User talk:Kindadaptablekayak2

Hello!

I see from a change you made that was reverted that you removed a redlink on one of the trope pages. This isn't an issue, and we don't have anything written down about it one way or the other - it's a style thing that helps set us apart from TV Tropes.

Some of the Tropers here see redlinks as invitations to create the work pages that they're trying to link to... and a majority of the mods who have expressed a preference are in that camp. You won't get in trouble for disagreeing with a mod here - we specifically say that in our list of how we do bans at ATT - but it might lead to edit wars if people decide to be stubborn.

No worries either way, as long as everybody agrees to disagree on it.

When starting a new page, remember that you have options for boilerplates (the drop-down menu you see when creating an article) that you should use. It takes care of the categorization and templating necessary to properly "connect" the page to the rest of the wiki.

@Kindadaptablekayak2:

However, the new page you created -- "Amateur Film-Making Plot‎" -- was a problem, on two fronts.

First, it was a new trope but it was created in the main namespace. Like TV Tropes, we have a place for creating new tropes -- it's called the Trope Workshop. You can reach it by clicking that link, or going into the menu on the left edge of the page, opening up "Troping Utilities", and using the link found there. (You can also reach it by searching for "YKTTW".) This is the only place to create new tropes, and doing so will start you off with a skeleton page that has all the necessary markup to make it a proper trope page.

Secondly, and far more importantly, your page was a word-for-word copy of an existing page at TV Tropes. This is copyright violation -- TV Tropes and All The Tropes have different Creative Commons licenses, and as a result we cannot legally use TVT content from after July 2012. Unless you were the only person to ever work on that page and can grant us a license to its entire content, it cannot be used here. Consequently it has been deleted in order to protect the wiki from legal liability.

You are free to recreate the page completely in your own words, if you care to.

Before you do, though, we would recommend that you review the following pages that you may find helpful:

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• So You're a TV Tropes Refugee
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If you are planning on creating any other entire pages any time soon, we strongly recommend that for anything that's not a trope you use the Page Creator (which can be found in the menu along the left edge of every page, as the first item under "Troping Utilities"). Using the page creator will also start you with a skeleton page with all the necessary markup to make it look and work like a proper ATT page. It will also gain you credit with the staff, who won't have to go in and fix your pages after you think you're done.

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CC: @Labster, @Robkelk, @QuestionableSanity, @Derivative, @SelfCloak, @GethN7

Just as a point of information, inserting any text recognizably from TV Tropes -- such as the caption you just copied over to Category:Western Animation -- into a page here is a copyright violation. Technically you now have two strikes against you, but since we cannot be sure you have read our Copyright policy (linked here and above) yet, we will count both violations as a single incident.

However, this has now become a formal warning per How We Do Bans Around Here. Further copyright violations committed after a period of time sufficient to assume you would have been able to read our Copyright policy will result in a temporary ban per the first point under "Grounds for a warning on the first occurrence and a tempban on a repeated occurrence":

Repeatedly posting material copied word-for-word from TV Tropes in violation of both our Copyright policy and copyright law.

A reply in this thread is now mandatory. Failure to reply is also grounds for temporary ban, in this case a non-punitive block that will be lifted as soon as you reply. It is in your interests to reply.

-- Looney Toons, admin

CC: @Labster, @Robkelk, @QuestionableSanity, @Derivative, @SelfCloak, @GethN7

I'm sorry about the inconvenience I've been causing. I don't know how to remake an article that is on TV Tropes in my own words.

Thank you for responding.

You would be surprised (or maybe not) just how many people who've copied entire articles from TVT say they don't know how to rewrite an article in their own words. (All of them, I think.) It's not hard, really -- if you've ever written a term paper that wasn't simply copying an encyclopedia entry then you've done that kind of thing.

Maybe this will help: Imagine you were trying to tell a friend what the trope page is about, without having the page handy to prompt you. Write down what you would say, without consulting the page. Reread it and change anything that you got wrong the first time, but don't use any phrasing you remember from the article. Don't worry if you don't get it exactly. The Wiki Magic will smooth over the rough parts and adjust anything that's not quite right.

The example list is a little easier to manage. The actual items on the list -- the works and the circumstances within them -- that's all fact and can't be copyrighted. It's how you describe those facts that you have to write differently. Quotes from a work are copyrighted, but not by TVT, so you can use them on the same basis (fair use). Again, think of how you'd tell someone without the page handy and deliberately not using any phrasing you remember.

Hope that helps.