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Utini501 (talkcontribs)

So maybe I'm missing something here, but... isn't this literally the exact same trope as Bubble Gun? If so I don't see why this one should exist because its existence feels really redundant.

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

I feel like the contents of this page could be used to expand Bubble Gun's description, since the main (if not only) distinctions in play here are the person being the "gun" in question and the amount and type of bubbles varying.

Kuma (talkcontribs)

Well from what I can get from the title, description, and the categories. The difference from Bubble Blower and Bubble Gun is one is about a superpower while the other is equipment that can shoot bubbles. From my perspective, Bubble Blower(title could be Bubble Blowing) is about a superpower involving bubbles. Bubble Gun is about an item that can shoot bubble. Unless I have misread something or the like, I believe that the trope is different enough that it is not redundant. However, if you still believe that it is truly redundant then I am will to be convince involving further discussion.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

So, we have a trope candidate that's the same trope as an existing trope, but with a different delivery system?

It's going to take a lot of convincing to make me see a difference here.

Kuma (talkcontribs)

I implore you and Loony Toons to give me the chance of explaining the two tropes' differences to show Bubble Blower's redundancy. I know that I can be stubborn at times, but if I don't convince this post, you can do what you think is right with the trope but with a suggestion that I will exposit later. I will first start with the descriptions of the two tropes. Bubble Blower goes like this: "Bubble Blower is the power to create and manipulate bubbles. It sounds rather useless, but bubbles can actually be formidable, depending on the bubbles' composition and the user's application of them. Depending on the bubble, it can have different effects on the target. One common application is trapping a person in a bubble. Some characters even use a device to make the bubbles. This power can be a subset of controlling water, but other liquids can be used to make bubbles. See also Bubble Gun and Bubble Pipe." Here's Bubble Gun's "You know that "Heart" tends to be a sucky power, right? Well, that's pretty hefty compared to bubbles! In video games, bubble-based weapons tend to be a Joke Item - slow, inaccurate and laughably non-lethal. But sometimes they manage to be a useful Nerf Arm. Enemies hit by a bubble weapon sometimes find themselves Floating in A Bubble." Bubble Blower is about a superpower that involves bubbles by manipulating them. Superpowers usually are innate powers that a fictional character can have. Bubble Gun is about an item that shoots bubbles that trap enemies, at least from what I got from the description. It is about equipment or items involving bubbles, but it doesn't mean that a person can't have such a superpower on their own. There are some examples where there are characters who use a Bubble Gun, but some can utilize bubbles without one. Suppose the problem is how the characters need the item in question for bubbles. In that case, I can present at least three where characters have the power naturally: Josuke Higashikata's Stand, Soft and Wet, can make bubbles with a star on them that can take attributes from a target when it hits one. It can also make bubbles from other liquids, but they lack the aforementioned ability. Bubble is Kaoruko Awata, aka Bubble Girl's Quirk, where she can make bubbles from her body. These bubbles are filled with a scent she has smelled previously and leaves an odor that can distract a target when popped. Mizutsune from Monster Hunter can either breathe bubbles or make them from its fur through a natural foam. The bubbles can give the Bubbleblight ailment, which can cause a hunter to slip more when hit by more bubbles. Another piece that helps makes it different is the research that I made through Superpower Wiki from this page: https://powerlisting.fandom.com/wiki/Bubble_Manipulation. To my chagrin, the Superpower Wikia has a penchant for linking superpower tropes from TVTropes. It has a link to Making a Splash under their Known Users on their Water Manipulation page. Bubble Manipulation lacks a link for a trope, making me think that there is a difference from Bubble Gun. Speaking of superpower tropes, how does Bubble Gun sound like one if the title describes more an item rather than an ability or action. Examples of such tropes are Playing with Fire, Shock and Awe, plus Blow Them Away. Suppose you are using it to describe bubble superpowers. In that case, this trope sounds closer to Power via Weapon or Power via Object for bubbles. Still, some instances don't fit with the power of equipment rather than from themselves. If that is the problem, I can get rid of the examples where they don't use the power independently and use an item to make and control bubbles. I also admit to how I made a mistake with the title being Bubble Blower, but it should make more sense to use Bubble Blowing. This is the end of my argument, and If you are not convinced, then I wish to work on the Bubble Gun page somehow, along with changing the name of the trope to help make a better fit. If you want to focus on the equipment perspective, then I suggest Bubble Wand as a better fit for bubbles with wands than guns. If it is based on actions or the like with the other superpower tropes, I would suggest going with the Bubble Blowing title. Thank you for reading my post, I know it was long, but I hope that we can come to a better understanding over this issue. I hope you have a fabulous day and wish that this post wasn't too much trouble reading. @Looney Toons

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Sounds like we just need to tweak the existing trope.

GethN7 (talkcontribs)

Concur, LT.

Labster (talkcontribs)

Lots of the examples on Bubble Gun are people who make bubbles without guns. I think the title is just a pun on bubblegum and not meant to be taken 100% literally. The trope is "bubbles as an offensive tactic, usually lame" (but not as offensive as Fartillery).

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

Yeah, I think a lot of this hinges heavily on a literal interpretation of the trope name.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

Agreed - the name is being taken too literally, and All The Tropes:Tropes Are Flexible is being ignored.

Since kuma uses a large number of anime examples, I'll illustrate with an anime example: A Certain Scientific Railgun. The character Railgun does not actually use a railgun; she practices Shock and Awe with her innate power, but that doesn't matter to the sobriquet that she's been given.

Exact Trope Titles are good, but they aren't essential. All that's really necessary, in my opinion, is that Esoteric Trope Names is avoided.

Kuma (talkcontribs)

This is the first time that I have seen Tropes Are Flexible. There are many tropes that I am most likely unfamiliar with, plus how literal I can be due to my ASD. I am still willing to learn from this fiasco, but it kinda depresses me about all this. I didn't get the pun at first with Bubble Gun until it was pointed out. Since this whole thing will mean the trope page's deletion, I would like to try and make two suggestions. First, I think Bubble Gun could be changed to Bubblegun since bubblegum is a compound word, and it could show the pun better. The second is the GIF that I used for this Trope Workshop page if most of y'all think it might make a better fit. I will understand if you reject it again, and I will take this as a learning experience to become a better trope. I hope that this whole situation hasn't caused all of you any trouble. Thank you for reading this post, and have a fantastic day. @GethN7@Umbire the Phantom@Labster@Looney Toons @Robkelk

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

"Since this whole thing will mean the trope page's deletion, I would like to try and make two suggestions."


...or you could just merge the additions into Bubble Gun like was mentioned previously.

Kuma (talkcontribs)

Okay, I still need to know it is appropriate for me to change the picture and/or title with the page. I will change the description and add the examples because I am not sure if merging means to move the page with a wiki feature or copy and paste. I have one more question about tropes and pages on the workshop; does this often happen with workshop pages and established tropes?

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

I see no reason to replace the image on Bubble Gun.

)Also, it's my personal preference that we not use animated GIFs as primary page images anywhere. But I'm only one troper.)

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

Yeah, current image is perfectly fine, the GIF can be linked on the image subpage.

Kuma (talkcontribs)

I didn't know about a subpage! Could there be other images that shows the tropes? I think showing different images from different media besides video games could help with presentation.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

Why not?

To create the subpage, select "Create New" in the menu at the top of the primary page, and choose "Image Links" from the drop-down menu. That will load a new edit page with the template already loaded.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

And note that dummy markup is in place for the first three links, with instructions in plain English as the dummy contents. Don't be like the bozo a year or so ago who deleted it all to drop a single bare URL into a page.

Kuma (talkcontribs)

Thank you for telling me but what about the change to the title that I mentioned earlier?

Utini501 (talkcontribs)

I'm no mod, but I think Bubble Gun's spelling looks fine as it is. Combining both words just feels awkward to me.

Kuma (talkcontribs)

What about a hyphen? (Mind you, I am joking!)

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Given all of the admins are in favor of that course of action, it would be the wisest move.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Has everything relevant been moved to Bubble Gun or a subpage yet?

Kuma (talkcontribs)

Yes, Everything has been moved to the Bubble Gun page. Sorry for not replying sooner, thought the changes on the page would notify you.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Okay, then, I'll delete this page.

Kuma (talkcontribs)

I have put the examples and make a pending edit to the Image link sub page on Bubble Gun.

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