User talk:Kuma

I see that you created a half-dozen subpages for characters from The Owl House two months ago... and then promptly ignored most of them.

I've marked the ones that you haven't added any content to at all as candidates for speedy deletion.

MOD: Do not create zero-content pages and then do nothing with them.

If the pages are deleted, they may be re-created when you are actually ready to work on them... and not before. Considering that two of the subpages that you created for characters from The Owl House still need a lot of work, you are not ready to work on even more character subpages yet.

@Kuma @Labster @Looney Toons @GethN7 @Robkelk

I don't care. Do whatever you want with them.

Very well.

Since you only described one character, I've moved that description to The Owl House/Characters and deleted all of the subpages.

We've noticed that you've used the Visual Editor over the past 60 days. There is currently a proposal up before the wiki community to turn it off permanently, and we're inviting you to weigh in. Please join the thread and let us know your opinion.

-- Looney Toons, admin

Hello! I noticed that you introduced this easy-to-make grammar error while making a grammar cleanup.

This is a tricky part of English, and even professional writers get it wrong on occasion. In this case, "it's" is a contraction instead of a possessive - "it's" means "it is", and "its" means "belonging to it".

It might help to think of other pronouns and follow the same rules that they use: "he's", "she's", and "it's"; or "his", "hers", and "its".

No worries; as I said, it's an easy and common mistake, and it's easy to fix.

Alright, I will keep that in mind. Didn't know it was error until now.

The wiki staff has agreed that your edit history and wiki participation justify promoting you to autopatrolled and automoderated. Your edits will no longer require admin approval before they are applied to the wiki.

-- Looney Toons, admin

@Labster @Looney Toons @GethN7 @Robkelk @QuestionableSanity @Derivative @SelfCloak

Thank you for telling me!!! I hope that I can be an asset to the community!!!

I am not trying to call out {FlowMention|Jlaw}}or anyone who has added different examples, but I would like to discuss the trope. The trope is how the setting is changed into something more fantastic on Earth. It can turn into an Urban Fantasy or apocalyptic fantasy. Still, humanity's survival is possible through means that usually come from the source of an apocalypse. My questions come with how different examples from my perspective do seem to fit it well unless I am missing something:

• Spoilers for Hellstar Remina is about the titular planet coming to Earth and consuming it. It doesn't show much in the way of fantasy, along with the Earth being destroyed in the end.
• Batman: No Man's Land is about how Gotham has been devastated by a massive earthquake. However, there aren't many fantasy elements from what I know about the comic.
• Black As Night is a Zombie Apocalypse caused by the Black Lantern rings where various characters become the undead with their Lantern rings and, if possible, their superpowers. There aren't benefits for people surviving the crisis, and it comes from how arduous the zombies are in this case.
• Nineis set in a world where machines have exterminated humanity. With humanity dead, it doesn't fit the trope. The only element I can see being fantasy is the amulet Plot Device.
• Raya and the Last Dragon takes place in Kamandra, a different setting from Earth. There are also no benefits to their survival from the Dragon Gem shattering.
• I am a bit unfamiliar with Hinduism, but Kalki wiping out people who follow adharma instead of the dharma doesn't show much of an apocalyptic situation. There are also no benefits from it unless there is an interpretation that I am missing.
• The Last Guardian doesn't seem to fit because it is about how villages are raided by beasts rather than being put into an apocalyptic situation.
• Gravity Fall's Weirdmageddon is apocalyptic, but there isn't anything from it that helps the town's citizens survive.
• Amphibia being changed is more of a dystopia due to the industrialization to prepare an army to invade Earth. Also, I can not see helping the Amphibians. Added note, they are not on Earth.
• Gargoyles' Future Tense shows a dystopic New York that has shown a disastrous situation for the people and the gargoyles. There is also ambiguity due to how the whole thing was a ruse caused by Punk to get the Phoenix Gate from Goliath. Plus, Puck left the question of whether it was just an illusion he conjured or a vision of a possible future.

I wish to discuss this further and if there is possible flexibility with the trope. If there is nothing to discuss within a week of me posting it here. I will delete these examples to make the trope more concise with the current description.

Adding the wppage parm to the page template will do that. For instance, instead of moving Amphibia to Amphibia (TV series), all you really needed to do was edit the page and turn this:

{{work}}

to this

{{work|wppage=Amphibia (TV series)}}

(Of course I didn't think to revert your page move and make that edit myself until I had moved the page category (which you always have to do when you move a page) and changed 40-some other pages so they no longer pointed at the redirect you created during the move, which I then deleted.)

-- Looney Toons

@Labster @Looney Toons @GethN7 @Robkelk @QuestionableSanity @Derivative @SelfCloak

Okay, thank you for telling me. Also, sorry for the trouble that this has caused you, Looney Toons. I didn't know but I learned something new about editing pages for redirects. Thank you for giving me this message.

Mainly because you undid just about every fix I made to it last night, including all the work links I coded. In a very measurable way, you actually made the article worse, on the grounds of grammar, usage and wiki markup.

-- Looney Toons, admin

@Labster @Looney Toons @GethN7 @Robkelk @QuestionableSanity @Derivative @SelfCloak

I do apologize, I didn't realize there were changes made to the page until after I made the edit. I wasn't trying to change it because of how I thought they look worse but because of ignorance due how it's been a while since I checked for changes on ATT. I didn't think anyone would work on them since it's been a while since I have been on the site. I hope that it wasn't trouble for you and I will make sure to not make that mistake again. I will check the history of the pages' that I need to work on and I wish to improve whatever problems you can identify. I do wonder how my grammar and usage is bad especially when I read and re-read while also using Grammarly. It might be a mistake with the current goals in Grammarly that might cause the problem or something that I haven't notice; so, I could use your perspective if you can leave reply. Also if I may ask, would think I still need a proofreader?

...to thank me for every single edit I made as part of launching a page from the workshop. After the first half-dozen, it starts getting a little bothersome to be honest.

While appreciated, the thanks button is to acknowledge helpful edits, but shouldn't be used for EVERY edit. Launching pages is more or less our jobs as admins, it's basically janitorial work, we have to do it. We appreciate the sentiment of appreciation, but please reserve the thanks feature for really extraordinary effort on our part.

Sorry, I wanted to make sure that others feel appreciated and to try a be a proper part of this community. I actually don't have any proper idea of being part of any community. I hope that I didn't bother you all too much with me trying to be thankful and positive for what you do on this site. I apologize again for my actions.

You're fine, just explaining our position on this.

...don't forget to move the page name category. And don't forget to change the category where it's needed -- older pages and images, usually. I've done this twice in your wake now; it's not hard and it's just being a good wiki user not to leave the job half done, so please remember it the next time.

Okay, I'll make sure to move the page name category whenever I rename them.

Of the 35 Trope Workshop pages we have going as of this posting, you have created 12 of them:

• Trope Workshop:Alternate Realm Boon
• Trope Workshop:Average in One World, Powerful in Another
• Trope Workshop:Beary Cute
• Trope Workshop:Bubble Blower
• Trope Workshop:Chaos Control
• Trope Workshop:Exclusive Powers
• Trope Workshop:Kori Konflict
• Trope Workshop:Metaphysical App
• Trope Workshop:Potent Pheromones
• Trope Workshop:RPG Rapture‎
• Trope Workshop:Shield Slinger
• Trope Workshop:Words act more than Actions

And you continue to use poor grammar when creating and editing these pages.

I've already received complaints about you doing this. You're overloading everybody else's ability to keep up.

I've restricted your posting rights - for one month, or until somebody has gone through all of your suggested tropes and cleaned up the grammar in your existing pages(whichever comes first), you are not allowed to edit or create Trope Workshop pages.

This is not a punitive block. This has been put in place to protect the wiki - specifically, to keep the Trope workshop system from being overloaded.

@Labster @GethN7 @Looney Toons @QuestionableSanity @Derivative @SelfCloak

I KNOW!!! YOU HAVE BEEN SAYING THAT FOR MONTHS AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO!!! I HAVE NO ONE ELSE TO HELP ME WITH THIS AND KEEP ON READING THEM BUT I CAN'T FIND ANY PROBLEMS WITH THEM. I READ THEM OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND I AM DOING THIS BY MYSELF AS I AM THE ONLY ONE THAT I CAN RELY ON! I HAVE NO ONE THAT CAN HELP ME SEE THE PROBLEM THAT YOU AND OTHER MODS CAN SEE! I am just asking for something specific where my poor grammar is affecting these pages so much and I don't know what to do. I really want to get better at writing and even want to make stories online but this whole situation has been a crutch where I finally think I meet success; I can only find failure in your eyes. I just need outside insight to get what you are stating that I am doing wrong. I need your help and I am begging you to try to give me an example of how my grammar is bad and what I am doing wrong. I beseech you for you help as I am at my nadir with this whole problem.

I don't know how to help you here... This is an issue with your basic grammar skills, and I'm not an English teacher.

Some cities and provinces (or states) have online English grammar courses that people who live in the same place can take for free. I don't know where you live, so I can't suggest anything more than doing an online search for one.

There are also online resources;

• Free grammar checkers such as Grammarly and Grammarcheck.net, and
• Online lessons such as those offered by The Grammar Mechanics Foundation.

You might want to also check out the article 10 Websites to Help Improve Your English Grammar.

I would note that to find and recommend these sites, I did nothing more than Google on "grammar advice online" and pick a few items off the very first page of results, which you could have done seconds after the first time someone suggested you might want to work on your grammar.

Thank you for that the links, I already have Grammarly but I will try Grammarcheck. I will also look at the 10 website to help improve grammar link as well. This should help with making my mistakes

Since you can't edit Trope Workshop pages at the moment... How is "Potent Pheromones" different from Charm Person?

We don't usually do tropes that are merely "existing trope with a modifier" - we just list the examples on the existing trope page and mention the modifier. In this case, the modifier is the delivery system of the cause of the stated effect.

Alright, the focus of the trope is supposed to be on superpowers related to pheromones where one aspect of such a power can lead to an infatuation or mind control. In other forms, there are other application like in elDIVE where aliens can use their pheromones as form of attack like creating a blade that can cut through an opponent like butter. Stacy X has pheromones produced on her skin where once person makes physical contact with it, their bodily functions will be stimulated such as increasing their stamina or inducing a bodily function like vomiting. Wallflower can make people feel the same emotions she feel through pheromones. Alphas have two forms of people that can make a pheromone but are different; one can cause someone to go berserk while another can cause an emotional attachment. The power itself is taking the biological attribute of pheromones and using for different effects. The most common result is putting them in a love spell or mind control but that just seems like the popular from in media. A Charm Person from what I can read can come from any source such as magic, hypnosis, psychic powers, or by them just being beautiful. The focus of this trope is a superpower that involve pheromones in some way or form. I could also try to find other examples of pheromones being used for other application rather than charming a person would that help?

That does help, yes. Thanks.

I have added some examples along with different examples that stray away from Charm Person. Does it work?

I can't address that particular because I haven't looked at it yet, but I reopened this thread just now to suggest that you stop adding examples to the tropes you are trying to have created -- at least until they are rewritten to a point that fifth-grade English teacher wouldn't fail them. Adding kilobytes of more badly-written text does nothing to encourage anyone to actually fix your tropes to make them launchable, because it gives the impression of an impossible task. Why would someone spend several hours (and yeah, it will be) fixing one of your tropes, only to find its length has doubled while they were working, and all of the new material needs just as much work?

Once a trope has the basic ten examples, there's no need to open up the editor and back a dumptruck full of more equally illiterate examples into it. You can add them after the trope has left the workshop. Continuously adding more and more material while it's in the workshop does nothing but discourage anyone but you from working on it.

Just stop. Please.

Okay, I get that I am terrible at writing tropes and examples. I am sorry for causing this trouble. I wasn't trying to encourage anyone to do the work for me but me putting in the work from what I could find from the tropes. If anyone can give me a small hint or something akin to that then fine. I won't try to add anymore and I have been trying to use the tools you have presented. I hope that you can I just want to least accept my apology. The least I can do is try to help correct my mistakes. So would that cause you more trouble or will it lead to more problems?

Right now, that will probably lead to more problems. We'll let you know when we've gone through a trope - there will be a comment on the trope's talk page asking whether the troupe should be launched. (Or, in a worst-case scenario, whether it should be deleted, and why.)

When the talk page for the tropes is launchable or not, can I leave a comment to try and give my two cents or is it just for the mods?

No, it's for everybody who wants to comment.

Okay, thanks for the information! I hope it will be an enlightening experience!