Veronica Mars/YMMV

Everything About Fiction You Never Wanted to Know.


  • Accidental Innuendo - in a rare serious example, after the season 2 finale many fans thought Cassidy has raped Mac. He hadn't, and the writers never meant to imply that, but the scene, dialogue, and the fact he had raped Veronica threw people off.
  • Alas, Poor Villain - Cassidy
  • Badass Decay - Logan, Weevil, Logan, Sheriff Lamb, and Logan.
  • Broken Base - Many fans believe seasonal rot set in at one point, but no one can agree on which season - and many others enjoyed all three seasons.
  • Complete Monster: Aaron Echolls, who abuses his son, cheated on his wife and drove her to suicide, slept with his son's girlfriend then bashed her head in, then tried to set Veronica on fire.
    • Also, Woody Goodman, remorseless pedophile who turned Cassidy Cassablancas into a mass murderer.
    • Teacher's Assistant Tim Foyle also counts. Murdered the husband of the woman that the professor he worked under was having an affair with, in order to frame him for the murder. When that failed, he tricked the professor into thinking the wife did the deed and framed him as her fall-guy, causing the professor to murder her in a violent rage. Oh and the fact that the scheming professor/mistresss, in their bid to cover for each other, tried to frame the mistress's ex-husband, who murdered the town sheriff with a baseball bat. Though his motive (the professor, who disliked Foyle for being too much of a passive butt-kisser, purposely ruined Tim's chances of getting his own teaching job at another college via giving a nasty reference and then lying to Tim about giving him a positive one) gives him a level of sympathy for his misdeeds, the sheer amount of carnage, intentional and unintentional caused even Veronica to freak out when she busted him.
    • Subjectivewise, there is Sheriff Lamb. While Rob Thomas conceived of the character as an irredeemable stooge for the establishment (complete with the character receiving a Moral Event Horizon moment in the pilot to establish the moment that pushed Veronica towards believing in vigilantism over working within the system of the law), fans took to the character in spite of his monstrous behavior. This tug of war over the Misaimed Fandom and Draco in Leather Pants aspect of the character led to Thomas savagely killing off the character in season three, in a bit of Writer's Revolt over the Misaimed Fandom issue.
    • Mercer definitely needs to be included. He not only raped multiple girls at Hearst, but also felt that it was necessary to completely shave their heads and disgrace them even further. His justification makes it even worse, which was something along the lines of: "Trying to get into a girl's pants the normal way is long and boring
  • Die for Our Ship - Anyone who dares to get in the way of Logan/Veronica and their OMGEPICTRULUV4EVA! (not that I'm bitter). Duncan, Leo, Hannah, Piz and Parker all got the brunt of this.
  • Draco in Leather Pants - Sheriff Donald Lamb. Both Casablancas brothers, most notably Cassidy.
    • The writers did intend for Cassidy to be a likable character up until the climactic scene in "Not Pictured", however. And interestingly, the scene in which he is revealed to be evil is even a Shirtless Scene.
  • Drinking Game: Take a shot every time Veronica asks someone for a favor.
    • I tried this. Problem is that with 40 minute episodes, the shots need to be ridiculously strong for any real buzz to occur.
  • Fan-Preferred Couple - Veronica and whomever she wasn't with at the time. She's with Duncan? The fans wanted Veronica/Logan. She's with Logan? The fans wanted Duncan back. Not to mention those who wanted her to get together with Weevil or Wallace.
    • Mac and Cassidy were quite popular too, before and after the Season 2 finale.
  • Ensemble Darkhorse: Mac, Cassidy, and Logan are all extremely popular among the fandom, due primarily to the former two being the Fan-Preferred Couple and the latter being a prime source of hilarious one-liners.
  • Fan Wank: The reason for why Sheriff Lamb was killed off was never officially stated by actor Michael Muhney, Rob Thomas, and the rest of the writers. As such, two theories have persisted as the reason for such a controversial move: 1. Writer Revolt as far as Rob Thomas and the writers being appalled by fans liking the character or 2. Michael Muhney was caught leaking spoilers to fans of the show, leading to UPN ordering him fired.
  • Foe Yay - Logan/Weevil, Veronica/Lamb, Keith/Lamb, Kendall/Cassidy (which edges on text in "The Quick and The Wed"). Technically text with Veronica and Cassidy, on his part at least, what with the rape and all.
  • Funny Aneurysm Moment
    • In the penultimate episode of season 2, Weevil tells Cassidy (who is helping him with algebra, long story): "If this is your idea of terms I'll understand? I'm going to kill you. Or myself. It's a toss up." One episode later, Cassidy commits suicide.
    • Dick manages to give two painful FAMs in one episode (2x13 "Ain't No Magic Mountain High Enough"), first by being Cassidy's brother and ripping into Jackie, because she's Terrence's daughter. Second, he mocks Mac and Cassidy by asking her "You gonna pop his cherry? 'Cause you gotta take it easy. Don't go busting out any tricks, you don't want to spook him. Just take it gentle and slow," not knowing about the sexual abuse Cassidy has suffered. And inflicted.
    • Season 1's "Like A Virgin" features someone pretending to be Veronica sending an email to Duncan, saying she had VD when they were dating. Late in season 2 it is revealed Veronica has chlamydia... which she contracted being raped by Beaver, on the same night she slept with Duncan. It sucks to be Veronica.
    • Also in "Like A Virgin", the plot becomes darker when you realise just how bad Meg's parents really would have taken it.
    • There's the rather odd discussion of Chlamydia/Crazy Bitchy Teacher between Veronica, Gia and Dick, which is a bit uncomfortable to watch given Veronica got chlamydia being raped by Dick's brother, who got it being molested by Gia's father.
  • Growing the Beard- The first couple of episodes of the series were extremely hit or miss, in particular the show's second episode which feature a network mandated guest-appearance by Paris Hilton. It wasn't until episode six ("Return of the Kane") that the show truly fou:nd its footing.
  • Harsher in Hindsight
    • A couple of incredibly creepy ones from "A Trip to the Dentist" given that episode's later Retcon Beaver being told to "suit up, you don't know where [Veronica]'s been," is very ironic, given he gave her the STD. and Veronica's "You're here!" to Duncan when he finds her, given that Cassidy just raped her.
  • Hilarious in Hindsight:
    • When Veronica and Duncan overhear Logan and Kendall having sex Veronica utters the line "Attempt to outmoan them"
    • Also Adam Scott plays a teacher attempting to seduce Veronica. Bell would later by cast a love interest for Scott on Party Down
    • You could also say any time Veronica uses a taser
    • Logan's "Please say "High School English Teacher". Please say "High School English teacher"" Considering Jason Dohring's latest role
      • In similar fashion, Logan saying he avoids places with stained glass and pretending to be burned when placing his hand on a Bible becomes funnier when you realize he later played a vampire.
  • Ho Yay - Logan/Weevil (also Foe Yay), Logan/Duncan, Logan/Lamb.
  • Iron Woobie: No person should go through as much crap as Veronica does, and the majority of people would have some kind of breakdown - but no. She'll move on with a plan and a quip, and try and help people.
  • Jerkass Woobie
    • Logan might just be the personification of this trope.
    • Less on the "jerk" side, and more the "complete psychopath" side, there is Cassidy, a true testimony to the power of a Freudian Excuse.
    • Hell, even Dick starts to fall into this in season 3.
    • Veronica herself may be an unintentional example. While She is put through a truly gobsmacking amount of suffering (See Woobie for further details), She can be manipulative, inconsiderate, single-minded and just plain unpleasant to a lot of the people She meets (Just look at the way She talks to Tim Foyle in the Season three opening). In fact She seems to see nothing wrong with using friends and various other people for her schemes. The only thing that redeems her is that She uses her skills for good and does have a genuine desire to help people. She's still a good character but it's difficult not to wish the writers had a greater sense of awareness about her personality.
  • Les Yay - Veronica/Lilly, Veronica/Meg.
  • Like You Would Really Do It - Who really fell for it when they pretended they killed off Keith in the season 2 finale?
    • Wallace getting shot with blanks the episode before.
  • Magnificent Bastard - Veronica (obviously) and many, many others, including Logan and Cassidy.
  • Misaimed Fandom: Sheriff Donald Lamb.
  • Moral Event Horizon - many fans thought the revelation of Dick's role in Veronica's rape served as this for him. The show didn't seem to think so.
    • The pilot featured Sheriff Lamb crossing the moral event horizon towards the end of the episode via the reveal of what happened the morning Veronica attempted to report being sexually assaulted.
  • Rescued from the Scrappy Heap - Over the course of season 2, fans grew to accept Jackie.
    • Similarly, Parker got redeemed with the second half of season three given how her brief relationship with Logan won fans for the character, given how Parker brought out the good side of Logan.
  • The Scrappy - Duncan, Jackie, Hannah, Parker, and Piz. A grand total of ONE of these doesn't fall under Die for Our Ship.
  • Seasonal Rot - The third season departs completely from the format of the rest of the show, with the last third featuring stand-alone episodes. It also didn't help that the show spent the first third doing a rape mystery that utterly danced around Veronica being raped and how Sheriff Lamb refused to believe her, or that the second mystery was pretty much solved by most fans as far as the killer, leading to weeks of drawing out an arc that everyone else had figured out. Veronica turning into a smug, self-righteous jerk-ass didn't help, nor did the arbitrary breaking up of the Veronica/Logan pairing, the lack of fall-out from season two's ending, and Sheriff Lamb being killed off in anti-climatic fashion.
  • Shipping - Veronica and Logan, Logan and Weevil, and Logan and Sheriff Lamb
  • Squick - Veronica's immediate reaction when she realizes that She and her ex-boyfriend Duncan might be siblings. Her running narrative even stops mid-epiphany for a Vomit Discretion Shot.
  • Tear Jerker - Cassidy's suicide in "Not Pictured."
    • The dream sequence at the end of "Leave it to Beaver":

Lily: Don't forget about me, Veronica.
Veronica: I could never.

  • They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot: The Hearst Rapist storyline: fans where anxiously awaiting this storyline since it would have meant that there would finally be a confrontation between Veronica and Sheriff Lamb over his treatment of Veronica when she tried to report being raped, especially after the season two finale revealed that Veronica had indeed been raped after all. What could have been an epic showdown that had been built up since day one of the show (as well as a way to flesh out the character of Sheriff Lamb) got ignored save for a single, by-the-by line of dialogue where Lamb told Veronica that he still did not believe that she had been sexually assaulted.
    • Lamb's death also counts; some fans think he should have died during the denouement of the Hearst Rapist storyline, possibly being killed by the rapist's accomplice, the nerdy RA after arriving on campus to help Veronica arrest the rapist. Instead, Lamb was completely absent in said episode (having essentially slept through the entire unmasking of the rapist at his home} and was killed off several episodes later, in a lame collateral damage death in the second mystery arc).
    • The revelation that Lamb had been abused as a child in the same manner that Veronica suspects Meg's sister is looked like the start of some serious Character Development. Lamb even lets Veronica and Duncan go and seems seriously unhinged by what He saw going on. And yet He is back to being the writer's go to bad guy next episode and the issue is never once brought up again even when Veronica is trying to rescue Duncan's daughter so She will be spared similar treatment.
  • Why Would Anyone Take Him Back? - Veronica and Duncan. Veronica and Logan too.
  • The Woobie - Mac, Logan, and arguably Veronica herself. Subverted with Cassidy... Kinda.