Kirby/Headscratchers

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  • In Epic Yarn, the lack of Kirby's inhale ability is nicely explained. But how, then, can he still eat? The same logic should apply. He even got upset with Prince Fluff over that apple tree incident, when the Yarn-world inhabitants should have no need to eat period!
    • Perhaps the magic that keeps Patch Land the way it is doesn't "mesh" with the magic that gives Kirby his powers of inhalation.
  • So does Dedede actually rule over anywhere?
    • In Brawl, Roy Campbell actually points out, "He's the ruler of Dream Land, or so he says".
    • I think that he's rich enough to own a castle on Popstar, and hire some creatures as a personal army, but his reign is really all in his head.
      • Like the King Of Town?
        • Kind of, except Kirby's the one known for non-stop eating.
          • His in-game description in Kirby's Air Ride also mentions, "Is he really a king?".
          • No, Dedede's a worse glutton than Kirby. Remember, the plot of the very first Kirby game was Dedede stealing all the food on the entire planet as "taxes" so he could have a ginormous picnic. He pretty much is the King of Town.
    • Considering the original Dream Land plot involved King Dedede stealing all the food, I doubt he rules over anything but his own castle. In the anime, he does rule over the town, but it doesn't seem to be a legitimate rule. More like "obey me, or else". Which makes Kirby's presence all the more inconvenient for him.
    • Maybe whether or not Dedede is a king is for you to decide, kind of like a Noodle Incident.
    • I personally believe that King Dedede commands the loyalty of his Waddle Dee army by giving them food, and all his other kingly flairs come naturally from this - they helped build his castle, spread his "rule" throughout the land by sheer numbers, etc. etc. - But it's pretty clear that he's not Dream Land's king in any sense of the word, as his Melee trophy outright states that he performs no administrative duties whatsoever. The peaceful Dream Land probably has no need for a ruler and its citizens just oblige Dedede's delusion to keep on his good side.
      • Exposition for the anime does indeed state that Waddle Dees settle down where someone gives them food. Now all I'm wondering is how Dedede was convinced to give up so much food to what was probably at the time just a wandering flock of critters.
      • It was that clever Escargoon, and his friend, Waddle Doo.
        • In one episode, it was stated that the Cappies (the things with the mushroom hats) had control over Dream Land's government for centuries, much to Dedede's annoyance. In order to prove he was really a king, Dedede went so far as to plant false archeological evidence that his ancestors were kings!
        • I think in the anime his power mostly comes from his independent wealth, and the backing of Holy Nightmare Corporation, who probably use this model to influence thousands of worlds.
    • Perhaps he was a king of a sort at some point, but over time his edicts became idiotic enough that everyone stopped listening to him and never bothered to tell him. It was the quietest revolution in history.
  • Is anyone else kind of annoyed by how some people think every single villain in the series is some subsidiary of the Dark Matter? I understand that yes, Zero/02 is pretty much the biggest evil in that universe, but not everything was caused by him. We have the villains who were obviously part of the Dark Matter: that singular swordsman Dark Matter in KDL2, the Dark Matter drone and Zero in KDL3, and then 02 in K64. They're the definite ones. Then there's Drawcia, who made a deal with Zero to give herself power, and then when Kirby defeated her, Zero decided "fuck it" and took over for a moment to have another shot at Kirby. That's canon too. Here we move into the slightly dubious ones, like Dark Mind and Dark Nebula. Dark Mind is probably the Mirror World counterpart of Zero, so that makes sense, and Dark Nebula could be some offshoot of the Dark Matter? But that's it! It gets really annoying when people try to claim that villains like Marx are part of the Dark Matter. There's no link between them whatsoever, and it's the same with Magolor. He wasn't possessed by Dark Matter, he was possessed by the Crown, and it was puppeting his body. Is anyone else irked by that?
    • Nightmare is also not connected, but equally annoying is that the show made Dark Matter Nightmare's minion, a throwaway minion! Marx is not connected and it is strange people try. Super Star was better received in sales and reviews than the Dark Matter trilogy but Dark Matter to Zero 2 are the most nightmarish monsters to be bosses, and a subsection of the fandom is always gushing about Kirby defeating nightmarish abominations. Maybe they try to tie Dark Matter/Zero into everything to justify is status as a monster worth gushing about? It would probably be better if Dark Matter had a proper return and more villains were designed to stand alone, unconnected to it. Drawcia, Dark Nebula and Dark Mind kind of rob Dark Matter of its mystique.
    • Also Void Termina, who's implied to have created Zero.
  • Was Meta Knight under the influence of Dark Matter during the Revenge of Meta Knight storyline in Kirby Super Star or he's just actually evil?
    • I think it was more of a Well-Intentioned Extremist type of thing, he figured that Dream Land would be better off with him in charge. I mean, look at their current leader.
      • It was never stated anywhere that Dedede rules Dreamland or that he has any sort of political power. Going by his description on Smash Bros.com, his "rule" is probably all in his head. That, or no one takes his rule seriously.
      • I'm definitely in the Well-Intentioned Extremist bucket. MK simply wanted Dream Land to stop being so damn lazy and figured an attack would shock them into action. Of course, all it did was bring the wrath of Kirby upon him. So at least MK found ONE person willing to fight.
    • He's just a Grumpy Bear.
    • Considering that the rest of Meta Knight's actions in the series have good intentions (most of them keeping the Sealed Evil in a Can in check which includes Kirby's Adventure and his attempt that back fired in Amazing Mirror), I'd strongly rule out Meta Knight being evil.
      • This troper thinks that Meta Knight is the only one that takes seriously the threat posed by all the nightmarish that lurk in the setting, and he is desperately trying to rouse the Sugar Bowl inhabitants into doing something about it, hence his decision to hide his Sugar Bowl appearance behind a darker and grittier mask.
    • This troper (mariic) points out that in the Japanese version, he mentions something about corruption, which probably means that he's trying to stop Dedede from making another boneheaded mistake (again, for like the 1,000,000th time).
  • How Kirby has no qualms over killing dozens of creatures, be they evil or not, over a piece of cake.
  • Related to the above: In Kirby Squeak Squad, WHY THE HECK COULD HE NOT GO GET ANOTHER SLICE OF CAKE?! Surely it couldn't be the only slice of strawberry shortcake in the whole of Pop Star? Sheesh, Kirby!
    • Well, have you ever seen another slice of strawberry shortcake as any health pickups in any of the other games?
      • Some Kirby games do have that.
    • Clearly it must have been homemade. Nobody messes with Kirby's Homemade strawberry shortcake.
    • Because if he let those mice get away, it would set a bad example. What next? People will start borrowing his cans of pop. Someone will make a sandwich with his bread. Things will continue on in this vein until someone makes spaghetti sauce with his Maxim Tomatoes. And woe for existence on that day, for Kirby will decide that any universe that steals his food is no longer worthy of existence, and consume it all. Dedede 12:17.
    • Some people think it's because there was a famine in Dream Land during the events of Kirby Squeak Squad. So obviously, Kirby couldn't have gotten another piece of cake because there wasn't any cake left.
  • Why were Kirby's eyebrows Photoshopped into ANGRY KIRBY~ for every North American release between Kirby Tilt 'n Tumble and Super Star Ultra? He's supposed to be cute, not bitter.
    • Because American Kirby Is Hardcore.
    • GRIMDARK Kirby?
    • Silly troper, cuteness is for Japan!
      • The US boxart for Kirby Super Star Ultra says otherwise!
    • I always thought that it was to show how determined he was. Furrowed brows mean more than just anger, after all.
  • Possibly just reading too much into reading too much, but... can't we simply count JBM about Kirby as simply "dream logic"? It's Dream Land, after all!
    • Dream Land is where the dreams come from; it is not a dream itself. It does explain where all the final bosses come from though, and why the dream fountain was turned off in the second game.
  • In the Meta Knightmare section of KSSU, why does he blow up his own damn ship? Just because he wants to prove he's just as good as that goddamned marshmallow boy?
    • Meta Knight is just that hardcore. And possibly GRIMDARK.
      • Alternately: Some former minions hijacked it, and he's getting payback.
    • This troper believes you've just answered your own question.
      • Indeed, the whole reason Meta Knight did everything Kirby did was because he wanted to become strong, and what better way to do it than to imitate the actions of the one guy who's defeated him and countless others many times over? Even if he had to waste a whole recreation of The Halberd, it was worth it in his eyes.
  • So... If Kirby has a bottomless stomach, why can he only hold 5 Bubbles/chests at a time in Squeak Squad?
    • Things don't last forever in that big belly of his before it vanishes without a trace. He doesn't have too many spaces in his stomach that can store stuff.
    • How much food can you fit into your mouth before you instinctively swallow it? I guess we know Kirby's limit now.
    • Plus you saw the inside of his stomach, there are freaking STARS in there, maybe if it gets knocked away too far it'll be lost in his stomach-verse forever and he won't be able to reach it.
    • Kirby poops stars. You just can't see it with the low-resolution sprites.
      • Which begs the question of what Popstar REALLY is......
        • Not really. Our planet is covered in worm poop, so it looks brown and mushy when you look closely.
  • What's with all the Eldritch Abominations also known as final bosses? Zero Two and Dark Matter were probably the most creepy ones, with Drawcia being a close second.
    • I know, isn't it awesome?... As a more serious answer, doesn't it make sense that the Big Bads of Dream Land represent nightmares and all that is evil?
    • My theory is that the reason Dreamland is such a Sugar Bowl is because all of its evil is actually concentrated into the various incarnations of Dark Matter/Zero or whomever else takes the final boss spot.
    • It's Dreamland, people. Surely the place is made out of dreams when you go to sleep. When a villain goes to try to take over, wouldn't it make more sense that they would look like something from out of your nightmares?
  • Why is so little of the food in Gourmet Race actual gourmet food?
    • To Kirby and Dedede, everything is gourmet.
      • Exactly what I was thinking.
  • Why does Popstar look yellow from space when neither the ground, sky, or sea looks the least bit yellow-ish? Sure, there are a few places that are yellowish, but Popstar should be at least a little green. Earth looks blue, green, and brown from space because those are the colors of the ocean, plants, and ground respectively. What's Popstar's excuse?
    • A thick and reflective atmosphere, maybe? It could work in reverse to why we see the sky blue, when space is actually pitch black(as seen on the Moon).
      • That might work, but you'd also have to explain why the sky looks blue from the ground.
      • Then how come Kirby Star Allies and later games show it as having visible craters? The planet even visibly crumbles mid-game...
    • And in Kirby's Return to Dream Land, you can see a round planet view in the background of Nutty Noon. Could it be that Popstar is actually a whole galaxy?
  • Zero. A boss that cries Tears of Blood whenever hit in the eye in Kirby 64. Even worse, in his original appearance in Kirby's Dream Land 3, it actually cuts itself to shoot blood as a projectile weapon and when out of HP, its bloody iris pops out of its eye in a last-ditch attempt to take you down. How the hell did those scenes not only still get the games an E and K-A rating respectively, but also get by Nintendo of America's Bowdlerization practices back in the day?
    • Clearly the censors couldn't bring themselves to 100% the game and get to said secret bosses.
    • Or Kirby games are just automatically rated "E."
  • Kirby's copy ability was added because it made the game harder? Huh? I find that his original lack of the ability was harder.
    • Source Please
  • So... are those red things Kirby's feet, or are they cute little booties?
    • Presumably they're his feet.
  • Are Mr. Shine and Mr. Bright actually the sun and moon? If that's true, than that means Kirby has killed the sun and moon. TWICE.
    • It doesn't appear to be that way. In Milky Way Wishes, the plot is that the sun and moon are fighting, but they don't seem to be Shine and Bright. It's much like The Angry Sun.
  • So..What about the Wii game? Has it been canceled or is this just Nintendo's new "We won't say much until the game is ready to be released" rule?
    • Apparently they've "officially" announced that they're still working on it on May 7th 2010, but since they announced it in 2004...
    • It seems that the Kirby's Return to Dream Land as we knew it either underwent a massive revamp or got totaled completely. Nintendo has announced Kirby's Epic Yarn at E3 2010.
    • You played Super Smash Bros. Brawl? There it was.
    • It's... back... on!
    • The game has been finally released in late 2011.
  • A mystery that's been present in most of the games... Why does Meta Knight wear that mask? To be grimdark? To say, 'Screw you Eldritch Abominations, I can be even more badass than you!'?
    • That's exactly why.
    • Maybe he doesn't want anyone to know how adorable he is.
    • For protection. Why does anyone wear armor?
  • So in Kirby and the Amazing Mirror, within the Mirror World or whatever it's called, how come Shadow Kirby wasn't evil like Shadow Meta Knight?
    • Kirby's got a near-instinct to defeat Eldritch Abominations. Unfortunately, that translated into his clone.
    • It's implied that the Mirror World isn't naturally evil. The real question is why Dark Meta Knight is so mean compared to Dream Land's Meta Knight. Possessed by Dark Mind? Chose a darker path because of natural variations between the parallel universes? Or was the one we fought just a creation of Dark Mind, and the real mirror Meta Knight was somewhere doing something else?
  • In Kirby Squeak Squad, what was Daroach and his gang looking for, anyway? Were they really looking to unleash a Sealed Evil in a Can ? Did they think something else was in it? Were they just going to sell it, but Daroach just had to take a look?
  • In Kirby's Dream Land 3, the huge Dark Matter that Zero used to invade Pop Star broke the rings that circled it. After Zero is defeated, three rays of light (red, blue, and green) become the new rings for Pop Star. We've never seen these three rings ever again. Kirby 64 is supposed to happen after Kirby's Dream Land 3, but in 64 the rings are back to two. What happened to the three rings? It was forgotten? They just didn't care?
  • Are Meta Knight's wings a part of his body or his transformed cape? Most games seem to support the latter, but in Kirby's Return to Dream Land he clearly takes his cape off and casts it aside to reveal his wings.
    • Perhaps he was cold that day, and it was an extra cape on top of his wing cape?
    • Meta Knight's wings sprout from his back (from the looks of it) when he chases you at the end of Revenge of Meta Knight, and he doesn't wear a cape in Meta Knightmare Ultra, so my guess is his wings are a part of his body and are retractable.
      • Though they are repeatedly referred to as his transformed cape in Brawl and Melee, as well as on the Smash Bros Dojo.
      • And then in Return to Dreamland, the opening cutscene shows Meta tossing his cape aside, and revealing the wings underneath. The cape can even be seen on the floor afterward. Flip-Flop of God?
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