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== Shared Universe ==

 

== Avatar takes place in the Watchmen Universe ==

* That also explains why all the animals look sort of similar to animals on Earth. But there's no reason why Dr. Manhattan would head for the closest life-supporting planet/moon to Earth, since space means nothing to him.

* Also explains why the Na'vi are blue.

== Avatar is set in the same universe as Aliens. And, by extension, Predator ==

* It seems quite obvious - human empire, giant faceless corporation only in it for the profit, giant stompy robot exo-suits, same director, same actor, explicit marines who conduct actions in much the same style - it seems likely that Avatar is set in a different time period, however - probably later on, would be my guess - the powerloader is after all, noticeably less sophisticated than the AMP suits.

*** The trip to Pandora takes several years, so even if it's in a fairly close system at a distance of 4.7 lightyears the trip isn't going to be conventional sublight. Still places it at a cruder tech level, but Aliens does still use cryo for long distance FTL.

** Which would mean, Pandora is really a Predator made hunting ground.

*** Pandora is the Predator homeworld. They just have an agreement with the Na'vi that their two civilizations stay out of each others way.

** I don't know, but it aint Pandora. No biological similarities to anything we've seen. Assuming they evolved naturally we know their planet has abundant large animals to infect since their reproduction is limited by their hosts, and that there are things that are badass enough to try to eat them since they have the eats-anything acidic blood. Maybe the planet the Cloverfield beast was from?

*** Well we can't assume we saw all of Pandora in the movie. The bits we did see are enough to show that it's not a [[Single Biome Planet]]. Who knows what kind of nasty stuff lives beyond the range a Banshee can fly. Certainly it would be the kind of place the Na'vi would never go to (or even talk about) both because the Xenos themselves are dangerous, but also because you would tend to find Yautja living near their hives. If the Xenomorphs did come from Pandora, it's likely that there are natural predators to keep them in equilibrium with the environment. Or (as another troper suggested) perhaps Eywa's presence mellows them out to just normal predatory insect levels of aggression.

 

== Avatar is the future of the [[Metal Gear]] universe ==

* Are you sure they're not still building [[Colonel Badass|super-soldiers?]]

** Add the fact that Colonel Quaritch is a dead ringer for Revolver Ocelot...Don't believe me? [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxRL0gTFJEU This]. Add long hair and a [[Badass Longcoat]] and that's him to a T.

** Or how about this, the Prawns already know about the Na'vi during the events of District 9 and treat them as a martial race during their punitive expedition/rescue mission to earth. This is why earth is a [[Crapsack World]], humans know about Pandora and it gives them more time to study Na'vi and create Avatars before they even go to Pandora.

 

Note: Not just an expanded version of the "District 9 is a prequel of Avatar" guess above.

 

They look too similar for it to be a lie.

 

2154: Humans get kicked of Pandora. They go to different planets that can support humans, setting up colonies, and start prospering. Also, the UNSC is formed, between 2160 and 2164, to prevent disasters like Pandora, and to clean up Earth.

2291: Shaw-Fujikawa Drive developed, allowing slipspace traveling, so stuff doesn't cost billions of dollars to ship.

Skip to 2525: First contact with an alien species since the Na'vi is found. Humans attempt to make peaceful communications, but everything goes to hell. Shortly thereafter, the human campaign to wipe out the aliens, that call themselves the "Covenant", begins, remembering Pandora, with the reasoning, "If we don't destroy them fast, they'll destroy us." Heightened with the discovery that Covenant tech is so much more advanced.

Other interesting similarities include:

* Calling enemy flying craft Banshees.

* As mentioned, the AMP Suits look suspiciously like ancestors of the Mjolnir armor.

* Add a [[Predator]] or three and you've got ''the'' [[Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny]] in your hands.

*** That Idea is not at all helped by the fact that Aliens and Terminator are both also from [[James Cameron]]. I don't know about Predator, but it gets crossovered with the other two Cameron films, so why not.

** Ripley had a daughter, so this is entirely feasable.

*** Original troper here. I actually checked [[The Other Wiki]]'s entries for ''Aliens'' and Ellen Ripley. It won't be the daughter, since the names and dates (Amanda Ripley McClaren, 2113-2195; ''Avatar'''s in 2154) don't fit, but other relatives should be fair game here.

 

The transcendent victory makes this just about possible, both the game and the movie involve an inhospitable [[Genius Loci]] as the main location. Humanity rebuilt from the ashes back on earth and went looking for stuff, finding "Pandora."

** Or perhaps Pandora is one of the lost Progenitor Manifolds.

** Pandora is definitely Planet. I don't care how pretty it all is, the trees form a possibly-sentient neural network, and those tendrils from the roots at the Tree of Souls are absolutely definitely goddamn MIND WORMS. But they never got to Transcendence; it's too soon, for a start. A colony ship from Earth reached Planet about a century ago, just as the ecosystem on Earth went into a collapse. The last signals from the ship indicated the death of the captain and anarchy among the crew. The surviving colonists split into their separate factions and settled the surface of Planet, building up a small sustainable colony and introducing Earth biodiversity to the ecosystem previously based entirely around fungus. They were engulfed by the xenofungus growth phase long before they could achieve the Ascent to Transcendence, but in its short lifespan the godlike Planetmind was able to assimilate the more diverse Earth lifeforms it found within the ruins of the Xenoempathy Dome at Gaia's Landing and adapt them to its toxic atmosphere, its fungal ecology and its planetary neural network. It made the best of what it found, it did what it could without the guidance of the humans' knowledge that the Voice of Planet project might have given it. Post growth-dream, Planet looks very different; hugely enlarged Earthlike trees form the nodes of the neural network, with fungus throughout their structure. Animal life has also been remodelled into forms far more sophisticated than the primitive mindworm boils and locust swarms of Planet's previous cycle, and the humans themselves have been... altered. All can now link into the planetary neural nets at the great tree nodes, and into each other. Planet, now Pandora, is working towards using the formerly human Na'vi to achieve true sentience and avoid the dieback of the growth cycle next time around. Meanwhile, Earth civilisation has rebuilt itself, written off its last expedition as lost in space, and launched more ships to scout the planet they found...

* Oh, and watching the battle at the end, where the animals wipe out all that glorious hardware? Now I know how those filthy worms destroyed all the University of Planet's recon rovers, there at the end after the Planetbuster wars, when the factions lay in ruins and the fungal towers were sprouting everywhere... That species will be exterminated. I tell you. EXTERMINATED.

* Trudy (the Scorpion pilot) is Corazon Santiago. Similar looks, same spirit.

 

The Na'Vi have the same [[Noodle People]]-esque proportions as the Evas. Somewhere on Earth:

 

The Na'vi are practically naked. Their "goddess" is pale and glowing, and she allows sentient beings to share experiences and create close bonds even between species. Gendo Ikari wanted desperately to make a way for this to happen without turning everything into Tang; on this world, he got it mostly right.

By extension, the Na'vi are so pure because of their natural ability to connect with this collective spirit, which gives them insight and understanding of all living things.

* Isn't this [[Canon]]?

* This is canon.

 

Floating rocks, flying mounts, weird alien wildlife that would fit right at home in Zangarmarsh, [[Unobtainium]] (if you think that sounds silly, check the names of the metals actually found in Outland), and a race of tall blue-skinned humanoids with tails. The Na'vi are draenei, devolved to simple shamanistic traditions but in a different way than the Broken and Lost Ones. Obviously before the planet exploded, and presumably even before the orc warlocks turned Draenor into a [[Crapsack World]].

 

That's right, two of the most fickle, [[Corrupt Corporate Executive|bureaucratic]] and downright ugly alien races of all time (which make RDA look like a noble alien rights group by comparison) are duking it out for the rights to squander the planet of the Smurf People. The Psychlos arrive first, just in time to snag the retreating humans before they can depart for Earth, intending to use them as slave labor when they purge Pandora of all its precious Unobtanium. However, before they can start their attack, the Vogons arrive with the intention of vaporizing the planet to make way for yet another intergalactic expressway. Naturally, the two species come to blows, with Terl of the Psychlos ranting about how, when the Vogons were merely learning how to ''spell their names'', he was being trained to ''conquer galaxies!'' The Vogons respond with the assertion that they did not come halfway across the galaxy to be delayed by dreadlocked blowhards, and threaten to read their poetry to the Psychlos. Meanwhile, Jake and Co. are living peacefully on Pandora, completely oblivious to the coming chaos about to ravage their world. ''Who will win?''

** "Bloody apathetic Psychlos. I've no sympathy at all."

** However, according to [[The Movie]], most Vogons ''can't'' spell at all... perhaps a defence against the Psychlos?

 

** Maybe but the only one running around shouting "HEY! LISTEN!" is Jake who isn't native.

* And "I see you" comes from "Hey, listen".

* No. Besides, they're not NEARLY as annoying as that bloody fairy.

 

Ancient, highly mystical race with powers far beyond human norm: check. Improvised attempt to make a human (who is completely unprepared) more like them? Check. Jungle planets? Check. Amoral human leader, possibly nuts off his rocker? Check. (Mind you, Avatar is still missing the Zerg and the [[Melee a Trois|inevitable three-way battle]], but then DTS is a trilogy. Give it time.)

 

 

== Pandora was created by the Na'vi ==

** This is on a small moon, orbiting a gas giant in the Alpha Centauri system. We don't have telescopes with the resolution to do any kind of spectrographic analysis of planets that far out. We wouldn't even be able to determine the gas giant's make up, and that is probably at least the size of Saturn. The best we could do is guess based on the makeup of the star it's orbiting.

 

== Unobtainium? Well, the rest of the galaxy knows it as [[Mass Effect|Element Zero]]. ==

* Pandora is humanity's dark little secret, although the Citadel Council know of its existence. It's in a solar system without any Mass Relay nearby, but it contain fuckload of eezo, which explain the floating mountains: they float because of the mass effect. Furthermore, it's considered as a garden world by the Council rules, explaining why no one ever try of nuke cleaning the place (that would be illegal).

** Does the fact that a Mass Effect 2 theatrical trailer was shown in the showing this troper has just seen change this? It just confirms it for this troper.

** (Writes down) Great Fanfic fodder.

*** Ewya is really Harbinger, how else can it '''Asumming direct control!''' the wild life.

**** A plant-based planet-wide consciousness that can mentally control and manipulate all forms of organic life? Eywa is the same species as the Thorian! Possibly its [[Evil Twin|Good Twin]]. And the Na'vi are its (far less disturbing) equivalent to Creepers.

 

== Eywa is [[The Silmarillion|Yavanna Kementari]]. ==

 

 

* The "Unobtainium" is really Wraithbone and the Na'vi are just some Eldar school kid's class project.

** There are two options. First: The Unobtainium is Wraithbone. Eywa is clearly Infinity Circuit. Na'Vi are an Exodite Eldar tribe, but look different because of [[Unreliable Narrator]] or [[Hand Wave|something]]. Humans are actually lucky their ass is handed to them by the planet itself, because if it failed, Biel-Tan would come and sweep them. Second: It's a Maiden World. More possible than the first option, since, you know, it's third millenium, not fourtieth.

 

== Eywa is mind controlling the entire Pandoran biosphere for some reason. ==

So really, theres no surprise that you cant find a single descenting voice among the people. They were all killed off and bred out long ago.

 

Pandora is an early Edenist bitek experiment in spherical, moon-sized habitats. For various reasons though, it still must orbit a gas giant like all habitats. It's a classified project and the Adamist humans of Earth's Govcentral know nothing about it. All the seemingly native species, including the Na'vi, are either heavily geneered specimens from other Confederation worlds, or bitek constructs. Eywa is the habitat personality, and for whatever reason the natives weren't engineered with wireless affinity, insteading needing to hardwire into the each other or the habitat's neural strata.

 

Earth was established by Nurgle according to principals of non-interference with the growth of life, and by the time of the film, it shows - a single, voracious organism has spread over the planet's entire surface, consuming all other life in its quest for growth and producing a broad variety of toxins and cancerous buildups as a consequence of its existence. The main colors associated with it at this point are gray and light green, and as a signature, microbial disease runs rampant. Pandora, meanwhile, was the pet project of Tzeentch, being turned into a very complex, but also very well-organized, garden of organic life. True to form, Pandora displays a wide variety of colors, but particularly blue, and most disease is clamped down on by ad-hoc countervirals. The native sentients also refer frequently to "sight" or "the eye" as important spiritual aspects of their deity. The conflict almost ends in favor of Nurgle, with the dying species of Earth falling back on the overwhelming weight of their growth, but as usual, [[The Chessmaster|Tzeentch made sure to keep something special up his sleeve]].

 

== Quaritch's [[Misaimed Fandom]] is in for a rude awakening in [[The Sequel]]. ==

Quaritch, despite being a father to his men, is a psychopath who got kicked out of the legitimate military's of Earth. The RDA hired him to get him out of the US Military's, British Military's, etc. hair and given him the perfect area where he'd either die or be able to vent his psychopathic tendencies. We'll see Quaritch's old superiors in [[The Sequel]] arriving on Pandora for a mopping up operation, and see HOW MUCH he screwed the pooch.

 

== The Na'vi are an [[Gurren Lagann|Anti-Spiral Race.]] ==

Let's analyze this for a second. They're xenophobic to the point of considering other civilisations insane (compare: "My daughter will teach you our ways. Learn well, Jakesully. We will see if your insanity can be cured" vs. "That's just the path that leads to extinction! Why do you not see the pathetic limitations of the Spiral Race?"), they hate progress, change and development in technology, they answer to a planet-wide collective intelligence, they can merge their conciousness with that of other organisms native to Pandora, their evolutionary ancestors are still around, so they could have cut off their evolution, they apparently have a method of birth control - why would a primitive race need birth control, if not as an early way to prevent Spiral Nemesis before deciding to seal off their Spiral Energy?, they use terrorism and scare tactics...hmm...

 

 

* Alternatively, Quaritch ''is'' Lord Genome. Note that they're both muscular, [[Ambiguously Brown]] [[Rated "M" for Manly|manly]] badasses who pilot mecha and have survived being on (self-inflicted, in Genome's case) fire. He managed to survive his impalement (which is backed up by his actor, and Lord Genome has been through worse) through his sheer reserves of Spiral Energy, but was taken back to Earth, where he, realising how powerful the Anti-Spirals were and how they responded to Earth's conditions, decided that the only way to save Earth from an Anti-Spiral attack from some of the more developed Anti-Spirals was to force everyone underground and establish himself as sole ruler of the surface, making sure to keep the population low enough to not trigger the Anti-Spirals' ire. Since his mastery of Spiral Energy made him immortal, his scars faded from a combination of old age and Spiral Energy, and somewhere along the line he shaved his head and grew a beard. RDA didn't let him bring the Lazengann to Pandora because it wasn't theirs, but if he did, he'd probably have won.

 

The entire biosphere effectively is an organic version of cloud computing, and someone is still trying to find out what question "42" answers. The introduction of humans has, of course, thrown a spanner in the works, just as happened on Earth, but as the program may have run a good deal longer, the correct question might still be able to form.

** Alternately, Pandora ''is'' the Earth Mark 2, just with some upgrades thrown in. (the original Earth was reinstated by the dolphins, keep in mind.) It's quite likely their version of Africa is full of fjords and a sculpture of Slartibartfast.

Specifically, the "Aisha", a cat-like critter whose long antanne looks a lot like the wild animals' "ports".

 

Look at the helicopter gunships and tell me those aren't Banshees from Starcraft II.

** Technonarrator agrees, as he personally thought that the [[AM Ps]] share similarities with the terran marines.....downsize them, add armor....theres already a biofeedback thing going on there so the heavy armor wont be a problem.... Though Banshees don't have AA capabilities.

*** So, are the Mech suits cheaper, lighter versions of Thors (Or a more expensive Marauder)?

**** Neither. They're old Goliaths, before they decided to mount the autocannon and add on missiles.

** Also, the Zerg developed their creatures by taking local wildlife and mutating them. Since Pandora has so many dangerous creatures, they went there for a lot of them and that's why so many of the Zerg troops look like Pandora wildlife(and also wildlife found in Starcraft). Furthermore, Eywa is like a primitive Overmind.

** The human military stuff resemble prototypes of Terran forces. Human soldiers are Marines, Mechs are Goliaths, those fighters/transports are Valkyrie/transport hybrids that were later split into two different ships, etc.

 

== Unobtanium is naquadah ==

See, the SGC needs more naquadah after having depleted every source in this galaxy (they can't go to Pegasus because of a similar problem on Atlantis or to the Asgard's galaxy), so they set their sights on Alpha Centauri. They send off the RDA with military assistance and task them with getting the "unobtanium". The reason why they prohibited nukes is because they know it'd just set off the naquadah and destroy they only chance of obtaining it.

* And the RDA is actually named after Richard Dean Anderson.

An intelligent being residing in a far-flung data network who can pull someone's intelligence out of one body and put it into a new one?

 

After the earth has been ruined but just before BNL completed the star-liners. After RDA's bad behavior reaches earth, everyone chooses the star-liners and RDA ceases to exist. Being kicked out by the Na'Vi causes the Earthicans to consider allowing their own planet to heal before invading other worlds again. Hell Gate doesn't have any of those nifty robots, uh, just because RDA isn't BNL and they probably would've been jerks to their robots anyway.

* Actually, the robodozers used by RDA seem to have more than a passing resemblance to the WALL-class robots...

 

== The Company in Avatar is the same as The Company in [[Aliens]] ==

** Or, Weyland-Yutani is RDA's parent corporation.

** And Grace is Ripley's clone?

 

== Pandora/Eywa is the collective spirit(s) of spacefaring [[The Lord of the Rings|Entwives]] ==

 

== [[Iron Man|Tony Stark]] will be zapped to the future by events in the Avengers movie, and decide to rebuild the Earth. ==

 

== RDA grew to be incredibly powerful due to a possible merger with [[The Dark Knight|Wayne Enterprises]] somewhere down the line. ==

According to the Avatar wiki, the RDA is ''the largest single non-governmental organization in human space. Its power is such that it outmatches most Earth governments in wealth, political influence, and military capability. The RDA has monopoly rights to all products shipped, derived, or developed from Pandora and any other off-Earth location.'' Wayne Industries was also a powerful conglomerant, possibly amongst the most, which also dabbled in military technology. At some point, whoever Bruce might've left in charge of his company might have decided to merge with the existing RDA to help strengthen it and help it expand with their resources.

 

 

== Quaritch is a [[Doctor Who|Time Lord]] ==

* Oh, god, that's hilarious. I can just imagine Neytiri or Jake picking him up by the scruff of the neck and going, "What ARE you?"

 

In Avatar, humans [[What Do You Mean It's Not Heinous?|value their own survival more than that of aliens]], In the grim dark future, this will have progressed to outright genocidal madness (because they were almost driven to extinction without [[Unobtainium]] because of aliens).

 

The animals of Pandora, usually maintained by Eywa, will find themselves neglected, and in her/his absence, develop their own [[Hive Mind]]. Almost all of them being predatory, the soul focus of their [[Hive Mind]] becomes hunger. After literally devouring the planet, they take to the stars, and become the Tyranids.

 

== Halo tiem ==

The colonel's genetically modified clone clone shall return, in green power armor. We salute you Master Chief Petty Officer Quaritch.

 

== The Na'vi are not native to Pandora. ==

 

== Pandora is somehow a future Earth. ==

== Pandora was created by a race of [[Precursors]] ==

* The Unobtainium is used to power the [[Genius Loci]], and if their is a real need (for instance if the [[Gaia's Vengeance]] failed, Pandora's [[Superweapon Surprise]] would activate and kill all the invaders

 

== The Na'vi are descendants of a profoundly powerful genetic engineering empire. Eywa is the planet-wide AI who now runs the show. ==

** You mean Eywa is ''GLaDOS''?

** Considering that the Na'vi were an alien race, and considering that our only knowledge of their culture is filtered through the language they were taught (and the cultural preconceptions of their teacher) they could be fully aware that they are a genetically engineered post Singularity species. No AI mucky muck required.

 

He might ''be'' Blue Jupiter, keeping an eye on his creations.

 

 

== Eywa and the habitat of Pandora was build by the Na'vi ancestors along ago as giant computer and utopia complex much like Earth had built a mega city with the same intent. It was so long ago however that the Na'vi past has been romantized and altered into what it is now along with the Na'vi slowly forgetting the truth. ==

 

== The Na'vi are Eywa's [[Designer Babies]] ==

 

== All of the Na'vi are Avatars. ==

== We are the na'vi. (We migrated to Pandora and well...) ==

Look at them. Minus the tail, braid, height, and skin, we're [[Not So Different]]. We can look nearly the same.

 

== Pandora was created by [[Precursors]] to [[Evilutionary Biologist|Conquer]] [[Meaningful Name|The]] [[Dune|Universe]] ==

Her plans hit a snag when humans came to Pandora. Here was a sentient species with technology to reach the stars and the science to figure out what she really is. These people obviously had to be gotten rid of before they could spill the big secret to the Na'vi. But she had to do it in such a way that no curious Na'vi would consider talking to or learning from the humans should they return, which ruled out a simple [[Zerg Rush]] of wildlife (which would also have risked the humans attacking from orbit).

 

 

Eywa, in her role as Na'vi goddess, tells her people to be as uncooperative as possible. She has them spurn all offers of technology or science, and tells them to ignore the desperate need the humans have for the stuff that they're sitting on. As per her orders, some engage in low-level guerrilla warfare (such as the arrows on the truck tires). They expel the school from their village, which raises tension.

 

 

 

Then, to ensure that all the tribes of Na'vi remember the humans only as bringers of death, she gave Jake the Toruk to gain power over them. He led them into battle, where the humans' superior technology easily slaughters them. Eywa wanted this. She needed plenty of death to get the Na'vi to hate and distrust humans forever after.

After she judged the slaughter to be sufficient, she commanded her mindless herd of slave-beasts to charge and overwhelm the humans. She could have done ''that'' at any time.

 

 

* ...That is awesome.

* Amusingly, this great entry not as much ''challenges'' the Avatar plot, but rather places a matrix of a realistic conflict over it. Think, every faction in every war had perfectly good reasons to fight (only in the last few centuries anyone even expressed the doubt that war wasn't just a honorable job for males). If you read into literature concerning real-life conflicts, you'll find that from the ideological standpoint the factions were opposed, but from utilitarian perspective they'd just pursue their practical agenda (not to be confused with conscious war-mongering for profit). So a spiritual, good-willing nation can be described as striving for living space and resources (and it really is, if just to remain a nation); and a vile, chauvinist, expansionist one can be described as maintaining its security (because «lesser» nations are theoretically able to become more advanced and challenge it etc.).

** The basic plot is pretty realistic already, unfortunately. "Advanced civilization first-world tries to trample over smaller, less advanced one to get at some resource, after a few half-measure attempts at diplomacy." There are tons of examples.

* Why, why, WHY is this not the 'official' position? This is brilliant man. Just brilliant.

* As a corollary to the above: why does this theory make Eywa evil? Ok, so she's the mastermind behind the whole planet and movie, but why is this a bad thing? From what we've seen, humans sticking their scientificy noses into happy spiritual business never ends well. Maybe Eywa knew that in the long run keeping the Na'vi in technological stasis would maintain the lush utopia we see on Pandora. Let spiritual catpeople pray.

** They're not xenophobic. There's a long history of bad relations with humanity which, in general, doesn't have any respect for ''them'' either.

* This should totally be explored in the sequel, with Jake Sully attempting to [[Rage Against the Heavens|Rage Against the Rainforest]] in response.

* This makes sense especially if one has seen [[Blue Gender]]. Plus these lines from ''[[Babylon 5]]'' explain why staying like the Na'vi is a bad thing.

Cmdr. Sinclair: No. We have to stay here. And there's a simple reason why. Ask ten different scientists about the environment, population control, genetics, and you'll get ten different answers, but there's one thing every scientist on the planet agrees on. Whether it happens in a hundred years or a thousand years or a million years, eventually our Sun will grow cold and go out. When that happens, it won't just take us. It'll take Marilyn Monroe, and Lao-Tzu, and Einstein, and Morobuto, and Buddy Holly, and Aristophanes, and - all of this - all of this - was for nothing. Unless we go to the stars. }}

* ... In this troper's mind, this WMG is canon.

* ...except that it's based on multiple misconceptions (such as claims of direct communication, or lack of free will)

* I stupidly added just one more variation of this interpretation, except now the Na'vi and Eywa are essentially the Yuuzan-Vong/EYWA IS THE OVERMIND. It's sitting at the bottom of the discussion of the Avatar Just Bugs Me page.

** Actually, it was a time of great sorrow, which is fairly nonspecific. Inter-clan conflicts were more likely on a small scale, since there is very little for them to even be over (lack of scarcity or overpopulation, primarily). Ascribing human motivation to a very different people just doesn't work.

 

 

== Eywa is an [[Eldritch Abomination]] in the form of a planet. ==

 

== Eywa is serving as a central power grid to the Na'vi, much like the sun to us. ==

 

== Eywa has been making Pandora into [[Dune|Arrakis]] ==

 

The biosphere of Pandora is a single organism, and it wants to reproduce. In layman's terms, it wants to conquer the universe.

== Pandora is the Internet ==

Self-explanatory. Also, Eywa is the server.

** Your link wins the internet. Forever.

 

== What's gonna be in the (nigh-inevitable, given the critical acclaim) sequel? ==

I've got a couple of insane suggestions:

** My money's on this one.

** If this happens, I bet ten bucks that any humans that survive will all be transferred into Na'Vi or Avatar bodies.

 

** No One remembers [[Battle for Terra]] right?

 

* ''Sprout Of Life''. The Navi's, guided by Jake and his human pals (including {{spoiler|Grace's spirit}}), build a spaceship and travel to Earth, driven by a desire to Pandora-morph it and thus restore its ruined ecology. They establish an outpost in a remote corner of the world and use Avatar technology to create human replicas of themselves. Could be used in conjunction with the first option.

** The journey is set off by someone finding a copy of ''Planet Earth'' (US version) in Hell Gate. It's like Dr. Grace is telling them to de-crapsack-ify the planet from beyond!

** What a tweest!

** Even better, Unobtanium is a rare form of slow spreading Tiberium, and the fighting accidentally sets off a liquid-T explosion...

** What about that: Humans return to Pandora but are forced to leave as what is practically the self-destruction of a whole moon sets in. All life on Pandora, including Jake, dies a slow and creeping death (sorry, I don`t really like the movie).

* People, people, you're forgetting there's other moons around Blue Jupiter with life on 'em, and Cameron's stated the reason they exist is for sequel fodder. The question is, who'd go to those moons and why?

** Jake (now Jaysulli) and the other Avatars use a modified shuttle to explore the moons due to Grace's spirit making everyone curious. Maybe the Na'Vi already have a ''[[Gummi Bears]]''-style light Morse-code style of communication with the ones that face Pandora.

** The same time as the movie on another, unobtanium and sapient-species-free moon with a friendlier atmosphere, a colony of humans is forced to absorb the injured and really pissed-off marines from Pandora and.... um, I got nothing.

** You can't be talking about Predators or Xenomorphs. No effing way.

*** [[Cool vs. Awesome|Oh,]] [[Just Here for Godzilla|hell yeah.]]

*** '''Spanish''': The Spanish simply try to use the Na'vi as native labor to collect unobtainium (''hacienda system''). I remember reading that this was an idea in the Project 880 draft. Like the Chinese, they would probably would use genocidal policies.

*** '''French''': The French would send settlers over to colonize strategic areas (''Quebec, Acadia, Louisiana''), with only miners, explorers (''voyageurs and coureurs des bois'') and researchers (''missionaries'') travelling into the hinterland. They would probably treat the Na'vi the most friendly like how the French treated the American Indians. Heck, the Na'vi might even ''ally'' with them.

**** ''For an anti-Japanese POV'': They would probably take their lands and kill them all like [[Imperial Japan]] (seeing the infamous Nanking Massacre).

**** ''For a pro-Japanese POV'': Corporate businesses will invest with unobtainium and would have little interest with the Na'vi. The Japanese would probably be the most tolerant of the Asian nations when dealing with the Na'vi and would even be willing to establish cultural exchange with them. [[Truth In Televsion]], while Japan isn't really multicutural as per say, there are some young Japanese who have taken interests in different foreign subcultures, particularly [[wikipedia:Japanese hip hop|African-American music]] according to [[The Other Wiki]].

**** As an Aussie, I can honestly say I would prefer to live on a planet that has giant panther things then one that has all the evil shit Aus has.

***** I'd have to disagree on the American idea you had. We've had quite a bit of a collective character development about that sort of thing. At worst we'd try a nicer version of what rda started with and keep it that way. Also, we have enogh military force to take over at least 2/3 of the other earth colonies.

* The Na'Vi will gain the ability to control the unobtainium from the native animals, using movements that appear to be based on forms of martial arts. Without anything to name this new ability, they will be forced to call it Bending. Then Bryke can threaten to sue James's Cameron's ass.

* From fake trailer maker Blood Runs Clear, we get [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-LcCHYuFMI this.]

* Another possibility - going with the idea that a race of Precursors deliberately created Pandora, perhaps the Precursors were very similar to humanity in what they did to their home system, and Pandora was and is an ongoing experiment in balancing an ecology with a native, sentient species, the second movie involves the human return to Pandora, but things get complicated when the Precursors return and show a third side to the largely binary human/Na'vi conflict, perhaps working towards a goal of changing ''both'' races' attitudes - humans to soften and become more eco-aware and friendly, but also the Na'vi to become more technologically inventive and curious about how and why the world works.

* ''Use the force, Jake...''

 

Because Heavy vs. Na'vi '''needs to happen.'''

 

== Quaritch will return in one of the sequels ==

* who'd drive Quaritch's avatar?

** His next of kin, who will look suspiciously like [[Aliens|Michael]] [[Terminator|Biehn]].

* He'll come back leading an army of Red Dog people, the natural enemy of the Na'vi

** He's gonna be a 12-foot-tall [[Final Fantasy|Red XIII]]?! <ref>I know he's not a dog but the Na'Vi aren't cats, they're monkeys/lemurs and despite what you seen in ''[[The Lion King]]'' lions ''hate'' monkeys.</ref>

It will have a quote along the lines of

* [[Hello]]

 

== Somewhere in the sequels, Earth will have a [[Apocalypse How|Class 3]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79XKeJtY63E Terminator 3-style ending] ==

 

*** I challenge you to read the chapter with the [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upHOVfgYG_A T3 ending music playing]. If this is not at least a partial [[Tear Jerker]] for you, you are a ''soulless, misanthropic, genocidal, suicidal, extremely depressed na'vi.''

**** Waitaminnit. The humans killed a few hundred Na'vi. Eywa retaliates by ''wiping out all life on Earth.'' And this is even after Earth stops sending ships to Pandora. [[Disproportionate Retribution]] much? The real kicker? Eywa has decided that it's time to reach for the stars. That's right, the Na'vi are going to take this show on the road! Anybody get the feeling that any alien culture they come across is going to get "an offer they can't refuse?" If this isn't proof that Eywa is actually a time-shifted [[System Shock|Shodan]], I don't know what is.

**** Two words: Palulukan Sensei. RAEG does not even begin to describe my reaction.

**** As a side note, anyone find it ironic that the Na'vi develop spaceships and computers, albeit organic-based in construction? And through the Avatars intermingling with the Na'vi population, the genepool of Pandora's dominant species now contains human DNA? As much as the main character wanted to wipe out the tawtute to protect Pandora, the tawtute end up forever influencing and altering Na'vi culture from the moment the two species first met. I mean, until the humans cruised by in their [[IS Vs]], the Na'vi had no concern about the stars beyond "As long as they stay lit, we're cool." I suspect this may have been a gambit on Gaia's part to spread her existence beyond Earth by infiltrating Eywa's infrastructure, piece by piece, until the main character joins her ancestors and completes the process, overwriting Eywa's conscience and leaving Gaia in charge of a new world with amazing terraforming capabilities...one with interstellar capabilities. And it all started with Quaritch as her pawn...

== In the 3rd movie we see a different use for the avatar technology ==

 

 

== Miscellaneous ==

 

== The Na'Vi have/will have "Bogeyman" tales of Skypeople who returned from the dead ==

* It's not guaranteed they will or won't die, but it could still be enough to kill them. Don't assume the Na'vi are stupid though, you could EASILY argue they are more intelligent than humans. They know what avatars are, if not the exact detail of their functioning.

** Plus, it takes years and billions of dollars to grow a new Avatar. I get the feeling that the company wouldn't throw good money after bad to replace one that a reckless driver wrecked.

 

== The Valkyrie at the end of the movie isn't going anywhere. Its coming back. ==

* The ISV hasn't left yet, of course. The loiter time around Earth and Pandora is around one year, for maintenance, refueling, unloaidng and loading of cargo and passengers. A shuttle can not survive in space for 9 months anyway, especially not with 200 humans on board.

 

 

== James Cameron actually has the technology to turn people into Avatars. ==

* That... is awesome. Sign me up, please.

 

** Pandora orbits around a gas gient slightly smaller than Jupiter. Extended night and day cycles are expected. The markings are used for identification between individuals, rudimentary communication in some animals, and ironically allow an organism to blend in better at night than a dark shape against everything else being bioluminescent.

 

** That was a 'time of great sorrow' actually ( [[Lost in Translation]] to a foreign language version maybe? ). The mountains float due to containing unobtainium (superconductors float on magnetic fields, Pandora's being several tims stronger than Earth's). This effect is observable with low-temperature superconductors on Earth today.

 

== Humans ''are'' still allowed on Pandora, so long as they are National Geographic types ==

* Look at the end: who's getting walked away to go back to the Sol System? The Military and Corporate people. Who's allowed to stay? The Scientists and Anthropology types. Clearly Humanity will be allowed to keep at least a small cultural/science post on Pandora. Expect such a station to be used in plenty of [[Fanfic|Fan Fics]] ("[[The Nth Doctor]] arrives at the last Human station on Pandora!")

*** Which would be all the aforementioned Scientists and Anthropology types.

 

== It's all a computer simulation! ==

All of it. ALL OF IT. Made by the usual suspects.

 

== There is a Jarhead Clan somewhere on Pandora, albeit with a different spelling ==

** Meta-WMG: Jakesulley will father the Jarhead Clan. Either as an offshoot of Omaticaya, or through renaming.

 

== ''Avatar'' is an allegory for [[World of Warcraft]] / MMORPGs. ==

All credit goes to the troper who originally wrote it. This was deleted from the [[Alternative Character Interpretation]] example on the film's page, but it's too interesting to ignore especially in light of the fact that Cameron's first idea for a tie-in videogame was an ''Enter [[The Matrix]]''-style MMORPG (there wasn't enough time or money). If I recall that troper's idea correctly, Jake is a newbie player to an MMORPG, let's call it "Pandora" (not to be confused with the movie ''Pandor'''um'''''). By good luck he lands in one of the best guilds (the Na'Vi), who are nice enough to guide him through the game and beef him up a bit so that [[Everything Trying to Kill You|everything doesn't kill him]]. While his video game avatar (har) is thriving, his [[Real Life]] body begins to suffer: his sleep schedule is shot, he's hardly eating, barely keeping track of his personal hygiene, and is [[The Tetris Effect|becoming obsessive to the point of reality blurring]]. Eventually it all comes crashing down on him. Obviously, the flaw in this interpretation is that the Na'Vi and Pandora are very real, and Jake's actions in that world have very real consequences.

** Jake's homework was to either convince the Na'vi to move (which he couldn't until he was fully accepted) or find weaknesses to exploit, but yeah that too: who hasn't had the experience of playing something for hours while thinking "I really, ''really'' have something more important to do... in an hour..."

* Confirmed-ish in a [http://www.docstoc.com/docs/14294813/Avatar-Scriptment-by--James-Cameron "scriptment"] (around pg. 28) where the avatar drivers are described as looking like internet addicts and that one of the many dangers of Pandora for a wilderness-starved avatar driver is "loving it too much" (said scriptment also describes the leopard-things as "more vicious then the [[Alien]]").

* I always thought of it as an allegory for 4chan and the cancer that's killing /b/, with the company being [[Gaia Online]] and unobtanium being memes and all kinds of things.

** You know what? It's not just Grace smoking, this is the entire point of the movie. Funny, before I saw Avatar, I always thought it was a movie about a videogame.

 

== The death of Tom Sully, and Jake's being sent in his place is a [[Xanatos Gambit]] on the part of Quaritch, that [[Gone Horribly Right|went horribly right]]. ==

 

== Quaritch (henceforth "Kernell Ba'Dass" since Na'Vi doesn't have the "ch" sound) will become a [[Memetic Badass]] Bogeyman to all young Na'Vi ==

* The only things that live where he fell are the "Slynths" (those black leopard things) because they're as vicious as he was.

** In fact he killed all but two "Slynths". He would have finished even them if Jake hadn't got in the way.

** By my estimate, that's about as tall as a human can get before it causes health problems that would've gotten him rejected from the Marines in the first place (the world's tallest woman was, at 8' or 9', also the world's tallest disabled person because her body was so heavy she could barely move without causing severe strain on her heart). It's also an echo to ''[[The Hobbit]]'': Bilbo's uncle was so tall (for a Hobbit) that he rode a horse into battle; likewise Bogyman!Quaritch was so tall (comparatively) he could've ridden the Na'Vi's mounts.

*** Which he did, just to see if it was possible to ride one without a bond (it's possible, but only for badasses).

 

== Jake Sully [[Ooh, Me Accent's Slipping|slips between American and Australian accents]] because everyone is an [[Futurama|Earthican]]. ==

* Or even better, the national borders have become a minor formality, or a thing of the past, and two-ways cultural influence between different areas through future Internet and pop-culture ensures that accents are one big mishmash.

 

 

** It probably ''is'' the only way. However, most of those who contemplate it end up thinking better of it...and most of those who get so far as ''trying'' don't live to tell the tale.

* The Toruc ''did'' attack Jake earlier.

* The Toruk/Turok/Toruc/whatever isn't actually that hard to tame. It's just that it's been hyped to insanity by the Na'vi in order to serve as a symbol for the people. Since only someone utterly desperate will attempt to tame it, it ensures that the ability to unite the clans will only be called upon when there is great need. Those who tame it are prevented from revealing the secret because it would undermine their own cause.

*** Not very viable, since we don't know the average lifespan of a Toruk. The previous Toruk Makto was anywhere between 100 to 175 years in the past (''grandfather's grandfather'', and depends on average conceiving age for Na'vi) to Jake's encounter. And back on topic: considering how the Na'vi wrestle the banshees to submission during their rite of passage, it's likely they simply have culture glasses that make them view the only way to connect with a Toruk is by wrestling with it, and thus not thinking about possible alternatives. Jake just had the interesting idea to simply jump onto its back instead of taking it head-on. It would ''technically'' be cheating (if there were rules for this stuff), but Jake's ingenuity in taming the Toruk just shows he's worthy of being Toruk Makto regardless.

* Let's face it, if Toruk can't be bothered to look up then anything that wants to parasitise him is going to be on his upper surface. The reason nobody bothers to be Toruk Macto is because they don't enjoy the attendant Toruk Louse Trouser Carnival every time they get on the stupid thing.

** I was checking for black people the whole movie. The only time I saw any was during the safety briefing, and it seemed 50% white, 50% black.

 

Nobody realises that when the link is on, human commands the Avatar, but the Avatar body affects the driver's personality as well. It's much like being thrusted into Avatar's brain and trying to fit into it. This is why Avatar!Jake is childishly stupid, and Avatar!Grace is more emotional.

 

== Even if the Na'vi lost to the invaders... ==

...It would be all for nothing. Twelve years is a very long turnaround in terms of communication. Corporate and financial realms, being the ficklest things to be created by man, and man is a ''very'' fickle thing, the twist ending had the result gone the other way: They get back to Earth to find the price of Unobtainium has fallen through the floor. They were only conducting an exersise in futillity, all the while pissing the company's and it's shareholder's money up a tree.

** FTL communations that cost $7,000 per one ''byte!'' If the company collapses, nobody might be interested in sending any notes about the new situation.

** If a company collapses, it's generally a good idea to, you know, let the employees know that.

 

== Humans "killed their mother" because she was a psychotic bitch. ==

* ...So this means Mr. Burns ran RDA? "Mother Nature started the fight, and now she wants to quit because she's LOSING?"

** It's kind of a psychotic abusive mother with a child not ready to be independent. Humanity needs its mother because she does provide for us, but being chained to the radiator or strangled or whatever abuse metaphors you can think of has really put humanity on edge.

** Doesn't control them as far as you ''know''. What if in the future the Na'vi started looking into technology and developing? Would Eywha happily go along with it or would it mindcontrol any thoughts along those lines out of their heads. The only people who've told us Eywa is actually good are people ''Eywa could be controlling.''

** Eywa doesn't control the Na'Vi? If that's so, how come they only have one language, one religion? How come there seems that there are no political or cultural differences between the tribes that we know about? Is their mother robbing them from their individuality, in order to protect them as a whole?

 

== The Na'Vi and Avatars will become future [[Ancient Astronauts]] ==

 

== Pandora was inspired by [[Strugatsky Brothers]]' books ==

 

== Jake's betrayal of the human race is a side effect of Avatar usage. ==

Initially, he's a hardass Marine who isn't totally enthralled with this treehugging thing. Months later, he's calling his own race "aliens" and killing his comrades. Grace had been noting that, the more hours he logged in, the more he became disconnected to his humanity. (Or... something like that.) After all, he does note that when he's linked, ''that's'' real.

* This is usually what happens when you spend months gradually becoming part of a peaceful, edenic society, and are then given orders to burn it to the ground. It's called a perspective shift.

***** Also, Jake's rejected his humanity, not just his culture - he could have still identified with humans after months of living with the Na'vi, but he's calling them "aliens" and killing comrades... even when he said himself that he never lost the ex-Marine attitude.

* If Enwa/Pandora can control all of the animals, there's no reason she/it can't control the Na'vi or avatars that can connect with her/it the same way they do. Jake may not have changed his perspective so much as ''had'' his perspective changed for him.

== Ewya will eat/upload Quaritch's brain, resulting in him taking over the planetary mind. ==

You know he's [[Badass]] enough to do it.

 

== The Toruk is the previous Toruk Macto. ==

We know that the Na'vi can put sprits into new bodies...perhaps the Toruk actually contains the spirit of the last one who rode it. They won't let anyone else ride them unless they've got a reeeally good reason.

 

Strength+ Experience+ Stupidity. You've got to be strong enough to hold on long enough to bond with it, experienced enough to jump on its back from fifteen feet up (minimum, at full stealth-dive speed) ''and'' beat its mind into submission, and stupid enough to try (since even an incredibly dedesperate Na'vi wouldn't bother, unless they were experienced enough to have lost most of the stupidity and probably some of the strength). The young Na'vi who try get killed because they lack the experience, and sometimes the strength. The older Na'vi are wise enough not to try in the first place. I fully expected there to be a sort of "I left out one thing for the purposes of keeping my ancestor's legend... legendary, where Neytiri says to Jake, "My grandfather was the strongest, most skilled, bravest of his generation... But he was also the stupidest." Or even some sort of "your people have two words for 'broken in the head'; one is 'stupid', the other is 'brave'" speech, if they wanted to play up the cultural differences even more.

 

== In order to maintain good PR, the RDA will make Jake Sully a hero on Earth and blame everything on Quaritch. ==

After arriving, Quaritch went crazy, took over Hell's Gate and became obsessed with destroying the Na'vi. All of the crimes commited against the Na'vi people (including {{spoiler|the destruction of Hometree}}) were solely the orders of the insane Quaritch, and would never have been condoned by the RDA. Since they couldn't shut him down outright (Quaritch had several years worth of shipments of troops and weapons), the RDA sent Jake Sully in order to covertly rescue their operations from Quaritch, bring him and his military goons to justice ({{spoiler|hence the sending all the non-scientists back to Earth}}), and show the Na'vi that humanity isn't all bad.

Of course, none of this is true, but it sounds good and the public will buy it.

 

== One of Pandora's sister moons will be a [[Shifting Sand Land|desert world.]] ==

** ... This happened in the movie, you realize.

** Unless it's a deleted scene, no, it didn't. Hmm.

*** There needs to be more research on this. I swear that when I saw Avatar in the theater, they linked head tentacles, but that is clearly absent from the DVD version and other people I talked to who saw the theatrical version didn't see it either. Two versions in theaters?

*** Avatar was re-released some time in August 2010 for roughly a month. There were 9 minutes of additional footage, including the 15-ish seconds of Na'vi 'foreplay'.

* So, will they become an [[Friend to All Living Things|Ecologist]] race or a [[Corrupt Corporate Executive|Trader]] race do you suppose? [[Perverse Sexual Lust|Neytiri would look good in either of the groups' captain's parts...]]

 

* Quaritch is Gargamel.

* Mo'at is Papa Smurf.

* Think about it too much and [[Your Head Asplode|brain will explode.]]

 

This being Earth's first attempt at space travel, when they do return to Pandora, they strip-mine the place into a wasteland. Some of the wildlife is badass enough to survive, but with 'Eywa' dead evolve past needing an uplink. With the resources depleted, the corporations pack up and leave, paving the way for the game to begin some centuries later.

** Explicitly a planet.

The Society of Jesus tried their darndest to always send someone to new lands, wherever they may be. They are also well known for having many famous scientists, particularly in the areas of biology and cosmology. He would further be an excellent candidate for such a mission, having only minimal earthly ties.

 

 

"We Na'vi are descended from Eywa herself..."

 

== Pandora is a reverse Earth. Eg. Civilization ==

 

Jake managed to train and become one of the people, but who is he helping, himself? Did he trick Neytiri into mating with him? Did he gather the clans against the RDA intending to be left alone? Did he just come to get new legs?

 

== Pandora's atmosphere is heavy in xenon. ==

 

== Jake was in love with ''Eywa''. ==

 

== RDA will come back... ==

 

== The movie is actually a stealth [[Take That]] at extreme environmentalists. ==

* Can I hug you?

** [[F Orget]] asking permission *Uberglomps original poster.*

 

== The truth of the matter is... James Cameron is in fact, a Na'vi avatar unit sent from the Na'vi empire, who's planning on invading earth on 2012... ==

** It's entries like these that show just how far we as humans can stretch "probable cause" to absurd lengths.

** To be honest, I couldn't facepalm enough at the above WMG. It's called worldbuilding. Look it up. Srsly what sort of disturbing form of logic do you run on? Should we speculate whether or not Tolkien was an elf or if JK Rowling is secretly a wizard? We can have our "out there" theories, but it would be beneficial to us all if you at least think them through.

Several years ago, Mo'at and Eytukan have a daughter, and they name her Neytiri. She grows up, and eventually starts her learning the lessons to become the next matriarch of the clan. And so as part of the process, they have to choose the strongest (male) warrior within the clan to become the patriarch. Tsu'tey fits the bill, and he's chosen. However, there's a problem: the parents of the two ''chosen ones'' '''hate''' each other. In fact, Tsu'tey's father was purposely training his son to more extreme lengths just to get the position and to spite Eytukan by removing his bloodline from the clan leader list. And so prior to the movie's events, Mo'at and Eytukan start planning.

 

3. Tsu'tey has to be rendered unable to take the position of clan leader (by death or otherwise) }}

 

 

With all the hopping around the forest the Na'vi do, with all the ''flying around'' they can do, you would ''think'' that maybe - just maybe - they may have noticed the armada of bulldozers closing in on their memory trees. After all, they've only been closing in for ''three months''.

* What he ACTUALLY said was 'that's when the dozers get there' - meaning availability, not a travel time.

 

 

== ''Quaritch'' is an avatar. ==

* So if Quaritch's avatar is a human, then what is Quaritch really? Is he even human? Is he even a man? Is he really some alien octopus? Is he a machine? Is he a house cat? So many possibilities. So many fan-fics.....[[Brain Bleach|Oh NO!]] [[Rule 34|I think I just gave someone ideas!]]

** Ooo - maybe he's Eywa, trying to keep the humans against the Navi!

When the film came out, there were reports of people being depressed that such a place doesn't exist. The whole film is meant to invoke this, as it is symbolic of the resentment people have toward their urban and suburban environments. People always regret the things they don't have. First of all, the humans in the film not only lack any spirituality, they have no care for nature, and they live in a high-tech environment. This symbolizes how the audience feels we are today. Second, Pandora is on a distant planet, far, far away and impossible for most to get to. Untouched wilderness with amazing wildlife DOES exist on Earth, but to most Americans, the rainforests and icy mountains are things only on TV, so they have the illusion that those things really don't exist. The wilderness being on a distant planet represents how people feel that such wilderness is some otherworldly thing that doesn't exist on Earth. Third, the people who respect nature aren't even human. The audience feels like humanity itself has lost a connection with nature, and the Na'vi represent their feeling that humans inherently no longer have respect for nature and only a non-human race and their ways can show love for nature.

 

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