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Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

If you remove a trope from the Trivia page of a work for not being Trivia -- like you just did with The Walking Dead -- unless it's completely wrong, put it on the main page for the work. No need for you to do that this time, I've taken care of it.

TVGarbage (talkcontribs)

Oh.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

This guideline can be generalized -- which I would have thought you were smart enough to do on your own. For instance, if there are a couple out-of-place entries on, oh, let's say the the YMMV page for RuneScape, move them to where they belong instead of deleting them with comments about how they're out of place.

Again, I've done this for you this time. But please do it yourself in the future.

TVGarbage (talkcontribs)
Well, I did decide to add an entry about the three evil gorillas that kill monkeys. It was in my own words though.
Looney Toons (talkcontribs)
TVGarbage (talkcontribs)

That was what the edit I erased was about...

TVGarbage (talkcontribs)

Whatever.

The Walking Dead (TV series)/YMMV

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Looney Toons (talkcontribs)
TVGarbage (talkcontribs)

In my defense, I started a discussion first. Though now that I think of it, I suppose the unfortunate implications apply to the EARLY days of the show.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Starting a discussion is irrelevant. The rule is right there on the edit page, black text on a brilliantly yellow background so the only way you can miss it is to deliberately refrain from reading it: DO NOT DELETE YMMV CONTENT. DOING SO WILL GET YOU A TEMPBAN. No qualifiers. No "it's okay if I start a discussion". Do it and you're banned. How hard is that to understand? Especially as I told you explicitly in a message you'd read less than two hours earlier that if you deleted more YMMV content you would be tempbanned. At what point did you get the idea that it wasn't going to happen?

TVGarbage (talkcontribs)

Sorry, it's just that there didn't seem to be any objections.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

I would like you to consider the warning message that says "DON'T DO THIS" to be a pre-existing objection to you doing that, just like a stop sign is a pre-existing objection to the idea of driving out into oncoming traffic. Is that so very hard to understand?

I'm going to repeat the warning I just put in the other thread, because you seem bound and determined to ignore a very simple rule that no one else seems to have any problem understanding:

If you, TVGarbage, delete anything on any YMMV page, you will receive a one-month tempban. And if you delete YMMV content after that, you will receive a permanent ban on the grounds that we cannot trust you to follow any rule.

Do you understand?

CC: @Labster, @GethN7, @Robkelk, @QuestionableSanity, @Derivative, @SelfCloak

TVGarbage (talkcontribs)

OK.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

OK what? Do you understand this warning or don't you?

TVGarbage (talkcontribs)

I understand.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Thank you.

TVGarbage (talkcontribs)

I will admit that I removed Shane being a CM from the YMMV page because he cares about Lori and Carl...though I don't think Carl wanted him to kill his dad.

You could say he crossed the MEH when he served Otis on a platter to the zombies though. He was probably juicy, but still!

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

You could say any number of things, yes - it's your opinion, just like what you took off the page (and was restored) is somebody else's opinion. You look like you're trying to justify your actions. We already have a page about Justifying Edits.

But, hey, maybe we're wrong. If you want to this rule to be changed, propose a rule change on the Forum once your tempban is finished.

TVGarbage (talkcontribs)

Well, we might want to make a few small edits to the YMMV page entries once in a while.

One more thing...

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Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

I note that earlier today you made nearly twenty-five edits to The Walking Dead (TV series)/Characters in 18 just minutes. If you're going to be serial-tweaking a page like that once you get your edit rights back, you might want to use the preview button rather than saving and editing over and over again. It's very slightly faster, plus it doesn't fill the recent changes page with multiple entries for the same page over and over again.

TVGarbage (talkcontribs)

Well, it DID say that the page was outdated so I'm kind of making a lot of edits.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

That's fine... but you can do that without filling up the Recent Changes page with two dozen tiny little edits. Like I said, that's what Preview is for.

TVGarbage (talkcontribs)

I'm sorry about my edits on the YMMV page. I'll try not to make such drastic edits next time.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Look, how hard is this to understand? You can add all you want. You may not delete anything.

Given that you're being very difficult about this concept, I'm giving you an explicit warning: If you, TVGarbage, delete anything on any YMMV page, you will receive a one-month tempban. And if you delete YMMV content after that, you will receive a permanent ban on the grounds that we cannot trust you to follow any rule.

Do you understand that?

CC: @Labster, @GethN7, @Robkelk, @QuestionableSanity, @Derivative, @SelfCloak

TVGarbage (talkcontribs)

OK.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

OK what? Do you understand this warning or don't you?

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

In case you haven't read the bright yellow banner that appears above the edit window every time you edit a YMMV page:

Expect to see things that you don't agree with on YMMV pages. They're there because these are YMMV pages, and they should stay there unless they break the wiki's rules.

I have accordingly reverted your deletions on Sonichu/YMMV‎ and Barney and Friends/YMMV. In the future, please do not delete things you disagree with from YMMV pages; as that very same yellow banner explicitly warns, doing so is a tempbannable action.

Please respond to this message to let us know you understand and agree.

-- Looney Toons

CC: @Labster, @GethN7, @Robkelk, @QuestionableSanity, @Derivative, @SelfCloak

TVGarbage (talkcontribs)

OK, but I think for a character to be the Scrappy people have to like the show or webcomic first.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

If you feel strongly about it, propose a change to the definition of the trope on its talk page or in the forums, and if you get a consensus that agrees with you, we will change it accordingly. But even then, you will not be permitted to delete other people's opinions from YMMV pages -- your opinion does not overrule theirs.

Regarding "The Scrappy"

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Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

While we are not averse to refining the definition of the trope, it would be far better to propose your changes on the talk page first, rather than just imposing them. I have for the moment reverted your edits pending the creation of such a discussion and the determination of what edits we actually want to make. Please feel free to start it and propose your changes.

-- Looney Toons

CC: @Labster, @GethN7, @Robkelk, @QuestionableSanity, @Derivative, @SelfCloak

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

When adding examples to tropes in the future, please include the italics and link markup on the work names -- and make sure you're putting the work name in the proper form. For example, in your recent addition to Tragic Monster, you simply put the work name as

Scooby Doo Mystery Incorporated

when it should have been

''[[Scooby-Doo! Mystery Incorporated]]''

which would appear in the text as Scooby-Doo! Mystery Incorporated.

Doing this will reduce the load on the moderation staff, who currently have follow behind your contributions and clean up after you.

If you're uncertain what the proper capitalization, spelling and punctuation of a work name is, you can use our search box to find the work, at the very worst by a process of elimination.

Thank you.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

It has been two weeks since this request was made and you have neither acknowledged it (or any other communications other than those in the first thread posted here), nor have you begun marking up work names as we've asked.

This is now an official warning. The admins of the wiki have too much other work to do here to have to follow along behind you and fix every one of your edits. If you do not respond to this thread in some manner within the next 48 hours, we will be forced to give you a non-punitive two-day "attention-getter" tempban. Tempbans will continue -- and get longer -- as long as you refuse to reply, until we give up on you entirely and turn it into a permanent ban. It is in your interest to respond.

-- Looney Toons, admin

CC: @Labster, @GethN7, @Robkelk, @QuestionableSanity, @Derivative, @SelfCloak

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

@TVGarbage, I see from the Recent Changes list that you were online and editing after @Looney Toons posted the above message. Your failure to look at your own discussion page does not fill me with hope that you will respond within the time limit you have been given. 18 of your 48 hours have already passed, as of this posting.

It is in your interest to respond - especially with anonymous editing temporarily disabled.

@Labster @GethN7 @QuestionableSanity @Derivative @SelfCloak

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

@TVGarbage : You have about four hours -- until approximately 2:15 PM Eastern Time -- to respond to this thread. If you do not reply, you will receive a non-punitive 2-day "attention getter" tempban.

Save us all the trouble -- please reply.

Thank you.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)
TVGarbage (talkcontribs)

Sorry, I wasn't feeling my best!

Labster (talkcontribs)

Do you understand what you’re being asked to do?

TVGarbage (talkcontribs)

Yeah.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Are you going to do it?

TVGarbage (talkcontribs)

Yep.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Thank you.

TVGarbage (talkcontribs)

You're welcome, I've found the admins here to be a bit irritating but at least you were polite to me.

GethN7 (talkcontribs)

Alright, we noticed your edits are starting to go back to being what prompted us to start these messages, and we may have to give you a temp ban for quite awhile if you still cannot be bothered with proper italic and link markup.

Consider this your last warning before the blocks fall.

TVGarbage (talkcontribs)

I'm trying to make sure they're italicized.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Not just italicized, but in the proper form with link markup as well -- see the very first message in this thread for what we're talking about.

EDIT: A prime example is your recent edit to Double Entendre. The film in question is actually called The Princess and the Frog, not Princess and the Frog. And we have a page on it, to which we want examples like this one to link. This is why we asked you to use the correct name for works (including any punctuation in them) and put them in link markup. It's not difficult -- thousands of other users both here and on TVT do it every day.

TVGarbage (talkcontribs)

Whoops.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

I don't like being the bad guy, but when something's been brought to my attention, I don't have much choice.

This edit shows that you're still only doing part of the work needed to make edits that look the way the wiki's Style Guide recommends.

I'm going to give you 48 hours to reply here, saying in your own words what has been pointed out to you in this thread. I'm asking you to rephrase things the way you would say them, so that we all know that you understand what it is that we're asking of you.

Failure to respond will result in another "attention-getter" block of your account, this time for a full week.

@TVGarbage @Labster @GethN7 @Looney Toons @QuestionableSanity @Derivative @SelfCloak

TVGarbage (talkcontribs)

I guess I forgot to italicize Recess...I've been trying to remember that though.

In my defense, I did provide a link to that particular cartoon page.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

In that particular example. Recess: School's Out has its own page, so linking "Recess" and ignoring the rest of the movie's name will send the user to the wrong work. We'd rather not see that. Please at least put in a moment's effort to see if the work has a page here and what the name is, to correctly link it.

TVGarbage (talkcontribs)

Whoops.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

When you add examples to pages, actually add the name of the work they came from. If you can't be bothered to say where the example comes from, we can't guarantee it won't be deleted by someone else who finds that kind of laziness annoying.

CC: @Labster, @GethN7, @Robkelk, @QuestionableSanity, @Derivative, @SelfCloak

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

I am aware of two of your contributions that already have been deleted because they did not identify the works that they come from.

Another request...

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Robkelk (talkcontribs)

Thank you for your contributions...

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Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

... but maybe before you do much more editing you take a few minutes to actually learn how we do things here.

Just like TVT, we have a place to propose and refine new tropes, called the Trope Workshop. If you want to propose a new trope, you put the page there, following the guidelines we provide. Do not just spew an illiterate, half-formed mess into the main namespace like a stray dog dropping a load on someone's lawn.

Secondly, you may have noticed that the page you created looked nothing like other pages on the site. That's because we've gone through a lot of effort to provide users with templates and boilerplates that let you create a nearly-perfect page with almost no effort other than clicking in a menu and following some very simple instructions. If you feel the uncontrollable need to create another new page for the wiki, please do so through the ATT Page Creator, which in addition to the link I just added there, can be found as the very first entry under "Troping Utilities" in the menu that runs along the left edge of every page. Doing so will help you create a page that has everything it needs to be a proper part of the wiki.

You will also want to look at our Style Guide and Content Guidelines. They're very short, sweet, and relatively simple to follow. If you've managed to pass Grade 8 English, you should have absolutely no problems. Given your recent contributions, you probably should also read How to Write An Example as well.

Please take the minimal time needed to familiarize yourself with these few tools and guides -- doing so will improve your contributions to the wiki greatly, and also greatly reduce the odds that someone will have to go in and edit, move or delete them.

Please let us know if you have any questions.

-- Looney Toons, admin

CC: @Labster, @GethN7, @Robkelk, @QuestionableSanity, @Derivative, @SelfCloak

Robkelk (talkcontribs)
Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

By the way, we'd appreciate it if you acknowledged reading this thread. Your most recent additions to Freudian Excuse Is No Excuse‎ show no signs of the improvements we would have expected had you reviewed the pages linked to above.

Please note that failure to respond to admin communications like this thread is a tempbannable offense, starting with a two-day "attention getting" ban. It is very much in your interest to reply.

EDIT: I should also note that if you do not mark up the page correctly as a trope workshop candidate no one will see it in the workshop. That means there will be no other wiki users who see it, like it, contribute to it -- and support its promotion to the main namespace as a full trope. If you do not fix the problems that have been extensively outlined, then it will get deleted as a poor job by someone who can't be bothered with doing things right. Just fair warning.

TVGarbage (talkcontribs)

Sorry...I just figured I would add some examples to the page.

Robkelk (talkcontribs)

You added examples, but you didn't pay attention to what was in the Cleanup box at the top of the page - now, instead of having one example that doesn't say where it's from, the page has multiple examples that don't say where they're from.

You also didn't add the markup that was listed as the very first thing that needed to be done. I just did that for you. Do not expect me to be so accommodating again.

TVGarbage (talkcontribs)

I added to the description.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

Congratulations. Instead of being eight words long, it's now an astounding 35 words. You'd best put in a TL;DR summary for those who will be intimidated by the screen-filling wall of text you've written.

In other words, no, that's not sufficient. What is the trope, exactly, besides a pile of snark? How does a writer use it? What role does it serve in the creation of a story?

TVGarbage (talkcontribs)

They give a villain a backstory but it doesn't excuse their behavior. It explains but doesn't justify evil.

Looney Toons (talkcontribs)

I hate to break it to you, but that's still basically Freudian Excuse, which itself explains but doesn't justify. How is your trope candidate different in any substantive way from it?

TVGarbage (talkcontribs)

Well, a Freudian Excuse typically JUSTIFIES a villain's actions.

Umbire the Phantom (talkcontribs)

It honestly seems like you might not have enough of a grasp on the trope beyond the basics to properly elaborate on it like is currently needed.

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