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***** Like [[Alternate Character Interpretation|the White Queen]] from the Tim Burton film? [[Fridge Brilliance|Interesting]]...
* Why the (please excuse my language) fuck is everyone convinced that the book is an hallucination by an insane woman, or a drug trip? WHY? Because it's fantasy? But why this book in particular? Why not Harry Potter or the Chronicles of Narnia or the Wizard of Oz or Peter Pan or the Spiderwick Chronicles or the [[Never Ending]] Story? Why can't anybody suspend disbelief and use their fucking imagination? No, everything needs to have a rational explanation, even Wonderland.
** Its mostly because of how outright absurd it seems; from a generic person's view, [[The Lord of the Rings (Literature)|having Earth's prehistory as magical, with medieval european looking civilisations, with elves, orcs and dwarves and with a fallen dark lord that once disguised himself as a bishounen to fool the elves]] or [[His Dark Materials|a multiverse with a god like particle of which angels are made and with armoured polar bears]] makes more sense, because as a whole things seem to follow a certain logic. [[Alice in Wonderland (Literature)|Alice in Wonderland]] is not by any means logic, in fact its the opposite of it, not even having a recognisable plot, and thats what leads people to think it was the result of drugs, which is quite sad because [[Mind Screw]] is an awesome trope.
** Not to mention the fact that the author was a known drug user and was possibly under the influence while coming up with the story. With that in mind its not that much of a stretch to think that the protagonist too would be under the influence.
*** I've never heard he was a drug user, and I've read several biographies. I think you've mistaken him for someone else.
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** "Why must you always be the wrong size?" Said wistfully, to boot. That alone does it for the shipp- ew. You just gave me a horrible, ''horrible'' [[Alternate Character Interpretation]] involving your description of the Hatter's relationship with Alice, [[Getting Crap Past the Radar]] regarding Lewis Carrol's... infatuation, and the [[Wife Husbandry]] trope. [[Sarcasm Mode|Thanks, above troper]]. But I digress. Their relationship to me mostly seemed like nostalgic friendship with occasional hints of a little-kid style crush on the part of the Hatter (when she was nineteen, at least, the brief flashback wasn't very informative), vague sympathy/sense of purpose on the part of Alice until later on when she decided it wasn't necessarily a dream, and fire-forged [[Platonic Life Partners|something]] (still with the sympathy) towards the end.
*** This troper is officially experiencing [[Fridge Horror]]
** Yeah, I agree. And kind of more paternal from Alice's direction than the Hatter's. Well, it sort of went both ways, a little, which I guess makes it more of a [[Like Brother and Sister]] thing. So I didn't see the whole [[Strangled Byby the Red String]] problem, because it seemed sort of as though she saw him as [[The Woobie]]. So it wasn't that she suddenly had deep feelings for a bizarre man who's twice her age under all that makeup, she just saw him as a friend and on top of that felt bad for him because he's the tragic, organic disorder version of [[The Mad Hatter|his namesake trope]].
** Squicky as it may be, I interpreted him as being a fill-in for Lewis Carroll and most people these days interpret him as having been romantically interested in the real Alice, so yeah.
*** ...Why would the Hatter be his fill-in? There is very, very little similarity. Now, the White Knight from Looking Glass is REALLY blatantly so, but the Hatter does very little.
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** [[The Other Wiki|Citation Needed.]] Can you show the article that has Burton admitting to never reading the books? Otherwise, there is no backup to support your complaint.
*** There isn't. The above quote is from him explaining why he didn't ''enjoy'' the book (he felt no emotional investment due to the lack of a running story), which kind of requires him having read them.
*** That's... even ''worse''. So, you adapted a book you don't like into a movie and made it "better" by imposing a plot where there was none and missing the whole point of said book (being, there is no point)? It's like asking [[Zero Punctuation (Web Animation)|Yahtzee]] to make a J-RPG for you.
*** He didn't WRITE the movie, he just directed it. He was working with it from a script as a film.
* So they get [[Christopher Lee]] to voice the Jabberwock(y). He gets two lines (which were thoroughly epic and something out of a fantasy masterpiece)...and then he is promptly struck dumb via tongue removal. Whiskey. Tango. Foxtrot.
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