Did you get my private message or not? Please let me know.
Topic on User talk:Looney Toons
I did in fact get your private message, but first, I was on vacation with limited data access, and second, you're going to have to be a bit more informative about what name you were banned under and why.
May we divulge and discuss that on a more private venue? Again, the person responsible for harassing me is a staff member on this site, and has been known to actively stalk me.
Permission to continue discussing this on a private board-to-board?
Given the process of elimination, since you have contacted Labster and LT, but not myself or the other admins, you apparently believe one of us you haven't contacted is persecuting you and will immediately get you re-banned under whatever account you had originally.
I am not an unreasonable human being, and if it was me or another admin and your ban was unreasonable, I or whomever you seem to be fearful of will recuse ourselves and abide by the decisions of the other admins if your ban was unfair and we will accept a rebuke for our unfair actions if need be.
If you cannot trust we apply our own rules to the staff here as well as users equally, and if you refuse to be more exact about the circumstances, there is no way for you to implore relief here that will get anything accomplished.
And if you were banned for legitimate reasons and think this will help you get around it, then I'm sorry, it will stand if the reasons are jointly agreed by the other admins to have been reasonable.
"ContactDummyAnon" has also contacted me by private message, but as of this posting has not yet responded to my request for additional information.
I'll say here that, since this user has been online after I asked for more information and has failed to answer my board-to-board messages about this, that it appears this user is not serious about the request.
I'll also say here that private messages to multiple admins is not the correct way to raise this sort of request - it leads to duplicated effort on the part of admins who think that each of us is the only one who has received the request.
Agreed. If you wanted to contact any of us privately, well, most of us have email addresses right on the "Contact Us" page. There's also the "Email User" page. This game of anonymous messages in the board forums and user discussion pages, combined with your coy refusal to identify yourself just irritates everyone.
Apologies for the confusion. Robkelk, I've just responded to your message reply, which I am sorry for not having noticed before.
The complaint raised in the message posted to my board was that Molemanninethousand's account was locked because GethN7 was harassing Molemanninethousand. I have found this, this, and this that appear to be relevant to this complaint. As these are all records of chats between Molemanninethousand and GethN7, I assume that they present both sides of the issue at hand equally and without bias.
The first discussion linked above shows that GethN7 did not begin interactions with Molemanninethousand on this wiki with any intent to harass; in fact, GethN7 supported Molemanninethousand in that issue.
The second discussion shows that Molemanninethousand disagreed with how GethN7 was handling the effects on All The Tropes of a quarrel on Wikia. GethN7's final statement in that discussion appears to me to be the relevant one: "That said, we shall end this conversation, and if you are willing to do so and continue reporting any outside mischief instead of responding to it yourself, then your future here will be generally safe so long as you abide by all other rules as well."
The third discussion states why GethN7 instituted a permanent block on the Molemanninethousand account. In short, Molemanninethousand was taking actions that only an administrator should have been taking, and when called on this behaviour, attempted to dictate terms to an administrator.
Having gone over the evidence that I am able to find...
My responsibility is toward All The Tropes as a whole, not to Wikia or ED or any single user.
I am not happy about an interpersonal dispute from Wikia being brought over to All The Tropes, and I am not happy that this became the focus of the discussion. What happens on Wikia should stay on Wikia.
I will not go and read Molemanninethousand's ED page. What happens on Encyclopedia Dramatica should stay on Encyclopedia Dramatica.
Again, the complaint was that Molemanninethousand's account was locked because GethN7 was harassing Molemanninethousand. The evidence that I have seen is that Molemanninethousand was harassing GethN7... but that is not the issue here.
I find it ironic that somebody who complained about another user creating sockpuppet accounts should create a sockpuppet account in order to request the lifting of a permaban... but that is not the issue here.
The issue here is that Molemanninethousand's account was locked for vigilante action, which by definition put the safety of All The Tropes at risk.
I am not inclined to reverse the ban at this time. If another administrator chooses otherwise based on additional evidence, I will not object.
EDIT: At this time, I will not lock the ContactDummyAnon account as a duplicate of the Molemanninethousand account. However, once consensus is reached among the remaining administrators, I will suggest that the ContactDummyAnon account be locked. Molemanninethousand does not need two accounts here.
While I am inclined to trust GethN7, I find that I've only seen these discussions about the actions taken by MM9K, and not the actions themselves. Does anyone have links handy to the relevant history entries so that I may see what happened for myself? Until I can do so, I am abstaining from offering a yea or nay opinion.
That pic I posted showing why MM was banned was the tipping point.
MM is the undisputed king of "not letting things drop". If need be, I can send you tons of correspondence I have had with Wikia staff about his extensive history of ban evasion and general drama bombing there, and my unfortunate experience with him happen on our Wikia fork, and when I had to ban him there for causing a ton of disruption, he globally ban evaded no less than five times just to force me to change my mind, and since he was hellbent of defying global bans to get back onto Wikia, including outright lies to staff, using other people's accounts, and so on, I promised Wikia I would report him whenever I caught him, even if it didn't not directly involve me, especially since he deliberately decided to lie to Wikia staff members about the actions of other staff members in order to get his ban overturned (again, I have correspondence to prove this).
It is this he considers "harassment", despite the fact I was assisting Wikia staff in enforcing their own rules (which is encouraged and had their explicit approval), and as seen in the screenshot, you are supposed to attempt to get users who are breaking rules to cease doing so personally, then invoke staff if they prove recalcitrant.
It is as a result of doing so that led to him following me here and continuing to badger me, and since he stalked me across several wikis on Wikia to do the same, I was not about to risk a repeat.
That aside, his actual conduct here was not that offensive, and as you saw, I told him if he was willing to let things drop and not import offsite drama, his stay here was assured, but that step he was not willing to take, hence the banhammer.
FYI, the correspondence in question concerns emails to Wikia staff, which can be forwarded via Gmail if need be.
No need. What I've seen by now combined with ContactDummyAnon/MM9K's rather pathetic attempts to stalinize this discussion thread have provided me with all I need to support the continuing his ban, and expanding it to his alias.
Protip for you, MM9K: Attempting to hide the discussion as soon as evidence about your behavior was presented instantly prejudiced me against you. If you were in the right, you would never have done that.
Edit: Trying to hide the thread where the admins were actively debating your fate and casting their votes? Kinda dumb. You didn't think we'd notice? That with the thread hidden we'd magically forget? All you accomplished was turn the guy who was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt into a vote against you.
I was hiding the thread to drop the issue and prevent it from being picked up on by trolls.
I would prefer if it would be hidden again and considered resolved, for the same reason.
No.
Is that "no" to hiding this thread, or "no" to considering it resolved?
If the thread is considered resolved as per the complainant's statement, then the "ContactDummyAnon" account no longer needs to remain active. As I stated earlier in this thread, Molemanninethousand does not need two accounts here.
That's no to hiding it, and it was also "no" to considering it resolved until we heard from all admins. I agree that he has no need for two accounts.
At this point, I would like to discuss and divulge further relevant information, but in a completely private and safe venue, such as through personal emails.
I have no intention of handing out my personal email address.
I prefer to continue this discussion in public, where all correspondence is available to all future readers for independent verification.
If this is not acceptable to you, then you might want to find a different wiki where you would feel more comfortable.
No Moleman, we don't disappear evidence here, we are transparency advocates, because rules apply to EVERYONE here. I even voluntarily surrendered my powers here for a time as punishment for having brought trouble to this place awhile back, and I would do so again because even I'm not above the rules.
If anything, you have proven to me blocking you was the correct decision, and that you have learned nothing from all the other times you decided you were above rules.
If you continue to act in this manner, this account will be blocked as well.
@Labster
Labster has replied offline.
Since we have consensus, there is no longer any reason for Molemanninethousand to keep the ContactDummyAnon account active.