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Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

You were wondering which license this is...

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Robkelk (talkcontribs)

Hi! I see you listed this in the summary for File:Internet likes villain.jpg:

Artist says that it is okay to repost her art, but she likes it to be attributed to her and unmodified. Someone else profiting her image is when she gets upset. I think there is a creative commons that covers her policy, but I'm not sure which.

That's a big one. I'll take it piece by piece:

  • "attributed to her" is Attribution (the short form is "BY")
  • "unmodified" is No Derivatives (the short form is "ND")
  • "Someone else profiting her image is when she gets upset" is Non-Commercial (the short form is "NC")

Putting those together in the order that Creative Commons likes is "CC-BY-NC-ND" - and we have a license template for that (so I don't need to make a new license template), which I've just added to the file's page.

Goo Monster (talkcontribs)

If it was formally published under "CC-BY-NC-ND", would she be able to change the type of license it has later?

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

That's a good question... @Looney Toons knows more about changing CC licenses after the fact than I do.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Ummm, not really. I only know what I've learned in passing here. @Labster is better informed than I am, I believe.

Goo Monster (talkcontribs)

Well, Sarah didn't say the license was a formal CC-BY-NC-ND. Maybe her policy is a de-facto CC-BY-NC-ND that still allows her to change her policy on how others can use her art if the desire strikes her. And if there is a difference that substantial, maybe we should remove the CC-BY-NC-ND tag. (although I suspect (with absolutely no evidence) the main thing is she likes to draw and has no interest in learning copy write law).

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

You are correct - if she didn't actually say that that is the license that applies, then it doesn't.

File:Cheeky.png

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Robkelk (talkcontribs)

Hello! The upload history of File:Cheeky.png says you uploaded it back in 2017. I'm just getting to it now in the project to ensure every file on All The Tropes has an accurate license.

Would you know where the image came from? TinEye doesn't help - it gives me too many possible sources.

Goo Monster (talkcontribs)
Robkelk (talkcontribs)

Thanks. I'd already marked the image as being "fairuse" - I see that can remain.

Automatic Moderation

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Robkelk (talkcontribs)

Hello Goo Monster!

As a result of the Great Miraheze Spam Flood that affected multiple wikis in December 2020, we have instituted moderation of posts. Most people's edits and image uploads will not appear immediately, the way that they would on Wikipedia... but, now, yours will - no more waiting for a moderator to approve your edits.

This is a privilege given for consistently good edits and being a Troper in good standing, not a right. Congratulations!

@Goo Monster @Labster @Looney Toons @GethN7 @QuestionableSanity @Derivative @SelfCloak

I see from your recent edits to your user page that you want to add a quote to the wiki...

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Robkelk (talkcontribs)
Robkelk (talkcontribs)

While I'm at it...

"Zombify the Living is turning the living into undead without killing them first."

How can something be undead if it isn't dead first? We're not TV Tropes - we actually pay attention to the dictionary definitions of words.


"I wanted to add a quote to a sewer gator quote page."

Here you go, as mentioned above.


"I'm a Humanitarian is human eating human."

Not according to the trope as written: "In Speculative Fiction, cannibalism is generally extended to include all sapient or humanoid creatures, even if they aren't technically human."


"I think Meet My Good Friends "Lefty" and "Righty" is fine name (the trope might a case of stock phrases)."

Ah - that's different. If you can find at least three uses of the phrase, feel free to start a Trope Workshop page saying that this about a Stock Phrase.


"Lizard name Liz and Dog named Dog are similar but distinct (although a lumper would disagree)."

Not according to the trope as written: "Usually but not always applied to animals; robots imaginatively named Robot and the like are part of this trope, too."


"Maybe Has a Type should be a case of People Sit on Chairs, but it still has a trope page (I think it being a trope is fine))"

It does not have a trope page here. And everybody has "a type", which is why it's People Sit on Chairs - it's too common to trope.

Goo Monster (talkcontribs)

Zombify the Living is turning the living into undead without killing them first. In some settings it's possible. Vampires and Liches often work that way.

Meet My Good Friends "Lefty" and "Righty": That sounds like work. Especially since I don't want to use the same wording as Tv Tropes.

I'm a Humanitarian is human eating human: fair

Sewer Gator: The quote is already on the wiki somewhere. But I think it would fit better on a Sewer Gator quote page.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

"That sounds like work." It is work. But nobody else is likely to do it for you.

Goo Monster (talkcontribs)

The issue with Lizard named Liz vs the Dog named Dog isn't about robot vs animal. It's about if a lizard would be named Liz, instead of being named lizard.

Re: Tropes ATT Doesn't Have

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Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

I'm actually working on a couple such pages as we speak (which is why I unthinkingly necro'd that two month old discussion), and was wondering if you'd be interested in assisting me with them. Keep an eye out for Felony Misdemeanor and Clickbait/Clickbait Gag.

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

Also Propaganda Piece, which already exists in the workshop and naturally would most certainly benefit from examples.

"Tropes that TV Tropes has that this wiki doesn't (that I want to add examples to)"

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Robkelk (talkcontribs)
Goo Monster (talkcontribs)

D-Cup Distress might be the same thing as type 2 of Big Breasts, Big Deal
My language barrier example does not fit Hiding Behind the Language Barrier

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

As I said, I only had five minutes to look. Do any of the other Language Tropes fit?

Goo Monster (talkcontribs)

Don't think so. I looked at the category and looked at all the ones I couldn't make a strong guess based off the trope name (which isn't 100% reliable) and didn't see anything. I know that with the ones I more recently added to the list I didn't bother to check (although I do try to see if we have the same trope but there is a change in capitalization or spacing or something), not sure about the older cases. I also tend to check the tropes TVTropes related page for redirects to see if they did a name change more substantial than a tweak in grammar.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

They aren't the only ones who change trope names - as you mentioned, some names aren't 100% reliable. (For example, "No Sell" doesn't have anything to do with Adam Smith Hates Your Guts, so we changed it to Won't Work On Me. I don't know or care whether TVT has done the same.)

Best to look through the categories that list tropes and see whether we have something already, before proposing a new trope. (Sometimes I forget to do that, too...)

Goo Monster (talkcontribs)

I think copy pasting TvTropes at this point could count as copyright infringement or something. And I don't want to bother with re-wording articles of tropes they have added after the fork. Even if I did view that as worth my time, I wouldn't know if the result of the rewording would legally be distinctive enough.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

I know that @Looney Toons considers direct copying from TVT to be copyright infringement, and he's a published writer. So, yes, best not to do that. :)

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

I personally feel like a "rewording" could fly if it was more thorough in exploring the trope's meaning and usage and used the original as more of a "springboard" than a base to edit directly from.


But then, I'm no legal expert, and I also think it might be preferable to write the description from scratch.

File:Oglaf Incognito.jpg

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Robkelk (talkcontribs)

I don't suppose you still have the link to the page that this came from?

Goo Monster (talkcontribs)
Robkelk (talkcontribs)

Thanks. We can mark it as NSFW on the file page.

Droit du seigneur

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Robkelk (talkcontribs)

I see you've edited Droit du seigneurr to remove the comments in the description saying that there's no historical evidence for the practice. I assume that this means you have some historical evidence; would you be willing to cite it, please?

Goo Monster (talkcontribs)

I read from a second hand, non-scholarly source (so not great), that in 19th century russia there were court cases that said it was done illegally. And seldom in russia was abolished in the mid 19th century. Although whether Russia is part of europe or asia might be a bit ambiguous. https://history.stackexchange.com/questions/5957/did-droit-du-seigneur-actually-exist-in-medieval-europe seems to cite a scholarly source that simultaneously states that there isn't historical evidence and a case where it was explicitly in written law, although that written law also mentioned that people could pay 30 pennies to be exempted (which to me, and presumably the author of the scholarly source, seems more like an imposing way of charging people 30 pennies to get married than regular right of first night).

Goo Monster (talkcontribs)

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, so thinking about it more, maybe we should put "there is no compelling evidence it happened historically".

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

That's probably a good idea. May I leave it in your hands to get the wording right and add the note to the page, please?

Goo Monster (talkcontribs)

"add the note to the page, please?" Do you mean use the link I provided as a footnote or what?

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

Sorry, I meant "write the sentence and add it to the page".

Where did File:Salem.png come from?

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Robkelk (talkcontribs)

Hello! I see you're the person who uploaded File:Salem.png about four years ago. I'd like to use that image on a different wiki, but I need to know where the file came from. Do you remember where you got this from?

Goo Monster (talkcontribs)
Robkelk (talkcontribs)

Thanks.

Goo Monster (talkcontribs)

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