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Lily Carnation, this evil, eldritch plant demon thing (It's never really explained what it truly is) that works alongside the movie's more active villain Baron Omatsuri. Together, they might just be among the most vile villains in the franchise, but the Baron himself has a few mitigating features that prevent him from qualifying. LC might, it might not, that's why I want to discuss it.

Basically, it's this plant monster that offered to bring back Baron Omatsuri's dead crew in the form of living plants affected by hallucinations as long as the baron delivers it power pirates to feast on. In order to preserve his memory of his fallen comrades, the baron has delivered it dozens of crews and eliminated most of them as offerings to sate the monster's appetite. It doesn't do a lot of active villainy (That's the baron's job as the Carnation is mostly immobile), but this thing is responsible for everything that went wrong during the movie's plot. If it helps, it's constantly attached to the Baron's shoulder in the form of a tiny, adorable avatar (until it reveals its true monster form during the climax) and supplies him with the arrows he uses to hunt down its prey (and even giggles maniacally as it helps him aim when they attack Robin). Plus, there's how it eats its prey: it slowly absorbs them in its huge true body's stalk and slowly kills them. Thankfully most of the Strawhats that are absorbed appear to be unconcious except Zoro, who seems fully aware of his predicament and appears to be wordlessly screaming. It also tries to kill a friendly pirate itself in its monster form.

I really, really want it to count, but there are two issues that may get in its way. First off, it's not really conversational. it has a clear personality: it acts cute, cheerful, and somewhat absent minded when it's putting up a facade, but downright creepy and maniacal when it and the Baron's true colors are revealed. It's just not the talkative type.

Plus, I'm a bit concerned that Omatsuri may outclass it in heinousness since he's the guy physically doing evil things. Since he's been driven mad by his crew being slaughtered, he wants other pirates to feel as lonely and hopeless as he is by luring pirates to his resort island, driving various crews apart through manipulation and sowing distrust between them, and killing them one by one, only to leave a broken final survivor that he allows to sink into despair before also killing. He's presented as so loathsome, that Luffy flat out kills him with his bare hands and even deals the killing blow in a way that is drawn similarly to the punch he used to cave in Saint Charloss's head in the anime (Basically, the colors are drained out and leave a demented mess of black and white). If it wasn't for the fact that the Baron loves his missing crew and deeply misses them, I'd propose him in a heartbeat.

So what are your thoughts? Does the Lily Carnation's eldritch nature and status as being more of a Bigger Bad hurt its chances? Or do you view it as a true example?