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In a deleted scene, we see old Biff dissappear after {{spoiler|changing the timeline}}. that's because in A!1985, The door opening killed A!Biff, so ''Old biff didn't exist.''

But...it wasn't pointless. Doc PLANNED the entire thing. Doc knew that Marty being a hothead about being called "chicken" resulted in a future that was...not really great. He wants Marty to get over this, but can't just say "You're going to be in a car race that Needles eggs you in to, you're going to hit a Rolls Royce and ruin your future." Doing that would cause problems, because as he says multiple times, no one should know too much about their own future. So instead, he comes up with a plan: set into action a chain of events that will cause Marty to mature, and get over his whole problem with being called chicken. So he uses his knowledge of how timelines and time travel works, and figures out this plan, that involves the entirety of [[Btt F]] 2 AND 3, that eventually gets Marty to mature. His tombstone just HAPPENS to be next to where the [[De Lorean]]DeLorean is buried in 1955? No...he planned it that way. He let it be known that is where he wanted to be buried, so that Marty would see the tombstone in 1955 and plan to come back to the past, and that the events of part 3 would happen and allow Marty to get over his issues and not get in that accident. Another part of the theory is the malfunctioning Time Circuits in part 2. They worked just fine, he simply made it look like they weren't so he'd have an excuse to be sent back to 1885. When he was trying to land the [[De Lorean]]DeLorean in 1955 after Marty burned the book, he says that he has to fly back around due to the wind, but in what we've seen of the [[De Lorean]]DeLorean flying previously, it seems like it is able to do a vertical landing, akin to a harrier jet. So why suddenly does the wind matter? It doesn't. Doc knows that if he stays in the air he will get hit by lightning, and has the time circuits ready to go to 1885, as it is all part of his perfectly thought-out plan.

Doc is a total bad-ass, and one of the greatest [[Chessmaster|Chessmasters]]s ever committed to film, using his own death as part of his plan.

** Of course there is a year zero, just not everyone calls it that. The number assigned to a year is an arbitrary convenience. It doesn't matter what label your calendar slaps on it, if the time machine knows to go back a certain number of years that's all that matters. Doc programmed his Delorean with a different calendar than the common modified Gregorian-- thereGregorian—there are several calendars that use a zero year to mark the birth of Christ.

*** [[Divide Byby Zero|Maybe the necessary equations involve dividing by the year.]]

An eccentric old man, more then happy to take an impulsive teenager back and forwards in time with him, but still takes preventing paradox's very seriously. Pacifistic enough that knowing a group of Libyan terrorists is coming after him he uses the information to get a Kevlar vest, which would do nothing if the terrorists decided to shoot him in the head point blank, even though he could have easily set up a trap to kill them. He must have aged at least 35-4035–40 years (based on estimated age of the kids on the train) between 1955 and the end of film yet he looks no older.there are about 200 years between episode 11 and 12 of doctor who season 6 during this time we know nothing about his whereabouts. alternatively it is made very clear that the doctors intention at the end of season 6 is to lay low for a while. oh and his nickname is doc. just saying.

** Either that, or Doc Brown is the Doctor after his twelve regen limit is used up, and he's just living through the rest of the years. However, it is also possible that Doc Brown is just a human who was ''visited'' by the Doctor. Doc had a vision, and the Doctor just happened to take a liking to him--hehim—he "gently nudged" Doc in the right direction. On top of all that, the [[De Lorean]]DeLorean ''has'' to use the Time/Space Vortex in some way: one miscalculation, and your bright, shiny Time Machine goes flying off the face of the earth.

The real function of the Flux Capacitor is to ensure that anyone traveling through time remains isolated from changes made to the time stream that may affect them. This is why Marty retains his memories from the "original" timeline and his [[Ripple Effect]] proof memory. Doc doesn't actually use the machine himself until the very end of the film and so his past was changed thanks to Future!Marty's involvement while Marty remembers things the way the used to be. This is also why Marty fades from time so slowly. In reality he should be the ''first'' kid in his family to fade because if they never married and had Dave they sure as hell aren't going to have Marty, but Marty was shielded from time's effects due to the Flux Capacitor.

** It also explains why the new 1985 is a good thing rather than the [[Fridge Horror]] of your family of 17 years having different personalities and histories--eventuallyhistories—eventually, Marty acclimated to those changes as his new memories caught up.

*** The one where Doc in part II wears a [[Latex Perfection]] mask to avoid giving away his age-- andage—and when he pulls it off looks exactly the same as he does in all three films.

* Marty went further into the future to not only get a rejuvenation, but to have his brain genetically enhanced to make himself a genius-- agenius—a side-effect was that it altered his personality. Before he went back and became Doc, he used his new intelligence to realize the damage he was doing to the timestream, and he had his memory erased or altered just before going back; he then remembered/"invented" the time machine.

== Old Biff's reason for choosing November 12, 1955: ==

When Old Biff gave the [[Timeline -Altering MacGuffin]] to his younger self on the date of the lightning storm, it was no coincidence. Biff chose that date because he believed that ''that'' day was the day that his entire life changed. And it was. Getting decked by George turned him from a bully into a <s>relatively nice guy</s> a wimp afraid of his former victim. Old Biff decided that that life sucked, and he still had a grudge against George McFly, and so he went back to the moment that things changed.

* There's a deleted scene from Part II where the Clock Tower Guy in 2015, Terry, reminds Old Biff of the date while shaking Marty down for money. Terry was the mechanic who told Biff it was 300 bucks for getting all that manure out of his car. Probably hearing about the manure helped remind Old Biff of all the other stuff, so yeah. Off to November 12th12!

Compare [http://bp2.blogger.com/_0NjEhF7mpS4/SEL0u_yzzhI/AAAAAAAAAHA/x6U0Szf4SFI/s1600-h/hill+valley.jpg Hill Valley] and ''[https://web.archive.org/web/20100527191444/http://www.joystiq.com/photos/the-sims-3/970457/ The Sims 3]''

The surname is just a coincidence. One of them looks like Lorraine, the other looks like Marty -- notMarty—not George, ''Marty.'' Marty didn't get his looks from his father's side, but from his mother's. (When you think about it, he looks more like her anyway.) This also explains why George and Lorraine are still happily married despite the implications of her having a son who looks exactly like her high-school boyfriend Calvin. She has photographic proof that that face runs in her family.

** [[Stable Time Loop|It doesn't.]]

* "it's the future"?? The "future" of Back to the Future is only a shade over 5 years from now. (Feel old yet?)

*** [https://web.archive.org/web/20130619220805/http://www.dvice.com/archives/2010/05/artsy-back-to-t.php Here].

* What I meant that the the 2015 they went to is [[The Future]] ([[TradesnarkTradesnark™|TM]]), not necessary just five years (well, four years now), in our future.

== The father of the family that lives in Marty's house in 1985-A is [[Samuel L. Jackson]]. ==

== 1985-A is the same 1985 that ''[[Watchmen (Comic Bookcomics)|Watchmen]]'' takes place during. ==

* You think a being like Dr. Manhattan wouldn't have something to say about a figure like Biff using an object clearly not

* No, because Marty was ''expecting'' Doc to be waiting at the roof edge in the DeLorean in the first place -- whenplace—when he hits the edge in anger after looking down it's not because of the height or lack of fire escape but because Doc isn't there. It's set up in the scene where Marty confronts Biff in the jacuzzi, when Biff asks "How did you get past my security downstairs?": Marty bypassed them completely by being dropped off on the roof by Doc. So it wasn't "convenient" that Doc was there -- Martythere—Marty just had to wait for Doc to fly back before he could escape.

An interesting theory described in [https://web.archive.org/web/20121031105357/http://www.mts.net/~arphaxad/bttf.html this essay].

**** Well, that would explain why [[Humans Are Bastards|humansthe areReal bastardsMonsters]].

The Twin Pine version of the same car hit Lone Pine Marty, and Lorraine went all (misnomer-version) [[Florence Nightingale Effect]]. Instead of trying to get them together in a different way like Twin Pine Marty, LP Marty sets up a [[Tricked -Out Time]] "Loop" (as far as he knows, and for real assuming this is the case, a [[Tricked -Out Time|Tricked Out]] [[Stable Time Loop|TimeLoop]]) the direct way by stealing a car and running it into George. Since he's used to driving, unlike Twin Pine Marty, he expects to be able to stop in time to avoid severely injuring George (whether he manages to compensate for the lack of power brakes and difference in density or if his inability to compensate causes George to be injured enough that Lorraine forgets about Marty for him is up to individual opinion).

* Note: this theory is dependent on LP Marty being more resistant to [[Ret -Gone]] than Twin Pine Marty, since he has to get to the clock tower moment with neither his parents meeting nor his getting too immaterial to drive to pull this off. Fortunately, ''that'' is already practically canon, seeing as he or another version of him lives through those exact events trying to protect Twin Pine Marty in [[Back to The Future]] II and doesn't appear to fade out...

== George thought he had been visited by a devil, and with proof that Hell exists, was more interested in living a full, enjoyable life with maybe a little pain than living an empty life followed by possibly being toasted on a spit for all eternity thanks to some [[Deal Withwith the Devil]] he might have accidentally made. ==

However, "Darth Vader from the planet Vulcan" left an indelible impression on George (judging by the cover art of his book, [[Covers Always Lie|assuming you can]]). A SF geek would have avidly watched ''[[Star Trek: theThe Original Series (TV)|Star Trek the Original Series]]'' during its initial run, and the evening of [http://en.[wikipedia.org/wiki/Journey_to_Babel:Journey to Babel|November 17, 1967]] probably didn't pass without poor George yelping at the Vulcan salute. While he did tell Calvin about the event, an angry George would have easily found out that no "Calvin Klein" wrote for Paramount - and more research would have found out that the writer didn't know any Calvin Klein and had never heard of his experience. In fact, research wouldn't have turned up ''anything'' about a Calvin Klein who went to his school - just a rising fashion designer who looked nothing like his old friend.

Add to those details all the many little oddities of Calvin's behavior (and his weird "life preserver" outfit when he first arrived), and it would be a very small leap for George to realize that Calvin was from the future - and that he had probably been the "masked alien", as both of them had been very concerned about him getting together with Lorraine. [http://en.[wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Episode_IV:_A_New_HopeStar Wars Episode IV: A New Hope|1977]] would have clinched it if George had any doubt. Further pondering about just ''who'' would travel through time and care ''so'' much about him ending up with a particular girl would lead George to the conclusion that Calvin had to be a descendant of George and Lorraine.

* This also explains why he never brought it up. If he ''actually'' asked Lorraine on information about Calvin, she'd point him right in the direction of Doc Brown, who would probably tell George not to talk to Marty about it until October 27, 1985, lest it cause a temporal paradox.

They already knew everything he did, and were just stopping by to say "[[Rule of Cool|Screw The Rules, I've Got An Awesome Time Machine And Know How To Avoid All The Problems I Was Worried About Before]], so I'll be picking you up any time you want a ride [[Title Drop|back... to the future]]!"

== Marty fading in the original film wasn't him being [[Ret -Gone]], it was just him being transferred back to the original timeline. ==

This also explains the difference between FirstMovie!Marty and SecondMovie!Marty pointed out in the "Changed To Fit The New Timeline" WMG above-- betweenabove—between films, the original and "new timeline" Marties exchanged places, going back to their respective universes.

That's not to say that BTTF's future is ''completely'' different from ours. Hover tech notwithstanding, perhaps BTTF's future is aware of things like ''[[House (TV series)|House]]'', ''[[Futurama]]'', ''[[Harry Potter (Literaturenovel)|Harry Potter]]'', the iPhone, and the Internet--allInternet—all slightly different, of course, and all of which go unmentioned in the film for [[Twenty Minutes Into the Future|obvious reasons]]. (Heck, you could even argue that the likes of [[Lady Gaga (Music)|Lady Gaga]] or [[La Roux]] had a more lasting impact on the weird fashion sense of the BTTF future than in ours--justours—just go watch the video for "Bulletproof" and compare the singer's look to some of the people in Part II.)

For the first test at Twin Pines, Doc sets the speed for 88 &nbsp;mph to show off a bit to Marty ("...yer gonna see some serious shit!"); but the speed remains set at 88 when Marty accidentally jumps back to 1955. However, when Doc first departs for 2015 after dropping Marty off at the end of the film, the time machine definitely does NOT appear to be going 88, meaning Doc must have reset his temporal displacement activation speed (maybe as a safety precaution). That's what the the seemingly useless buttons and doodads on the DeLorean's ceiling are for, as Doc punches them at the end of Part I right before the car flies away. He sure didn't appear to be going 88 when he reentered 1985, and perhaps he reset it to 88 to be a showoff to Marty and Jennifer.

However, the arbitrary speed settings were damaged with the time control microchip when the car was struck by lightning in Part II. The replacement transistors and tubes from 1955 didn't have the speed settings that the microchip had, binding the time machine to the 88 &nbsp;mph needed for time travel, leading to the problem in Part III.<ref>Notice that with the control tubes in place, the car starts sparking WAAAAY before Marty hits 88, very much unlike when the car had a microchip, when it only sparked at the set temporal displacement speed.</ref>

Evidence: he activates "lithium mode" on a panel, and [http://en.[wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_pharmacology:Lithium pharmacology|lithium being used as a tranquillizer]] is [[Truth in Television]]. The lithium mode he activated was probably lithium being added to their drinking water, which is what psychiatrist Peter Kramer proposed in reality in 2009 to reduce suicide rates.

== During the build process, Doc replaced the [[De Lorean]]DeLorean's stock engine ==

The stock [[De Lorean]]DeLorean takes 10.6 seconds to get from 0 to 60 MPH, and 40 seconds plus a LOT of room to get up to 100. Doc had to include a lead-lined chamber for the plutonium, which must have added significantly to the car's weight. With the stock engine and that much extra bulk, it might not even have been able to reach 88 MPH at all. So he replaced it with a much more powerful engine from a sports car. That explains why the engine noises don't match those from a normal [[De Lorean]]DeLorean.

Even though Old Biff warns Young Biff about "a kid or crazy, wide-eyed scientist" when he gives him the [[Timeline -Altering MacGuffin]], Doc actually went insane because of his inability to understand why the timeline was deviating so much from what Marty told him. Doc would be the only one in the know about how certain future events are meant to unfold.

* Why would Doc take Clara ''and his sons'' on a mission to murder Marty? Not only would it be emotionally traumatizing, especially for the children--seeingchildren—seeing their father kill someone ''and'' seeing what the future has in store, Doc knows from experience how easily things can go wrong in the future. That he's taking his wife and sons around in time like it's a vacation is probably evidence that he ''doesn't'' care about timelines getting crossed any more, not that he wants to keep them in strict order.

* The main theme of the first installment of each trilogy is GENE. The impetus for most of Marty's actions in the first movie is to cause his parents to marry once again, causing him to come into existence from their genes. Likewise, the second movie matches with [[Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty]]'s main theme of MEME. The consequences of information from the future traveling backwards are expanded upon and shown in detail, as Biff uses the Sports Almanac to change his past and eventually 1985. Finally, the third movie fits with [[Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater]]'s main theme of SCENE, since it puts the main characters in a completely different setting than any of the movies offered, and shows how that affects the other characters' outlooks. It's also like the third game in that it shows familiar character-analogues and recurring series events in a historically earlier context.

* The reason Marty and Doc have time traveled several times without screwing up enough to make any fatal paradoxes is because the sentient parts of time has grown to like them both, and cleans up parts of time to help them out. The fact that the [[McFly]] family suddenly becomes awesome, and that Doc eventually found the love of his life, was little gifts from time itself. And the reason they often get into trouble (lightning bolt hitting the [[De Lorean]]DeLorean much? Biff going back in time?) is time wanting to get them into adventures both for its own amusement and them getting amazing memories.

*** The Animated Series... although [[Canon Dis ContinuityDiscontinuity|it's questionable if it's ''actually'' canon]]...

At the end of "OUTATIME", Doc and Marty see {{spoiler|THREE Marties arriving from the future, ALL of them wanting their help. Such an event is just BEGGING to tear apart the time stream, according to Doc himself.}} So, what do they do? {{spoiler|Leave the three behind as they go time traveling without them.}} An actual logical reason isn't given as to why they leave them, but if you think about it, a reason isn't needed.

* Conversely, {{spoiler|because the first of the three Marties from the future let himself be seen by his younger self, it caused the parallel future timeline that the second Marty would come from, which then caused the parallel future timeline that the third Marty would come from. It could be seen from the fact that the second Future!Marty talks of the first Future!Marty as if his timeline's been erased, and the third Future!Marty is sick of the both of them. By ditching all three of them, the Doc and Marty of the Present hope to prevent the events that set the paradox in motion before a fourth Marty from a parallel future timeline shows up.}}

So the [[De Lorean]]DeLorean was [[Unfortunate Implications|feeling suicidal]] at the end of the third film?

For two reasons. First, because it would be the cheapest possible cop-out, so it would be the most effective way to troll fans. Second, because Doc saying "The future can wait" means that they are going to the past again.

== Doc Brown and his family started the race of [[Doctor Who (TV)|Time Lords]]. ==

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