Unless someone (other than me) cleans this article up in the very near future, I'll be deleting it. This article has languished here for more than two years, and unless someone who knows what it's supposed to be cleans it up and puts it in comprehensible English real soon now, it's going to get binned.
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I have been having trouble looking for editors and recently examples. There wasn't anymore that was able to be done.
If you could provide enough guidance on what you intended that someone else could do the cleanup, it would help. Was this supposed to be "Non-adults are forbidden" or "Non-adults are oppressed"?
that has been in consideration, not to mention I had been working on other projects
Tell you what. There's potential here, which is why I've been hesitant to just delete it outright. I'm going to move it out of the workshop into your sandbox - work on it there when you have the time and inclination, and when it's whipped into shape, put it back in the workshop, okay?
Will, it would help... but, don't expect a miracle
I haven't heard much, and I'm still doing some work on it... Let me know, if it's ready to lanuch
Nowhere near ready. I've put comments on many parts of the article that need re-phrasing because they make no sense in English.
I Know, it's a work in process. I'm not the only one working here
Definitely not ready. I just went in and tried to clean a few things up, but there's still a lack of focus -- is it "discrimination against non-adults" or "non-adults are not allowed at all"? And some sentences are still just opaque to me as to what they're supposed to say.
Here's a good example:
The term "underage" varies on different countries often referencing to "age of majority", depends on what countries has it set, with the United States for example at 21 is considered an adult. On the other hand, medical science has placed adulthood at 25 years since that's when the pre-frontal cortex has been completed for the task of decision, its main function. Given that info, what would classify for this trope? For starter, the age limit for this trope purpose will be 20 when the term "teen" no longer appears when it age is mention. While an age being mention is optional, the work has to apply the existence of this trope.
The general gist is clear, but it's so far off standard English usage that it's difficult to read. Several paragraphs in this article desperately need rewriting, with this one being probably the worst of them.
If you can get the general gist of things Looney, you're doing better than I am. It is discrimination against teenagers? Is it a world that is hazardous to adolescents? Is it just a plain Crapsack World with teens in it? Is it a place without children entirely? "Place" is in the title, so is it an aspect of the setting? Or is it just about having a Child-Hater character?
The Laconic is "Adults Rule... Literality", which sounds an awful lot like People Sitting on Chairs to me. I don't get it. At all.
No, the trope is not so much what the laconic says, but more "No children or teens allowed, at all". Kind of the exact opposite of a Logan's Run (literary version) world.
The paragraph I quoted is indicating that what constitutes a non-adult is culturally specific, so different parts of the world would have different ages at which the "youth ban" applies, so the trope's implementation varies (and outsiders may not see the trope in action if the differences are great).
I think the trope idea is good and is supported well by the examples, but the article desperately needs a rewrite by someone who actually can do standard English.
Ah, that's very definitely a valid trope. Unfortunately, I think over half of the examples do not support what you are saying. Like not even close. To me, it reads as some sort of Child Abuse supertrope with weird subtypes and subtropes. Actually, perhaps a Child Abuse settings supertrope. Still not sure. I'm afraid the illiteracy level of our editors are appalling.
That was I was considering the workshop process; however, I had to decide what is fall under.
For the age limit: It was decided due each country had their own definition of what is it to be underage. The age of 20 was the end because it sounded fair to know when does childhood stop and adulthood begun. There are also "bizarre" coming of age rituals worldwide that was also a deciding factor since age doesn't always mean who can be declare an adult.
When it came down to Child Abuse, I had to focus more on the social from outside of a child's home in order to separate it from the Abusive Parents trope... because not all child abusers are related to the victim. However, the sub-tropes regarding schools were put into consideration due to the times it overlapped this trope.
Finally, I had to put to the No Real Life Examples, Please clause because of the issue about child abuse and why it could be an easy Flame Bait. Despite this, works based on such incidents have been relaxed provided they stick to the WORK ONLY, even if based on an actual case, just the Kids For Cash scandal.
Keep the suggestion coming. It would help this before it's officially launch.
Honestly, I hate the title. I'd go with "No Place For Children".
Legally, you are no longer considered a child in most places when you can assume the responsibilities of adulthood, and while this varies from place to place, the title is way less clunky and makes more grammatical sense.
I had other alternative title since the one I ended up with isn't finally but a demo. The other title ideas included "NC-20 (No One Under 20)" a play on to the MPAA rating "NC-17" and "Adults Only". However, the latter was deemed to vague since different culture had their own definition of adulthood and many goes to a ritual to earn the rights to be declare an adult. As a result, an age-limit was put in place. On the other hand, most of the works in this trope, the main character is often a teenager, and they go through a lot during adolescence, which includes rebellion. Due to a clause known as Defense of Infancy, many locations varies on how young is considered too young to understand their criminal behavior... in the United States it ranges from 6 to 12 years with federal crimes being at 10, although some works, noticeable with Roald Dahl's works, where even young children are fair game.
This differs from Abusive Parents because it focuses on societal view on juveniles, even if there is a protective parent.
Agreed on the name change.
I just did a grammar sweep of the entire article, changing what I could to standard North American English and marking with comments what I couldn't.
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