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We really need to unredlink "wiki" on this page. I'm sure Wikipedia or someone has a good page on it that we can link to, if we don't want to write our own definition. -- Looney Toons (talk) 13:50, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Previous page history was archived for backup purposes at Talk:Main Page/LQT Archive 1 on 2016-05-30.

Hey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Summary by Robkelk

Somebody who doesn't understand the law threatened to sue All The Tropes for doing something that is completely legal to do.

KingAdmin (talkcontribs)

I called the creator of tv tropes here to sue these people for being a ripoff of the site. This is a wiki that is a ripoff of tv tropes. Close the wiki or get sued for 100 thousand dollars. kapeesh.

STFilmmaker (talkcontribs)

You KingAdmin, TV Tropes is a joke and the site leads people to malware laced ads. Maybe you should tell your creator to put a stop to that before he's faced with many accusations of FCC Violations that could put him behind bars for 5 - 10 years before you threaten this site or any other site again.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

There is no evidence that KingAdmin has any connection to TVTropes. (I'd suspect the opposite, in fact, if only because that site's current owners know enough about the law to not pull this kind of stunt.)

And I'm going to lock this thread before somebody else bites.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

We have a license to use that text.

And this comment isn't why you just got blocked. Deleting the complete content from a page is why you just got blocked.

We need a new featured article

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Summary by Robkelk

The tropers have been reminded of the process to nominate a new featured article, and the admins have been reminded of the notice about the technical issues.

A new featured article may be Nickelodeon or something like that. Also, there are some errors on the main page, can you please fix those for me? Thank you!

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

There's a pair of links at the bottom of the Featured Article box on the main page. Nobody's added a nomination in over two years.

And I don't see any errors on the Main Page.

Yeah you do.

I don’t care if you don’t.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

MOD: That was an invitation to point out what you believe to be an error, not an invitation to be snarky. Please read All The Tropes:Terms of Service and reply stating whether you have understood this wiki's rules.

PERSONAL: And I still don't see any new nominations for Featured Articles.

RabidTanker (talkcontribs)

Regarding the Featured Articles, I was going to suggest World War II, but what's up with the message saying that you guys aren't accepting anymore nominations?

We’ll suggest it for now, RabidTanker.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

There was some technical trouble when that message was added. I'll have to check with the coding team whether this is still an issue. Thanks for reminding me of that message.

And, Mr. Kelk, I want you to explain why you wouldn’t do this for me.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

RabidTanker asked. You demanded.

Blah-blah-That’s how Robkelks and RabidTankers talk.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

That's how admins respond to polite requests.

And this is how admins respond to obnoxious, entitled annoyances. Enjoy your tempban.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

He's still demanding -- issuing orders for you to explain. Mo, bubbeleh -- bit of advice for you: stop acting like you own the wiki and we're getting in your way. You are a user here, with no more special rights than any other user gets. Remember that getting into arguments with us admins is a fast track to getting a tempban or worse. You do not make demands of us, you do not order us around. Be marginally polite and you will be surprised how much you can get away with. Act like a spoiled brat, as you have been, and you will be given a timeout or even forced to play elsewhere.

-- Looney Toons, Admin

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

Expanding on what my fellow admin has said: It's all right to complain when an admin does something wrong, or to have a civil debate with an admin. It is not all right to ignore the admins altogether, or to demean anyone who contributes to the wiki, or to make demands, or to behave in any other way that violates Rule 1 of the Terms of Service.

Just complain about me.

You’re a little snarky. You know that, right? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂! And yeah you do see a new nomination for a featured article.

Nickelodeon. I don’t care if you don’t see a nomination for a featured article.

This is the best comment chain ever! It’s even bigger than the others! Thank you, guys!

RabidTanker (talkcontribs)

Regarding featured articles, they could add the rest of the major wars when a certain anniversary rolls around. But I feel that will get old after an while. There's other stuff out there, but the pages that I have in mind are: Outdated or haven't been created.

Certain anniversary? Really? I know that I can count on you now. I like you, and you’re amazing! Thanks!

Setting not on major other sections on bottom

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Derivative (talkcontribs)

We do not have the setting pages along with the other sections at the bottom of the mainpage, does anyone know how to fix this?

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Avoid usage of RandomSelection

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Southparkfan (talkcontribs)

DocColress, Robkelk, Looney Toons, Vorticity, GethN7, whoever that would read this: I see you use RandomSelection on this page. RandomSelection prevents this page from being cached at all, and if I didn't hack RandomSelection to comment the $parser->disableCache(); cache line, it would take ages to load the main page (and send a lot of traffic to the backend layer that could have been served by our cache layer, thus lowering the MediaWiki server load).

I know it might be preferred to just have a random article, but can you please revise your system? For example, look at this. Anything that allows me to deprecate RandomSelection (server-side hacks are annoying, and my hacks are not going to be merged upstream, never.) works for me.

Thank you,

Labster (talkcontribs)

So the parser cache is set at one day, which means we get a new page every day. If we want to set this up in advance using basic Mediawiki, we could do something like this:

{{:Featured Article/{{#switch: {{#time: d }}
| 1 = Action Girl
| 2 = Studio Ghibli
| 3 = Santa Claus
...
| 31 = Hanlon's Razor
}}

It's not quite as automatic, or as random, but it would change every day automatically. Or we could switch on {{#time: z }} to set up a whole year at a time. That would allow us to do things like |32 = Groundhog Day|359 = Santa Claus.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

You know, I like that, the holiday-themed featured articles. Just as long as we get a fair representative sample of articles appropriate to non-Christian holidays as well.

GethN7 (talkcontribs)

Sounds like a plan to me. I want to retain RandomSelection for other possible purposes I have in mind, but if we can get this implemented ASAP, do it.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

I was about to say that we already have Category:Holidays to draw upon, but it's almost completely unused. Time to fix that... EDIT: Never mind; Category:Holiday Tropes is much better populated

Labster (talkcontribs)

First draft is at {{ShowFeaturedArticle}}. I actually feel like our featured articles shouldn't be in the template namespace -- they should be in Main as Featured Article/..., or in a separate namespace altogether.

The template is already working, and the random list is prefilled by my Perl 6 script.

GethN7 (talkcontribs)

Nice idea, Labster, and it would be easy to move all of our current Featured Blurbs to another namespace if need be, though I'd like to know your preference as to where more concretely before effecting any changes.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Are there supposed to be so many repeats, or is that just a consequence of how many/few blurbs we've set up? Plus, they seem to cluster by month -- Turns Red appears three times in January, The Beatles (band) three times in February, The "Unicorn In The Garden" Rule three times in March... It's just a bit odd. If it's because we're short of 365.25 blurbs, well, we have a whole page of nominees that we could get to work on picking from.

Labster (talkcontribs)
#define RANDOM_NUMBER 3
/* This was completely random, I rolled it on a fair die */

This is the w:Birthday problem in action. But in general, yeah, it's because we have fewer than 365 nominees to pick from. Note that if we do have 365 nominees to pick from, we'll still get duplicates in a month with a random pick (as this is exactly the Birthday problem), but I'd change the code do to @featured.pick(365) to generate that list.

I'm actually thinking a new namespace, I guess. It doesn't really matter, but a different namespace means blurbs aren't searchable unless one goes out of the way to search them, which I construe as a feature. Also Special:AllPages might be more useful than a category? Anyone want to bikeshed the namespace name? "Featured:" "Blurb:" "FeaturedPage:"?

GethN7 (talkcontribs)

I like this idea.

I'd use the last name for the namespace, but you could have the other options be an alias for it.

Labster (talkcontribs)

OK, pushed. "Featured Page:" is the namespace name for now, and "Blurb:" is the shortcut. Since there won't be that many, if any, wikilinks to these, we should be able to able to rename the namespace later if someone comes up with a better idea.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

In the mean time, I'll try to vet a few more nominees and get them converted over to blurbs. (And use them to replace some of the dupes in the list, rather than rerandomize after the fact.)

I should write a tool to help automate that process, because after doing a couple by hand it really gets boring...

Labster (talkcontribs)

If someone wants to move the pages to a new namespace (hardcoding Main Page during the process), that would be awesome.

This is the script I used to generate the template:

#!/usr/bin/env perl6
use v6;

my $year = 2016;

my @firstdayofmonth = (1..12).map: { Date.new( :$year, :month( $_ )).day-of-year };
my %first-days = @firstdayofmonth.BagHash;

my $filename = @*ARGS[0];
my @pages = ($filename and $filename.IO.r) ?? $filename.IO.lines !! ("");

say "loaded {@pages.elems} pages";

say "<noinclude>Add a page to the appropriate number to make it display as our featured page on that day of the year.";
say "<!-- This is the ISO day minus 1, because PHP --></noinclude>";
say '{{:{{#switch: {{#time: z}}';
my @months = <January February March April May June July August September October November December>;


for 0 .. (Date.new( :$year :12month :31day).day-of-year - 1) -> $day {
    if %first-days{ $day + 1 } {
        say "| ", @months.shift ;
    }
    say "|$day = {@pages.pick.trim}";
}
say "}}}}";
say "<noinclude>[[Category:ATT Templates]]</noinclude>";
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Revi (talkcontribs)

Hey guys,

Do you mind updating Orian infos to Miraheze?

(I have technical permission but I won't do it.)

GethN7 (talkcontribs)

Sure.

If you want to update the Orain information yourself, please, do so with my blessings.

Revi (talkcontribs)

Well, I was told by higher sysadmins (SPF/John) to not to do anything sysop-py things unless it's technically needed. Anyway, did it.

(For downtimes, I restarted the HHVM. SPF and John will investigate it.

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