Code Geass/Headscratchers/Code and Geass Mechanics: Difference between revisions

*** That doesn't really address the question, though. Lelouch just asked them to not let time stop, and through whatever reasoning the World of C decided Charles and Marianne had to go.

*** The question had already been answered, I just explained how it could be geassed before anyone tries to ask that question.

*** From what I can tell, the two had thrown their will into the sword of Akashic. Once the sword was destroyed, so was Lelouch's parents.

** Maybe it was just the only way to could actually stop the process they started?

*** The problem here is that student is no longer at the school. She might have been interrupted by the Black Rebellion in the application of the mark. By bullets. Or she just might have left.

*** Actually, I'm almost positive that the anime hinted at that being the reason the marks even stopped, as the whole point of the student's existence is to show the viewer that Geass DOESN'T have a limited duration.

*** According to an official newsletter, the girl returned to Britannia along with the rest of the school, but at a certain time each day attempts to return to Ashford to mark the wall. Her parents and doctors believe she is sleepwalking, presumably because the Geass comes into effect during the night in Britannia.

*** As well, and this troper may very well be mistaken, but I think that her pattern was to alternate one vertical and one horizontal line, that half-mark being between an odd (or maybe even) day since the start.

*** Death Notes have a maximum age limit, so eventually the Code bearer wouldn't be affected anymore.

*** Regardless, the Death Note dismisses impossible commands, such as telling a prisoner in Japan to jump off the Eiffel Tower in the next 40 seconds. The prisoner is physically unable to die that way by any stretch of the imagination. While the prisoner defaults to a heart attack, since a heart attack won't kill a Code user, the default will be treated as impossible. The Death Note will only work if it details a plausible situation in which they would lose the Code.

*** So basically put all he would have to do would be to write "X dies after giving me the immortality code"?

*** The person would die only if their name was written by a Shinigami then. If a regular person wrote down the name it wouldn't pan out quite as well.

*** Which brings up the question of how many years a Shinigami would get for death noting a code user.

* Didn't Lelouch ever think of trying to get around the 'one Geass per person' restriction by giving a command like "obey all future orders given to you by Lelouch Lamperouge or Zero"?

** {{spoiler|Yes. The reason he didn't do at first is most likely that he thought that would have been just a bit too evil.}}

*** I'd assume that the Geass would prevent him from even thinking about thinking along those lines.

*** Why should it? If a random person, without a costume and without any indication of being Zero at all came up to him and said "I am Zero, obey me" would he have to obey them? If so, that's a pretty major flaw that wasn't really stated in the Geass command (so no [[Literal Genie]] nonsense) and if not, then the Geass allows him the freedom to question claims to Zerohood, so why would he not be permitted to question a costumed Zero?

** For that matter, whom does Schneizel recognize as Zero? First it was Lelouch even though he wasn't wearing the costume (because Schneizel knew he was Zero), now it's Suzaku. (Does Schneizel know his identity?) Is he compelled to obey anyone who dons a Zero costume?

*** It's probably not that simple. Zero isn't just the costume. He's also a resistance leader, an ideal, so on.

*** Also, consider that intent doesn't seem to have much to do with the effect, just the actual words spoken (as evidenced by the Euphinator Incident)

** Perform a bodily function that's biologically possible but can't be triggered at will, for example, "sweat" or "have an orgasm"? (No, I'm ''not'' thinking of [[Power Perversion Potential]], I'm only interested in exploring the limitations of Lelouch's Geass).

*** Hmm, this make sense when I think of it. The easiest way to fulfill a "die" command would be to stop chemical activity that supports life. Since this can't be done at will, the victims have to resort to external means, that is, killing themselves.

*** On the other hand, if even a subconscious mental trigger can cause the effect, it would surely happen. I mean, you can't intentionally forget about something, because that would require you to think about it, resulting in a paradox, and yet a "forget" Geass still works just fine. Sweating can be caused by a subconscious trigger; I suppose the orgasm command would at least cause extreme sexual arousal.

** There does seem to be a strange stop gap between commands that are impossible to carry out and the power of Geass in general. Despite Lelouch repeatedly geass-ing her to live or not die, Shirley for the most part ignored the geass completely.

*** He was too late. Shirley was too weak to help herself, and Geass can't overcome biological limitations. If she was less severely injured, the Geass would probably compel her to seek medical help.

** She would probably regenerate from the head (well im just guessing because thats where her code is), and their is a good change that Jack probably dies after living a really long time (at one point he said that people used to call him the face of boa when he was younger and that he was continuing to age), not sure where he regenerates from though, either head or heart

** Well, she DID survive getting beheaded with a guillotine, so one could assume she starts from the head. Although it'd be entertaining to see that go down, starfish style.

** Probably it's more like a magnet or possibly even a liquidization thing. You know, like how [[Hellsing|Alucard]] regenerates?

*** Code bearers are not immune to dismemberment. This troper can't recall where exactly, but he read once that after episode 25 of the first season, C.C.'s was eventually crushed by ocean pressure and she floated back up to the surface as a mess of body parts, where she eventually regenerated. The creators didn't show that because of how much [[Nightmare Fuel]] that would be.

*** Because his machine was bigger and tougher. He no doubt simply flew out when the Gawain compacted.

* In Episode 19 of season one CC said that she knew Lelouch was alive, presumably because of her connection to him with Geass. If she could 'just tell' due to that connection, why on earth did she not tell Lelouch earlier that Mao was still alive after being shot full of bullets by police?

** It would probably work for Lelouch, Charles, and anyone else who had to have eye contact. Satan knows where the Knight of One fits in to all that.

*** His Geass apparently works only when it's open because he said "I've only used this on one other person" and then opened his eye. If it worked even when it was closed then he would've used it on a lot more than one person.

*** I just assumed that since his Geass made him see the future, closing his Geass eye would be the same as closing a normal one; you see your eyelid.

* How detailed can an order be? "Lelouch vi Britannia commands you to: rewrite copies of the provided letter by hand, sign it, mail them to all your friends, transfer all your XYZ Industries stocks to the Order of the Black Knights, donate all your personal possessions to charity, go to countryside in mainland Britannia, and live the rest of your life as a hermit."

* What would happen if someone, say, [[Gurren Lagann|Kamina]], was wearing reflective sunglasses, and Lelouch tried to use the eye on him? Assuming Leoluch hadn't Geass'd himself beforehand?

** [[Hilarity Ensues]]. Even more so, depending on the angle of the glasses and their curve.

* Do immortals like C.C. ''need'' to eat? Do they have the rest of normal human physiological needs?

** Most likely not. CC just seems to REALLY enjoy pizza, and bugging Lelouch for more.

** I don't think she could die of hunger, what's with the regenerative abilities and all (even if she did, she's come back to life), but I would assume her body still functions (for example she still breathes), so she could still feel hungry. So while she wouldn't need to eat (or breathe, if she'd be willing to keep suffocating and coming back to life every 10 minutes or so), she would probably want to do so anyway

* That geass Lelouch used on Suzaku - does it mean Suzaku is immortal, or just that he can't be killed?

*** Which kind of begs the question: Would Suzaku go after C.C. (assuming he knows about her code of immortality), when he grows old and in danger of dying? Shirley being unable to not die was because she had a very limited timeframe and NO knowledge of the possibility of immortality, Suzaku however will live for at least another 50-60 years. What happens then?

*** Even if Suzaku did know how, he does not possess the means, and wouldn't be able to evolve it quickly enough to manage by the time subverting death became an overwhelming and immediate concern.

***** The SEITEN was specifically said to be overspeced. Lloyd and Cecile went overboard. For the Albion, they would have built it to work just for Suzaku, so it wouldn't be overspeced. Also, Kallen is the better pilot. Suzaku says straight-up that even with his Geass boosting him, he cannot beat her. He cannot hold back when his Geass is active. That's why he nuked Toyko in the first place. In short, he can only do with help what she can do naturally. That's solid proof of a skill difference.

*** Against the SEITEN it forced him to not hold back his last option (Fliea). Once he fired that and she dodged it, he would have been helpless to resist her finishing him off Geass or not were she not distracted by the big explosions. It really only prevents him from holding back during fights.

** Probably the same thing tha happened to Euphemia. He resists for a bit then succumbs.

** Problem is Vimes' men are more [[Genre Savvy]] than that. By the time he started issuing genocide orders, Carrot, Aunga and Detrius would have him bound, gagged, and halfway to the Unseen University. Ponder Stibbons would take a great interest but have no insight whatsoever, Ridicully would do something funny, Colon would make a poor attempt as the bad cop in the "Good Cop Bad Cop" routine. Then Ventari would confront Lelouch (wearing a blindfold, obviously), while Lenoard of Quirm would send Nobby and Colon in his "[[Time Machine|Go Backwards In Time And Hopefully Not Kill Your Own Grandfather Device]]", where the two would specatualarly fail to change the past. Then some other stuff would happen and... um, never mind. Got off track there for a moment.

* With Orange's Geass Cancel thing, what happens to commands given by Lelouch? Obviously, someone would stop acting under the order. But what about orders that were complete? I have a problem with the fact that Shirley regains memories she was told to forget, because she already forgot. They should be gone. Does the cancel "heal" the memories?

** Lelouch's geass is shown to change the target's brain structure.. Orange's Geass Cancel essentially reverses any changes made to the target's brain by Geass, which would return all lost memories, and remove any existing mental compulsions put in place by the Geass, but not undo any actions already taken because of it.

 

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