Topic on All The Tropes talk:Administrivia

This page needs cleanup - input from all administrators is requested

Robkelk (talkcontribs)
Robkelk (talkcontribs)

Input from all users is also requested.

RabidTanker (talkcontribs)

I think this is an relic of TVT, since Mistakenly Banned is more or less identical to theirs. But as far as wiki policy goes, there's All The Tropes:About. But I figured that the edit-warring & spam should be kind of obvious.

GethN7 (talkcontribs)

Anything not applicable to us in any way that can not be ported to our existing rules needs an axing.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Okay, I've started actually doing this. I'm going to use this message to list the pages I've gone through and what "categories" (mostly as listed by Rob in the OP, plus others as I think of them) I think they go in, as I go through them one at a time. Discussion basically can start as soon as I do. <grin>

The following list covers everything found on All The Tropes:Administrivia and in Category:Administrivia (which are not the same), in Category:Wiki Policy, and in the project namespace.

General Policy


Manual of Style

Help Pages

Established Functionality

Wiki Maintenance Pages and Tools

Simple Content

Simply Unneeded

  • Weblinks Are Not Examples -- a redirect to All The Tropes:Examples Need Context treated like a separate subject
  • All The Tropes:Media Categories FAQ -- as noted by its cleanup template, this page was under construction at the time of the fork, and has remained more or less untouched since then. It's outdated -- at least one "policy" on it (splitting film into live action and animation) we have effectively repudiated in the last few years. It's also rather short -- its contents (after updating) could probably go in one of our other help pages.
  • All The Tropes:Renamed Tropes -- A small hierarchy of pages just listing other pages that have been renamed, mostly back on TVT because we generally haven't been updating it. If we keep this at all it should be turned into a category like so many other so-called "index" pages from TVT. But really, does anyone actually use this for anything? I think it was more a place for old tropers to wax nostalgic over favorite long-gone trope names than anything useful.
  • Wild Mass Guessing/Programme Note: The content of this page should be added to that already on Category:Wild Mass Guessing. Nothing points to it but Administrivia.
  • Known Troper -- Defines a term we don't use, even though we note the ATT equivalent. The only thing linking to it is the Glossary
  • All The Tropes:Yes, We DO Have This One -- a stock phrase which shouldn't even need a definition page

Policies Subject to Tempbans If Violated

  • ("How We Do Bans Around Here", which defines most reasons for tempbans, is listed under "General Policy", above.)
  • Nothing Yet

Needs TVT-specific content removed/rewritten

Too TVT-specific to save

Okay, now that I'm done with this, the first thing that jumps out at me is that we have been horribly inconsistent in the categories we apply to the various policy pages, as well as linking to some of them. We need a massive reorganization, starting with master top-level pages for things like Policies, Help and Style that list everything (suitably organized) relevant in a single place.

When I suggest rolling a page into another page, we should keep the page as a redirect to the page into which it was incorporated, preferably with a link to the specific section it became.

@Labster @Looney Toons @GethN7 @Robkelk @QuestionableSanity @Derivative @SelfCloak

GethN7 (talkcontribs)

I don't see anything to object to, all the proposed changes look reasonable.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

I'm not done yet.... I'm only about halfway through the Administrivia page at this point, and I have further additions to this list in an open edit window on another tab. I'll let everyone know when it's in a final state.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

All right, now that I'm done, I'm asking everyone to go through my list. Let me know if a) you agree with the general category things got put in, and b) if there are any of my suggestions and recommendations you disagree with.

After that, I'd like us to brainstorm on how we want to organize all this going forward. I'm thinking we need at least top-level pages for Policy, Style, Help and Wiki Maintenance, if not others. As part of that, we need to improve the category assignments on these pages. Things are all over the place -- as I noted above, at least one policy page was only ever categorized as part of the Style Guide. We need to fix stuff like that and make sure everything is properly assigned.

We also need to make sure that everything we're keeping is thoroughly linked from multiple places. Some of these pages had virtually no inbound links and could only be found by knowing they existed in the first place. None of this information should be hard to find or get to.

Anyway, thoughts, opinions, alternative suggestions?

@Labster @Looney Toons @GethN7 @Robkelk @QuestionableSanity @Derivative @SelfCloak

Robkelk (talkcontribs)
Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Reflecting that, I've removed Stubs from the big list o' pages above.