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== Helena Kyle traveled through time after being separated from her mother, eventually become the Huntress. ==
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== Batman will posses Joker and force him to help him come back to life ==
They will have to share bodies. Maybe there will be a [[
== All the Jokers are good friends ==
They have a pocket dimension where they have meetings.
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* Of his adversaries, he is closest to Catwoman.
* He is always more interested in her when she is in costume.
** Having seen how good her costume looks in ''[[Batman: The Animated Series
* Of all his enemies, he is most likely to [[Enemy Mine|team up]] with The Penguin.
** I've seen him and Joker work together more. Also, he and Joker aren't that different. Just one went insane and one only went slightly insane. I'll leave the choice of which is which to you.
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* Grant Morrison has said that the way he sees it, Batman would have gone insane if he ''hadn't'' dressed up like a bat and run off in a cape to fight crime, so it's probably something like that.
== Gotham isn't the [[DCU]] version of New York or Chicago. It's ''[[
Either Innsmouth started out named Gotham in the DCU, or sometime around the mid-thirties, when the city began to grow larger (enough to encompass Arkham and Dunwich as well), the new city was officially called Gotham and Innsmouth, Dunwich, Arkham, etc. became just boroughs. This explains the dark, twisted nature of the city, its architecture, people, mad scientists... not to mention Arkham Asylum. Related theories:
* In the DCU, Nyarlathotep is named "Parallax".
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* He did study Buddhism during his years abroad, but he seems to have abandoned it.
As [[
* Unless "Jesus" stops fucking around and lasers Buddha from orbit.
** This is why Jesus is always losing: he's always trying to reason with people, while the other guy is mowing him down with a tank, shorting out the electrical grid to fry his brain with electricity, and shooting synthesized kryptonite arrowheads at him.
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* This brings up the question of what he'd do when faced with Deadpool or Animal Man.
* Joker not only has no fourth wall, but is also infused with godly powers. Oh, and I, err, he, goes on TV Tropes.
** the joker is unsure of whether or not he will disappear is based on the fact that he's a batman villain so with batman dies then he has no nemesis but he is also aware of the dc universe's continuity and this is where it gets complicated he knows that with he kills batman he will continue to exist but he also knows that batman is a fan favorite and one of the dc universe's most beloved heroes, so with he kills him then the fans will despise him and want him dead so he may be killed "in-universe" but he isn't sure of that because the creators may want to use it to put the jokers evil and hatred level [[Up to Eleven
== ''The Dark Knight Returns'' and ''Kingdom Come'' are in the same continuity. ==
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* When Alfred "destroys" Wayne Manor in ''DKR'', all we see is the roof being blown off -- the main building could have remained standing, intact enough to be vandalized later.
== ''[[Whatever Happened to
Whatever Happened's main text takes place first. It's reasonable to assume that if Lois lied about Superman dying, then she lied about the Gold Kryptonite. In exchange for giving him a new identity, the government requested a few odd-jobs every now and then from Superman. Then, between Whatever Happened's main text and the [[Scrapbook Story|frame story]], the ''Dark Knight Returns''. This requires that you disregard the ''Dark Knight Strikes Again'', but [[Take That|would you miss it?]]
** [[Atop the Fourth Wall
== Helena Kyle's father will be retconned to be Bruce Wayne ==
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** Not that far fetched since Wildcat's illegitimate son was found to be a werepanther.
== Selina's daughter is [[Runaways
The baby's appearance (brown-ish hair and green eyes) is similar to Molly's. Heck, take a [http://pics.livejournal.com/uadlika/pic/0003y46k look] for yourselves. She's even got a little hat on in that page. Bruce was to hide her away mysteriously, he might have somehow arranged for the child to be transported through ''space and time'' into the [[Marvel Universe]]. What's a better hiding place than a completely different universe? And it's possible Molly's powers are not of the Marvelverse mutant variety, but of the [[Birds of Prey|metahuman]] kind.
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* I can't BELIEVE you guys are going so far with this tourist trap thing. Helloooo? Batman's not real! You ever seen Batman? Hell no! All we have is the word of the news, the police, and the Council that there's ACTUALLY some kind of, I don't know, ''Uber-Hero'' running around, taking out the mafia with his amazing skills and stopping purse-snatchings on the subway, de-shitholing Gotham one alley at a time. Yeah, right! He's about as real as the Loch Ness Monster - you think anybody would visit Lake Ness if there wasn't a "monster?" Batman has more to do with the fact that only 29% of Gotham college graduates go on to get jobs here than some super-resourceful, super-athletic guy wanting to clean up crime all of a sudden.
** NO, Batman is real! My cousin's roommate has a friend who saw him! He's really out there!
** Is a guy dressed as a bat fighting criminals with batarangs any less believable than [[Superman|the flying guy from Metropolis]], or [[Green Lantern
* You're all wrong! Batman really is a girl! I mean, no self-respecting baddie would admit that he has been beaten by the girl, would he? So, this means that Bruce Wayne is not Batman, neither is Clark Kent. Lois Lane, on the other hand...
** Yeah! You're right! I saw her back in No Man's Land. Spraying bat-tags and everything.
* Batman is Peter Parker, who is Spider Man, who is [[Deadpool|that dreamy Toby MacGuire]]. Unnaturally strong? Check. Can't fly? Also check. Doesn'tLikeGuns? Spot-on. If you cut him, does he bleed? Yep. Lastly, does he use grappling wire to get around the city? Totally, unquestionably the same guy.
** If he uses grappling wire he must be the Amazing Spiderman, unlike Toby who is a radioactive spider with Peter Parker DNA. A human with spider DNA doesn't create web with his own body but a spider with human DNA would have no problem doing this.
* I always thought Batman was [[Death Note
** The Joker can't be Kira. That Japanese actress Misa something-or-other is Kira; the news even said so and the Joker is definitely not a Japanese actress.
*** What better disguise, then?
** The biggest detective in the world is [[The Venture Brothers|Giant Boy Detective]].
* ''I'' know who Batman really is. Has access to very expensive, custom made equipment, so he's clearly got wealth. Needs some kind of support crew-- but kept to a minimum, possibly even just one, to avoid endangering his [[Secret Identity]]. But that one would have to be very competent as well as fully dedicated-- a [[Battle Butler]], if you will. And Batman would certainly need a cover identity which could explain away any injuries or criminal entanglements-- but he'd also need to be extremely well-trained and well-educated to do what Batman does, perhaps a great deal of travel or combat experience... Ah-HAH! It can only be one man! Batman is... [[The Big O
** [[American Dad
** We of the Union would like to add that Roger Smith ''is'' the Batman, and as such must be arrested and detained with extreme prejudice for daring to operate outside your... ''the'' law. We will hold his possessions until such time as he can retrieve them, particularly the giant mecha and the human-shaped robot girl he's keeping in his house. Our [[Badass in
* You're all morons! Harvey Bullock is Batman! Think about it: Bullock always says he hates Batman, he's much fatter than Batman, he sounds nothing like Batman, he has a reputation of taking bribes and being a crooked cop, and he uses guns. It's the perfect disguise! Who would suspect him?
** No, Harvey Bullock is just one of Batman's disguises. The fatness is just padding, and the corruption is just a smokescreen so he can earn criminals' trust. Batman has to have an undercover identity in order to scope out criminals, and it's not like he can stick on a fake mustache and chew on a match. That would be the worst disguise ever!
* Oh, come on everyone. It's obvious that Batman is [[Mad Men|Don Draper]]. Think about it: He's so mysterious, I don't think I've ever heard him talk about his past. Why does he disappear so often? He just leaves the office sometimes with no explanation. He disappeared for a whole two weeks just recently. And why does he live in a regular house? As head creative director, he should make more than that. I'll tell you why, all those gadgets are expensive. Even Harry Crane, head of the Television Department, guessed this once.
* Don't you mean [[Watchmen (
* Oh, whatever. You're all sheeple. It's obvious Christian Bale is Batman - he's got the voice, he clearly knows his stuff and what better cover would there be for him than actually playing Batman in the movies? None. Exactly.
* Okay, I've lost you all, here. I just want to say that it's obvious that Bruce Wayne's butler, Alfred - the one you occasionally see in pictures with Wayne - is ''totally'' Batman. I mean, you never see him, and you'd ''have'' to be a superhero to keep all of the Wayne mansion tidy! That logically means Bruce Wayne was the first Robin.
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** But [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebI8H5nq5L4 musical adaptations count as fiction], right?
== The Joker is [[
Specifically, Burton-movie-Joker. More specifically, he decides to become Betelgeuse once he meets the [[Celestial Bureaucracy]] after his hilarious cathedral-related demise. He used his new shapeshifting powers to make himself look just like Batman, just for kicks.
* Or, Beetlejuice could possibly be what the Joker turns into upon death. He [Beetlejuice] was dead/a spirit/etc. after all.
** No, the film [[White Noise]] is the prequel to Beetlejuice.
* Nah, I've seen them [http://www.uberpix.net/659/hey/ together] before.
* Also, the Joker is [[Death Note
* [[Bleach|Mayuri Kurotsuchi]] is the Joker in the afterlife.
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The Joker is more than one person, both sequentially and simultaneously. The DC Universe is bordering on insane - normal people just can't cope with alien invasions, gods and demons, and superhuman battles on a daily basis - and it needs a safety valve. The Joker exists to bleed off insanity and is more of a psychic entity than anything else. Every time he "dies," a new manifestation emerges, either full-blown out of nowhere or, perhaps, possessing someone and transforming their body. This explains how he never stays dead for long and his wild variations in sanity, stated origin, methodology, purpose, appearance, motivation, and attitude. This also explains how sometimes, very different versions of him can appear simultaneously in different storylines in a short period of time. Either that, or it's just Gotham City that's insane, and the Joker is how ''that'' manifests.
* Close. [http://padparadscha.livejournal.com/260856.html More simply, he's a god, somewhere on the lines of Loki or Coyote.]
* So the Joker is Gotham's equivalent of Tokyo's [[Paranoia Agent|Lil'Slugger]]? Or maybe we could call him a [[Ghost in
** I think he's the eighth [[Anthropomorphic Personification|Endless]] from [[The Sandman]]
*** Discord?
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* Oh, and if those two characters have already met in person, one was a robot or something.
** The Riddler was nearing sanity bey the time Vic entered the scene. [[Heel Face Turn|Hm...]]
* The above criteria sound rather similar to [[Watchmen (
** That can't be helped -- the Question is [[Captain Ersatz|similar]] to Rorschach...
* Wait, isn't the Question dead now? But Edward is still alive, which means Rene is secretly the Riddler. Think about it, who would suspect the lesbian police officer of being the Riddler?
== The Riddler and [[Watchmen (
Same scheme as above, more messed-up result.
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Come on! Just drop the "E" and that's "Batman!" Could he make it any more obvious? Bateman's wealth would allow him develop all kinds of devices. And why else would Bateman work out so much? Or wander the streets late at night? How else can we explain the mysterious bloodstains on his clothing and person, except that he is fighting criminals? The Batsuit is as exquisitely tailored as any of Bateman's Armani. And the Batmobile - sheer style. Bateman is regularly mistaken for other Wall Street men - useful if one has an identity to conceal.
* This is startlingly persuasive. Even if it is kind of a long commute from New York to Gotham.
* Close. He's JASON Bateman, from ''[[Arrested Development (TV series)|Arrested Development]]''.
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-LmRmJAmCw Bateman Begins]
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This could be conscious or subconscious, by the way; if it's subconscious, then that explains why he's always surprised to meet his alternate selves.
* This is true, according to ''"[[Whatever Happened to
* Alternately, his real power is to adjust all nonliving matter to another timeline that splits from his own at least several hours in the past. He can't bring back the dead because his power can't handle the more drastic changes of a death being undone or change anyone's memories, and he only has the concentration to either land in a random timeline or find a timeline exactly like his except for the contents of his utility belt.
* Part of his angst is almost certainly from seeing worlds where Batman is just a guy who put on a bat-suit and proceeded to punch evil in the face. Deep down he wants to be that cheerful guy who's friends with the other superheroes instead of their silent partner, but he knows it wouldn't work in this universe, and that makes him sad.
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== If/when [[Fan Dumb|fan outrage]] about Bruce Wayne being dead occurs, he will be brought back... ==
...via a [[Green Lantern
* [[Jossed]] by {{spoiler|''[[Final Crisis]]'' #7.}}
** If Black Lantern rings act by animating the body and not the soul, it could still work...
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* It's possible the rogues have figured this out. It's why they don't just shoot him--they're aware that Batman is immune to more traditional methods, and are trying to exceed the limits of his abilities with death traps no human being could survive.
== Dick Grayson will develop the [[Batman Beyond
After taking up the mantle of Batman, Dick has been upset with how the suit hinders his fighting style and capabilities. While he wants to live up to the visage of Batman, he'll eventually come to realize he needs to be his own Batman, not a copy of Bruce. This will lead him to develop the Batsuit seen in Batman Beyond (which, at least in design and idea of being a "future" Batman, is canon in the DCU), or at least a recognizable prototype. When one takes a good look at the suit, it really does look like the Nightwing suit, but with slight changes to make it distinctively a Batsuit.
* Also, the newest Batmobile is [[Flying Car|a FLYING Batmobile]] by default! I can hear the techno-metal now.
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== There are multiple Arkham Asylums around Gotham City. ==
Ignoring all of the [[Depending
== Batman is a member of the Wold Newton family. ==
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== Joker is Alfred ==
Both are thin and fit. Both super-smart. Both know Batman to his very core.
* ''[[Whatever Happened to
* In the old Batman TV series, Alfred always seemed to know exactly the device Batman could use to save the day or himself when stuck in a situation with no obvious way out. The Joker has also admitted he doesn't really want to kill the bat as Batman completes him.
== Batman ''did'' kill people at first. ==
From ''[[
{{quote| '''Bruce Wayne:''' Then it will happen this way: you make the kill, but your pain doesn't die with Harvey, it grows. So you run out into the night to find another face, and another, and another, until one terrible morning you wake up and realize that revenge has become your whole life. And you won't know why.<br />
'''Dick Grayson:''' You can't understand. Your family wasn't killed by a maniac. <br />
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* It took me a while to realize the neurosis to which you referred was the "dressing up as a bat-man and fighting criminals" and not some sort of [[Parental Abandonment|Parental Absence]] issue.
== In the ''[[
Bruce had witnessed the Graysons' deaths, noting the similarities to that of his own family. Even from that moment, he thought that this was a golden opportunity to get Dick's help in his crusade. At first, Dick wanted nothing to do with Bruce or Alfred until they both doubleteamed him and managed to pretty much bribe him into staying (with promises of good food and a motorcycle). Alfred gives Dick a heartfelt speech about 'broken wings being able to mend' and promising that 'Robin will fly again', which probably got to him. They forbade him from entering a certain room that led into the batcave, which knowing a stubborn guy like Dick would make him deadset on going in. [[Batman Gambit|Everything was carefully planned and executed by Batman]], despite his claims of not wanting a partner.
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* I support this. Insanity runs in that family.
My guess is that the baby's going to show up in Gotham in about eighteen years to mess with her half-brother's "research" either as a violent borderline psychotic ant-heroine or as a very nasty villainess. Either way, there will be [[Slap Slap Kiss|borderline]] [[Brother-Sister Incest|creepy]] [[Sibling Rivalry
== The Joker, Rorshach, Nite-Owl, The Riddler, Alfred, V, Tony Stark, Doc Samson, and Batman are all the same person. ==
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== The Joker is Heath Ledger in the afterlife ==
After Heath Ledger died he came to the DC Universe in a sort of [[Life On
* Wait,didn't the Joker kill him,in a way?[[Stable Time Loop|Oh yeah..]][[Mind Screw|Ow!My head!]]
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** But there is apparently a new Batman, as the original was said to have been killed by Darkseid, yet Bruce Wayne is confirmed still alive, but very busy in other parts of the world. Perhaps this is a coverup...
*** Bruce Wayne is Batman? Holy Secret Identities! And I never even saw that coming!
* You guys are nuts. Next you'll be saying [[Kamen Rider Fourze
== The Insider suit currently worn by Bruce Wayne in The Road Home miniseries is the basis for the Batman Beyond Batsuit. ==
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== All the [[Foe Yay]] / [[No Yay]] with the Joker is just a front ... ==
The Joker is actually a [[Shipper
== In ''Batman Forever'' Riddler knew all along ==
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That's why Batman Inc was started.
== In the [[Batman (TV series)|Adam West series]], Professor Mackelroy owes one of Tut's "Queens" child support. ==
Self-explanatory, really.
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And so he couldn't stand the sight of the Joker. Clowns are inherently unreal: they are pure artifice, literally paintings come to life. They have no place in the natural world; they have no right to exist. Bruce was filled with fear and loathing of all clown-like creatures long before the Joker appeared on the scene: note his reaction of what is arguably disgust when several men appear to him on the street disguised as mimes, and this before he knows they're working for the Joker or is even yet aware of the Joker's existence. Then, when he saw the Joker's permanent smile, he naturally connected it to the smile on the face of the mugger who shot his parents. Only a clown-like creature - a figure thoroughly illogical and nihilistic - could have caused such a senseless tragedy.
Batman remained in this psychotic state throughout the first two movies. He was not a hero at all, but a murderous paranoid - one step above a [[Serial Killer]], really - who was prepared to unthinkingly slaughter anyone who was associated with clowns. (Note the [[Disproportionate Retribution]] he visits upon the members of Penguin's Red Triangle Circus Gang.) It took the Penguin's tragic demise for him to once again see the humanity in children's entertainers, and so in ''[[
== Killer Croc will get even worse. ==
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Destruction hasn't been around much for awhile and yet, still in DCU, we have Batman and a somewhat enigmatic butler who has had spec ops level training. Curious.
== Batman is metaphysically both [[Cursed
How you may ask? the blessed side of things means that it makes it so hard for authors to convey batman's humanity if the [[Fan Dumb]] assumes that batman is in fact a [[Showy Invincible Hero]] instead of a [[Broken Ace]]. It also makes it hard for newer heroes to breakout as the fans will just clamor for more Batman. The cursed with awesome side of things: Batman's supposedly cursed with a strong inability to feel genuine happiness, but the awesome part is that he does gain a great deal of affection for having his bat family to support him.
== The Michael Keaton Batman is really Damien Wayne's grandson. ==
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