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*** The citizens were freaked out, so they blamed it on an opium binge. Humans have an amazing capacity of self-deception, because [[Status Quo Is God|the public will always refuse the existence of aliens.]]
*** It's reasonable to assume that, without having witnessed it first-hand, and with no surviving evidence as to what actually happened, she wouldn't have a clue what went on. And, just no be nit-picky, the {{spoiler|giant robot}} ''wasn't'' alien in origin, and nor, strictly speaking, were the Cybermen who built it.
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** {{spoiler|500 feet? Closer to 90, 100 tops. Still noticably large yes, still a [[Humongous Mecha]], but 500feet is silly. I can think of several mecha including [[Real Robot|Real Robots]] that size wise far outclass it... and if you include [[Super Robot|Super Robots]] its easy-peezy.}}
** How did the Doctor recognise the Cyberking as a ship, when no such thing has ever been built by the Cybus Cybermen? Let's not forget, these ''aren't'' the Cybermen he's been encountering intermittently throughout his life; the only contact he's had with them was in "Rise of the Cybermen" and "Army of Ghosts".
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** For the first one, {{spoiler|her death was a fixed point in time, and the Daleks were somehow aware of that and didn't want to screw things up for themselves by interfering.}} The second, well, {{spoiler|The Doctor is INSANE at this point. There are probably Cosmic Horrors that would run away from him. It's also possible that, given she killed herself almost immediately afterwards, not much has changed. The other two were referred to as "Small people" meaning their existence probably doesn't have a big impact on the timeline.}}
** I thought for the first one that {{spoiler|the Dalek spared her life because of Davros ordering everyone back to the Crucible.}}
* So, {{spoiler|[[Tricked
** Because the Doctor {{spoiler|wanted to ''defy'' Time. Leaving history (apparently) the same as he found it wouldn't have been good enough for him in that mood.}}
** I thought the whole episode was to show the Doctor that even if he is the only Time Lord, time will always snap back into place (that is, the event will happen) at those fixed points, whether he wants it to or not. Also, the Reapers were paradox eaters- ie {{spoiler|Rose touching her younger self}} is a paradox, whereas the paradox for Adalaide was fixed almost immediately. Also, is it just me, or {{spoiler|are they working up to a breakdown of Houseian proportions (hearing voices, seeing Ood Sigma)? WHO WILL BE HIS WILSON??}}
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* In the same vain as the previous querry, why does Adelaide's suicide "fix" the timeline? We learn that her grand-daughter went into space having been inspired by her grandmother's heroic death on Mars; committing suicide on Earth under mysterious circumstances is ''not'' going to have the same effect.
** Here's my best understanding of how ''Doctor Who'' [[Temporal Mutability]] works. [[The Butterfly Effect]] is not nearly as much the case as scientists belive in the real world. Time (to the extent that it's correct to personify it) cares deeply that fixed events happen, and it ''doesn't'' care as much about the logic of their happening, even when one fixed event leads to another. So if "Adelaide's death inspires granddaughter Susie" is a fixed event, then by God it's going to happen, even if the logic of it seems strange. (Continued in next bullet)
** I'll admit I don't find this system very narratively or logically satisfying; my intuitions about history are a bit more Butterfly Effect-driven. But I grant this "[["Close Enough" Timeline]]" thing to the show, especially since the fundamental premise of hopping about from one famous event to another doesn't work quite so well without it. (In the very first story, the characters interacted with cavepeople; by my understanding of history, this would be very likely to mean that a specific distant-future event, like the ''Titanic'', wouldn't happen in exactly the way we know it, unless [[You Already Changed the Past]] is in effect, which, in ''Doctor Who'', it very often is.) (Continued in next bullet)
** In any case, because the cause of the Bowie Base team's deaths (in the old timeline) had been completely mysterious, Susie Fontana Brooke ''didn't'' know whether it was heroic or not, so there's that. (Done. Whew!)
** Actually, we have no confirmation that Adelaide's suicide "fixed" the timeline any moreso than her survival would have done. We know that her original death on Mars led to the standard future. We know that her new suicide on Earth leads to a very similar future. What we don't know is what would have happened if she just took the Doctor's advice and lived her life. We didn't have, for instance, a repeat of Father's Day, wherein the reapers start eating people until the timeline is (relatively) back in place.
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