Knights of the Old Republic (video game)/YMMV


 * Alas, Poor Villain: in the first game,  in the second.
 * Alternative Character Interpretation: The second game makes you think about the first game and what Revan's real motivations were.
 * Anticlimax Boss:  in the second game can be one. Sure, she hovers three lightsabres in front of you, but all you have to do is sidestep them, then hit her a few times. It really depends on how much you've leveled yourself by the time you get there. Her health is three times yours, and at higher levels that's a number reaching up to 1000. Still, her floating lightsabers aren't that tough. Nihilus counts, too. For a guy touted as an utter monster, a decently equipped party will tear him apart in under a minute.
 * Base Breaker: Most fans either adore Carth to pieces or outright loathe him.
 * Broken Base:
 * The MMO coming out instead of a third single-player game. Cue cries of " Ruined FOREVER!" as soon as the announcement was made.
 * KotOR II as a whole. It is often considered to be either a horribly incomplete mess, or a sufficiently awesome sequel; perhaps better than its predecessor.
 * Some of the people who criticize the game even say that it could have been better than KotOR if Obsidian was actually given enough time to finish the game.
 * Canon Sue: Revan is frequently praised by allies and enemies alike. It makes a fan wonder who he really was not as a Sith, or a Jedi, or a leader, but as a man.
 * Complete Monster:
 * Saul Karath betrayed the Republic he had fought for during the Mandalorian Wars and bombed an entire planet just to prove his loyalties. As if this wasn't enough, he also tortures you, Carth and Bastila regardless of how you answer his questions, just because he can.
 * Chuundar having his brother exiled, inviting Czerka to set up shop on his home planet, and selling his own people into slavery. What else is that he isn't affiliated with the Sith.
 * Darth Nihilus in the sequel. He devours whole planets without a second thought. It is implied that he is so far gone beyond humanity that he is closer to an Eldritch Abomination.
 * In the second game, HK-47 heavily implies that Revan was one of these long before the Jedi Civil War. For being lauded as a charismatic and inspiring leader by many, it's rather jarring being told (by his top assassin droid) that Revan specifically used Malachor V to 'clean the house'; he sent the troops that he didn't like to horribly die there, or be so broken and traumatized that they'd be quick to convert to his cause.
 * And in both games, the player character can be played as one, if you play a Dark Side character.
 * Critical Backlash: Some people actually didn't find the Peragus level that bad.
 * Demonic Spiders:
 * The terentatek. To wit, they almost never miss, even if you have a high defense, hit hard enough to kill your character in about five hits, have a chance at Force pushing you, poisoning you, and are resistant (but thankfully not immune) to Force powers.
 * The Guardian Droids in the ruins on Dantooine. Their defense is so high that your party will miss two out of three times, and even if they do hit it might just bounce off. They use stunning moves in addition to fairly accurate blaster fire. Finally, they have an abnormally high save rate (for droids), meaning Droid Stun will only work occasionally. This is another instance where grenades make the fight infinitely easier... if you still have ion grenades.
 * Strangly, their high defense is against energy attacks. Their defense against physical attacks is significantly lower. So if the player saved a couple of their old vibroblades...
 * Disappointing Last Level: The first game as it ends on a level of Cut and Paste Environments with lots of pointless combat (more than the rest of the game even!). The second game is also a major offender, with its last act that is missing most of its content (and sense) thanks to Executive Meddling.
 * Draco in Leather Pants: Arguably, Darth Revan.
 * Ensemble Darkhorse:
 * Assessment: HK-47 is far more interesting than any meatbag.
 * Jolee Bindo.
 * Several fans wanted Luxa as a squadmate or an NPC-type ally, despite her limited screen time.
 * Esoteric Happy Ending:
 * Fix Fic: The second game in a nutshell.
 * Game Breaker:
 * The Weapon Master prestige class.
 * Any high enough party with at least a Jedi Player Character and one Jedi follower.
 * The "destroy droid" spell against any hostile droid.
 * God Mode Sue: Without a doubt, Revan qualifies for this, especially . Absolutely everyone, friend or foe, speaks of how great he is in some regard, whether it be his limitless charisma, superb leadership, phenomenal abilities in battle, his vast militaristic knowledge, etc. Even Mandalorians, who Revan nearly made extinct, will praise him (especially Canderous). The Exile qualifies with her being able to defeat a world eater (who also qualifies for this), an immortal and a person cunning enough to manipulate absolutely everyone in the game, be they good, bad, neutral or unsure.
 * It Was His Sled:
 * Jerkass Woobie: Hanharr.
 * Keep Circulating the Tapes: Second game. Knights of the Old Republic is available on Steam and Direct 2 Drive. Good luck finding TSL anywhere except Ebay and possibly Amazon.
 * Loophole Abuse: The easiest way to win the final training battle with the Handmaiden sisters in the second game. They do ridiculous damage and will kill most players in a fair fight. To win, you have to trick them into backing off of the mat (thereby disqualifying themselves) by walking up to them. This causes the AI to back up so it'll be in attack position, which you can repeat infinitely. Just be sure to keep those melee shields charged.
 * Magnificent Bastard: is KotOR's Emperor Palpatine. Revan is retconned into one. Everything in the Jedi Civil War was as he foresaw. Right up until, uh, everything went to Hell.
 * Mary Tzu: Revan.
 * Memetic Badass:
 * Among many fans, Revan can beat anyone. Anyone. Just google Revan into Google Images, and you will get at least 5 Demotivational posters saying "Revan. Because Vader was a pansy."
 * In The Old Republic MMO forums, the Star Wars Discussion forum is filled with "Revan vs. X" threads. Just to dethrone his status as a Memetic Badass, there are multiple polls of "Revan vs. Palpatine" or some ridiculous fight he cannot win, one of the most unfair ones being "Revan vs. The Emperor of Mankind". The fans decided that Revan would win.
 * HK-47
 * Calo Nord. "Go away. One... Two... smart."
 * Memetic Mutation: In the sequel: "APATHY IS DEATH."
 * Moral Event Horizon: Dark Side characters can choose to do this.  is probably the worst example. As far as villains go: "Wipe this pathetic planet from the face of the galaxy." Some context: The villain's Mooks have not been able to find one person who crashed in an escape pod down in the lower levels of the planet. So he orders the ENTIRE PLANET RAZED.
 * Most Annoying Sound:
 * The screeching of the tach on Kashyyyk, particularly when you're trying to concentrate on what Jolee Bindo is saying to you by his home and the noisy little bastards keep drowning him out.
 * Bao-dur's remote. If you tell it to stop moving, it will make an annoying series of beeps and won't freaking stop until you let it move around again.
 * Reality Is Unrealistic: Disciple is often accused of being a Fake Brit, but his voice actor, Greg Ellis, is actually British.
 * Retroactive Recognition:
 * As hard as it is believe now, Saul Karath became Zaeed Massani, Murdock, and Harrowmont.
 * Carth acting as your voice of conscience is also pretty Hilarious in Hindsight, considering his role in Once Upon a Time.
 * Smug Snake: The games are filled with these:
 * Mission's brother, Griff, who is not so much evil as a scumbag.
 * Jedi Master Atris.
 * Visquis the wannabe crime boss.
 * Saul Karath.
 * That One Boss: In the sequel, Vrook or Zez-Kai Ell on the Dark Side path, whichever you fight first.
 * That One Level: The endgame of Nar Shaddaa, which is deeply in love with forcing one- or two-person teams of PCs to deal with obstacles that would be challenging for the party as a whole. And many of said challenges are immediately preceded by long cutscenes with no autosave afterwards, potentially forcing the player to sit through them repeatedly.
 * The Scrappy: Disciple is often compared unfavorably to both the Handmaiden (who he replaces as a party member if the Exile is female) and Atton (as the two possible love interests for a female Exile), since he is not as well-developed or dynamic a character as either.
 * Tier-Induced Scrappy: In addition to the above, gameplay wise he's a much weaker character and the bonuses (very minor compared to the handmaidens wisdom to AC) he give are far inferior to what Handmaiden can give.
 * Stupid Evil:
 * Dark Side actions in both games thrives on this.
 * Malak. He not to make a point/example to the Republic, but because.
 * The Woobie: Juhani, very much so. The very first time you talk to her, you want to comfort her and reassure her that her life isn't over because of one mistake. That's before you learn all the rest: the details of her traumatic childhood, how she had trouble making friends when she joined the Jedi Order and spent time mostly by herself, and how one of the few friends she did make had his heart broken after he confessed his love for her and that she feels terrible about how much it hurt him to hear that she didn't share his feelings . It's difficult to imagine anybody not wanting to hug her, tell her that everything's going to be all right, that things will be better from now on, and that not everything she feels guilty about is her fault.
 * Jerkass Woobie: If anyone doesn't want to hug the saddened girl, it probably would be because of her tendency to act like a bitch.
 * They Changed It, Now It Sucks: Fan reaction to the news that the next "Old Republic" game will be a MMORPG.