Special:Badtitle/NS90:Talk:Complete Monster/Naruto/Examples that should remain here.


 * Orochimaru - His case is very similar to Mayuri Kurostuchi in that his characterization as it was initially written was very much in line with the trope's criteria up until his apparent death at Sasuke's hands, though even when he came back and pulled an Enemy Mine, he lacked any actual redeeming features or desire to truly make amends for his many atrocities. The Gaiden and Boruto movie then cemented that he'd reformed and drastically changed his characterization, status in the narrative, and relationships with other characters. Regarding this as a case of Characterization Marches On, Orochimaru from the bulk of the main series is still very much a keeper.
 * Hidan - He supposedly has some code of standards concerning children, but this is from an Akatsuki Gaiden and never really materialized into the main series itself, so what we're left with is a violent, amoral character who has no seriously mitigating factors to him, no redeeming qualities, no Freudian Excuse, and a rap sheet of particularly heinous actions that put him firmly in this trope's territory.


 * Madara Uchiha - His claims of wanting to bring about a world where all surviving ninja are on an equal level is a self justification for him being a sore loser over not being better than others, and it rings hollow when you consider that he'd be reigning supreme, thus above everyone else. His Freudian Excuse is not sufficient enough to justify the lengths he takes, he's sadistic and psychotic beyond any mitigating features (his honorable qualities are things that were passed down and taught to him rather than a part of his natural characteristics), is feared and hated by other characters, and is responsible for much of the series' major conflicts. And in the end, whether or not he's truly repentant and willing to embrace friendship with Hashirama is left ambiguous. He is perhaps more of a borderline Monster, but hits off enough criteria to make it to the trope page.


 * Tobi - As covered below, the character of "good Obito" and "Tobi/Madara!Obito, or evil Obito" have such a disconnect in the way he/they was written that it does not feel consistently like the same character. Not only is Tobi sufficiently in line with the trope's criteria in a way that's akin to Superboy Prime, but he actually ignores the sorrow and remorse he starts to feel and refuses to redeem himself by choice even when Naruto offers him the chance to: he had to get forcibly turned back to good by Naruto. If he was essentially Mind Raped back to his old self, the "redemption" rings hollow. His Freudian Excuse also had no weight or sufficiency when stacked against his current character, actions, and objectives, since he was trying to massacre the entire world in order to replace it with a dream reality specially tailored for him, and even admitted that he didn't give a damn about the true Rin that he'd once loved anymore - only his vision of Rin that he lusted after and who'd love him back. Therefore his display of regret and true love for Rin were completely contrary to what we'd been shown of him up to that point, and absolving him off all responsibility and culpability in his crimes that he consciously chose to commit because "oh, it was all Madara's plan!" was incredibly lazy and forced of Kishimoto, especially since even if he was a pawn, he seemed nowhere near "unwitting" about it. So prior to his forced Heel Face Turn, evil Obito was very much in Complete Monster territory and thus stays here on this wiki.