Topic on User talk:DocColress

Doc, because I want to avoid future upset before it starts, and because I want to be fair and impartial to all sides while not prejudicing anyone, here's something I propose to you in the worst case.

Worst case, this branch of ATT cuts all examples globally and you don;t get you mod hat back. If that happens,here's my proposal.

I really don't want to burn down an entire wheat field just because of a few recurrent tares in the wheat, but I will be duty bound to accept the majority decision on the topic if they do that. I will also be forced to accept if your mod hat is not restored here, and I will do both without complaint if I'm overruled.

That said, the ATT Wikia branch is essentially mine to run as I see fit, and I'm not going to cave because of a bunch of idiots who have to ruin fun for legitimate users unless the problem gets as bad as Troper Pales/Fetish Fuel did, and I'm sure we can avoid that sewer personally. In the worst case, you are free, within the limits I proposed here, to make sure that branch (the Wikia one) retains the topic while ruthlessly cauterizing out all CONFIRMED sockpuppeters who can't agree to a mutually agreed CM standard.

In the worst case, that's the best deal I can offer you without exceeding my own personal powers on this branch, and if worst comes to worst, that's what you'll have to accept in the worst case.

I just want a yes or no on whether you can live with that.

I'm going to be completely honest and say no, I don't think I could live with that.

I gave more time and effort to this trope on THIS branch of ATT than on the Wikia one. It's the one I preferred working with and the one I enjoyed looking at more. The last thing I would ever want to see is for it to all go because of that stupid ban evader. If that happens, she wins.

So far only Rob and Looney Toons have advocated for a total purge. You and I both disagreed with that, Mark D. Gordon is likely against it 'cause it's in response to him doing the right thing in regards to an actual vandal, and Lulzkiller doesn't seem to care either way, but seems uncertain about it since they brought up ulterior approaches to handling the matter.

Since I've agreed to the terms you put forward for should I get my mod status back, I think you should request for the arguing on the example nuke proposal to be slowed down and the proposal left on the table until a clear majority consensus is gathered, and in the meantime, also put it with the majority whether or not I should have my mod status back. Also, if you read my private messages, I've suggested you bring your own mod hammer down in getting Robkelk to actually think his proposal through, as I feel he is dangerously close to stepping out of bounds and trying to decide the fate of an entire trope with a lot of example content purely due to feeling distraught over his own personal failings to understand what is and is not permitted in regards to handling edits and entries to this trope.

I've made an XML dump of the pages for the Complete Mosnter trope from this wiki so you can have them set back up on a wiki of your choosing, you can ask Miraheze to set it up for you and I'll help you get it off the ground if need be.

If you're fine with that, here's the XML in 7z file, you can ask Miraheze staff to do the import:

https://1drv.ms/u/s!AvXB4VoJWlMVj0bU

The problem is that I don't know where and how to "ask Miraheze to set it up for me" or how to get it off the ground or any of that complicated stuff. Also, if only the Complete Monster pages are imported but not the other trope and work pages, then there'll be a bunch of red sinkholes that lead nowhere, and I'm not sure I'd like seeing that.

I just...I just can't wrap my head around why purging the trope is even being considered solely because you and Mark took the correct actions in dealing with a literal vandal and serial ban evader. How THAT PERSON and her edits are dealt with should not be viewed as being indicative of how EVERYONE ELSE and THEIR edits are to be dealt with. Robkelk is looking at this all wrong.

The sinkholes can be dealt with by a bot and what are called interwiki links to pages here, I can work on getting that fixed for you very easily.

And Doc, let me be blunt. a lot of people just want the drama to disappear, and if exiling all the examples will achieve that, so be it in their eyes. You can try persuading people to reconsider, but if you lose the vote against it, I'm offering you a chance to have the next best thing without throwing away your hard work.

Also, you start with setting a new wiki up on Miraheze here:

https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:RequestWiki

The drama that sprung this proposition was only attaining to a single ban evader, though. Beyond that, there has been nothing unfairly imposed upon the site's regulars.

I'm thankful that there is a next best thing and I will take it if it comes to that. But since nothing is to be settled for at least a week, could I suggest that you start another blog entry about his matter and possibly ask for a consensus about whether or not I should have my mod status restored? Because (and you can quote me on this) I am making a solemn vow right now to not only be less heavy-handed in the measures I take to keep the trope neat, orderly, and free of misuse, but to always discuss matters with others before taking any particularly drastic actions regarding any newly made edits on the subpages, as well as before making any big edits I'd be considering making myself. And this way, the trope will become much more manageable if we all communicate better, don't disregard anyone's contributions so long as the Criteria is being followed, and stop with the pointless drama surrounding disagreements or misunderstandings about the trope. If we can work towards this, the drama will (hopefully) disappear.

Glad you'll accept my fallback offer if worst comes to worst.

As for whether your mod bit comes back, that will be decided after the fate of CM here is evaluated, and not before. The CM issue resolution will make that easier to determine anyway.

At this point, I'm ready to take that fallback.

My mod bit is likely never coming back, the majority will probably be swayed by Robkelk and LT (they all hate my guts, so they'll want to see me suffer by losing the trope as is), and all the efforts made to keep this trope a float will be all for naught.

Might as well unblock that ban evader and congratulate her for this. She finally won.

Honestly, I think DocColress did NOT deserve the ban and should be reinstated. He was saying sensible things, and made valid points; Looney Toons really WAS being a judgmental, needlessly confrontational jerk who was getting overly emotional about the situation.

DocColress had already calmed himself at the time the block was put in effect, and he's been all about compromise when so many people here seem to be against him by principle.

Thank you.

Much appreciated you were civil in your dissent, but this is not our first altercation with the party in question. While their recent actions forced my hand, they've caused trouble before, and I had hoped they would have learned from it, but there is only so much that can be tolerated before I have to show that rules don't exist to be broken, and utterly vile abuse and contempt shown those who disagreed with him proved they had learned nothing from their prior censures.

On this topic, I'm afraid I'm not changing anything, but your objection is noted.

I'm sorry, but I did not see DocColress show "abuse and contempt" towards anyone. He was discussing things rationally but firmly, and yet I've seen many people here who are ready to villainize him.

https://allthetropes.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:V91pddmvgrz9sl1u&topic_showPostId=v948q8wycm7jwqs2&fromnotif=1

This here? This is, in my opinion, proof that it was someone else to attack him first with an Ad Hominem.

https://allthetropes.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:V9256agk7ksi6tua&topic_showPostId=v932pjrl6dt1yjyq&fromnotif=1

I think DocColress was being reasonable here, honestly. He was even nice enough to stick up for me with Robkelk and Lulzkiller, before Looney Toones started pushing buttons...

True, two wrongs don;t maker a right, which is why I'm been pretty sympathetic to Doc, I shared many of their concerns, but this wound has become a bleeding sore and I had to do something I knew would upset people to cauterize it.

I'm not apologizing for it, and I hold nothing against Doc personally. However, I have a community I don't want torn apart either, and I could either sacrifice a wiki I worked to found over petty drama, or I could put an end to it.

It was a hard choice, but I did what had to be done. Discussion is final. If you still doubt me, feel free to go over all the prior discussions, blocks, and edit warring that took place, then if you still have questions, get back to me, but until then, I stand by my decisions, come what may.

I honestly have no idea how it would tear the wiki apart when he'd clearly been calming down at the time he was blocked...

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that pouring gasoline on a fire that you've caused to put it out isn't the most reasonable thing to do, at this point.

Alright. In the time we have now, let's make our points known to other users and cross our fingers that this doesn't end in too drastic a resolution. I'd just like things to return to how they were going before that ban evader started screwing with things on her accounts...

EDIT: Nevermind. This is irrelevant. This trope's dead to me as far as I'm concerned.