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Welcome to Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha StrikerS Wild Mass Guessing page. Listed here are the WMG entries for StrikerS that have either been confirmed, jossed, still open for debate, or just plain silly.

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CONFIRMED

These are Wild Mass Guesses which have been confirmed by the series or by Word of God. If a WMG in the open section is confirmed, please move it here.

The Saint Church venerates only one Saint King

Well, this may be obvious to some but I haven't seen this stated explicitly anywhere, so here goes... The Saint Church only venerates the last Sankt Kaiser Olivie Segbrecht as its main Saint (see Jesus Christ) for her Messianic Archetype role in the Saint King Unification War, when she sacrificed herself to end it. All other "Saints" of the Saint Church (St. Hilde, after who Vivio's school is named; St. Valerie, mentioned in Force; etc.) are virtuous personalities from the Ancient Belkan era rather than every single example of the Saint King bloodline. That would make more sense than to revere a royal family best known for waging a centuries long interdimensional War for Fun and Profit.

  • Confirmed in the StrikerS DVD 2 booklet.

JOSSED

These are Wild Mass Guesses which have been Jossed by the series or by Word of God. If a WMG in the open section is jossed, please move it here.

Lutecia is deaf.

Yes, it happens quite often that people talk to her, but all of those are mages, who seem to use their Psychic speech just as easily as they do regular speech. Her summons only communicate through gestures. Prime evidence is that she appears to be fully immume to Agito's Starling Howl, which seems to work more through sound bursts than light. Agito did tell Lutecia to close her eyes, but the sound doesn't seem to bother her at all. Also, there is a scene where Lutecia is captured, which we see from her viewpoint. Note that there's no sound at all (even though four characters are talking to her), until Sei talks to her with the aforementioned Psychic speech.

  • This makes a lot of sense. Not sure whether the sound stages have anything that contradicts it, though.
    • Potentially contradicted by Part 5 of Striker Sound Stage 3, where Agito notes that Lutecia initially didn't answer her unless she "call(ed) out a lot" (although it might have been via telepathy). In Sound Stage X, her phone beeping catches her attention, and she picks it up and has a conversation with Vivio (albeit presumably with video links). In Episode 22, she turns to look at the hologram screen when Quattro calls her.
      • On the other hand regarding Sound Stage 3, Lutecia not responding to Agito's calls despite Agito screaming her head off could be seen as another proof of this. After all, this is a sound drama. How are we sure that Lutecia responded because she heard Agito, instead of say... her seeing Agito apparently shouting something? Now, the video links are a little harder to fit. Maybe besides having audio and video transmission capabilities, they 're also capable of psychic transmissions?
        • The holographic consoles seem to be sound-based, as Erio and Caro can hear what Quattro's saying (Erio reacts angrily to her statement that she's using the Villain Override on Lutecia, and the two learn Lutecia's name despite Lutecia not introducing herself like Caro and Erio did), and Quattro is moving her mouth (while Lutecia could potentially read lips, her voice got her attention).
  • Chapter 8 of Vi Vid has her react to Megane calling her verbally, so this one's jossed.

Lutecia is not actually Megane's daughter, but a clone.

Lutecia has no memories of her mother and only knows who it is because Jail said that Megane was. Jail doesn't seem the type to get in contact with the very, very young daughter of someone who died attacking one of his bases, while he is entirely the type who would clone her as an artificial mage. However, shortly after she is cloned, she is taken away by the revived Zest, who sees her as his responsibility. After being revived, Megane decides to take her in anyway, because she's nice like that.

  • Directly contradicted by canon - as acquisition of Lutecia as test subject in flashback is discussed on screen.

OPEN

This is a list of Wild Mass Guesses which are still possibly true. Just for Fun and silly guesses go silly section. If a WMG is Jossed, please move it to the Jossed section, if it is Confirmed, please move it to the Confirmed section.

The Infinite Library is truly infinite...

...and contains every possible written work in every possible language ever, including Shakespeare in the original Klingon. However, since such a thing would be practically useless, immensely complex spells are used to reduce the possibilities into a large but still limited space.

  • Yuuno is appointed as Head Librarian because he is both an excellent academic and greatly talented with barrier spells, which help in making the "restrictions" of the probability-space.
  • For more on infinite libraries, go read The Library of Babel by Jorge Luis Borges.
  • This happens to any significantly large magical library. Do not be surprised if, whilst perusing the shelves of the Infinite Library, you hear a faint "Ook" in the distance.
    • One would expect Yuuno and the Librarian to start a "I'm not a Ferret/Mon*CRASH* Ape" club.
      • Or a "I'm not a familiar" club with Zafira.
  • Note that this is only a small annex of the Library of Dream, which has every book that was never written, including updated and unabridged versions of books that WERE written.

Agito is Signum's UNISON device from when she was a real person in the age of Ancient Velka.

They are clearly leading up to an Agito/Signum UNISON; comments from Zest about how perfect they seem for each other and how Agito is a relic from that age make this quite plausible.

  • Apparently, the last few episodes of StrikerS gave us that Agito/Signum UNISON. No further elaboration on this is given, though.
    • Signum does mention that she feels "warm" when in unison with Agito, and Agito starts crying uncontrollably after that (which she didn't do even after Zest died). Agito recalls some good times long ago which abruptly ended. She then went into hibernation until she was awakened and used as a test subject by the Mid-Childans. The end of the "good times" may correlate with the time Signum was absorbed by the Book of Darkness (see above).
    • More or less confirmed ever since the third Sound Stage of StrikerS. The Fansubbers made a slight mistake: Agito didn't call herself the "Genius of the Burning Flames" when she first appeared, she called herself the "Sword Spirit of the Burning Flames". It's not a moniker she fashioned for herself either, it's the name she's referred to by the scientists who were experimenting on her, making it the closest thing she has to a true name ("Agito" was given to her by Lutecia). She even mentioned that, based on that name, her original owner is most likely a powerful sword-wielder who can use fire. Finally, she mentions that "strangely, (her) heart feels warm" whenever she thinks of her original owner, which is the exact words Signum said when they finally performed a Unison (and probably the reason why she started crying). Of course, this opens up more questions: Is Signum really Agito's master (which makes one boggle at just how powerful the first Reinforce must be to create a program that could form her own Unison Device), or, as a lot of people are thinking, is the Signum we know a perfect copy of an earlier human Signum who was the true master of Agito? Hopefully, Vi Vid, Force or another installment will reveal more about this.
    • The Nanoha game makes the possibility of Signum being based on someone real even more likely. The Book of Darkness is revealed to have the ability to create perfect copies of powerful mages who have ever been near it by gathering memories and magic, and is even able to create improved Evil Twin versions of the original. While the copies in the game are rather fragile, completely fading the moment they're defeated, the first copies created by the Book of Darkness may have been made up of stronger stuff, especially since the copies in the game were created by a mere fragment of the Darkness of the Book of Darkness.
      • How canon is the game though? Not that I'm arguing, of course, but I'd like to confirm as much as possible...
      • It's an Alternate Continuity set just after A's where Reinforce lives, but it's written by Tsuzuki himself. So while the events may not happen in the main continuity, it's probably safe to assume that the abilities exhibited by the participants there are canon.

Agito and Signum are perfect for each other because of their similar elemental attributes.

Signum's Laetavin typically powers itself up with a flaming edge when using cartridges, and other characters have specialized in specific magics (Zafira with ice, and Erio with electricity). Thus Signum could be more compatible with Agito than with Zest the same way that one can run Windows XP on a Mac, but it's built for a PC.

  • Rein also seems to work much better with Hayate than with Vita or Signum.

BetrayerS was the original sequel to StrikerS

Masaki Tsuzuki wanted to go Darker and Edgier after StrikerS all along, but he wasn't sure how it'll be received, so he and Himura Kiseki published the first chapter as a doujin with Himura taking all credit. Either because the fandom wasn't completely happy or due to Executive Meddling, the concept was put on the shelf, that's why "episode 2 is NOT coming soon". Instead, Tsuzuki went for a Darker and Edgier, only less so, route with Force, simultaneously buying off fans with the cutesy loli moe Vi Vid. Once those are done, though, he and Himura may still return to BetrayerS storyline.

The Lyrical Nanoha universe is as filled with Feinano shippers as the real world is.

Both Fate and Nanoha are essentially superheros and mega-celebrities on Midchilda and probably countless other worlds, and we all know how the private lives of celebrities tend to be publicised. While, with the exception of their close friends, no-one would have as much information as we do, they would certainly be provided with enough information to reach the same conclusions as we do. Hence, large shipping communities.

The TSAB puts a lot of peer pressure into starting families between their officers.

They're not just "unusually understanding" of interoffice relations; they want them to happen. They're constantly besieged by Lost Technology run amok that could destroy the multiverse, and it's been decided that one of the few things that can stem the tide is magic. So they need mages, lots of mages; and they're woefully understaffed. (Creating artificial mages has turned out not to be cost-effective.) Solution? Have employees make babies who will likely have magic potential and be loyal to the TSAB. So there's economic incentives hardwired into the organization as well as social encouragement.

  • Chrono does comment quietly in the manga that he had "little choice" but to marry Amy. This could mean that he had gotten her pregnant; but in that case, the TSAB probably had the wedding scheduled as soon as the test results were positive.
    • There's a much less diabolical explanation for this. An unmarried Admiral or Captain is considered something of a security risk. One with a wife in the same service is a bonus since they can be vetted by the same people. However I suspect the TSAB does make special allowances for mages simply because it's better not to annoy them greatly.
  • Adopting magical children who will be loyal to the TSAB is a relatively new concept, but one that the cast has shown has definite merit.
    • This could be another explanation to the breaking of the cast up at the end of StrikerS, adoption is great, but the Fundamentally Female Cast isn't making as many children. Maybe exposure to other (male) comrades will bear fruit. Notice how Erio and Caro stay together -- the TSAB figures nature will take its course.
      • With Lutecia on the same planet, no less. They figure it's playing the odds -- if Erio and Caro don't get together, maybe Erio and Lulu might. And at the most extreme, one male can get two females pregnant.
        • Or Fate is being sent on Deep Space Missions to encourage Nanoha and Yuuno to have kids together. Even without a Device, Yuuno's pretty powerful. Hayate seems to be actively discouraging "Fate-mama" for whatever reason. Whether this works is another story, since they can't keep Fate in space forever.
          • You guys make it too easy to adopt these ideas into fics, you know that, right?
  • If the CIA advocates this (if Covert Affairs is anything to go by), then it's plausible the TSAB would do the same, for much the same reasons. You don't have to read anyone more into the projects, you know they won't try to backstab you, and it keeps couples from breaking up because one is Married to the Job.

Quint was a scientist in Project Fate who defected.

So she and Subaru's and Ginga's father just "happened" to find a lab where they rescued Subaru and Ginga, and they just "happened" to be made from Quint's DNA? Ha Ha Ha No. We know that the TSAB is really, really desperate lenient when it comes to repentant scientists and their creations; Subaru's father managed to get Quint to convert; and the TSAB came up with that rather thin cover story. Quint got to bring her two children with her; as long as she went along with the "we found them" story. This is how the TSAB knew how to "upgrade" them each year to accomodate aging, Quint gave them instructions.

  • It was probably why Scaglietti had her killed, since she would have explicit knowledge on how the Numbers work and would have opposed him. He may have stolen notes from her on how to start the Number project to begin with. Sure, she was supposedly "interfering" but that still doesn't begin to explain the coincidence of her "finding" robotic upgradable clones of herself.
    • Scaglietti didn't mention this to the Numbers because he didn't want them thinking of anyone else but himself as a parent figure.
      • A crucial motive for Major Nakajima adopting any willing Number.

Jail Scaglietti's clones were not disposed of

Remember, Scaglietti was a creation of the TSAB higher-ups in order for them to have an advantage in the arms race against criminals. They have seen in Vivio that nurture can convert a perfect product of Project F to their side. What's to stop them from trying the same with the Jail clones? The potential in having twelve Mad Scientists working for them may be too tempting, risks be damned.

  • It's unlikely that Fate, of all people, (or any of the heroes) would allow the fetuses to be aborted, no matter who their "father" was or how they were "concieved." They're probably all extracted from the Numbers (especially the ones in jail... oh god, the horrible unintentional pun) and put on ice somewhere. And there they will remain until the TSAB can find willing mothers with enough security clearance and parenting qualifications to be trusted with raising twelve VERY dangerous babies.
    • Would the Jail clones actually be dangerous if they didn't have his memories implanted?
      • Actually, User:Zemyla believes that the memories were removed from the babies, purely as a humane measure. Most people would go crazy if they were trapped in a baby's body for several years, unable to talk, walk, or even maintain control of their bladder. So obviously, the rational course is to wipe the memories.
        • Pretty much all combat cyborgs who were still in storage were deported with memory wipes if possible. Except some of the numbers. TSAB Top Brass knew if someone caught a wind of this, they will be in trouble so the non Nakajima combat cyborgs were sent off to colony worlds with limited contact with the outside world to start new lives. That includes magician bases used in the experiment.
  • One of Jail's mind-wiped clones will develop white hair due to a random mutation and join the TSAB. He slowly regains Jail's memories over time, but manages to retain his own personality.

Yuuno can't get in on the action any more because he's only a civilian.

Less a guess, more a certainty. Yuuno's really happy to pursue a life as a scholar, but he can't be totally happy with the idea of never being able to support Nanoha and their friends in dangerous situations again -- and the military wouldn't let such a valuable combat support mage go untapped without some attempt at recruitment. But he simply doesn't have the permission of his legal guardians to sign on -- at one point, Chrono mentions that technically, he shouldn't even be allowed to work in the Infinity Library without such permission, and Bureau is bending the rules for that much alone. Even after the age at which he could legally join on his own, he'd probably settled in too much and Nanoha and the rest seemed to be doing fine.

  • Or, alternatively, he quite enjoys his new job, as it allows him to follow his true passions, rather than forcing him to fight for the lives of his friends. Remember, he is an archeologist and his only reason for being involved in the jewel seed incident is he feels responsible for having found them in the first place, after that, he just wants to go back to his studies and help his friends and clan.
  • Yuuno has the Infinite Library at his fingertips; knowledge is power, and he knows where all the bodies are buried and which closets the skeletons are in, as well as a thousand and one ways to cause a dimensional cataclysm before breakfast. If he wanted to go on active duty again, it's doubtful the TSAB would have the means to stop him. Clearly he doesn't want to.
  • I suspect Yuuno learned some magic in order to protect himself from natural dangers while on expeditions with the expectation that he would need armed escorts for anything more dangerous than the Jewel Seed monsters. He primarily got barrier, teleportation and healing skills so he could protect himself and support his allies from afar. Since much of the cast has strong barriers, Shamal not only has healing abilities but also sensors and capture magic, and Yuuno hasn't had any expeditions that we know of, he's decided to stay out of combat, since he doesn't think he can contribute enough (presumably similar to how Arf stopped fighting in Striker S, and switched to a loli form to save mana).

Yuuno can't finally get his own Device because he's only a civilian.

Theory: Devices are expensive, and quality Devices are really expensive, and probably require some kind of license. As a civilian scholar and librarian, he probably isn't making that much money or backing, or getting clearance for combat-grade power.

  • Support: Nanoha and Hayate got Raising Heart and the Book by luck (or destiny). Fate had her mother's fortune and resources to make Bardiche, or Precia used those to make it for her. Erio's original parents had enough money and illegal connections to create an F-Project "artifical mage" clone of their original son -- getting him Strada while they were at it is only a mild stretch in light of that. Everyone else who has powerful, tailor-made Devices belongs to the military (Chrono, Zest, Subaru's and Lutecia's mothers, Subaru and Teana, etc.) or probably belonged to a military at one point (the Velkan Knight Wolkenritter).
  • Yuuno does have a device, its called the Raging/Raising Heart. He just gives it to Nanoha so she can seal the McGuffin for him and she never ends up giving it back.
    • This doesn't quite explain where Caro got Keykerion, unless it belong to a dead mother or something. Maybe she and Erio got both of their Devices from Fate, who -- thanks to her rank -- might just have the money, backing, and authority to arrange such a thing for children intent on joining the TSAB.
      • IIRC Strada was remade when he got in RF6 and I don't remember Caro having her device before that.
        • All the Forwards' Devices were remade shortly after joining Section Six, but Caro had Kerykeion before that; she uses it to Boost Up Tea in their very first training run. As for where they got their Devices before joining. Tea and Subaru made their original Devices themselves while in training school; they were good enough to last until B-rank at least. They mention both training school and their old unit only provided staves; I presume that's the spear-like things you see TSAB mooks carry. Subaru's Revolver Knuckle belonged to her mother (Ginga has the other one). That leaves Caro and Erio, who probably got theirs from Fate. She trained Erio at the very least (Sonic Move, anyone?); Caro, being a summoner, might be a special case.
  • Who knows where or how Yuuno picked up Raising Heart, but it's not some random piece of cheap or mass-produced hardware. As an Intelligent Device, and a strong one at that, it must have been made with a real purpose in mind. However, it obviously wasn't with Yuuno in mind -- its capabilities are completely opposite to his own, and it's not even in his colors (everyone else is color matched). He might have found it at some dig site, or maybe got it from one of his adoptive mothers.
  • It is clearly not a case for Yuno. While civilian, he is head of one of the TSAB secondary branches and I don't believe anybody in right mind would try to mess with him about that.
    • What are you talking about? If the head commanders can demand that Nanoha and bunch have limiters put into their bodies, they can make it difficult for Yuuno to get clearance for a Device. And they'd do it for the same reason -- powerful mages getting more power make them nervous.
      • Limiters or more correct maximum unit powerlevel were clearly described as mesure to prevent headhunting best mages for your unit from other units. If Nanoha was only AAA+ mage in unit she would NOT have limiter at all. May be for some persons it's about nervousness... but Infinity Library is main TSAB HQ where overS mages are common place... and without limiters.
        • The series never says why there's a maximum total power level per unit, just that there is one, but there are a number of logical reasons. It reduces the threat of a powerful unit going rogue, it prevents any single unit getting too much political influence due to their concentration of magical power, and it satisfies petty office bureaucrats who love that kind of stuff. Also, there's no indication that TSAB headquarters has a significant concentration of powerful mages. The only one we know of is Admiral Graham, and that's an Informed Ability. Chrono is noted as one of their better enforcers, and he's gobsmacked by Nanoha's power in the first season.
  • It would be a terrible mistake to dismiss Yuuno as "a mere civilian"; the man has the Infinite Library at his fingertips. Knowledge is power, and Yuuno is the one person who could reasonably claim to know where all the bodies are buried and which closets the skeletons were in. The TSAB would probably give him a Device if he wanted one just to keep him happy. They don't want him coming back to field because he would be impossibly well-connected and capable of bending operations to his whims on a massive scale, but it's doubtful they could stop him: so they do their best to ensure he doesn't have a reason to come back. If he gets a reason, there will be hell to pay.
    • I repeat - he is head of TSAB secondary branch. Calling him "a mere civilian" is like calling head of CIA or KGB "a mere civilian", even without all that OMG WTF stuff that is kept in Infinity Library. And he became that head in an age of what... 9? 10? In terms of "(s)he is scary" he is right up there with miss "WTF power and WTF career" Hayate. Replace "power" with "knowledge" and note one of the fastest careers in most of reality and fiction combined...
    • According to the Megami sound stage for A's, he chose to stay off the battlefield because he's not good at combat like Nanoha, but he can support her in other ways.
    • Lio, a civilian student at the Sankt Hilde school, has an apparently Belkan-style device in ViVid. Then again, we don't know much about her family.
      • It's most likely a Storage Device. Relatively speaking, they're fairly cheap to make or buy compared to Intelligent Devices and they have limited abilities, perfect for young girls practicing magic.
    • "For safety purposes "All combatants must be equipped with Device of CLASS 3 or above"." Looks like making a device is not that expensive or difficult (more like a motorbike or a car at most than a yaht), unless it happens to be an authentic Ancient Welka type. While we've seen only 10 contestants, it looks like they are simply the designated semi-finalists (so that we get interesting fights between people we are able to care about rather than anonymous mooks). The true number of participants is sure to be many times higher than that, otherwise preliminaries won't be taking several months.

Hayate Yagami and Genya Nakajima competing with each other to see who could get the bigger Robot Girl harem.

It would explain why Genya adopted Nove, Wendi, Cinque, and Dieci.

  • Scaglietti won that contest by a large margin.

Splitting up the cast at the end of StrikerS is just the way the military works.

Seriously. It doesn't have to be any more complicated than that. Yuuno, who's a civilian, comes to help Nanoha take care of Vivio when Fate is away. Fate comes back, Nanoha and Vivio are happy, somebody has to leave again, somebody else comes in to help with the kids. It happens all the time with many a Real Life Military Brat.

  • At at least one point, characters state that it's unusual for all of the main cast to be together like they were in the unit. The cast seems to understand this well, except for Subaru, who has some reservations about parting ways with Teana, Nanoha and everyone else until Teana reassures her in a typical Tsundere way.
  • The unit was formed to deal with a specific problem, namely Jail's Gadget Drones. They dealt with it, so now they're being reassigned. It's perfectly natural.

Magic Cloning is different from Earth-Style "Dolly the Sheep" Cloning

Just implanting DNA into an egg will result in a person with their own soul; but they won't have a Linker Core. Magic Cloning copies (and modifies) the Linker Core and requires a soul in order to work with the Linker Core. Magic Clone someone who is alive; and the copy won't wake up; the soul won't transfer. Magic Clone someone who is dead or else in a Soul-Dead like state; and they'll achieve Reincarnation with Genetic Memory.

  • There is an alternative to this. It is possible to Magic Clone someone and have them be their own person if you also create an AI (similar to the Programs of the Book of Darkness) to act as a proto-soul through Cybernetics. (This will prevent Genetic Memory and soul transfer and will grow into an individual Linker Core and soul.) Although only whoever created Ginga and Subaru was able to grow a "normal" Linker Core in them; the Numbers that came later had modified Linker Cores that only allowed certain abilities.
    • Precia's descent into insanity and the incomplete knowledge of whether Genetic Memory and identity are the same drove her to deny this.
    • Vivio's Genetic Memory of the Saint King were sealed by Scaglietti to prevent Kung Fu Jesus from his glorified Cradle Battery. Nanoha has decided to keep the seal up so Vivio could live her own life. She'll be told when she becomes 18; and it will be her choice whether to awaken them or not. Incidentally, the "seal" is within Sacred Heart.
    • Elio was Magic Cloned when the original died as a baby; so he didn't have any cognizant Genetic Memory.

The Belkan Saint Church and the TSAB do not get along

The Church appears to have its own troops and be an autonomous entity, something the TSAB, as personified by its Ground Forces head responsible for the security of the city, is bound to dislike dealing with. The fact the Church has autonomous agents with Cartridge-capable devices wandering about is just going to make it worse.

  • The Church explicitly governs a number or regions on Midchilda. Disliking them for having their own troops is the same as disliking another country because they also have an army.
    • Which most countries actually do dislike their neighbors for. However the Church is also explicitly part of the TSAB's power structure; the Church had authority to order a limiter release for 6th Division, something you're not going to give a foreign power. They may be semi-autonomous or be analogous to Native American Reserves in the US, but they're clearly part and parcel of the TSAB; otherwise the TSAB would never have been allowing armed Church agents unsupervised into their areas, as one person with an Intelligent or Armed Device is capable of immense destruction. If the Church constitute a whole other country, Nanoha or Fate should have been detailed to guard the Sisters every time they entered and left for those conferences. They weren't.
      • Carim has the authority to release the limiters, not the Church as whole, just Carim.
      • Also, I wouldn't consider the Ground Forces opinion of the Church to be inidicative of the opinion of TSAB as a whole.
      • Carim explictly having it doesn't really help, seeing as she is a ranking member of the Church. If the Church was a totally seperate entity the TSAB would expect her loyalty to be to the Church first and perhaps only.

The Belkan Saint Church is the TSAB's real Army

The Ground Forces, as seen in Striker S, seem to be somewhere between glorified police and actual soldiers. The Belkan Saint Church's fighters give a better accounting of themselves. The Church might therefore be the real, war-minded Army; the Ground Forces are dedicated peacekeeping and garrison troops.

  • This seems unlikely because that would mean the TSAB is relying on another country to fight for it and wouldn't make sense given what we know about the Church's history (i.e. Olivier is worshipped because she brought a war that had caused Belka to become uninhabital to a peaceful end and managed to stop the Belkans from completly wiping themselves out). Also, there is no indication that the TSAB needs an army.
    • As above, the Church is explicitly part of the TSAB's power structure as they had one of the two possible limiter-release authorizations for the 6th Division, which is manifestly not the sort of authority you give to a foreign power. The Church also clearly has a martial bent to it and its ranking members are apparently capable fighters. Belkan tradition clearly embraces the use of violence as well; witness Chrono's comments in A's on the nature of Belkan magic and what it does better than Midchildean. The Saint most likely has more than one aspect, not only as peacebringer but also peacemaker.
      • Carim was the only person in the Church with the authority to release the limiter.
      • The Church could easily be the real army for Midchilda, however unless it has self governed regions on several other planets, I don't think it would be able to act as the army for the entire TSAB.
        • Carim explictly having it doesn't really help, seeing as she is a ranking member of the Church. (As noted.) This is also, I feel the need to point out, the TSAB: rapid deployment across interstellar distances is not a problem. They recalled a significant portion of the fleet in time to deal with the Saint's Cradle after all. Similarly, numbers is not a great concern either: as A's and the original season taught us, it's better to deploy a few really good mages than a lot of lesser ones.
          • In all of those cases they were dealing with threat on a single planet, as long as the TSAB wages war against individual planets the Church might be sufficient, but it wouldn't be against another organization the size of the TSAB.

Jail is going to escape the maximum security orbital prison sometime in the future

Sound Stage X showed that Jail is still the same confident Large Ham that he is even though he's been imprisoned for three years already. One can't help think that he has something up his sleeve and is just waiting for the right time. The fact that all of the Numbers, including those that are now a part of TSAB, are still loyal to him means that he has an obvious means of escape.

Of course, if this does happen, it would be too obvious if one of his Numbers did the freeing. No, if I were to bet on someone being an outside accomplice, it would be Subaru's Cool Big Sis, Ginga. After all, how certain are we that all traces of Brainwashed and Crazy have been removed by the TSAB?

  • I think you underestimate Jail's capablity for self-rescuing.
    • I'll do the original poster one better: the Numbers aren't going to free him; he's not going to be freed at all. Jail's just waiting for the backup clones he hid far away from his main base to grow up and finish his work for him, complete with an all-new set of upgraded Numbers.
      • In the tanks inside his hideout, there are several People Jars with Roman Numerals as high as 15. It's possible he had several other Numbers in production.
    • Except none of them were rescued, and even if they get out somehow, they're going to have an awfully large problem getting to space. Plus those clones better age quickly, or Jail'll be dead before even the slightest chance of rescue emerges.
      • One of them contains Lutecia's mother, who is rescued, and recovers from her coma on her own.

Yuuno is no longer on the team because any real offensive use of his powers would too lethal

The guy has chains, barriers, and teleports. Lots of chains, barriers, and teleports. And when you have lots of chains, barriers, and teleports, you start squeezing people painfully around the neck, making them run into barriers at high Mach numbers, and teleporting them places where they can't breathe. Either the TSAB's worried about this, Yuuno's worried about it, both, or he runs a bondage fetish club in his spare time.

  • OOOH! Fetish club! Fetish club! Which would explain Nanoha's various bindings she pulled out on Vivio.
  • Shamal must also be a member. After reading the one A's Nano page where Hayate tries to get her to wear a dominatrix outfit, I can't help but think "Bondage time!" whenever I see the scene where she and Zaffy capture Otto in the final battle of StrikerS. :P
  • I gotta stop coming here. I made a reference to this in a fic that I helped write.
  • Easy answer is that CHAIN BIND IS A FREAKING!!RAZOR!!FLOSS!!!, TSAB formed for utilizing Magical Stun Guns (some of them are the class of Wave Motion Gun, it's necessary by the way), they don't really need Clean Cut on human target.
  • To add credence to this theory: who needs Frickin' Laser Beams or Wave Motion Gun if you can teleport your enemy into an oncoming one, from a friendly source or otherwise?

Mook: "Ha, you? The mage that knows nothing but shields and teleport is going to defeat me?"
Yuuno: "Me? Nah. She would though. *points to Nanoha with Divine Buster ready*"

Signum and Shamal show no romantic interest in anyone, and Zafira prefers his wolf form to his human one, because they were abused by previous masters of the Book of Darkness

The kind of people who would use the Book of Darkness aren't very nice; powerful, controlling, and not very moral. Even if they weren't any of these things, the temptation with someone not only manifestly good-looking but also completely obediant is obviously there. Vita managed to escape this, or at least suffer considerably less of it, because of her apparent age. @/(Night demands he be credited in the inevitable trashy, or maybe even not so trashy, Fanfic.) Shamal and Signum are now breathing easier, but Zafira stays wolfy to keep the idea further from Hayate's mind.

  • It doesn't help that Hayate already does play with them, although she also does it to a lot of the other girls as well.
    • According to the first A's sound stage, Signum would consent to Hayate groping her (presumably out of a sense of duty), but would feel extremely embarrassed about it, so Hayate does it to her in her sleep (which might apply to other masters). Shamal, however, doesn't seem to mind, and seems pleased when Hayate notes that her breasts have "a nice feel to them".
      • Specifically, Hayate's groping is why Zafira stays in his wolf form after A's. Apparently, she goes both ways, and with him the only male in easy reach...
  • Darn you! I actually wrote a fic that used some of that idea near the end.

Tre and Sette were based off of (or at least Expies of in appearance) Noel and Farin of the original series

They both bear an uncanny resemblance to Suzuka's two maids in hair color and style, and Tre has a similar slightly cold personality that Noel does. Granted, Sette is an Emotionless Girl instead of a Dojikko, but that may be just one of the "unnecessary elements" Scaglietti removed.

    • Speaking of Sette, she would had been a prototype for T-elo's template, cruel and malicous. God a pale skinned version of T-elos...

The Wolkenritter, even disconnected from the Book of the Night Sky, do not age.

Vita didn't change at all between A's and StrikerS. Neither did any of the others. Though they no longer heal the same way they used to, instead healing like natural humans, they do not age. In effect they are biologically immortal. With careful medical care or Klarer Wind the Wolkenritter might live, unchanged, forever.

  • This opens the question of what Reinforce and the Book of the Night Sky will do when Hayate, who is emphatically not immortal, dies. Can Intelligent Devices be passed on? None of the ones in the series seem to be hand-me-downs, though they do not appear to be single-person-useable items based on Raising Heart.
  • Then again, the Wolkenritter indicate in A's Sound Stage 3 that they're not interested in outliving Hayate.
    • Hayate would probably be pleased if they outlived her, though. And considering the series we're talking about and where it sits on the sliding scale of idealism, it seems likely that either Hayate will give the "you can do so much good" speech, or Nanoha will give the heavier "you have a moral duty to help as many as you can" version if push comes to shove.
      • In the third Sound Stage of A's, when Hayate notes that they're no longer immortal, they say they're fine with living out their last life with Hayate and then joining her and Reinforce in "the sky" (presumably Fluffy Cloud Heaven) when they die.
  • In Striker S, Vita and Shamal discuss how their connection to the book seems to be slowly fading. Presumably given enough time, they'll start to age too.
    • That seems to mainly apply to their regenerative capabilities, since Vita notes in the manga that she'll have to use transformation magic on Earth to hide her not aging, but notes that if Shamal and Signum just change their hairstyle, they'll be fine.

Alicia's dad built the Type Zero cyborgs

We never learn who Alicia/Fate's biological father was. We never learn who built the Type Zero cyborgs (Ginga and Subaru), since Scaglietti claims it wasn't him. We do know, however, that Precia and Scaglietti worked together on Project Fate and Scaglietti doesn't claim to be Fate's dad (that would be... derivative). Ergo, either there were two as-of-yet unknown guys, one who was Precia's lover and one brilliant enough to built cyborgs, or these two were one and the same person all along, whose identity is rigorously hidden away from everyone. Oh, and of course, he will become the main antagonist of some future installment.

Nanoha is dead

The real Nanoha never recovered from the Gadget Drone incident two years after joining the Bureau and died due to complications soon after starting the rehab course. However, the TSAB high-ups didn't want to lose such a strong Aerial Mage and conspired with Jail Saglietti to (among other things) resurrect Nanoha as an Artificial Mage. This is the reason why Nanoha keeps overworking herself: consciously or subconsciously (she may be not aware of her condition, just like Fate wasn't, and TSAB doctors are instructed to lie to her), she is aware that if she dies, they'll just "make another Nanoha". This is also the reason why Scaglietti keeps being so smug in prison: he was promised to be bailed out by the real conspirators, if he keeps his mouth shut at least about Nanoha. However, Hayate Yagami did find out what TSAB did to her best friend, and has now counter-conspired with Carim Gracia the Saint Church (who seem to be the good guys) to topple the corrupt TSAB leadership and take over Mid-Childa. On a side note, the Takamachi family on Mid-Childa (Nanoha, Fate, and Vivio) is thus made up exclusively of Artificial Mages. Awwww, isn't that cute?

  • Considering how the Wolkenritter would react to such a plan, having essentially been the victims of an identical setup during the Book of Darkness years and probably rightly fearing the same fate again if it was done to Nanoha, the probable result of such a situation is not a counter conspiracy but a rage-fueled apocalyptic assault on TSAB headquarters. Hayate, after all, does not keep secrets from her knights. And this time Chrono's not coming to save them from the spaceship that's key to the plan against the TSAB. He's commanding that ship, being a close personal friend of Hayate and friendly to Nanoha. Fate's not going to be taking out the Big Bad. She's going to lead the attack. Even Yuuno's not going to be on their side. He'll be right alongside Fate. So overall, the potentional risks of this would far outweigh the benefits. At least when they screwed up with Jail, they had the excuse what happened wasn't really a predictable consequence. This is not the case here.
    • Bear in mind that this occurred well before the J.S. incident, so at the time, the TSAB wouldn't have had quite the same knowledge of the true might of the White Devil and co. at the time. Also, where does it say that the Wolkenritter are Artificial Mages? I don't recall their origins ever being explained in full... Serious stuff aside, does this make Nanoha Rei Ayanami? :p
      • They're not Artificial Mages, but they are artificial in whole or part since their linker core is all that keeps them in the real world as of A's. A thousand lifetimes of service to the many masters of the Book of Darkness when you don't like being an Eldritch Abomination is enough to to leave anyone pissed off about being resurrected over and over again. They might even simply try to put Nanoha out of her misery and regard it as a mercy killing.
  • Alternatively, what the medics recovered was... something else in Nanoha's form. We saw a sign of its Glamour Failure in the infamous "Higurashi eyes", and the supposedly Better on DVD "fixing" is a Retcon to prevent us from catching on too quickly. It's biding its time, waiting for the right moment to reveal itself when none can properly oppose it.

The Midchildan Ground forces HQ, as well as the Capitol of Administered World #1 (Midchilda), is in Greece

And in extension, the Belkan Empire should actually be Anglicized as the Balkin Empire. If you think about it, it fits. The shot we always have of the Saint Church is in a highly forested and mountainous area, that is quickly open to a sea. Some of the tactical screens that we see in Striker S seem to be shots of the Aegean sea. Also, the de-facto alphabet of the TSAB seems to be the Hellenistic alphabet. I'm not well versed on the supplementary material, but it seems to me like, in that case, the Saint Church could be what the Greek Orthodox Church became after wide-scale revelations of magic became known, and in the chaos, it spread to the Holy Roman Empire (Aka, Germany), which is why all of their devices speak German. There are holes (such as how the Midchildan devices picked up English), but I'm sure I could find ways to patch it with more information.

  • Except that, you know... Mid-Childa is explicitly stated to be another planet and it doesn't say anywhere that it is geographically identical to Earth...
    • Lack of Word of God doesn't prove it cant be acurate. There is, infact, more in suppport of the claim than against it, at least until it goes into theories on the origins of the Belkan Saint Church.
      • Then why is Earth designated "non-administrated (!) world #97 (!!)", and why are there so few magic uses native to it? EDIT: Oh, any by the way, according to the Sound Stage X supplemental material (Guide Book), the Saint Church was formed after the end of Saint King Unification War (which happened, what, a hundred years ago? Assuming that the modern Mid-Childan calender is just 80 years long in Force...) and worships the members of the Belkan Royal Family (for their role in stopping the war, no less, although that role was limited to just dying like flies and letting the multiverse to get over it already). You would think that if the Saint Church were derived from Christianity about a century ago it would, like, you know... mention Jesus Christ somewhere?
        • The world numbers seem to go by their discovery, with Midchildia being World 1.
      • The Saint Church thing doesn't necessarily work, but everything else can be explained with two words: Alternate Universe.
        • Well, it could just as well be all just a Dying Dream of Nanoha, as she lies bleeding after having failed to activate Raising Heart and being fatally wounded by the very first Jewel Seed monster, and dreams of a happy life where she is respected, needed, and has a loving family.
    • Shamal notes that the area around Riot Force 6's base is similar to Uminari City. It's unclear how far the similarity goes, though.

Mid-Childa and the TSAB will eventually decide that magic is too dangerous and switch to a technology based society.

Whats more, this is just the latest stage in a long cycle of societal change. Every few thousand years, magic or technology reach a point where single individuals can cause massive damage to the environment and civilization, which prompts a change to the other system.

  • Well, something like this happened already after the end of the Saint King Reunification War: the Belkans used the so-called "mass-based weaponry" extensively, destroying their own homeworld and polluting the rest, so TSAB's first action was to forbid all advance mass-based technology in favor of pure energy-based ones. The energy-based technology is what we know as regular Magitek in the series. The idea of an Eternal Recurrence is very nice, though, since we know that energy-based magic also involves considerable dangers, such as warping of the time-space, which destroyed the Garden of Time and which was presumably prevented in Striker S by putting limiters on Riot Force 6. Maybe, the previous incarnation of an energy-based magical society was Al-Hazard?
    • The theory is bassed on the assumption that the last major shift happened at least a thousand years before the series, after the Belkan civil war and the recurrence is rather specific to Mid-childa.
      • However, the Sound Stage X Guide Book dates the beginning of Belkan Warring Ages to approximately a thousand years ago, back when Al-Hazard still existed. Belkan homeworld collapsed several centuries ago, and the Belkan civil war (if you refer to the Saint King Unification War) ended just a century or so ago.

Al-Hazard is Mid-Childa

...in an And Man Grew Proud way. That explains why nobody could find it. Also: the Saint's Cradle is said to predate the Ancient Belka, meaning that they could have obtained it from Al-Hazard. After the Saint King Unification War, the Cradle was lost but Scaglietti discovered it again... on Mid-Childa, of all places. If the ship was built on Al-Hazard, it'd would make sense for it to have been programmed to return to it after a certain idle period.

Nanoha will learn Gun Kata and advanced Blaster Bit control.

In the English dubs, Cristina Valenzuela voices Nanoha as well as Lamba-11, Noel Vermillion and Nu-13. With Teana having learnt Starlight Breaker by the time of Sound Stage X, there's no reason why the master can't learn from the apprentice. Let's face it, Gun Kata with Divine Busters instead of bullets would be frakkin' sweet. Having her Blaster Bits flying around throwing beams the way Lambda or Nu deliver swords would also be interesting. One hell of an Actor Allusion at that.

The Belkan Empire was an Empire in name only.

To be precise the planet Belka itself was ruled by an empire, and people from Belka who colonized other planets claimed those planets were part of that empire, but those planets didn't allow the Belkan imperial goverment to have any actual authority over them.

  • So perhaps what happened to the Belkan "Empire" was a repeat of what happened between Great Britain and the 13 Colonies? Where a particularly powerful "subject" world successfully rebelled and the Belkan Empire's loss weakened them?
    • Not a good analogy, as the British Empire recovered quite well from that loss throughout the 1800s. A better analogy would probably be the upheavals of the Belkan civil wars and the economic ruin that likely resulted causing an exponential decline (sort of like what World War I, the Great Depression, and World War II did to the British Empire).

Aerial Mage Hayate joined the Ground Forces because...

...she was so appalled by their dreary brown uniforms, she made it her lifetime mission to change them into something much snazzier.

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