User talk:Umbire the Phantom

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I just rolled back your edits to Pronoun Trouble

Most of your edits to Pronoun Trouble were stylistic choices and did not cause any problems, but also would not cause any issues if they were removed. These edits were problems and needed to be rolled back:

  • You removed the "context" tag from an example without providing context.
  • You replaced a date with the word "recent", thus requiring either rollback or the addition of the "when" tag to have somebody come in and add the date back in.
  • You replaced "Category:Japanese Language" (which exists) with "Category:Useful Notes/Japanese Language" (which does not exist).

In the future, please do not remove requests for context without providing the requested context, and please do not remove actual data such as real-world dates.

--Robkelk (talk) 12:19, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page. --Umbire the Phantom (talk) 14:39, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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You've been making excellent edits and spotting problems on the wiki ever since you created your account. Thank you! Robkelk (talk) 20:42, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

Automatic Moderation

Hello Umbire the Phantom!

As a result of the Great Miraheze Spam Flood that affected multiple wikis in December 2020, we have instituted moderation of posts. Most people's edits and image uploads will not appear immediately, the way that they would on Wikipedia... but, now, yours will - no more waiting for a moderator to approve your edits.

This is a privilege given for consistently good edits and being a Troper in good standing, not a right. Congratulations!

@Umbire the Phantom @Labster @Looney Toons @GethN7 @QuestionableSanity @Derivative @SelfCloak


I have started the Hollywood Malware trope. Please come and help out. RocketMaster (talk) 14:15, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

For future reference...

Per All The Tropes:Creating Disambiguation Pages:


[U]nlike Wikipedia we do not append "(disambiguation)" or anything similar to the name of the disambiguation page -- one of its purposes is to catch any unspecific links that exist in the wiki. Making it distinct from the "common name" would defeat that purpose.


So as to make the best use of the disambiguation page you've created, I renamed "Cyclops" to "Cyclopean Creature" and your new page to just "Cyclops".

-- Looney Toons (talk) 22:49, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Why I just reverted your edit to "Token Lesbian"

You changed "homosexual" to "gay". Maybe this is a case of Small Reference Pools, but where I live, "gay" specifically refers to homosexual males. The trope is about homosexual females. Thus, "gay" isn't the right word for that trope. --Robkelk (talk) 03:09, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Just to add to this, it's "LG" (lesbian, gay) in "LGBTQ" for this reason, among others. -- Looney Toons (talk) 13:32, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Why add a media type to Something (ROM Hack)?

Our policy is not to append a media type to a work name unless it is necessary for disambiguation. Are you planning on creating another page called "Something"? -- Looney Toons (talk) Looney Toons (talk) 14:29, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Please don't insert blank lines under Examples and Tropelist templates.

This is a deliberate style choice for the wiki -- I've been removing blank lines under these templates everywhere I find them for nigh unto eight years now. Please don't undo my work and/or add more work for me. -- Looney Toons (talk) 13:59, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
Ah, apologies. --Umbire the Phantom (talk) 20:33, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Whitespace Removal

Not to be a noodge or anything, but why are you putting so much effort into removing space characters from header markups and at the end of sentences, where those of us who learned typing on actual typewriters were trained to put two in a row? That's a whole lot of work for something that makes absolutely no difference to the wiki. -- Looney Toons (talk) 20:26, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

If you want to use the new infobox for books...

... feel free! The documentation for it is right here.

We only have an infobox for books, so far - we're still experimenting with the idea of infoboxes.

--Robkelk (talk) 00:50, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

IRC and admin rights


The gist is that the person registering it needs to represent it in an official capacity, e.g. someone with access to the domain registration and such.


We had a discussion offline: @Looney Toons, @GethN7 and I are willing to make you an admin (temporarily or permanently, your choice) if you think that will let you set up an IRC project on We trust you with the rights.

--Robkelk (talk) 00:46, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Your take on best way to handle a certain situation involving an intersex character

I was planning to make pages for the anime Majestic Prince and the game Super Robot Wars 30, both of which feature a character with undetermined pronouns. The Japanese script of both uses gender neutral pronouns to refer to them, and in the source show, Ange themselves refuses to disclose their gender. Dialogue from the medical people in the show (as Ange was subjected to genetic engineering like most of the other protagonists) indicates they have a legitimately intersex condition, but never confirms this either way. To be on the safe side, I planned to follow the lead of the dub of Majestic Prince and the English script of SRW 30, which uses they/them pronouns whenever the topic of gender is ever discussed in relation to the character. Unless you know a more respectful way to address this topic, and given it seems to be a personal concern of yours to see this topic is shown respect, I figured I'd defer to your second opinion, if you have one, before I did anything. GethN7 (talk) 04:51, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

I default to "they/them" in instances where pronouns aren't known. --Umbire the Phantom (talk) 06:14, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
Much obliged. Thanks for the advice. GethN7 (talk) 13:56, 11 November 2021 (UTC)