Final Fantasy XIII-2/Headscratchers

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  • So what is the exact nature of the relationship between Caius and Yeul?
    • It's familial more than anything. Caius is the closest thing Yeul has to a consistent parental figure throughout all of her reincarnations, and Caius cares for Yeul as her sworn guardian.
  • Where were the Farseers between the War of Transgression and the Fall? Were they on Pulse in an area you just couldn't go in FFXIII? Or did they immigrate to Cocoon and then move (back) to Pulse with the rest of the Cocoonians during the Fall? Any evidence either way?
  • How exactly does changing something in the future change the past? If the game explained it, I missed it.
    • It seems to work the same way Spider-Man Edge of Time did. In that game, whenever Spider-Man 2099 changed something in the future, it would affect Amazing Spider-Man's present, and vice-versa, it's called Quantum Causality.
    • Yeah. It is briefly explained because of Yeul. When something changes in the future, a Yeul in the past has a different vision. If many changes happen, Yeul dies earlier than she originally had. Also, if the Oracle Drive prophecies change, such as they did when Serah yelled at Hope while fighting Adam, then the people viewing them see a different vision and come to different conclusions. All the same, it's probably best not to think about it too hard.
      • There are two ways it's accomplished, though this troper still thinks it makes only half-sense. The first is detailed above, and requires affecting people and things in the past which could SEE the future, thus changing their reactions to it in the past. The other way is explained in one of the versions of Yaschas Massif, and basically says that, when you change the future via Paradoxes, the past that lead TO that future has to change accordingly to match up to the "new" future you've created. Essentially, it's reversing causality.
      • In some cases, things were falling into the past from the future, and Noel and Serah stopped it, thus changing the past.
  • How could the giant flan disintegrate the crystal pillar from the Sunleth Waterscape? The Waterscape is inside Cocoon, it's not like the flan is disintegrating the pillar from the surface of Gran Pulse...
    • The crystal pillar holding up coccoon is connected both to the ground of Gran Pulse and anchored to Coccoon itself. If the Royal Ripeness destroys the point where the pillar is connected to Coccoon, then it will fall just the same. Note that in the images of the prophecy of Coccoon-fall, the pillar itself doesn't collapse, Coccoon simply falls from atop it and crushes the pillar on the way down.
  • The Downer Ending makes Aerith's death seem like It's the Best Whatever Ever!... it's like ending VII when Cloud falls into the Lifestream after giving Sephiroth the Black Materia, or VI after Kefka blows up the planet. So I ask, what was the point of the plot and character developments accomplished in FFXIII and FFXIII-2 if everyone dies and the villain wins?!? I'll admit, it's a first for Square, though.
    • Probably because the story isn't over yet. We'll just have to wait and see what new news will bring. After all, Squeenix did register the domain name for finalfantasyxiii-3.com...
    • It's not a first. Did you forget that FFVII ended on a similar note? Before the sequels started rolling out, the last thing we knew about Cloud & Co was their world being impacted by the meteor, and that in 500 years Midgar would be devoid of humans...
  • In the ending, Noel kills Caius, and by extension the goddess Etro, which is what kicks off the Downer Ending. Now, for anyone who saw the secret ending, Caius is still alive, implied that there are several alternate incarnations along the timeline. This raises several questions. First, if the timeline collapsed due to Caius' death, wouldn't all of the alternate versions die with him, along with the alternate timelines? Second, if Caius came back, wouldn't Serah be able to as well, since the laws of life and death no longer apply? (Keeping in mind that Caius died before Serah.) And third, if Caius IS back, wouldn't Etro also be back, since his living is directly linked with the goddess, since they share the same heart (in a way)? Also, if there are several Caiuses, then there would be several Etro hearts, which would mean several Etro's, meaning she could never really die unless ALL the versons of Caius died. Maybe. Just throwing it out there.
    • It's pretty clear from what Caius says that Caius is somehow alive without Etro.
  • Where DID Snow get his new l'Cie brand from? It's a Pulse brand I know, but what fal'Cie actually cared enough to brand him? What timeline did that happen in? Just bothers me that they never touched on it after he went poof.
    • Betcha there'll be Snow DLC and that'll be a major plot point.
  • How come when Caius died by Noel's sword, Noel didn't obtain the Heart of Chaos?. Was it because he didn't actively kill him since Caius stabbed himself and hence didn't actually obtain the right to wield it? There is the Paradox Ending Heir of Chaos but still ...
    • Similarly, considering how Valhalla is a land where life and death have no meaning, how can Caius die at all?
  • Did they ever explain how or why Serah and Noel teleported while fighting Atlas? It wasn't addressed and is never mentioned again as far as I can remember.
  • So why did Serah change clothes in the beginning of the game? I mean, I know schoolgirl clothes wouldn't really fit in a journey, but was it just a paradox?
  • Can someone explain why, on arriving in Academia 400 AF, Proto Fal'Cie Adam didn't just change Serah and Noel into Ci'eth, rather than EVERYONE AROUND THEM? Seems like it would have been much easier...

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