monster/Batman Arkham Series/Examples that should remain here.


 * The Joker - While each game gives him an increasing number of pitiful moments and tragic elements to his character, none of them ever mitigate his homicidal malice and depravity, he never gains any truly redeeming qualities, and he never expresses any remorse for what he is and what he's done, wanting to have Batman and all of Gotham's attention and stay in the limelight as an icon of evil forever. His Freudian Excuse is both insufficient and blurry too, and he stands head and shoulders above all the other villains (except Scarecrow) in terms of the heinous standard.


 * The Penguin - He cannot surpass the Joker because he lacks Joker's resources and madness that makes him attempt larger scale atrocities, but he's well aware of this and resigned to still being as bad as he can personally manage to be with his own resources within his own scale. His talking up of Zsasz being a monster is not a case of standards, but again him acknowledging what he knows to be true about a Monster that likely out-Monsters himself. He still lacks redeeming features, is reviled and taken seriously by others, and commits objectively heinous deeds without any good excuse or justification. The only time he seems to show a redeeming quality is in a comic of dubious canonicity, and even then his anger was more about being humiliated by the Joker overreacting than true concern over the waitress the Joker killed. He has good business standards but no true moral standards.


 * Ferris Boyle - He operates on a smaller scale, but has enough resources and makes the most use of them in order to do serious damage within that scale, and also hits off the rest of trope's criteria just as much as his animated counterpart, if not moreso.


 * Hugo Strange - He's more of a borderline case for most of the game, being a Knight Templar who believes he's doing what needs to be done to protect and preserve Gotham, but by the end he's given himself so completely to his obsession that he's become completely evil and horrific in his actions, and lacking in any truly redemptive qualities.


 * Victor Zsasz - His mental illness is a bit more deliberating than his comics counterpart, but even then it takes a backseat to his genuine unbridled sadism and eagerness to hurt others, which combined with the huge body count he racks up as a solo criminal, his inadequate Freudian Excuse and flimsy rationale (he's ultimately too much of a coward to save himself from life's hardships via suicide and prefers homicide of innocent people as means of getting ecstasy), and the fact that everyone else views him as a repulsive creep seals his status as a contender for this trope.