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*** Although, in her defense, she does occasionally show that she knows what she's talking about when it comes to psychiatry. In a certain Catwoman arc, she actually helps Catwoman work through some of her latent guilt and worries about Selina's younger sister, Maggie.
*** A version of Dr. Quinnzel's first meeting with Joker from ''[[Harley Quinn]]'' shows her seeking him out with the name "Harley Quinn" already in mind. If he drove her mad, she was willing to carpool.
**** Batman actually warns a shrink when she [[Florence Nightingale Effect|feels sympathy for him]] that this is likely to happen.
** Jeremiah Arkham, who used to run Arkham Asylum and is now one of its highest-profile inmates. Not to mention his forebear, Amadeus Arkham, who ended up as Gotham's first vigilante murderer.
** Psychoanalyzing The Scarecrow is possibly even more hazardous than a session with Joker, since Scarecrow's in the habit of sneaking in some fear toxin and taking a quiet, academic interest in why the therapist is suddenly scratching out his own eyes. Doesn't help that he's an actual psychologist himself either.
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* Therapist Dr. Ellen Whitby fell in love with [[Deadpool]] when he was briefly institutionalized. There was no way it could end well, and it didn't.
 
== [[Fan Works]] ==
* In the [[Alternate Universe Fic|AU]] ''[[Death Note]]'' fic ''[[Point of Succession]]'' this happens to pretty much everone with [[Another Note|BB]]. Like [[The Joker]], BB isn't so much insane as he is "[[Crazy Sane|super]] [[The Unfettered|sane]]" and [[Infectious Insanity|anyone who tries to get into his head will regret it.]] So far the one's who seem to be most affected by BB's [[Break Them by Talking|little chats]] are [[Reluctant Psycho|Light]] who, in this universe, is the criminal [[The Profiler|profiler]] who took BB on as a subject of study and later {{spoiler|[[Face Heel Turn|Mello]] ([[Stockholm Syndrome|the kid BB kidnapped]])}}.
 
 
== Film ==
* ''[[Analyze This]]'' does the unnerving bit, since the psychologist has reason to fear his patient will end up putting him and his family in legal trouble among other things.
* [[Deconstructing Harry]] has a psychoanalyst who married a former patient; they ended up getting divorced and she still seems very hurt by the experience, some years down the line.
* While not dangerous to the psychologist, ''[[Don Juan Demarco]]'' is clearly a case where the analyst was affected more than the patient.
* Used as a throwaway gag in ''[[Dracula: Dead and Loving It]]''. [[The Renfield|Renfield]] is sitting in his cell at the asylum, when another man speaks to him through the slot, saying he can't take it there anymore, the screams, the crazy faces, that the walls are closing in on him, etc. Then his boss tells him to get back to work. Turns out he's a security guard, not a patient.
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* By the end of ''[[Quills]]'', {{spoiler|the Abbe du Coulmier, who ran the asylum where the Marquis de Sade was housed, has lot his mind and become just like his former patient, even carrying on his writings}}.
* Played with in the second and third ''[[Terminator]]'' films. Neither the patient [Sarah Connor] nor the therapist is crazy. The therapist just prefers to ''think'' he is insane than to accept that her story could be correct.
** And that's totally understandable until halfway through the third movie.
* This is basically the plot of ''[[What About Bob]]'' although it's a variation: The therapist is on vacation and the patient follows him. This is mixed with a hearty dollop of [[The Cobbler's Children Have No Shoes]].
 
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* In a softened form, one of the central themes of [[In Treatment]], leading Paul to act unprofessionally and/or fail to help several of his patients in differing ways. Notably with Laura in Season 1, April in Season 2, and {{spoiler|Sunil}} in Season 3.
* This happened with the title character of ''[[Becker]]''.
* [[Monty Python's Flying Circus|John Cleese]] wrote a half-hour sketch in which Ronnie Barker plays a psychiatrist treating a man who thinks he's being stalked by a dwarf. Barker is skeptical at first, until the dwarf turns up in his office. The patient is relieved to know that he isn't crazy after all, but as he walks out, the dwarf vanishes...
* [[Seinfeld|George Costanza]] once drove a therapist to suicide.
* In ''[[Seven Days]]'', Frank's psychiatrist storms into the supervisor's office ranting about Frank's impossible psychiatric state. Apparently he has a god complex and a martyr complex at the same time and likes tormenting the poor doctor.
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* Likewise, an episode of ''[[Perfect Strangers]]'' had a reporter for the ''Chicago Sun'' be talked out of jumping after reporting on [[Humans Are Bastards|human bastardy]] made him depressed.
* ''[[Muppets Tonight]]'' did a sketch where Kermit goes to psychiatrist Sandra Bullock, complaining that every time he hears the word "phenomenon", the singers from the old "Manna Manna" song suddenly appear and start singing. Bullock asks if she can try it, says "phenomenon", and joins in the singing, leaving Kermit even more disconcerted.
* Inverted in ''[[Red Dwarf]]'' when we learn that Rimmer once volunteered on the Samaritans' suicide prevention hotline.
{{quote|'''Rimmer''': I used to be with the Samaritans.
'''Lister''': I know. For one morning.
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* A non-villainous example: in one episode of ''[[Monk]]'' when his psychiatrist retired, Monk mentioned that every time he had to find a new therapist he ended up driving several to early retirement before he found one who could tolerate him. Also, Dr. Kroeger frequently looks like he is one OCD tick away from losing it.
** A variant has, after Monk is taken in by a cult, Lt. Disher tries to deprogram him. The others quickly find him shirtless and singing hymns with Monk, then have to stop him from going to the bank to withdraw all his money.
* Dr. Hopper in [[Once Upon a Time (TV series)|Once Upon a Time]] had a few of these moments, most prominently in the second episode where he essentially sold Emma out to Regina. He had another moment where he put "David" ([[Prince Charming]]) under hypnosis. David said something that incriminated Mary Margaret for murder, but Archie didn't bother questioning it. In the second to last episode, he also gave Emma some ''horrible'' advice that would have resulted in her leaving town and putting Henry back with Regina, so Regina could continue emotionally abusing the kid and bullying the townsfolk (Hopper included) without interference.
 
 
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** Also appears in ''[[Hunter: The Vigil]]'', particularly with Slashers of the Genius and Maniac variety. Extended conversation with them allows them to create derangements, alter your morality, predict your every move, and otherwise screw with your head. Fitting, since they're based on Hannibal Lecter, The Joker, and others.
** The corebook for ''[[Promethean: The Created]]'' opens with a psychiatrist called in to interview a "[[Frankenstein's Monster|Mr. Verney]]" who's held in police custody. The interview actually leads to her {{spoiler|recalling that she's a former Promethean who managed to achieve mortality... and Verney's arranged the whole thing, believing she's been working with his twisted "bride"...}}
* Inverted in [[Call of Cthulhu (tabletop game)]], where a fumble on a psychoanalyst roll makes the ''patient'' lose SAN points. Although there's nothing keeping the sadistic GM from also inflicting SAN loss for psychoanalyzing the minds of those touched by the Cthulhu Mythos...
* Somewhat implied in the [[Unknown Armies]] supplement ''Post Modern Magick'', which mentions that trying to treat adepts (insane magicians) in an mental institution is risky. The corebook, however, doesn't use this trope in the normal rules for curing madness (but GM can certainly inflict madness checks on the therapist if he feels it appropriate).
* In the old second edition of [[Dungeons and Dragons|AD&D]], there was a bard kit called the Jester, which played up the silly and chaotic nature of the character. Attempts to read a jester's mind could result in [[Standard Status Effects|Confusion]] for the caster.
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== Web Original ==
* It's quite dangerous indeed to try and psychoanalyze [[Cosmic Horror|certain]] [[Complete Monster|SCPs]] - or, for that matter, the staff of the ''[[SCP Foundation]]''.
 
 
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*** [[He Who Fights Monsters]] indeed.
*** They sometimes call it codependency, and it is usually played straight, though it can have its comic side once you dumped that partner.
** Another high-risk field is psychologists who work with survivors of abuse. Some of the things human beings can inflict on each other are truly horrifying.
*** And Police Officers who end up dealing with the aftermath of such cases are also a high-risk group.
*** Medical professionals, too. ''Especially'' pediatricians.