Topic on User talk:Robkelk

The recent deletion

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DocColress (talkcontribs)

It was done because it was a double of a topic that was already on the page and the comment on it was hidden so I or no one else could even read what it was originally about anyway. It was not done out of malice towards a comment or a disregard for the rules, so please reconsider going overly harsh on me for it.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

If you want me to be start being "overly harsh", just say so. But say it in the main thread, please.

DocColress (talkcontribs)

No, I want you to not be overly harsh.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

I am not being overly harsh. I am doing what I can to protect the wiki as a whole.

Do you honestly not understand why I am upset with the actions you have been taking? Do you honestly not understand how those actions affect the entire wiki?

DocColress (talkcontribs)

Only because you're suddenly seeing me as a danger to the wiki when I just want the same thing as you do and we can easily compromise on this issue. I'm keeping my word to not delete any comments to Talk pages past that one double entry on the Legend Of Zelda CM Page Talk Page. Just check the Ace Attorney CM Page Talk Page. (I'm not too familiar with the series, so I'm leaving it for someone else to reply to if they wish.)

Not entirely since it's mainly been about one trope rather than the entire wiki.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

I see that you don't understand.

Please read All The Tropes:Policy for Wiki Staff, especially Rule #1 and Rule #2. If you do want the same thing that I do, then you want to follow both the spirit and the letter of those rules and all of the other rules on that page.

We agreed to follow those rules when we became admins. If one admin can't be trusted to keep his word, then the other admins fall under suspicion as well. When you break the rules, you put Geth's reputation at risk. When you break the rules, you put Looney Toons's reputation at risk. When you break the rules, you put Labster's reputation at risk. When you break the rules, you put QuestionableSanity's reputation at risk. When you break the rules, you put LulzKiller's reputation at risk. And possibly of the least importance, when you break the rules, you put my reputation at risk.

And if the admins can't be trusted, what does that say about the wiki? When you break the rules, you put the reputation of the entire wiki at risk. Thus, this is about the entire wiki.

Derivative (talkcontribs)

I have a reputation? XD

Seriously though Doc, I recommend that you chill down and then understand that we're doing this because we don't want to be draconian.

DocColress (talkcontribs)

All anyone needed to do was cover those rules to me the first time I ever broke them. My deleting of comments went on for a while, so if it took this long for anyone to speak up, we quite frankly all deserve two weak suspensions for having done our jobs poorly.

I do understand why you're doing this, but I don't agree with boosting my sentence from one week (which I'd thought was agreed upon) to two weeks because you all completely misinterpreted and are misrepresenting my reasons for deleting a double of a topic in one Talk page. The hidden comment that was there was not the reason I removed it - it wasn't about "deleting evidence" or that sort of thing. If anything, my mistake is that I gave that no thought at all, but that needn't warrant two whole weeks of having my admin rights taken from me. I care about this wiki as much as you guys do, so please just stop seeing me as your enemy? :(

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

If I thought you were an enemy, I would have pushed hard for permanent removal of your admin and posting rights. I didn't do that.

Don't forget that I was the one who suggested dropping the time from two weeks to one week in the first place, because nobody had talked with you about the rules previously. It was only after my suggestion of leniency that you made the topic deletion that looked like you were continuing to ignore the rules - and that's when I withdrew the suggestion of leniency.

DocColress (talkcontribs)

Well now you know that I wasn't meaning to ignore the rules because the topic I deleted happening to have a hidden comment had nothing to do with my reasons for deleting it. So shouldn't my time frame of suspension be dropped back to one week?

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

I can only make suggestions. My suggestion is that you stick it out for the two weeks - it isn't forever.

DocColress (talkcontribs)

Yeah, that's the whole rest of the month. April will be my time for a new start.

DocColress (talkcontribs)
Robkelk (talkcontribs)

The main page can only be edited by someone who is logged in - you asked me to set the page that way months ago.

DocColress (talkcontribs)

So how does someone not logged in edit any of the pages?

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

If I'm understanding your question properly -- I may not be -- we restricted the Complete Monster pages so that only logged-in users could edit them, to minimize the random drive-by spewing. Anonymous users can edit any page on the wiki that isn't specifically denied them, just like logged in users. It's just that the CM pages are denied them.

DocColress (talkcontribs)

Oh. Do you think we ought to take a chance at undoing that decision?

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Well... you're the guardian at the gate for CM. If you want to take the risk, we'll unrestrict as few or as many pages as you want us to. Come to that, when your temporary demotion ends, you should be able to do the same at your discretion.

DocColress (talkcontribs)

Hmm. Maybe we should hold off on the decision until that time comes.