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Dash can see the future to a certain extent.

In the limo scene right before they find Syndrome with Jack-Jack, Dash says "...And then you (Mr. Incredible) threw that car..." However, Mr. Incredible NEVER threw a car before in the entire movie. Ever. BUT in five minutes, he takes out Syndrome with a thrown car. Also, Dash knew that the supersuits Edna made were special. He says "I dunno. Why did Mom try and hide them?", but keeping in mind he's really young, he probably doesn't even know he can see the future yet. And near the beginning he says "[If everyone is special], then no one is." Which parallels nicely what Syndrome told the entire family when they were imprisoned. Of course, the latter two examples could have been explained as the truth / story symmetry, but when you look at it with the first example in mind...

  • This likely stems from the Super Reflexes he taps into while fighting Syndrome's mooks. His mind moves so quickly that he's borderline (and most likely fully, on occasion) precognitive!

Mirage is an assassin (maybe even a metahuman one)

"We have something in common. According to the government, neither of us exists."

It's not like Disney or Pixar is gonna have her come out and say, "yes, I kill people for a living".

Considering the comic book influence here, she is Silver Sable, Elektra, Tommy Monaghan (The Hitman), Forerunner, Bullseye, Jessica Priest, Deathstroke and maybe a little Deadpool thrown in.

  • She's at the very least a spy, now working with the NSA in the comics.

Mirage is a metahuman assassin.

For the assassination thereof, not possessing metahuman qualifications. She doesn't exist because the government refuses to publicly acknowledge killing off an supers that refuse to register, and cannot hire super heroes to stop them or send in the home guard without too much collateral damage. Nomanisan Island was sold to Mirage or Syndrome and added to the registry of those little countries that are to be ignored unless they start committing genocide on one another, with Mirage's payment (and, probably without them knowing but possibly in a tech-for-federal-aid deal, Syndrome's inventing budget) coming out of a developing countries package. Any supers that die there are ignored because the Nomanisan Police force (Mirage) find nothing suspicious, which is backed up by the Nomanisan Police Internal affairs bureau (also Mirage) and the Nomanisan federal Bureau of Investigation (...just guess), and the Parrs' country of residence (I assume an alternate-universe America, but don't recall if they avoided the A name) lists the Nomanisan investigation departments as "probably not a nationwide conspiracy, we can vouch for them as long as nobody bothers looking into it". While Nomanisan Island does exist, as do (presumably) the bureaucratic positions that Mirage fill (as well as possibly Syndrome), Mirage herself is merely an undocumented stand-in with no official recognizance by the country that banned the supers, poised to disappear at a moments' notice and leave the entire country of Nomanisan Island "mysteriously" abandoned, like the Mary Celeste incident for an entire nation.

Oliver Sansweet wasn't suicidal.

Some shadowy third party wished to destroy the Supers through litigation, and so they paid or blackmailed Sansweet into jumping precisely so he could be rescued by a Super and press charges.

  • They may have assisted Syndrome's rise to power.
  • If there is a sequel, then this third party will be the Big Bad.
    • In the original concept, a shifty millionaire/lawyer/CorruptCorporateExecutive named Xerek was the Big Bad, and the lawsuit angle was a much bigger plot element.
    • And thus, the man who masterminded this suicide, in order to kickstart his Evil Plan..is Adrian Veidt (see below).

After the Omnidroid was defeated, Agent Rick Dicker arranged to have Bob's sports car towed back to the Parr's house from the airport. He then treated the Incredibles to dinner before giving them a limo ride home.

This would explain why the sports car was in the driveway and why it's twilight when the Parrs arrive home.

Mirage is an advanced android.

Syndrome was a scientific genius who crafted amazing things in small packages. If Mirage was programmed with Syndrome's entire worldview, it probably includes whatever led to his initial fawning over Mr. Incredible; thus, the attraction. Syndrome probably just couldn't figure out how to make her superhumanly powerful on that tiny frame and so ruled out using her for assassinations directly. AIs he developed had a tendency to go rampant and act for their own self-preservation; Mirage's Heel Face Turn was probably her putting her own needs above her master's. It was unexpected, which is why Syndrome is shocked when she acts coldly towards him.

Mirage has superpowers.

Hence her comment to Mr. Incredible, "According to the government, neither of us exists," and her quick recovery from Elastigirl punching her in the face. She hid her powers from Syndrome because she knew of his hatred for Supers. This was why she didn't use her powers to save herself when Mr. Incredible was threatening to break her like a toothpick.

  • Alternatively, one of her powers is resistance to crushing injuries.
  • Mirage's powers were some kind of invisibility/distortion. In the part where Mr.Incredible drops her, Mirage seemed to liquefy as she fell down. It would explain her odd name: "Mirage" means "illusion", and so she chose a code name based on her superpowers.
  • She could phase through objects. She DID phase in the background of one scene.
    • Which scene?

Mirage is an undocumented, illegal immigrant.

  • She's an unnamed fugitive from a women's prison in El Salvador (which explains her slight Spanish accent). Her appearance is attributable to the fact that she's an albino who wears green contact lenses. Syndrome used his technology to implant many years worth of English studies into her mind simultaneously, just as Morpheus did with Neo's "kung-fu" program in The Matrix.

Helen pulled her punch when she hit Mirage

She's a veteran super and knows how to restrain herself to avoid leaving corpses in her wake. She also pulled her punch(es) on the burglar in the first act.

Mirage is future!Helen Parr.

Her crush-proof power is elasticity.

Elastigirl, having been given free legal use of her powers, develops control over her own body to such an extent that she can control individual tissues unconsciously without resorting to the form she usually sees herself as. She will never die of systemic organ failure; she can only take damage on a cellular level (burning, poison, lack of oxygen//blood). She can not only change her shape, but also finer details such as facial features; and she can keep her skin wrinkle-free. The only thing she can't do is change her hair color, which either fades naturally to white or is dyed when she is sent back from the future to help stop Syndrome.

She falls for Mr. Incredible the way she does, not because she's shallow, but because he was her first love and her husband from decades or even centuries ago.

"Mirage" refers, not to her powers, but to a personal nickname, a code name for the anti-Syndrome project, or her not being who she appears to be but instead who she doesn't.

  • What about the scenes where Mirage and Helen are in the shot together? Especially the one where Helen walks in on Bob hugging Mirage?
    • She was sent back from the future. Why would Helen recognize her disguised future self? Why would Mirage give it away if Rule 1 was not to admit to the existence of Time Travel? Remember the Back to The Future rules about meeting oneself!
  • Alternately, Mirage is Helen from a future controlled by Syndrome. She was sent back as part of a top-secret spy project to Set Right What Once Went Wrong, and, due to Laser-Guided Amnesia, remembers nothing of her life before she traveled back in time. She only knows what to do because of thoughts passing through her mind - secret transmissions from the future. She will never remember, so as not to Logic Bomb herself out of existence.

Mirage had no superpowers, but was a superhero anyhow.

Badass Normal can't be ruled out. Given that Syndrome wanted to be a superhero but had no powers, it could be a reason for her to empathize.

The "lava wall" of Syndrome's tiki dining room isn't lava at all; it's two wall-sized plasma TV's looping footage of flowing lava. Ditto for the secret passage.

Even ignoring the complete lack of convection, the movement of the "lava" is not consistent with the way a liquid would flow. And it's the kind of thing Syndrome would do.

  • Six screens: two facing the Totem room, two facing the computer room, and two facing inwards at each other.
  • Seems unlikely, as the lava flow is not completely flat. Look closely and you'll see bumpiness along the "walls"
    • Optical illusion. Surely Syndrome could afford 3-D.

Violet's dark hair is a secondary effect of the mutation that produced her superpowers.

She couldn't have gotten dark hair from her parents: dark hair is dominant, while blond and red hair are recessive.

  • Red isn't Helen's natural hair color, or black isn't Violet's.
  • The genes of Supers are not like those of Muggles; for them, dark hair is recessive, and light colors are dominant. We have no evidence of Supers and Normals crossbreeding, and so they might be separate species.
  • Alternately, supers' hair can change over time more drastically than normals'. We only see the younger Elastigirl through a sepia filter world, so her hair color could have been different (darker or lighter) when she was a kid (also kind of works with "Mirage is Helen Parr" above).
  • Alternately again, since invisibility involves light-warping, maybe Violet can (consciously or unconsciously) change her hair color. Or, maybe Elastigirl's real power is general shapeshifting, she's just unaware of its full potential and never changes colors because she doesn't know she can.
  • Or maybe she dyed her hair. * killed horribly*
  • Elastigirl's hair is clearly much redder in the prologue than it is in the main part of the movie. It's pretty safe to say that she dyes it.

Mister Incredible bleaches his hair.

He likes having the look, and was happy that Dash got it naturally through recessive blonde genes. The reason his hair doesn't turn super-brittle and washed out once the melanin is leached from it? He dyes it blonde after bleaching it, and his hair has Nigh Invulnerability just like the rest of him.

    • If he bleaches it from a dark color, that is dyeing it blonde. There's no reason to add dye to it.

Violet is adopted, possibly from another family who didn't want to deal with having a superpowered child in a world where superheroes weren't wanted.

  • Thanks, this helps justify my completely insane Violet/Dash pairing.
    • I hate you so much.
      • Well... they did wake-up spooning...
      • Not why Dash is all 'ick, gross! That's my sister' after words.... And yes, you are completely insane if you support that pairing. That, or you don't have any younger or older sibs to know how accurately the film portrayed the relationship.
        • Well, to be the devil's advocate, it could just as easily have been, "ick, gross! That's a girl', considering his age.
    • Thank God. I'm not the only one who supports it. Now, the question remains as to whether I should write that Fan Fiction or not.

Helen had an affair.

She accused Bob of it. And it's easier to suspect people of things one has done oneself.

  • And Violet is the result, an illegitimate offspring of Helen and an unknown, dark haired Gentleman.
    • Well, Helen used to date Xerek according to the comics. And the solicits for future issues point towards some dark secret of Violet's being revealed...
      • The first hint might have been the nature of her powers. While everyone in her family has some kind of physical super ability (even Jack-Jack, if you consider his flotilla of powers "physical abilities"), Violet can make her self invisible and create force fields. She bends light around herself and manipulates energy to create force fields. Edna even went as far to state that designing her suit was "tricky", because of her invisibility power. Assuming that the type of superpower you have is dependent on the nature of your parents' power...
  • Oooo! Helen had an affair with The Thing, because she's able to stretch to "accommodate" his size!
  • No!!!! Frozone is Violet's real father.

Syndrome is a super but doesn't know it.

The kind of gadgeteering he does isn't really possible, even in a superhero universe. He invented working rocket boots at the age of, what, eleven? He doesn't recognize his own power, which leads to his idolization of Mr. Incredible and the Freudian Excuse that turns him evil.

  • Syndrome was some sort of technology-manipulating Super, but (given the age) was born ahead of his time and therefore went unnoticed.
  • The super intelligence that both Edna and Syndrome display in their work is a superpower and "technically" makes them supers, just a more subtle kind.
  • The point is HE doesn't know it. Remember, it wasn't Mr. Incredible who told him he wasn't a Super, it was Buddy who said that's what he thought Mr. Incredible meant. In his mind, being a super genius doesn't count as a power like superstrength or shooting ice, but in reality, it is.

Syndrome is a Spark!

Syndrome is Sylar.

Can you think of another character who fails to realise the full potential of his powers, thinks himself powerless, and decides to kill everyone as a result?


Syndrome's parents were Supers, but he didn't inherit the gene.

It's happened before in other shows/books/series, where two "supernatural" type characters have a child who doesn't have powers. It would also add to his bitterness toward Supers, since it wasn't his fault that he didn't have powers but his parents did. He'd feel the need to prove himself, not only to Mr. Incredible, but also to his parents, showing them that he could still be super without powers.

  • Perhaps his super intelligence isn't considered a power in such universe, and he thought it sucked.

All Supervillains have been killed

No, seriously. What happened to them?

  • One theory is, after cracking down on heroic Supers (who mostly went quietly), the government (or whoever was behind the lawsuit conspiracy presented in the first theory) did something similar to supervillains, bribing them with amnesty or money. Or possibly, they came down on them with the military. Hard. Of course, the thrill of having superheroes to fight again drew at least one supervillain, the Underminer, out of the woodwork, so it's possible that not having superhero opponents to fight was a factor in the villains' retirement.
  • It's in Headscratchers/TheIncredibles.
  • In the Watchmen Universe, Supervillains realized how stupid, costly, impractical, and noticeable it is to wear a purple suit while robbing banks. These villains realize low key underground criminal activity is a better choice to profit from than the flashy over the top terrorist acts; this could very happen in the Incredibles universe.
    • They may also feel really silly being the only people in costume with the heroes fighting them
  • Not all supervillains have been killed. Only the "super"/metahuman ones (see below).
  • Jossed by the comics, an entire Legion of Doom known as the Confederacy of Crime was active around Jack-Jack's birth and continues to be a threat to the family.
    • Plus Bomb Voyage had escaped from the villain crackdown.
      • But wasn't Bomb Voyage only featured in the first act, which was the cause of the SRA, and not yet under it? Heros were still around and so were villans, at least up until the lawsuit.

The supervillains decided to stay quiet while the superheroes were being recalled because a mass supervillain incursion would probably make people change their minds.

The ones that survived the military crackdown retired, worked more quietly in the criminal underworld or, like the Underminer, went underground and planned for when the superheroes inevitably returned.

The supervillains won.

They successfully infiltrated the government and society, and orchestrated the criminalization of superheroism. Now most of 'em are happily living in their penthouses.

There were NEVER any "super" villains.

Everyone who had powers was a superhero. The influence the government had over the supers and there being no older heroes implies certain things...

No super-powered villains are seen because the Super gene comes with a compulsion to protect others.

All supers are driven to become heroes. We see no supervillains onscreen at all. This is mutually exclusive with the "Syndrome is a secret Super" theory above unless Syndrome has a rare mutation or genetic glitch that nullifies this compulsion.

  • Syndrome was originally compelled to do good - he originally wanted nothing more than to team up with Mr. Incredible. Had Mr. Incredible allowed this, Syndrome would never have gone crazy and systematically killed all the other Supers, though he would've had his superhero career cut short. (The day he offered to team up was the same day supers got sued into secrecy.)
    • Actually, if Mr. Incredible had just let Buddy be his sidekick, the kid wouldn't have tried to fly off for help, thus never giving Bomb voyage the opportunity to slip an explosive onto his cape. If the train overpass hadn't been exploded, Sansweet's case might ot have generated enough public sentiment to trigger the flood of lawsuits. What this implies is that not only is Bob the reason Syndrome came into being, his refusal to make little Syndrome his sidekick indirectly CAUSED the SRA.
  • Jossed. In the extras, there are interviews with several Supers. Some appear to only be in the hero game for money or resources; at least one (Gamma Jack) was an out and out sociopath who took pleasure in killing his opponents and thought he was above normal humans.
    • The reason we don't see or hear the name "Gamma Jack" is that, by the time the movie happens, he is known by another name...Rorschach (see below).
      • But we do see the name "Gamma Jack"—he's in the slideshow of people who (ahem) helped work the bugs out of the Omnidroid.

Physical powers come with a pathological urge for saving people, whereas technopathy comes with a tendency towards sociopathy and (possibly environmental) megalomania or need for attention.

Regardless of Gamma Jack, who was nuts anyway but had to express his murderous side in a way that made him a hero, the heroes and villains tend to be delineated between "good guys" with super powers and bad guys with gadgets. Syndrome and Underminer had a thing about comparing themselves to others (Buddy because of Mr. Incredible's rant at the beginning of the film), but Bomb Voyage just did it for the money (and possibly spite), as far as we know. If technopathy is looked down upon as a "normal" thing (i.e., non-super), it may be ingrained through many technologically themed supers being treated like dirt by the "actual" supers.

  • This doesn't explain Edna. She's clearly got tech powers too, which is how she can make the super suits and all the widgets in her house.
    • Yes, but Edna's real role is never defined. She gives to the highest bidder, not to the best cause. Also, remember her rant when Mr. Incredible first turns up at her house about "puny little supermodels" and how she used to "design for gods". She's just as bigoted against normal people as Syndrome and Bomb Voyage, she just doesn't care enough to fight them. It's also possible that she became allied with a Super early on in her career, and she was never compelled to move back to villainy.
  • Bomb Voyage seemd to just have ridiculous body proportions. Does anyone here remember what his FACE looked like? Villiany was his only option, because, honestly, would anyone hire someone like that for a normal job?

The Supers were a project to create supersoldiers for the government.

The lawsuits were a conspiracy to get them out of the public eye after they started acting excessively and visibly. The original Supers were ignored because a better, more secret second generation were created.----

  • The government called this project..."Project Manhattan" (see below).

This movie takes place in the Watchmen Earth

Maybe, during the montage, we just saw the creation of the Keene Act. Maybe Syndrome was inspired by Ozymandias. Maybe we don't see the more dystopian aspects of the Watchmen Earth because this is, after all, a Disney production.

Maybe "Rick Dicker" is an alias for Richard Nixon, President of the United States. Note that "Rick" and "Dick" are both alternate forms of the name "Richard".

  • Maybe this theory is sexy. Notice how, even in Watchmen, there are a couple of superheroes killed by their capes—Dollar Bill infamously got his caught in a revolving door and was gunned down. The prologue scene took place during the "Under the Hood" era, just not in New York - NONE of it is in New York, which is why there are no smoldering craters, etc.
  • One problem: Watchmen has only one super. Everyone else is a Badass Normal wearing their underwear on the outside.
    • Theory one: Manhattan is just the only "super" (the correct word is METAHUMAN) that we saw, not the only one there is.
    • Theory two: Being god-like, Manhattan decided that he, and he alone, should be the only "super" around. Thus, after the events of the movie, he killed the whole Incredibles team as well as Frozone and any superhero around.
      • That would be out of keeping with his character.
    • Theory three: after defeating the Underminer, their next case was the murder of the Comedian. Ozymandias killed them in order to silence them.
      • There's one problem with this, as evil as Veidt is, I highly doubt he'd personally murder children (especially since he probably knows how to brainwash people.)
  • In the original Watchman comic, there was at least one natural telepath. How many other unseen superhumans were around in the Watchmanverse?
    • It was said it was a LATENT telepath. Meaning she/he did not have access to their power.

The Incredibles takes place during the 2000s of the Watchmen universe.

Dr. Manhattan did leave radiation behind during the 1960s, and it resulted in the mutation of humans into "Supers." This is where they came from. Their existence was covered up more than other heroes' because people would be deathly afraid of multiple superpowered people; most people convinced themselves that such an era never existed. Syndrome hunted them all down because he was related to Rorschach (red hair, freckles, butt ugly) and wanted to avenge his death at the hands of Dr. Manhattan; because Manhattan was gone, he settled for killing the remaining supers.

  • Or maybe the supers weren't the result of random mutation—they were the humans that Manhattan said he was going to create.
  • Unlikely; check the corresponding WMG page for Watchmen. Considering the theory that Watchmen leads up to the End of Days, it's unlikely the world would have lasted into the 2000s.


Syndrome (Buddy) is Mr. Incredible's bastard son.

It's not far fetched, assuming that Mr. Incredible was in his late twenties in the movie's prologue. If he had a fling with someone in high school (or shortly after high school)... their looks aren't that far apart.

  • That has a Real Life explanation: they're both modeled on Brad Bird.

Edna Mode is a limited precognitive.

She would need to make the suits for each family member. Even assuming she just adjusted Bob and Helen's old measurements as needed, how could she know the powers and measurements of the kids?

  • Limited? She predicted that Jack-Jack's powers would have to do with fire!
  • Edna's just Crazy Awesome and Crazy Prepared. She specifically says that she didn't know what Jack Jack's powers were; she just covered all the bases. She even made it machine washable! Also, she probably used something similar to Elastigirl's stretchy outfit to provide a margin of error.
  • Maybe Edna knew about Dash and Violet's powers because she read about them in the Parr's annual Christmas letters (or whatever). It's not as if they cut off all contact with their super-peers after going underground (see Frozone). Edna is enough of a friend that both Bob and Helen could call her without any problem.
    • Are we all forgetting that she spent the day catching up with Bob when he came to get his suit fixed? How could that conversation have not included at some point, "So, do the children have any powers?"
  • Another of Edna's achievements is a kind of fabric with ink that can change shape for a limited amount of time. This fabric would later be improved and perfect by a young seamster called Walter Kovacks (see above).
    • Problem with that: Kovacks didn't create the fabric; Dr. Manhattan did. Kovacks just got hold of the dress that Manhattan made when the women he made it for didn't want it anymore.

The "Everyone can be Super!" plot was originally Xerek's (the Big Bad who could have been).

Syndrome is half an obsessive Stalker with a Crush whose life has centered around one-upping Mr. Incredible ever since his rejection, half a kid who wants to play Superhero a little too realistically. There is no reason for him to want to make everyone in the world Super—either for altruistic reasons, as his Misaimed Fandom has mistakenly concluded, or for evil reasons. He himself admits, "When everyone's Super, no one will be..." What is the connection between such a plan and every other facet of his character?

When Xerek was cut and Syndrome was promoted to Big Bad, Syndrome's revenge plot was promoted likewise. That's why Pixar randomly left in that one line—which is never set up, never explored, and never mentioned again—is a mystery. So is the ignorance of the second sentence, which reveals that his motives are entirely evil without even a Utopia Justifies the Means personal justification.

  • He regretted being a superhero fan in his youth. He still has all the fanatic tendencies that made him a fan, but it's only natural that he would destroy the superhero fandom that frustrated him. Plus, it doesn't require any strong justification; it is one of the few parts of his plan that would actually help people and make the world a better place.
  • The 'No-one will be' part could be a Take That at Mr Incredible for (at least in Syndromes' mind) saying he is not a super. In effect, it would leave Mr Incredible and his family just like everyone else for the rest of their lives, with not even any powers to make themselves unique. Besides, the line is hinted at beforehand (See the page quote on the main page).

Syndrome is a homage on Iron Man during the Civil War.

No physical powers? Check. Ability to make himself superhero through being Gadgeteer Genius? Check. Flying through rocket system? Check. Opposes Supers? Check. Attacked Mr. Incredible, a Superman Ersatz? double check.

Syndrome was an active, and Mirage was his handler.

The plan was set in place by Rossum. They took one of their best programmers (Buddy Pine), implanted him with memories of crushing rejection by Mr. Incredible, and made him want to seek revenge. They then used him to destroy all the supers so that the United States would be left without protection. They could then use Syndrome (who, if he was in the D.C Dollhouse would likely have the code name of Kronos), to be the sole protection of America, controlled by the Rossum Corporation.

  • Also, Mr. Incredible and family (along with the rest of the supers) were genetically-enhanced actives used by the government who somehow got a hold of the technology. They were retired and released to live normal lives after protesting from people who thought it was inhumane to make normal people be super soldiers. They kept their memories of fighting off threats, and their powers, and lived somewhat normal lives as sleeper actives (so that the government could activate them if they ever needed to wipe out threats again). Their handler was, obviously, Rick Dicker. When they successfully defeated Rossum's revenge-imprinted programmer (Syndrome), much to the happiness of general public, they decided they could bring back the genetically enhanced actives to fight off rogue actives (supervillains) and further threats from Rossum and other companies with imprinting technologies.
    • As for how Mr. Incredible recognized Buddy... all those events happened in the past, but it did not have such an adverse effect on Buddy Pine, who went on to be a programmer for Rossum until he was imprinted and sent to kill off all the superhuman actives. He started glitching towards the end the movie, even to the point of almost letting his handler die. By that time, Mirage decided it was best to let the Incredibles go so they could stop the glitching Syndrome from ruining things for Rossum completely.

Jack-Jack is an elemental.

I have no real technology- or physics-related explanations, but still. Jack-Jack, at least currently, has shown powers that could be related to specific elements. Bursting into flame and laser vision (concentrated heat/light) are obviously fire. Transformation into a demon/devil/monster/whatever you want to call it is darkness. Transformation into metal/stone (or density control if you want to call it that) is earth, metal, or something similar. Phasing, flight/anti-gravity, and teleportation could be considered spirit, out of lack for a better name. Of course, he could also gain other forms and elements as he grows older and more experienced, such as air (which flight/anti-gravity could also fall under) or light (which could possibly be combined with fire). Feel free to offer explanations, forms, elements, etc.

Jack-Jack has a single matter/energy conversion power.

Mostly but not entirely copied from my original entry on the Just Bugs Me page: His powers at the end, with enough Rules Lawyering, can explain everything in "Jack-Jack Attack". The Eye Beams and Playing with Fire can have the same sources, if the former is just a very focused expression of the latter (emitting heat and light). The floating and walking on the ceiling are neutral and negative buoyancy, whereas the Heavy Jack-Jack at the end was a combination of shapeshifting and positive buoyancy. Going through the walls can be explained by many of the things that allow density change, such as if he has the single overall power of being able to change local matter (that is, his body) to energy and back, while affecting the way it is stored or used. If he has some way of containing heat or kinetic energy, or can adjust the stored energy to mass ratio by even a small amount (extra bonds instead of simple particles, etc.), he's probably been storing up extra environmental energy since his power first activated. Dash almost definitely has some energy-related powers, and Violet's shields are energy-based as well, so it's not unprecedented (although if I try to bring Superpower Genetics into this without Mr. Incredible having some sort of tactile telekinesis, I'd end up saying that all supers' powers are moving energy around in their own special way, which is true for all life as we define it).

All supers' powers are moving energy around in their own special way.

See above. I jest, at least partly. But it could be interesting to see someone take that line of thought and run with it.

  • Mr. Incredible might have the power to enhance the energy of his body's molecular bonds—this would explain not only the invulnerability, but, since muscle cells use those same intermolecular forces to contract, it would cover his super-strength as well. Elastigirl has the power to manipulate those same molecular forces in a different way, to reshape her body. Dash simply channels kinetic energy through his body.

Jack-Jack's single power is Reality Warping.

He can adjust reality so that the world behaves as though each of his New Powers as the Plot Demands was the real one. Of course, being a baby, his mind tends to wander and jump randomly. It's possible he'll grow up to be a good version of the Superman: The Animated Series version of Mr. Mxyzptlk.

Syndrome invented all the technological extras.

It takes place in a 60sish time setting, but has things like computers and CD's. Well, it doesn't seem like much of a leap that Syndrome invented those in this world. He just doesn't mention them because they seem less impressive than weapons.

    • Some aspects of it may have a 60ish aesthetic, mainly the Incredimobile and one suburban house, but nothing else suggests it takes place in anything but the present day.
      • Rewatch the scene where Mr Incredible is viewing Syndrome's computer files on all the supers. The file for Elastigirl states that her last activity (i.e. the opening scene of the movie, or shortly afterwards) was in 1955. Since the present day is 15 years later, the movie is taking place in 1970 or so.
  • Fridge Brilliance. Syndrome mentions that he sold a lot of his inventions and that's why he's filthy rich. He says he only kept the best inventions, like the Omnidroid and the Zero Point Energy for himself.

Mesmerella, from the comics, is Music Meister's sister

She's an Evil Redhead with a gaptooth, weird glasses and hypnotic powers. Her brother just has all the family's singing talent.

Sky High takes place in the future of The Incredibles world.

Obviously, the super-powered high school has been created so that the next generation of heroes can learn to use their powers without undo destruction towards the city that they're protecting.

    • PS238 might also be in the Incredibles universe.

Syndrome was a hero.

The entire plot of the movie in the present day was a Xanatos Gambit by Syndrome and the "dead" heroes to show the world that superheroes were still needed, by creating a super-threat and calling the Incredibles into action. They come back into open action and are accepted as heroes, or he is; Either way, super heroes make a comeback. Hey, it's not more convoluted than the Joker's plan in The Dark Knight.

Syndrome does have superpowers.

...But not in a flashy and obvious way like flexiblity or flight. He invents rocket boots as a child. As an adult he invents robots, force-fields and war weapons. His superpower is his superbrain. He does not realize it as all of the popular superpowered people he looked up to as a child had more heroic abilitys.

  • Either that, or his power is to keep that ridiculous hairdo up even in the heat of battle.

Violet dyes her hair black.

It would not be out of character for her, and notice how her hair has a purple/blue gleam to it. If her hair was naturaly black it would be dark brown, with the appearance of black. It also explains why her parents have blonde and aubern hair yet she has dark hair. It would mean that her real hair is either blonde, aubern, or reddish-blonde.

The connections of "Kronos" that are slightly too unconfirmed to go on a main page

Kronos referred to Mr. Incredible, with Syndrome as Zeus. Having been (in his mind) the metaphorical son of Mr. Incredible, inspired by him and made in his image, after Kronos attempted to destroy Zeus with his greater power as a titan, Zeus came back and destroyed Kronos and the other titans, making the world safer and giving the gods (nonsupers) free and collectively omnipotent reign over the new world paradigm. However, it was Syndrome who was eventually taken down by his true (though not biological) son when attempting to destroy it.
Interestingly enough, though I don't think it goes that far, Kronos created a whole bunch of things and beings (mainly gods that are nowadays considered subservient to Zeus) when he castrated his father, Ouranus, which could be compared to Syndrome taking Mr. Incredible's kids and possibly both emasculating him and taking his wife away by having Mirage mess with his head and overtly flirt with him. Credence could be given to this if the Underminer and similar villains adapted their technology from Syndrome's marketed inventions, since that (the inventions) was what was cast off in the attempted destruction of Ouranos, but I don't know from whence their tech came and that would be stretching the metaphor a bit.

Syndrome and Mirage actually did work for the government.

Nomanisan Island was a government-owned weapons research and testing facility. It explains why Syndrome was able to do so many things on the island that the United States would have investigated and shut down years ago if it were Syndrome's own private island. The government never figured there was anything up with them, and every time they would send someone to check up on Syndrome, they could just pretend that everything was normal and nice. Syndrome earned a ton of money working for the United States, and of course on the side dealing weapons to other countries and criminal organizations secretly and illegally.

  • Or, the island just was outside the U.S. government's jurisdiction.

This universe is a hallucination by Captain Hammer.

After Penny died, Hammer couldn't accept it, so he came up with an elaborate universe where he is not mean, and his actions are justified. He slowly, after talking to a therapist, begins to admire and envy Dr. Horrible, thus explaining how his general 'fight against soceity' and blonde hair are similar to the villain. Syndrome represents Dr. Horrible, obviously, and is made to be sinister and cruel, instantly disregarding life. Also, in grasping to the idea that everyone admires him, Syndrome admires him. (Also, Mr. Incredible accidently called Buddy "Billy" once and threw a car at his head.) Penny is split into two people. Elastigirl, the Penny he loves who loves him in return and is a little nerdy, with flexibility as a bonus. Second, is Mirage, the Penny that "Dr. Horrible was creating," the terrible girl who doubted him and cared about radical ideas. The family was based on what he wanted to happen.

  • This requires a MASSIVE Alternate Character Interpretation of Captain Hammer to the point where it shatters my willing suspension of disbelief. Hammer was never shown to truly care about Penny, and he even stated that the only reason he went after her was that Billy wanted her. Had Dr. Horrible not been so obviously in love with Penny, he probably would've just used her as a one-night stand. The basic concept of Captain Hammer being anything other than a raging egomaniac who plays the hero simply for personal glory is beyond Out of Character for what's shown in the musical.
    • True Captain Hammer didn't care about Penny but he might have started believing his own lies. If he's responding to anything its feeling pain. Say he went to therapy to recover from his loss, and while Captain Hammer was telling his story his therapist defied logic and decided to tell the person who has super strength and tried to kill somebody for laughs that maby he was really the villian and Dr. Horrible was the hero. Considering Captain Hammer mental capacity he would have to spell it out. He might have meshed himself and Justice Joe into Mr.Incredible, and possably Jhonny Snow and Dr. Horrible and creating a story where they are essentially switched around. Instead of being upset that his hero stole his lines from a bully he's upset that he couldn't accept that he would only get in the way and blew everything way out of proportion. Instead of him really making everything worse people are doing lame things like complaining of whiplash when they would have dead. Instead of stifiling the natural talents of smart people and being hyper elitest Buddy is styfling the talents of Supers. In the Incredibles the hero couldn't kill while the villian was all to willing to watch. Syndrome was the one willing to endanger people so he could play the hero. It could also be the was Captain Hammer thinks the world works.

Syndrome owns Apple

He sends Mr. Incredible a freaking iPad!!

  • Then he must own Paramount too, because Star Trek TNG had "padds" just like that in 1987.

The period of superhero repression in that world is when Despicable Me takes place.

Think of it, supervillains feel secure enough to have a banking system for their operations and can easily overwhelm governments without worrying about superheroes trying to stop them.

Syndrome wanted Mr. Incredible to kill Mirage

He had a real sinister look on his face when he had her in his grip and sounded real disappointed when he couldn't do it.

Mr. Incredible was in on it.

Suburban midlife crisis was driving him completely insane, so he agreed to do a high-stakes LARP with his devoted fan, Buddy, even when it meant putting his family and the world on the line.

That mugging was staged.

Seriously, the timing is just too perfect. A mugger decides to, in broad daylight, commit theft in a busy part of the city, with a street nearby, under a window where Mr. Incredible just happens to be standing? Clearly, Mirage, after planting the pad, signaled a pair of actors to stage the mugging, as part of a Batman Gambit to get Mr. Incredible to act, blowing his cover and/or getting fired, as incentive to agree to work for Syndrome.

  • Especially after considering that the mugger didn't take anything. Watch him leave; he throws the wallet back on top of the victim. Also, the most violent part was done on the side of the dumpster away from Mr. Incredible, which means it would be easier to stage it like that. That side of the dumpster was closer to the street, too, where it would be easier for a pedestrian to see. However, keep Disneyfication in mind.
  • This becomes especially clear since, even if the mugger didn't recognize the cubicle drone in the office as Mr. Incredible (Clark Kenting is alive and well in the universe after all), he could hardly have missed that said cubicle drone was about three times the size of the midget in the suit.
  • This would make sense, although for the not taking anything you could handwave it as the robber taking the cash out of it and throwing the empty wallet back.

S on Syndrome's costume actually stands for 'Superman'.

Superman comics exist in Incredibles universe, and Buddy wanted to become a hero like Superman. This could also be a subtle Take That at Superman by Disney.

Syndrome is Jimmy Neutron.

Take another look at that hair. Who else has hair like that and invents things? Sometime down the line, he got wanged on the head and was convinced that his name was Buddy, and lost all memories except for ones involving that one episode where all the main characters were superheroes, so he got the idea that he was always meant to be a superhero.

    • Or he's Jimmy Neutron who got stuck in another dimension; or that 'verse's Jimmy.

Helen had the easiest childbirths EVER.

Having Violet and Dash? No labor problem, just stretch!

Jack-Jack will settle into a single power as he grows older.

I don't know who, but somebody said that Jack-Jack had so many powers to represent the endless potential young children have. Also, it would make a wierd sort of sense in the universe that the reason the supers have such suiting abilities is because they weren't born with them specifically, but their abilities adjusted themselves to be the most useful to that specific person.

  • This is how I always saw it, and it makes a lot of sense. Children's powers solidify as their personality does. That may even be what Helen meant when she said "Jack-Jack doesn't have a power", not that Jack-Jack didn't have one, but that he didn't have a specific one. Alternately, children's powers never manifest within eyeshot of their parents until they're fully formed, and the parents just don't know.

Mezmerella is Psychwave after a Face Heel Turn

Psychwave was an early victim of the Omnidroid and was supposedly killed by the first Omnidroid. Everseer, whose brain is being used by Xerek and the Unforgivables for their sinister plans, was killed by the same Omnidroid and was the leader of the team Psychwave used to be on. It could very well be Psychwave survived the incident, but suffered some memory loss, but retained her powers and became a supervillain. The writers of the comic have said Mezmerella has a tragic past...

Violet is Boo from Monster's Inc.

There are several points in monster's inc where Boo appears to have the power of invisibility. Monsters have to matched up to their specific kid so that they get maximum scream capacity. Boo was matched up with, that's right, Randall, a monster that becomes invisible. Coincidence? Yeah, probably. It's still a cool idea. As Violet grows up, she convinces herself that Sulley was just a dream or imaginary friend. Perhaps being good friends with monsters makes her subconsciously less comfortable around people and therefor shy in the human world. Or it could be the result of trauma from being kidnapped by Randall.

  • Somebody needs to write this fanfic. Now.
  • Incredibles is set in an alternate 60s-70s, while the Monsters, Inc. comic links the movie as being set post-Toy Story 1 with Sid as a villain.

The Incredibles takes place in either the Ninties or 2004.

If it takes place in the Silver Age, then tell why there's cell phones in the comic? And modern looking cell phones at that...

    • Probably some of Syndrome's inventions

When every Super is born, they're just like Jack-Jack

Every Super when they're born starts out without one particular power, instead showing a multitude of different powers. As they grow older, and their personalities start to coalesce more, they "grow into" their powers, and they lose the ability to do any of the other things they did as a child.

In the future Dash will marry an older version of Penny.

This is something I realized some time ago.

The Incredibles is an alternate version of Wanted

This might be a bit of a stretch, but what if the fact that superheroes got outlawed gave the villains enough reason to not revolt? The fact that they never obeyed the law to begin with means the law against heroes has absolutely no power over them unless they allow it to.

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