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... but maybe before you do much more editing you take a few minutes to actually learn how we do things here.

Just like TVT, we have a place to propose and refine new tropes, called the Trope Workshop. If you want to propose a new trope, you put the page there, following the guidelines we provide. Do not just spew an illiterate, half-formed mess into the main namespace like a stray dog dropping a load on someone's lawn.

Secondly, you may have noticed that the page you created looked nothing like other pages on the site. That's because we've gone through a lot of effort to provide users with templates and boilerplates that let you create a nearly-perfect page with almost no effort other than clicking in a menu and following some very simple instructions. If you feel the uncontrollable need to create another new page for the wiki, please do so through the ATT Page Creator, which in addition to the link I just added there, can be found as the very first entry under "Troping Utilities" in the menu that runs along the left edge of every page. Doing so will help you create a page that has everything it needs to be a proper part of the wiki.

You will also want to look at our Style Guide and Content Guidelines. They're very short, sweet, and relatively simple to follow. If you've managed to pass Grade 8 English, you should have absolutely no problems. Given your recent contributions, you probably should also read How to Write An Example as well.

Please take the minimal time needed to familiarize yourself with these few tools and guides -- doing so will improve your contributions to the wiki greatly, and also greatly reduce the odds that someone will have to go in and edit, move or delete them.

Please let us know if you have any questions.

-- Looney Toons, admin

CC: @Labster, @GethN7, @Robkelk, @QuestionableSanity, @Derivative, @SelfCloak

Following up on this, I was the one who moved your new page to Trope Workshop:Freudian Excuse Is No Excuse and added the relatively-long list of problems to the top of the page.

By the way, we'd appreciate it if you acknowledged reading this thread. Your most recent additions to Freudian Excuse Is No Excuse‎ show no signs of the improvements we would have expected had you reviewed the pages linked to above.

Please note that failure to respond to admin communications like this thread is a tempbannable offense, starting with a two-day "attention getting" ban. It is very much in your interest to reply.

EDIT: I should also note that if you do not mark up the page correctly as a trope workshop candidate no one will see it in the workshop. That means there will be no other wiki users who see it, like it, contribute to it -- and support its promotion to the main namespace as a full trope. If you do not fix the problems that have been extensively outlined, then it will get deleted as a poor job by someone who can't be bothered with doing things right. Just fair warning.

Sorry...I just figured I would add some examples to the page.

You added examples, but you didn't pay attention to what was in the Cleanup box at the top of the page - now, instead of having one example that doesn't say where it's from, the page has multiple examples that don't say where they're from.

You also didn't add the markup that was listed as the very first thing that needed to be done. I just did that for you. Do not expect me to be so accommodating again.

I added to the description.

Congratulations. Instead of being eight words long, it's now an astounding 35 words. You'd best put in a TL;DR summary for those who will be intimidated by the screen-filling wall of text you've written.

In other words, no, that's not sufficient. What is the trope, exactly, besides a pile of snark? How does a writer use it? What role does it serve in the creation of a story?

They give a villain a backstory but it doesn't excuse their behavior. It explains but doesn't justify evil.

I hate to break it to you, but that's still basically Freudian Excuse, which itself explains but doesn't justify. How is your trope candidate different in any substantive way from it?

Well, a Freudian Excuse typically JUSTIFIES a villain's actions.

It honestly seems like you might not have enough of a grasp on the trope beyond the basics to properly elaborate on it like is currently needed.