Wall Banger/Live-Action TV/Angel
- Season 3 contains a relatively minor but still vexing one that was even Lampshaded towards the end of the series. Why didn't Wesley tell someone, anyone, about the prophecy that Angel would kill Connor? It's understandable that he didn't tell Angel, but going to Angel's sworn enemy before his own friends... Bang, bang, bang.
- Cordelia was off cavorting with the Groosalugg, Fred is out because between Wesley's guilt over having tried to kill her while under Billy's influence and her throwing him over for Gunn he can't even speak to her without having an emotional shitstorm (plus, she's far too likely to take Angel's side), Gunn is out because there's a "my best friend's girl" situation hanging between them (plus, he will almost certainly go along with Fred re; taking Angel's side because while he personally isn't that wrapped up in Angel he's going to back his girlfriend), and Lorne was temporarily PO'ed with the gang about the part where his club got burned down because Holtz attacked them there, so, its not like Wesley was overwhelmed with options.
- How about season 4, when they just take the word of the big evil that killing the human enslaving and eating Jasmine was a bad thing, and then they take over Wolfram & Hart?
- Angel himself had a good reason; they gave him a choice between accepting Wolfram and Hart's offer, or having his son kill Cordelia, a mall full of people, and himself. But he accepted the offer unilaterally. Not only did none of the others sign on (Angel signed for all of them), but they were also affected by the memory edit re: Connor until Wesley broke the spell in "Origin". Inconsiderate of Angel, but oh well....
- While we're on that subject, how about the note that Angel signed for all of them? Wolfram and Hart contracts extend beyond the grave. Really, think about that. Signing on with Wolfram and Hart is LITERALLY selling your soul to the Wolf, Ram, and Hart, and these contracts have never even been suggested to be breakable. By signing on with Wolfram and hart, you will be in their service for ETERNITY, either as their employee, or whatever hell they choose to do with you if you refuse to work for them. Angel had something that he felt was worth signing over for, but signing all his FRIENDS into eternal servitude for the Wolf, Ram, and Hart? Brilliant, Angel. Just f'ing brilliant.
- Actually, its Fridge Brilliance. If Angel signs for his friends like that then there is a strong possibility they can use that later on to get out of the contracts -- in both real-world contract law and most fictional stories involving deals with the devil, there has to be an intent on your part to form a contract for a contract to actually exist. If somebody else signs for you without your power-of-attorney, your consent, or your knowledge, then they eat the costs and not you. So Angel is trying to take the bullet to spare his friends the consequences, which is entirely in-character for him. Unfortunately for Angel all of his friends decided on their own after the W&H facilities tour that they liked the deal and wanted to stick with it, so this didn't work.
- Along that line, given that "Hell Bound" shows that even a sincerely repentant and redeeming vampire with a soul can still feel themselves inevitably damned to Hell for their prior crimes, its not like Angel loses much by binding himself to W&H's service for eternity in the afterlife. As far as Angel knows, he's already booked for a hot date downstairs -- might as well at least have that date with a dance partner he knows instead of some stranger.
- Actually, its Fridge Brilliance. If Angel signs for his friends like that then there is a strong possibility they can use that later on to get out of the contracts -- in both real-world contract law and most fictional stories involving deals with the devil, there has to be an intent on your part to form a contract for a contract to actually exist. If somebody else signs for you without your power-of-attorney, your consent, or your knowledge, then they eat the costs and not you. So Angel is trying to take the bullet to spare his friends the consequences, which is entirely in-character for him. Unfortunately for Angel all of his friends decided on their own after the W&H facilities tour that they liked the deal and wanted to stick with it, so this didn't work.
- While we're on that subject, how about the note that Angel signed for all of them? Wolfram and Hart contracts extend beyond the grave. Really, think about that. Signing on with Wolfram and Hart is LITERALLY selling your soul to the Wolf, Ram, and Hart, and these contracts have never even been suggested to be breakable. By signing on with Wolfram and hart, you will be in their service for ETERNITY, either as their employee, or whatever hell they choose to do with you if you refuse to work for them. Angel had something that he felt was worth signing over for, but signing all his FRIENDS into eternal servitude for the Wolf, Ram, and Hart? Brilliant, Angel. Just f'ing brilliant.
- Angel himself had a good reason; they gave him a choice between accepting Wolfram and Hart's offer, or having his son kill Cordelia, a mall full of people, and himself. But he accepted the offer unilaterally. Not only did none of the others sign on (Angel signed for all of them), but they were also affected by the memory edit re: Connor until Wesley broke the spell in "Origin". Inconsiderate of Angel, but oh well....
- "The Girl In Question". Where to start? It makes everything about Buffy again, even though we only ever see a woman in a blonde wig. There are many lazy, horrid attempts at meta-humour. Fred's parents were apparently never told about their daughter's death, which makes the gang look like Jerkasses. And they turned Angelus into a Butt Monkey. For the love of God, why?
- Shh, that episode never happened.
- For this troper, the worst episode of the series is arguably "Billy". Apparently there is a primal hatred for women in all men just waiting to be unleashed. Follow that by several examples of Anvilicious attempts to stress female empowerment by showing crazed misogynistic men. Also, the absurd comment that Angel wasn't affected by Billy's touch because apparently Angelus never felt hatred. Rewind to any scene with Angelus, and every other one will consist of him being angry.
- Angel explained that when he was Angelus (and therefore soulless and evil) he killed for sport or pleasure. You don't need to hate your victim to get off on killing them.
- Perhaps, but there are still instances of him being angry. Angel himself has been prone to anger at times as well.
- Anger and Hatred are not the same thing.
- Perhaps, but there are still instances of him being angry. Angel himself has been prone to anger at times as well.
- Angel explained that when he was Angelus (and therefore soulless and evil) he killed for sport or pleasure. You don't need to hate your victim to get off on killing them.
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