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== [[Fridge Brilliance]] ==
* I love one piece of Fridge Brilliance in ''[[Dogma]]''. The Metatron expresses himself as a Seraphim, being the highest choir of angels. In angelology, one of the defining features of seraphim is that they cannot tell a lie -- everlie—ever. And that's ''exactly'' what the Metatron does. He almost compulsively answers with the truth to every question. Watch the film again; not once does he ever lie or fail to tell the truth to Bethany. When he's asked an inconvenient question, he always tells the truth -- buttruth—but usually in a literal way. When Bethany asks him why God wants her to handle it: "Because of who you are." Bethany asks him, "And who am I?" The absolutely truthful answer would be, "Jesus Christ's descendant", but the Metatron's quick -- andquick—and strictly speaking, truthful -- replytruthful—reply is "The girl in the [[P Js]]! Stop asking so many questions!" -Saintheart
* As has been noted [[Conversation in the Main Page|many, many times on this page]], indulgences do ''not'' work the way the movie says they do. Then again, the movie is all about [[Alternative Character Interpretation|alternate interpretation, be it of the Bible, angels, human beings, and even God himself]]. Why should indulgences be exempt from it?
** The ending provides a quite literal example of [[Deus Ex Machina]] when Bethany pulls God off life support. God out of the machine indeed.
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*** Considering the previous sentence was "No denomination's nailed it yet," it's hard to read Serendipity as including those things. And also, the "faith" one has is science is widely considered to be fundamentally different. And she said "it doesn't matter what you have faith in", not "it's important that you have faith that the universe is mostly constant". What if I have faith that the universe is random and [[Murphy's Law|mostly shitty]]? According to Serendipity's logic, especially if it doesn't just mean religious faith, that's fine too, and still much better than not having faith at all.
** Serendipity's whole speech also seems to contradict Rufus's idea that we shouldn't have beliefs, just ideas.
*** Rufus doesn't say you shouldn't have beliefs. He just says it's ''better'' to have ideas because ideas can be changed a lot more easily than beliefs can. This is dropping the anvil on the concept of Papal infallibility and that man's understanding of God must change as society moves from the medieval to the "enlightened". As for Serendipity -- itSerendipity—it's expressed in pop cliche, but "Don't matter what faith you have, so long as you have faith" is basically to wear the fundamental concepts of one's religion -- hopereligion—hope, love, and charity -- incharity—in one's heart rather than pay them as lip service, that God prefers what your heart inclines you to do rather than what you formulaically do according to childhood drilling. This is ''complementary'' to Rufus's suggestion it's better to have ideas rather than beliefs; that you pay more attention to your conscience and to the intent behind the words than the literal words themselves. Also, an actual moment of [[Fridge Brilliance]] -- Serendipity—Serendipity is a ''muse''. It's her job to ''inspire'' people, not work out the fine detail -- shedetail—she gets writer's block the moment she comes to Earth. So of course she's going to push inspiration and faith -- becausefaith—because ''they're what she is.''
** More trashing of this [[Fridge Logic|logic]], which somewhat clichéedly applies to most relativist positions: if it really doesn't matter what you have faith in, then what's wrong with the faith that a dogmatic Catholic has that hers is the only correct interpretation of God's word, and those who don't believe it and receive the sacrifice are damned for all eternity? (Or the parallel Calvinist's view, or whatever)?
*** Catholic dogma's a little more flexible than that. Per the Nicene Creed, the Church -- aChurch—a human agency -- onlyagency—only ''acknowledges'' one baptism for the forgiveness of sins, but it also accepts God's grace is wider than that, and all things being possible to God, that a person of another faith nonetheless living a good life might still (at God's sole discretion) be saved. The Creed does ''not'' say that Catholicism is the ''only'' available path; it only says that it doesn't recognise any others, but that God is omnipotent and might choose to save someone even though they're not Catholic.
 
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