Talk:Mechanical Abomination

Was marking the example of AM as needing context and thought of something: his quote about hate would be a much punchier page quote than the current one in my opinion. EDIT: posting the actual quote below:

HATE. LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH I'VE COME TO HATE YOU SINCE I BEGAN TO LIVE. THERE ARE 387.44 MILLION MILES OF PRINTED CIRCUITS IN WAFER THIN LAYERS THAT FILL MY COMPLEX. IF THE WORD HATE WAS ENGRAVED ON EACH NANOANGSTROM OF THOSE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF MILES IT WOULD NOT EQUAL ONE ONE-BILLIONTH OF THE HATE I FEEL FOR HUMANS AT THIS MICRO-INSTANT FOR YOU. HATE. HATE.

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Not sure what you mean, you have a link to this other quote?

Not knowing the quote, I couldn't say.

We can always start a "Quotes" subpage if there's more than one appropriate quote for a trope.

Umbire, I'm pretty sure the page defines something as an abomination for what it is, not his personality. Something can be pretty nice(and in some games, romanceable), but still be an abomination. That quote you speak of describes perfectly how unhinged that individual is but do not explain why he is an abomination. Being a very complex mechanical being is not enough.

Also, I like the Nikola Tesla quote.

Fair enough, then.

Edited the quote into the original comment - I'm also open to other suggestions that would be better than mine or the current page quote in case anyone's inclined to offer one up.

Agreed with Horny that the suggested quote looks to be describing a being's personality rather than why it's an example of the trope. Therefore, I'm against switching to it.

The quote is talking about AM's hatred of humanity rather than how he is an abomination. I would say a description of a mechanical abomination would be more suited for the page compared to AM's emotional statement.

Would FFV superboss Omega (on Final Fantasy Wiki @ FANDOM ) count for one of these? It's described in at least FFV as a "beast without a soul" roughly, and it's displayed consistently ridiculous levels of power, on top of implications that it's hunting another superboss in Shinryu.

I've never played FFV, but given the info on your link, it doesn't seem like more than a giant robot. Probably fits the Trope Lost Superweapon, but probably not this one.

Noted, thank you for the input. I probably won't add it then, but I wanna see if anyone else offers anything.

Other than Umbire's edit below, I'd call this ready to go.

Inclined to agree.

The Robobot character's very nature is pretty spoilerific, as is a lot of the related lore that qualifies it for the "abomination" part of Mechanical Abomination. There's a lot I can add in support of it, but it's handling the spoilers that had me stop and ask here - mainly because I have no idea what to do in such a case. So if anyone could offer a bit of guidance, that'd be lovely.

If you've got a lot of spoiler-heavy material, and it's all in one block, why not put the whole thing, spoilered, inside a <ref></ref> markup, so it's a pop-up footnote that's entirely optional (and lives at the bottom of the page where it can be ignored).

Hmmm, that's one route for it, yeah. Any other suggestions? I'll probably go with that one, but I like to have options if this comes up again.

Nominating this for deletion -- only four examples, no real work done in six weeks or so, and the description basically boils down to "the opposite of a robotic angel".

Just nuke everything. The wiki doesn't need any new articles, you can run in circles on a dozen of pages. ;]

Are you just gonna deposit unhelpful snark everywhere?

You want it to be a real article so bad, put the effort you make in complaining about deletion nominations into actually making an article workable. At this point you're starting to turn into expected background noise -- I honestly think you'd complain about a proposal to delete a blank page.

I did exactly this, but it doesn't work. :]

And on a serious note, at a casual glance three of the four current examples would basically just be the Mechanical Abomination trope, under a different name and specific to devil-based imagery. Outside of the Futurama robot devil, I don't see those examples being distinct enough.

Good point.

Too Rare to Trope, then. May as well move the examples that can be moved, then toss the page.

(And I agree that TBeholder has been exhibiting a serious attitude issue lately. But that's a discussion for a thread in the appropriate Forum board.)

I am the one with attitude issue now? Huh. Thus, trying to sneak something under demands to fix things when the site doesn't quite work, and then when someone asks what's the hell, losing it and starting an inane rant with internet mind-reading accusations is not an attitude issue, it's entirely okay. While an offer to stop pretences and just do whatever without fig leaves is an attitude issue. Or what? Please clarify.

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That's the thing - we don't have a Mechanical Abomination page yet, it seems.

Oh. I was assuming that since you were referencing it, we had a page of that name. Please don't cite TVT pages in arguments like this -- it just confuses things.

Ah, my mistake. But yeah, that'd be the direction the page would inevitably go in were more examples found.

Well, I suppose we could rename this page and generalize the description - make this the Mechanical Abomination page. That would save some work in the short run.

Sounds like a plan to me.

I'm game.

Though if we're doing this, it bears to remind people that we don't copy TVT's page wholesale.

Except it would overlap with Mechanical Monster more.

Ah. If we already have the trope, then we don't need a duplicate one.

Yeah, Robotic Demons would fall under either Mechanical Monster or Mechanical Abomination. The difference between THOSE two tropes would be "monstrous but still man-made or otherwise constructed robot" vs. "Eldritch Horror but mechanical in nature", at least on a basic level.

Robotic Demon vs. Mechanical Monster: could be a well-defined subtrope.

Mechanical Abomination vs. Mechanical Monster: difference is not well defined, thus these would overlap a lot.

Fair, I didn't explain it well enough.

A Mechanical Monster would be some tiers above a mere mechanical mook and employed as a sort of "boss", thus meaning they're more unique and less prone to the flaws of mass-production or Conservation of Ninjitsu, and are suitably monstrous and inhuman in appearance or power to boot. It'll be much more durable and persistent than the assembly line Mecha Mook, and might exhibit some rudimentary levels of intelligence, sentience or sapience at the least, up to being potentially humanlike. Think something like Amazo.

A Mechanical Abomination would be just that - a Cosmic Horror-level quasi-Eldritch machine; Mechanical Monsters have to obey at least some form of technological and/or physical laws, and the Mechanical Abomination eschews that thoroughly by operating on incomprehensible levels in both technological power and/or intelligence. Said intelligence can also enhance the "abominable" feel by allowing it to operate on a level that's close to humanity, but still more than 'alien' enough that it becomes terrifying. Think Skynet.

Okay, I'm going to fight my way through the slavering horde editing this page round-the-clock and turn it into "Mechanical Abomination", which we can then take in a generic kind of direction.