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== Webcomics ==
* In ''[[Girl Genius (Webcomic)|Girl Genius]]'' the end of Agatha and Othar's [http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20040924 little talk] {{spoiler|she pushes him over the side of an airship.}}
** DuPree. The best example is [http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20040901 her fight] with {{spoiler|Zulenna}}.
** Agatha vs. her cousin:
{{quote| {{spoiler|'''Zola Anya Talinka Venia Zeblinkya Malfeazium'''}}: Bringing a ''knife'' to a ''gun fight'' doesn't seem very smart, now does it?<br />
'''Agatha Heterodyne''': Well, I suppose it isn't that much worse than bringing a gun to a [[Clockwork Creature|clank]] fight. }}
** DuPree. The best example is [http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=2004090120120521 herA fightfour-pages long demonstration], withby the {{spoiler|Zulenna}}Jäger Generals. With comments like
{{quote|'''General Zog''': Killink hyu enemies ''alvays'' [[Body Count Competition|counts]].
** [http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20120521 The Jaegers] [http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20120523 are all over] [http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20120525 this trope].
{{quote|'''General [httpZog'''://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic hmf.php?date=20120528 "Iz ''still cheating''. But in der GOOT''goot'' vay! way."]}}
* In ''[[The Order of the Stick (Webcomic)|Order of the Stick]]'', Haley has no problem fighting ''very'' dirty. For example, she {{spoiler|ambushed Crystal as she was in the shower, catching her without her weapons, armor, and protective jewelry, and killed her while she was stunned on the floor.}} It might be argued that this is dishonorable, but aside from that being the whole ''point'', Haley is [[Chaotic Good]], not [[Chaotic Stupid]].
** Who could forget her approach to [http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0327.html the test of the mind]? Or, for that matter, [http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0565.html the return trip]?
** Considering Haley's class and the above commentary on D&D rogues, this is justified.
** Belkar also fits into this category, being quite willing to fight sneakily with a paladin and either taking potshots or using traps against her.
*** When he knocked said paladin unconscious, however, he actually waited until she woke up again instead of simply killing her. He even let her believe that she had merely become dizzy for a few seconds. He ''did'' steal and drink her healing potions while he had the chance, however. Of coure, for [[Heroic Comedic Sociopath|Belkar]], this was less about being honorable and more about pissing her off. Obviously, he can't annoy her if she's out cold. Not to mention that his plan had been {{spoiler|to let her kill him so that she lost her Paladin powers, while he [[Death Is Cheap|could get resurrected later]]}}.
*** For [[Heroic Comedic Sociopath|Belkar]], this was less about being honorable and more about pissing her off. Obviously, he can't annoy her if she's out cold. Not to mention that his plan had been {{spoiler|to let her kill him so that she lost her Paladin powers, while he could always get resurrected later}}.
*** In addition, when Belkar was confronted with the son of a Kobold he had killed, who was in full [[My Name Is Inigo Montoya|revenge mode]], he was unable to kill him due to {{spoiler|his Mark of Justice}}. So does he accept his fate? [[Karma Houdini|Hell no]]! He simply hires mercenaries mid-fight to slay him.
{{quote| '''Belkar''': "50 gp bonus to whoever makes him scream the loudest!"}}
*** Miko herself surpisingly pulled this off while appearing to be more of the [[Honor Before Reason]] type. When facing a group of enemies, she rouses them all to wake up, allows them to pick up their weapons and even lets them eat first, allegedly so it'll be a fair fight. In truth, this was all a ploy to get them into one group so they could all be hit with the same attack.
** Belkar is an even better example in the prequel book ''On The Origin of PCs'':
{{quote| '''Guard:''' You knifed seventeen people in a tavern brawl.<br />
'''Belkar:''' Hey, its not my fault they brought fists to a knife fight.<br />
'''Guard:''' It wasn't a knife fight until ''you'' started stabbing people! }}
** Vaarsuvius shows shades of this, particularly in his/her fight with {{spoiler|Zz'dtri.}}
{{quote| ''' {{spoiler|Zz'dtri}}:''' Cheater.<br />
'''Vaarsuvius''': Oh heavens! I cannot believe I violated the detailed rules and regulations we agreed upon before starting this contest! We must consult the referee for an appropriate penalty regarding my heinous transgression! }}
** During the siege of Azure City, Redcloak averts this when he accepts the duel with the human cleric while he still has an overpowering army. Later however, he plays it strange when he is proposed to a fair fight {{spoiler|by Thanh}}, who is held by an elemental summoned by Redcloak.
{{quote| '''Redcloak''': Stupid risks are just that: stupid.<br />
'''Redcloak''': Crush him. }}
*** It should be noted that Redcloak has always been pragmatic, with examples such as using Titanium Elementals instead of Earth because they are lighter yet stronger (if distasteful, not being a "classic" element); walking his hobgoblin army into certain death because he only needs them as a distraction (prior to gaining a change of heart regarding racism); creating decoys of Xykon to make the heroes guess which one's real, but then having the real one take an entirely different method of approach; etc. The reason Redcloak accepted the duel is specifically stated by himself as being because even though he could crush the cleric with his army, he does not want to waste any more hobgoblin lives when he can take him out himself. In the later case with {{spoiler|Thanh at the elemental's mercy}}, Redcloak has already won the would-be duel anyways, and so orders him killed without further delay.
** Xykon is also this. For example, in his fight with [[Death Byby Origin Story|Fyron]], he couldn't best the wizard with magic. So he [[I Surrender, Suckers|pretends to surrender]], then beats him to death [[Improvised Weapon|with his own Wizzy Award]]
** During his gladiator match against Thog, Roy uses discarded crossbow bolts as improvised shivs, [[Grievous Bottley Harm|smashes an empty potion bottle into Thog's face,]] throws sand in his eyes, and eventually wins by goading Thog into destroying the pillars holding up a section of the stands.
* Tagon, from ''[[Schlock Mercenary (Webcomic)|Schlock Mercenary]]''. His first pugil-stick practice with Schlock involved {{spoiler|slicing Schlock, and his pugil stick, in half withhave a concealed [[Razor Floss]] wire hidden in his shoes. Don't worry, Schlock can survive that sortlot of thing.}}this. His second, against the neophant Chisulo, involved lobbing the pugil stick into his opponent's '[[EyeBig Scream]]Book from across the ring. ''[[Fictionalof DocumentWar|The Seventy Maxims of Maximally Effective Mercenaries]]'' deals heavily in this trope;, including Maxim 31 even explicitly states: "Only cheaters prosper".
** Tagon's first pugil-stick practice with Schlock involved {{spoiler|slicing Schlock, and his pugil stick, in half with a concealed [[Razor Floss]] hidden in his shoes. Of course, Schlock can survive that sort of thing}}. He also used flight functionality of his low-profile armor for a corrected jump, but it's not clear whether that's cheating. His second, against an [[Uplifted Animal|uplifted elephant]], involved lobbing the pugil stick into his opponent's [[Eye Scream|eye]] from across the ring.
{{quote| '''Chisulo''': I'm pretty sure that's cheating.<br />
'''Tagon''': I'm sorry, did you just say, "Thank you sir, may I have another?"<br />
'''Chisulo''': Thank you sir! Point...um...taken. }}
* Bun-Bun from ''[[Sluggy Freelance]]'' just plain ''loves'' this trope. Some examples:
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** [http://www.sluggy.com/daily.php?date=990330 Putting his "friends" in rabbit costumes to act as decoys.]
** [http://sluggy.com/daily.php?date=990404 Using a robot's programming to make it jump into molten steel.]
** [https://web.archive.org/web/20120922020447/http://www.sluggy.com/daily.php?date=010624 Shoving a gun up someone's nose, then, when they try to dig it out, hit them with a barstool] [[Gorn|setting the gun off and driving their arm elbow deep into their own head, simultaneously]].
** [https://web.archive.org/web/20100610114841/http://sluggy.com/daily.php?date=010701 Throwing someone out the airlock.]
** [https://web.archive.org/web/20141021161745/http://www.sluggy.com/daily.php?date=010723 Using a spaceship's artificial gravity to knock people out.]
** [https://web.archive.org/web/20100820064749/http://www.sluggy.com/daily.php?date=050222 Using knockout gas to capture a bunch of villagers]
** [https://web.archive.org/web/20141022034759/http://www.sluggy.com/daily.php?date=050925 Electrocuting his opponent.]
** [https://web.archive.org/web/20100612035931/http://sluggy.com/daily.php?date=051211 And hitting him with a log from behind.]
** [https://web.archive.org/web/20100820064759/http://sluggy.com/daily.php?date=060115 And setting him on fire.]
** [https://web.archive.org/web/20100612034054/http://sluggy.com/daily.php?date=060118 And cutting his limbs off with hedge clippers.]
** [https://web.archive.org/web/20100611152526/http://www.sluggy.com/daily.php?date=090518 Threatening to kill the person his opponent loves, throwing a flower pot at their face to distract them, then running off to follow through on their threat.]
** [https://web.archive.org/web/20090601065857/http://www.sluggy.com/daily.php?date=090528 Trying to slow his opponent down by giving her some "innocent bystanders to slice up."]
** [https://web.archive.org/web/20150911011145/http://www.sluggy.com/daily.php?date=090605 Pulling a gun during a knife fight.] Scratch that. Pulling a gun ''out of [[Hammerspace]]'' during a knife fight.
*** [http://www.sluggy.com/comics/archives/daily/080425 torg facing lod moldy pantss in a magic duel pulls out a shot gun] [http://www.sluggy.com/comics/archives/daily/080504 he also shot first]
*** [http://www.sluggy.com/comics/archives/daily/020622 torg and the truth brick]
* TFA Prowl in the ''[[Insecticomics]]'' teaches his class to use any available item as a weapon. When Laserbeak tries to call him on this, [http://www.insecticons.com/insecticomics/v5/437.html he kicks her aft with a sandwich.]
* Mr. Raven from ''[[El Goonish Shive (Webcomic)|El Goonish Shive]]''
{{quote| '''Wizard:''' Have you no honor?<br />
'''Raven:''' The lives of my students are more important. }}
* Karcharoth and Fenrir of ''[[Cry Havoc]]'' do whatever they think they need to in order to survive and win.
* Rocky the rogue from ''[[Our Little Adventure (Webcomic)|Our Little Adventure]]'' stands out in their adventuring group.
* King Eric in ''[[Yet Another Fantasy Gamer Comic (Webcomic)|Yet Another Fantasy Gamer Comic]]'' is known as great and just man and all that, but once the gloves are off, they are... ''[http://yafgc.net/?id=258 really off]''.
* In ''[[Errant Story]]'', Jon Amraphel is the only main character without any magical ability. How does he cope with fighting [[Magic Knight]] elven military, [[Warrior Monk|monks]] with [[Bullet Time]] [[Super Speed]], and tiny fairy demigods? By a) being [[The Gunslinger|very good with guns]], and b) cheating like hell. Being a semi-retired assassin, he does his best to avoid anything like a face-to-face fight.
* Pinton the Pig in ''Future Pig'' is definitely this. See him teach it to a student [http://www.futurepig.com/fut065.html here.]
* Dark Pegasus from ''[[DMFA]]'' not only [http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_923.php disintegrates an enemy in mid-speech], but then finishes his speech by mocking his enemies for allowing him to do that.
* Jack Noir in ''[[Homestuck (Webcomic)|Homestuck]]'' is a big fan of teleporting behind people and stabbing them in the back. Though he is omnipotent, so perhaps he doesn't count.
** Winning his immortality by {{spoiler|killing the Black Queen with the bunny}} does, however.
** Vriska Serket and her ancestor, Marquise Mindfang have no qualms with using their psychic powers to use others to kill or maim their opponents.
** Dave is not above using his friend {{spoiler|who their foe cannot bring himself to harm}} as a human shield. AUTO-HARLEY!
* ''[[The Non-Adventures of Wonderella]]'' presents: "[http://nonadventures.com/2011/07/09/pick-your-battles/ PICK Your Battles]".
 
 
== Web Original ==
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** If I'm sitting in my camp, hear a twig snap, start to investigate, then encounter a small woodland creature, I will send out some scouts anyway just to be on the safe side. (If they disappear into the foliage, I will not send out another patrol; I will break out the napalm.)
** 201.) Under no circumstances will I ever, EVER give a weapon back to the hero engaged with me in a duel. Sporting chances are for sissies.
* In ''[[The Gamers Alliance (Roleplay)|The Gamers Alliance]]'', several heroes and villains fight dirty whenever they can; very few characters actually try to fight in a gentlemanly manner.
* Sensei Ito, one of the martial arts instructors at [[Super -Hero School|Whateley Academy]] in the [[Whateley Universe (Literature)|Whateley Universe]], has created an entire fighting style around this. He's a little old man with no mutant powers, and he can take down flying bricks, avatars, you name it. He's fighting (and training) mutants, so you know he isn't going to fight fair.
** One should note, of course, that some folks {{spoiler|- including Ayla -}} doubt that Ito is actually ''just'' a [[Badass Normal]]. One of the prevailing theories is that he's also {{spoiler|either a secret mutant, or ''very'' experienced at Ki manipulation. Odds are weighted towards the Ki manipulation.}}
** Erik Mahren, {{spoiler|before his emergence as a mutant.}} As one of the range instructors, he's the one who okays {{spoiler|or used to}} what is and is not allowed to be used on the range. And he ''is'' a [[Badass Normal]], and is more than capable of defending himself against most of the students at Whateley - even the ones who think it's funny to sneak up behind people and stab them in the kidneys.
* In ''[[The Salvation War]]'', the demons accuse the humans of fighting dishonorably by using long-ranged artillery, airstrikes, tanks, and long-range rifles rather than fight the demons in hand-to-hand combat. Or at least, the demons ''try'' to, but the humans are too busy slaughtering their Bronze-Age armies wholesale to listen.
* Sup guy extraordinaire ''Johnny Rocketfingers''.
* Pretty much everyone in ''[[DarwinsDarwin's Soldiers (Roleplay)|Darwins Soldiers]]'' fights dirty but Dr. Kerzach probably fights the dirtiest.
* In ''[[Suburban Knights (Web Video)|Suburban Knights]]'', the [[That Guy With the Glasses (Website)|That Guy With theThe Glasses]] crew tries to play along the fantasy scenario, only using (fake) swords. But when the Cloaks use a machine gun, [[The Angry Joe Show (Web Video)|Angry Joe]] uses his gun. And in a climactic battle, [[Atop the Fourth Wall (Web Video)|Linkara]] goes "screw this" before dropping his sword and grabbing his gun, and while Joe is using his SMG again, [[Obscurus Lupa]] grabs a spare and starts shooting as well.
* Darth Apparatus from ''[[The Gungan Council (Roleplay)|The Gungan Council]]'', a Sith, has thrown sand in eyes, used blasters, and bombs in order to win in a universe where his comrades will use only the Force and their lightsabers.
 
 
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