Special:Badtitle/NS90:User talk:NoxiousSludge/Seriously, do NOT.../reply (4)

I don't mean to be pissy or overly passionate here: things like this just give me some anxiety issues and severe irritation, especially since it's one of the things I'd hoped to avoid here on ATT, which is the reason we have different criteria for who and what does pass for this trope.

The issue we're having is actually "does this guy belong on a trope along with villains who've done more heinous deeds, especially when some other villains who've done more heinous deeds did NOT pass the trope yet he did?" Why I think this issue is irrelevant is that the trope as defined by ATT is not merely about villains who've committed acts of large-scale widespread heinousness, or who meet a baseline of heinousness by objective standards. It's about villains who hit off the criteria given in the very definition. Ghetsis hits them off, therefore he's a keeper.

I could theoretically write up an entire effort post about why Ghetsis qualifies but don't think I should do that now. But Ghetsis' status wasn't in dispute until Noxious decided he wasn't so heinous all of a sudden. However, the majority of the fanbase still views him as a CM and he fills this wiki's requirement for being a CM on the main trope page. As for you, Geth, why do you hold the belief that he should remain? Definitely not disputing it since I feel the same way, but what about him do you find so heinous? (For me, it's because he's an entitled and power-hungry sociopath, an exploiter, a torturer, a terrorist, an aspiring dictator, an attempted murderer, and an abuser of children, creatures, and people in general, on top of that having no redeeming features.)