Special:Badtitle/NS90:Talk:Complete Monster/Disney/"Examples" that should NOT be seen here.


 * Chernabog from Fantasia - He may be The Devil but he doesn't do anything heinous with his limited screen time aside from reveling in his own evilness with all the legions of Hell before going back to sleep.


 * Man from Bambi - Absolutely zero characterization, thus no insight to his motivations. Killing Bambi's mom (who was just another deer to him) does not qualify him for this trope.


 * Lady Tremaine from Cinderella - Is insufficiently heinous, since her malice was mostly directed at one person. Also treats her real daughters and Lucifer fairly well, albeit conditionally.


 * The Queen of Hearts from Alice in Wonderland - Her orders for decapitation, like everything in Wonderland, is Played for Laughs, so don't even think about it.


 * Maleficent from Sleeping Beauty - While it's entirely possible she was one, we never saw her commit much on-screen atrocities in the story itself. Aside from cursing baby Aurora, she engaged in Kick the Dog and generic villainy.


 * Cruella Deville from 101 Dalmations (animated) - Is a Laughably Evil Jerkass, and while her villainy is directed at 99 puppies, that's still not sufficiently heinous to go beyond mere villainy.


 * Shere Khan from The Jungle Book - He has plausible reason for his hatred of man (forest fires and hunting), is Affably Evil and not sufficiently heinous enough to qualify. In fact, he's actually looked at as being redeemable by Disney staff members, which might explain his Tale Spin incarnation's redeeming qualities.


 * Edgar from The Aristocats - Yes, he actually was cited as one once in the film's YMMV, and even there, everyone pointed out he was among the least monstrous Disney Villains out there.


 * Madame Medusa from The Rescuers - Fails to measure up to McLeach in heinousness, and despite her behavior being truly deplorable, the work itself doesn't treat her with nearly enough seriousness.


 * Professor Ratigan from The Great Mouse Detective - "The widows and orphans he drowned" was off-screen, so the worst he does on-screen is feeding Bartholomew to Felicia and trying to kill Basil, which isn't enough to qualify him. He's also way too camp to be played too seriously.


 * Ursula from The Little Mermaid - She genuinely cared about Flotsam and Jetsam, being devastated when they got killed.


 * Gaston from Beauty And The Beast - He borders on CM territory only at the end, which is enough time for him to do only one despicable act against one person before he's killed off. He's also a Villain with Good Publicity, which casts doubt on "other characters show fear, hatred, and revulsion" criteria. His attempts at wooing Belle never reached full-on rape, and Belle's You Monster! line doesn't qualify him.


 * Jafar from Aladdin - He has a decent relationship with Iago until Iago turns on him first in the sequel. And like Ratigan, he's far too camp for his evil to be played too seriously.


 * Oogie Boogie from The Nightmare Before Christmas - He might have qualified were he seen more, but limited screen time makes him almost a Generic Doomsday Villain were it not for his personality, and being made of bugs makes his moral agency questionable.


 * Ratcliffe from Pocahontas - Barely scratches the surface of the heinous standard, since his worst act is shooting one person in an attempt to shoot another person.


 * Hades from Hercules - If anyone even considers this blatantly farcical comedic villain an example of this trope, I swear I'm gonna...


 * Clayton from Tarzan - Is only slightly more heinous than Ratcliffe, but fails due to similar reasons. The spin-off series also gave him a sister with whom he was supposedly very close.


 * The Fire Bird from Fantasia 2000 - Is a force of nature symbolizing death and destruction, and cannot do anything but spread that death and destruction. No moral agency at all.


 * Scroop from Treasure Planet - As with Maleficent, him as this trope is a valid interpretation, but he didn't do enough heinous deeds on-screen to be comparable to the other monsters of the animated canon.


 * Dr. Facilier from The Princess and The Frog - Has a mildly sympathetic quality in his motives (he's tired of being low class and underprivileged) and is seen in a positive way by virtue of being "very charismatic." The worst act he actually accomplishes is killing a firefly whom he just sees as a pest in his way.


 * Mother Gothel from Tangled - Also has a mildly sympathetic quality in her motives (she doesn't want to grow old and die), Rapunzel still has concern for her even as she's dying, and she's been confirmed to have loved Rapunzel, albeit as a possession, in a selfish, conditional way that completely objectifies her, but that's still a quality that would lead to her trying to protect Rapunzel if she could.


 * Prince Hans from Frozen - Has positive features and Pet the Dog moments (even if some of them ring false by the end), his actions until attempting to kill Anna and Elsa are insufficiently heinous, and it's been confirmed that he does indeed have the possibility of redemption.


 * Yokai from Big Hero 6 - Considering his true identity and what motivated him, not to mention his look of remorse in his last scene, his status as not qualifying shouldn't even be in question.


 * Dawn Bellwether from Zootopia - She only truly crosses the line once by turning predators into killing machines via a Psycho Serum in hopes of starting a small scale race war, but otherwise she fails the heinous standard in her individual actions, has some ambiguously mitigating qualities, and is taken rather lightly to the point where the narrative deems her merely getting caught and convicted to be a suitable fate for her.


 * Randall Boggs from Monsters Inc. - Insufficiently heinous, his terribleness not always played seriously, and was theoretically redeemable given his past in Monsters University.


 * Henry J. Waternoose from Monsters Inc. - Was a Well-Intentioned Extremist who genuinely was friends with Sully, showing redeeming qualities and Pet the Dog moments.


 * AUTO from Wall-E - Questionable moral agency, being a rogue A.I. Also never did anything sufficiently heinous enough beyond generic villainy.


 * Charles Muntz from Up - Has literal Pet the Dog moments and an adequate Freudian Excuse that has left him totally out of his mind, thus morally impaired.


 * Miles Axelrod from Cars 2 - Insufficiently heinous and Played for Laughs quite often.


 * Mor'du from Brave - Questionable moral agency, no sufficiently heinous actions, and is both a Tragic Monster and implied Death Seeker.


 * Zira from The Lion King 2: Simba's Pride - Had love for her children despite her poor treatment of them, implied to have loved Scar, and is painted as a Tragic Villain in the end. She also fails to be as heinous as Scar.


 * Sarouche from The Hunchback Of Notre Dame 2 - Completely and utterly fails the heinous standard compared to Judge freaking Frollo.


 * Mirage from Aladdin: The Series - Insufficiently heinous, thus making her "evil incarnate" status an Informed Attribute, is quite possibly Made of Evil, and Fasir claims that she was once in a loving relationship with him and believes that redemption is possible for her one day.


 * Sa'Luk from Aladdin and the King of Thieves - While closer to the mark than other examples, he ultimately failed to reach beyond standard animated villainy. Also, his previous entry was TERRIBLE.


 * John OldCastle from Gargoyles - Was only cited for one cruel thing he did, but his raising of Dingo could be seen as a decent quality. Also his arc hadn't ended or even really got going aside from that one flashback. And he's Falstaff - do you really see him as a monster?


 * Gideon Gleeful from Gravity Falls - Is insufficiently heinous by the show's standards (he only ever attempted to kill Dipper), had more than one occasion where the narrative and characters took him lightly and his behavior was Played For Laughs, and he undergoes something of a Heel Face Turn in the finale, helping to save Mabel and also having bonded closely with his fellow prison inmates.


 * Preston Northwest from Gravity Falls - While one of the more heinous characters on the show whose actions could have led to the deaths of hundreds, he's ultimately a big fish in a small pond, is far eclipsed by Bill by the finale, and does show some love for his family, even encouraging his daughter to touch Old Man McGucket's hand even when no other Northwest would ever do that. Plus some of his Black Comedy moments (suggesting they cannibalize their butler) are Played For Laughs.


 * Darlene from Gravity Falls - While she's a nasty Serial Killer with an on-screen body count, moments with her get frequently Played For Laughs to the point where the narrative deems a light punishment of her getting squashed beneath a statue's foot but still alive to be a suitable comeuppance, even when she states that she'll live on to trap, kill, and eat more men.


 * Any villain from Kim Possible - None of them are sufficiently heinous or irredeemable enough to count. Not Monkey Fist, not the aliens, and especially not Erik, who was a programmed pawn of Drakken's plan.


 * Penelope from Sonny With A Chance - Is mostly Played for Laughs aside from her one really horrific action, and is in love with Chad.


 * Merlock from Duck Tales - His atrocities were entirely off-screen, so what we see of him on-screen is not sufficiently heinous enough to qualify him.


 * The Huntsclan from American Dragon Jake Long - Groups as wholes cannot qualify for this trope. Only the leader can.


 * The Tracker and Prince Phobos from W.I.T.C.H - The Tracker was Generic Doomsday Villain incarnate, and Phobos showed some positive qualities in the second season.


 * Evil Buzz and NOS-4-A2 from Buzz Lightyear of Star Command - Both are Made of Evil. The former is hardly heinous beyond dog-kicking. Again, the old entry was awful.


 * The Nome King - While his actions are sufficiently heinous, he has some notable mitigating features like a valid motivation for his evildoing, a vaguely sympathetic goal (to become a human and leave the mountain he's stuck in), and has a Pet the Dog moment in the sympathy he shows Dorothy before getting her to play his game. He also fails to be as downright evil as Princess Mombi or Nurse Wilson, or even his real world counterpart Dr. Worley!


 * The MCP and CLU 2 from Tron - Questionable moral agency. Both are examples of artificial intelligence gone rogue, and going rogue while believing to be doing what they were programmed to do. While a case could be made for CLU entering this trope's territory, his Freudian Excuse for going rogue in the first place is actually a very adequate one, and he seems incapable of understanding what he's doing wrong, thus why he feels betrayed by his "father."


 * The Mad Doctor and the Shadow Blot from Epic Mickey - The former, unlike his cartoon counterpart, was redeemable in Epic Mickey 2 while the latter was Made of Evil and lacking in character.