Topic on Talk:Fantastic Tribulation

Context was provided, acknowledged, and added to the article.

@Umbire the Phantom asked for some context for some examples, and I will give some. Most of the reasons it happens in the setting are spoilers, so I kept the information to a minimum. I shall try to provide context for them, but they most likely will contain spoilers:

• Solo Login has Sky Castles appeared one day along with Sky Players with wings that allow them to fly to these Castles. The Underground Dungeons were discovered after the protagonist saves a Sky Player and becomes the first Underground Player. This then leads to monsters coming from the Underground Dungeons. I haven't read far into the story to know their origins, but I am sure it will become a plot point.
• Solo Leveling's Gates happened due to this war that happened in another world due to beings known as the Monarchs and the Rulers. The Monarchs were losing the war and escaped to other worlds. The Monarchs planned to rebuild their armies by killing humans, but the Ruler intervened to prevent that to ensure humanity's survival.
• Seoul Station's Necromancer seems to have it as a supernatural phenomenon but has been elaborated on except for having a connection to the other worlds. The story focuses on what the people do to help keep the status quo, and I haven't read that far ahead in the series, but it most likely is a future plot point.

I hope that this helped and if there is any questions then you can leave a reply.

...the idea was to edit the context into the examples.

Sorry, it's just that I am having trouble to why the context is needed especially when some of it hasn't been revealed from the greater plot or is a major spoiler. The examples detail the setting; so how would adding more context to the examples help?

By... indicating how they count as examples???

Okay, thanks to @Looney Toons' insight, I believe Umbire the Phantom wanted something distinct from each of the examples. I got confused and thought you wanted to know the origins of what caused the change in the setting, which may give spoilers, or I just don't know. I think I can rework some of the examples to make each of them more unique. I just hope that it doesn't cause any problem with making them longer. Here I go:

• Solo Login has Sky Castles of an unknown origin appearing around the world. At the same, people can awaken as Sky Players, who gain powers and wings that can fly to Sky Castles. They are filled with monsters to level up while gathering money and equipment. When a Sky Player falls from a Sky Castle, it can create an Underground Dungeon where they can give a quest to a person to become an Underground Player. Similar to Sky Players, they instead use a tail to access Dungeons like the Sky Castles. However, Monsters can travel outside unconquered Underground Dungeons, which Underground Players need to find and defeat the boss to prevent monsters from attacking.
• In Solo Leveling, portals appear worldwide called Gates connected to another dimension dubbed a Dungeon teeming with monsters termed Magic Beasts. Simultaneously, people known as Hunters appeared with magical powers that could fight these beasts while keeping the public safe from them. These monsters also have Essence Stones, a form of stable and efficient energy source where Hunters gather them for income. Hunters can group together and create Guilds which are associations to recruit Hunters for raids on Gates while administered by governments.
• Seoul Station's Necromancer has a supernatural phenomenon that causes people to be summoned to different worlds where they gain jobs with magic and skills. They are eventually returned to Earth and are known as Returnees. Dungeons and monsters related to these worlds are also summoned to Earth simultaneously. The government established the Returnee Control Department to gather and regulate Returnees while giving them therapy for traumatic experiences in the other worlds. Guilds are created to provide employment to hunt monsters and conquer the dungeons while also being commercialized, where top-ranked members are seen as celebrities.

Is this satisfactory for being unique and giving context?

It's a start, but if there's spoiler info in each of them, then they should be tagged and hidden as such.

I made sure to not add spoilers for the examples that I put on the page and the reply.

Spoilers are fine. This is a tropes wiki, and there are going to be spoilers for various works by virtue of our aims.

I am saying that adding them in the text above would have been fine if you had done it, because sometimes the context of examples involve or require spoilers - if spoilers are present, they should be properly marked.

I don't get how adding more from the plot can help when the trope is more about the setting? Should the trope examples have like a combination for both plot and setting?

Sometimes the story's setting tends to influence, and often figure into, the plot of it.

Okay, so what context is missing from the examples different from the others because I have already added more detail. So then is there something more missing especially compared to the other examples found on the page?

Alright, I also want to know what is missing from the context as I have given it more context on the settings.

Remember that we're not just making lists, we're trying to put at least a little analysis into our examples. Why do they count? How do they implement the trope? What's different or unique about their implementation of the trope? An example with no context is no example.

Alright, I feel like I have been patient enough after waiting for 9 days. Since @Umbire the Phantom hasn't responded with something concrete about why the source of the change needs to be exposited, especially when others don't follow this criterion. I state that it is not crucial for the cause for the change in the setting isn't critical, especially when you look at the other titles which I will list: The World is Overflowing with Monster, I'm Taking a Liking to This Life, JK Musou - Owaru Sekai no Skukuikata, Bouken-ka ni Narou!: Skill Board de Dungeon Kouryaku, System Apocalypse, The S-Classes that I Raised, New World, The Earth is Online, Guilty Gear, microHUNTER, I am the Sorcerer King, Kill the Hero, Tomb Raider King, Metro Hunter, The Advanced Player of the Tutorial Tower, I'm the Max-Level Newbie, and My S-Class Hunters. I have already given info about two examples as I don't know the source since I am not that far into their plot. For Solo Leveling, it is because there is already a paragraph of information for the setting. Adding more would make it bloated and hard to read. There are no spoilers from what I can tell, so there shouldn't be anything marked, and I already made the changes to them a while ago. If there is a problem, I am willing to read about it in response, but I will resolve this discussion.

but I will resolve this discussion

Since the examples in question have had context added to them, I would say that this discussion was resolved months ago.

Alright, its just that Umbire said it was a start like there was something missing and I wanted details about it for months. I hope that this is enough for it to be launched from another discussion.

Since the examples in question have had context added to them, I would say that this discussion was resolved months ago.

Yeah, I literally said "it's a start" and that should've been the end of it, but here I am after one of my "brain train hopped rails" hiatuses finding myself being tagged for this.

Okay, so, then you realized that stating 'it's a start' would be a misnomer to how that didn't end the discussion but caused confusion on if more need to be added?

Do you really have to litigate every single angle of this? I asked for context, it's been provided, now let's kindly move on.