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* but the flux has to have a vertical limit to it's effect, It's not a planetary effect. and they have multiple computers for calculating reentry and landing vectors, while a [[WW 2]] bomb sight is a downward facing optical lens. you have a base full of computers, pilots, and materials and NO ONE can calculate the drop angle of a cube? or how about a dive from outside the flux field, reaching the tree valley in seconds, giving you time to "unload" before the banshees can react to your arrival? or does the flux affect altimeters and gyroscopes 'somehow'. The mountains have to be relatively stationary or they'd fall once the moved from the magnetic field, so you know where they'd be and could plot around them.
** Considering the fact that it's a moon's magnetic field, the vertical height would go above the maximum height of the helicopters. If you think [[WW 2]] bomb sights were accurate (or that shuttles carry them) then you are honestly being intentionally obtuse. A dive 'in seconds' would turn the shuttle into burning debris not to mention the simple fact that it is not an atmospheric aircraft. It is not designed to make dives, it has no provision for doing anything within one (I doubt someone like you would realise, but in a dive, an aircraft is generally pitched downwards), and if it was attempted, its engine configuration would make one completely unrecoverable.
** No doubt the techies at Hell's Gate crunched the numbers on drop times with some basic physics, but the bomb dropping mechanism is ''two guys pushing a large crate off a ramp''. There's no mechanical precision. And when you consider that, lower altitudes is better since the window of opportunity is much longer in proportion. Additionally, having the Valkyrie do a steep dive and then have those two guys push said crate out of the cargo bay as the craft starts breaking upwards is just wishful thinking.
** Watch the entry the shuttle does from the ISV, a steep decent that slows the craft and ends in a hover above the base. Take that same maneuver and plot it so it ends hovering over the tree. they already break the laws of physics by having the shuttle hold enough fuel to do slow hovering flight 'somehow' given how horribly inefficient vtol aircraft are at that.
*** An atmospheric entry versus a low altitude dive? [[You Fail Physics Forever]]. The transition from orbital flight to hover happens over ''SEVERAL MILES'' at low speed in a clear area. Indeed, the fact that the hover is only at low altitudes perfectly proves your own point, that VTOL is an inefficient mode of travel, being far more effective closer to the ground, and therefore you have completely disproved your own point.
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* My question is more, why didn't they make a deal to dig under the land, but not bother the surface at all? I.E. go "we'll make a facility here, with an entrance to a long tunnel leading under the ground to the deposit we want. We mine underneath, are careful to avoid the roots, and get the minerals we want without bothering you. You can even help us out a bit, if you want and we can figure out a way to pay you.". Sure it might be a little more expensive, but they won't have to deal with kicking out the natives.
** The humans don't have anything that is needed in the first place.
** Shaft mining isn't as pragmatic as strip mining. Especially when your mining equipment comes from a source that is a few light-years away and transportation costs several billion dollars for each piece of equipment.
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* And now to something completely different. How many humans actually left at the end of the movie and how many remained? The official pedia says each ship can carry only 200 people, since it doesn't have cryo pods for more. We have no clue how many soldiers there were in Hell's Gate how many of them survived. Also did all soldiers left or did some remain in order to protect the base from aggressive wildlife? What happens to the mining workers?
** The defences are mostly automated. 200 people would be enough once all/most of the marines died (you can see two going into the shuttle), especially when you consider that all/most of the scientists and avatars stayed.
* All the infrastructure is destroyed or in enemy hands. Meaning the have to start from scratch. But since their equipment including their military equipment is manufactured on Pandora, they are vulnerable after the landing until they build fortifications and heavy weapons. Because the Navi are air mobile, they can communicate information about the humans to all other Navi. Therefore all the Navi should know about the Humans and should know to attack as soon as possible, before they can entrench themselves. (This was not known to the Navi after the first landing) Therefore the second landing has to be as large as possible in order to survive. They need to collect all their spaceships. The ships in transit cant turn around. They have to go to Pandora collect fuel and return to earth. That takes maybe 16.4 years form the end of the movie (4.4 years to learn about the event and stop sending ships plus 2 times 6 years for the transit.). Transporting the new garrison takes 6 years. You would not want to take no mining equipment, because that means you have less military stuff. Therefore another 12 years before any miners show up on Pandora. And another 6 years to return the first ore to earth. That are 40.4 years from the end of the film to make any new profit simply due to travel time. And I did not calculate any delays in orbit. Add some point RDA is going to go bankrupt, there will be government hearings and protesting environmentalist delaying the whole thing further. At any point during all this some guy in a shed might develop an alternative to Unobtainium or the Navi might manage to overrun the garrison. This would mean I would lose my investment. Personally I rather Invest in superconductor research.
** Also, each ISV has two shuttles and cargo capacity similar to maybe an An-225. That means that even if you somehow took fully assembled equipment from Earth, you'd have maybe 12-14 ampsuits OR 2 scorpions, with two shuttles to bring them down (and assemble them on the ground) - if they somehow safely land somewhere with no cover, no protection, no equipment. Going near Hell's Gate will get them blown out of the air even before the Na'vi could destroy the shuttle, and the scientists can starve the [[IS Vs]] of the fuel they need to return if they want.
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** Or American cultural dominance succeded beyond anyone's wildest fears/expectations/hopes.
* All this can be inferred from the few people with actual speaking parts?
** Its not just that there are no asian appearing people nor anyone who is clearly of any ethnicity other than a few tokens.
*** Based on the few non-main characters that actually DO appear? Not to mention that they are the ones employed by an AMERICAN company.
** We don't know that for sure. However, seeing as how in the Avatar-verse most of Earth's nations are bankrupt and run by mega-corporations like the RDA, and that the US historically has been a leader in commerce and space exploration, it's likely that most of the humans on Pandora could have been American.
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**** Wow. Hilarious post, 1st Reply. First you go from "Humans aren't allowed on Pandora unless the Na'Vi allow them," which rings distinctly of the git-'r-done xenophobia that one would think you'd oppose, and then you outright say "You're probably American, and thus are a thieving, genocidal monster." Trying to have your cake and eat it, are we? Besides, could you show me where, for instance, ''all'' the Marines are shown to be the [[Sociopathic Soldier]] stereotype you claim them to be?
***** Nobody said humans weren't allowed on Pandora, just that if they are there, then they have to abide by conditions the Na'vi give them, the same as anywhere on Earth within humans (you're not the first marine fan with that double standard). I already said that I stereotyped you there (but for the record, you certainly project the stereotypical image). As for all the marines, even today then if someone is ordered to commit a war crime, they are supposed to refuse (but often don't).
** Seeing how those aliens weren't humans I fail to see where they committed any war crimes since I haven't heard anything about alien being included in the Geneva convention.
*** Which would be a prime example of obeying the letter and utterly ignoring the intent of the convention.
*** I'm pretty sure that the Geneva convention wasn't built to translate to conflict with aliens. There's a reason it had to be signed by various world nations. Signing it was an indicator that you were going to follow it, and that you would in turn be treated by its standards. Doing the latter when your foe is decidedly not doing the former is entirely up to the discrepancy of the faction in question.
**** Considering that everyone does abide by it, then an extension to sentient beings in general is highly plausible, and indeed, yet again you ignore the entire contract that allows the RDA to be there in the first place - there are international agreements against space military even today. Again, not only is it ignoring the entire purpose, but they are on someone else's home, so they are bound by whatever conditions they want to set on them.
* Death is death, doesn't really matter how you die. Also, those same human soldiers were involved in killing Na'vi and destroying their home.
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