Batman/Ho Yay: Difference between revisions

* Lord knows [https://web.archive.org/web/20131124005328/http://superdickery.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=32&Itemid=50 where] they got it [https://web.archive.org/web/20131226205040/http://superdickery.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=32&Itemid=50&limitstart=72 from] but many people interpret ''[[Batman]]'' as having plenty of [[Ho Yay]]. One [[Moral Guardians|Moral Guardian]], Frederic Wertham, famously claimed that it was "homosexual propaganda". Some later writers intentionally joked around with this.

{{quote| "Joker, does it ever bother you... really bother you... that Batman will always like Catwoman better? Blow up his city all you want, he'll never take you to the prom!"}}

*** More or less confirmed in the recent "Cacophony" mini series where Joker's stated dreams are to humiliate Batman, kill him, then violate his corpse sexually. (What? You were expecting something ROMANTIC or even ''sane'' from the Joker?)

'''BatgirlHarley''': You mean you two...What?<br />

'''Harley''': WhatYeah...?<br />

'''HarleyBatgirl''': YeahY'know...?<br />friends... like...

*** Let's face it. It's not even subtext, it's just... TEXT.

** That's nothing, look at [https://web.archive.org/web/20140408123809/http://superdickery.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=387:oracle-and-black-canary-get-all-wet&catid=32:seduction-index&Itemid=36 this.] Batgirl is basically made of [[Les Yay]]. [[Fan Service|Not that I'm complaining...]]

*** [[Gail Simone]] agrees. She's [[Word of God|stated]] that far as she's concerned, [[Black Canary]] is a non-practicing [[Bi the Way|bisexual]]. And the above panel is from ''before'' she took over ''[[Birds of Prey]]''.

*** The Bat and the Cat storyline from ''Batman Confidential''. Long story short, Batgirl and Catwoman chase each other all over Gotham for possession of an important notebook. And at one point, [http://tytempletonart.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/batgirl-2.jpg this] happens. It certainly does look like angry sex.

** The Joker makes a couple of [[Ho Yay]] jokes about Robin in [[Grant Morrison]]'s ''[[Arkham Asylum: aA Serious House Onon Serious Earth]]''. After the Joker greets Batman with a slap on the buttocks (throwing him into a rage), he asks, "How is the Boy Wonder? Started shaving yet?" Later, when Batman claims to see nothing in an [[Inkblot Test]] card, the Joker says, "Not even a cute little long-legged boy in swim trunks?"

{{quote| '''Producer''': I know some stories say that the kid's a ''guy''--but in a costume like ''[[Stripperiffic|that]]''? C'mon--this is ''family'' entertainment!}}

*** Basically the entirety of ''[[Batman and Thethe Outsiders|Outsiders]]'' (the [[Judd Winick]] one), with a few coy references in ''[[Teen Titans (Comic Book)|Titans]]'' (the Devin Grayson one).

*** During the Hugo Strange arc in ''Batman: Gotham Knights'', Hugo psycho analyses Dick's feelings for Batman as being sexual in nature

*** Not to mention that the second Robin (who was the first child to be adopted by Bruce, years before even Dick), Jason Todd, went on a [[Roaring Rampage of Revenge]] after he came [[Back Fromfrom the Dead]] that was mostly motivated by his finding out that Bruce hadn't broken [[Thou Shalt Not Kill|his one rule]] to avenge Jason's death.

{{quote| '''Jason''': And doing it because... ...because he took me away from you.}}

*** The thing is, Loeb was by no means the first writer to make you doubt the heterosexuality of Superman and Batman. I would dare say that honour goes to Doug Moench in [http://the-isb.blogspot.com/2005/11/where-they-went-wrong-superman-and.html ''World's Finest'' #289], also covered [http://asylums.insanejournal.com/scans_daily/813229.html#cutid1 here]. It starts off with the two seeking comfort in each other at the Fortress of Solitude one lonely night and Holy Mother of God, does it go downhill from there (or [[LampshadedIf DoubleYou EntendreKnow What I Mean|uphill, depending on your point of view]]). It ends with - swear to God - [[Naughty Tentacles]], and the two of them embracing. And with dialogue like this (emphasis ''so'' not mine):

{{quote| '''Superman''': We're like night and day, you and I, and yet we're closer than we realize, '''closer than twins''' because we complement each other... we '''fit''' each other... '''like a hand and glove'''. <br />

*** There was an [http://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/1280377.html?#cutid1 Elseworld comic] in which Kal-El's rocket landed in medieval Japan, and the medieval Japanese equivalent of Batman was a woman. The results were...predictable.

*** Further referenced in their [[Superman: theThe Animated Series|animated]] [[Batman: theThe Animated Series (Animation)|series]] crossover, when Bruce Wayne's obvious interest in Superman leads to Lois asking "You want me to fix you two up?"

** Maybe it's just something about Batman-- there are even some moments of [[Ho Yay]] between him and Jim Gordon. Check out [http://jinx-says.livejournal.com/17338.html this] scene from ''[[Batman: No MansMan's Land]]''. Tim's right: it ''does'' feel like your parents are fighting.

** The relationship between Tim and Dick lends itself plenty to this interpretation. On the one hand you've got [[Nightwing]], who's unbearably [[I Didn't Mean to Turn You On|friendly]], unbearably [[Chick Magnet|handsome]], and unbearably [[Big Brother Mentor|cool]]. On the other, you've got [[Badass Bookworm|Tim]], who once saw Dick at the circus when he was three and imprinted so much that he was [[Awesome By Analysis|able to recognize him]] solely by his acrobatics six years later, and who then [[Stalking Is Love|proceeded to stalk both his identities for several years]].

** Batman does have a history of sneaking into the bedrooms of attractive, naked young men. See his relationship with [[Green Lantern (Comic Book)|Green Lantern]] [[The Woobie|Kyle Rayner]], when he did so to assure Kyle that the League thought of him as the true Green Lantern. Kyle was a bit of a Batman [[Ascended Fanboy|fanboy]], as well.

* [[Catwoman (Comic Bookcomics)|Catwoman]] and Talia's scene in "Hush", with Talia tied up in Catwoman's apartment with Catwoman casually circling around her, kind of gives off these vibes.

* The [[Squee|friendship between Cass (Batgirl II) and Steph (Spoiler)]] can occasionally verge on this. Specifically, when Cass is having a [[Near -Death Experience]], she hallucinates the spirit of her friend, carrying her as a groom would carry his bride. [http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lapjhn4g481qzmbbqo1_500.jpg Check it out.]

*** [[Double Entendre|So they've both gotten into Barbara's pants?]]