Special:Badtitle/NS90:User talk:NoxiousSludge/Are we feeling better now?/reply (2)

I understand how that's like when personal issues effect your mood when dealing with stuff online, even if the attitude it ultimately uncalled for. I just hate that we had to clash like that since we've been working together well up until then. What the heck happened?

And please don't think I don't "get" why people might not find Ghetsis to be heinous enough to qualify as a CM - I get it. In terms of the baseline of objective heinousness, Ghetsis as presented in canon is more squarely in the middle with merely the potential to rise higher were he given a larger plot and thus a wider scale and bigger means to achieve his ends. There've been Pokemon villains with more horrific actions and intents, namely in Teams Galactic and Flare (I still REALLY wish they hadn't made Matt and Courtney of all people so heinous, especially if we're still expected to buy them as redeemable). But on this wiki, meeting the Complete Monster trope's qualifications come down to three criteria - actions and intents that are, even if not THE most heinous, at least objectively heinous by the standards of the setting/narrative/other characters, a lack of a valid excuse for this, AND no redeeming features, which naturally means no redemption. Extra points for if they're played seriously and are not liked by just about everyone in-universe. I've run Ghetsis through the criteria test many times over just to be extra sure, and he passes.

Also, just what candidate did you have in mind that you weren't up to mentioning?