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== Alpha didn't perform the remote wipe. ==
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* Caroline is the direct-action type. We saw her break into the lab in "Echoes" and try to take the Dollhouse down from the inside in "Needs." It's not a stretch to imagine her pulling an operation in the style of PETA or Earth Liberation Front against Rossum, who in turn agreed to settle privately with Caroline rather than pressing charges.
** [[I Knew It!|Confirmed]] in [[S 02 E 11]]. Caroline tried to blow up Rossum's headquarters and referred to herself as a terrorist.
** Further support can be found in flashbacks to her intake conversation with De Witt [in the pilot?] where she seems to be coerced into it, fleeing from the consequences of her actions. Perhaps someone got killed because of what she did? (The [https://web.archive.org/web/20100816170734/http://www.hulu.com/watch/72274/dollhouse-dollhouse-season-one-recap#s-p1-st-i1 Season One Recap] on Hulu strongly suggests that this is exactly what happened.)
** Wasn't it mentioned several times over in Echoes that the lab was owned by Rossum and that Adelle learned of Caroline's strength/loss through the break-in?
'''2. Caroline knew Alpha before she became Echo.'''
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In the second season, Caroline's personality will be put back into Echo. Unfortunately, she is still physically a doll; Caroline will only be an imprint. She will glitch like crazy. Alpha will likely cause all this.
 
Somehow, <s>Darla</s> Echo will be killed sometime around the middle of the third season. The mind of Caroline will be saved somehow, probably by a redeemed Topher, only for him to be [[Redemption Equals Death|killed]] after a beautiful day in the sun. Caroline will spend the rest of the season as a resurrected crimefighter, having to jump from body to body because it is dangerous for non-actives to be imprinted. Then someone will grow a new body for her. This will probably be a Doctor Saunders/Whiskey (see below), who has received an [[Took a Level Inin Badass|upgrade]] from [[The Woobie|Woobie]] status. The problem is, if you can create one body, you can create two at twice the price.
 
Season Four's antagonist will be "Dark Caroline" or some other appropriate fan nickname. Prvt. Pyle!Victor, Priya!Sierra, and Caroline!Echo2 will soon learn, this was all a [[Xanatos Gambit]] by Dewitt to have individuals infiltrate <s>Wolfram & Hart</s> the Rossum Corporation and shape it to her wishes.
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** I reckon they could be related. While it's understandable he'd be freaked out under the circumstances, Topher seemed absolutely ''digusted'' at the concept of waking up with [[Amy Acker]] in his bed. Like he's embarrassed by the implication he's getting turned on by his sister..?
'''2. Topher imprinted Whiskey with some of himself'''
* It explains how she was able to hack into his personal computer--somethingcomputer—something even Alpha couldn't do. Furthermore, she hates him because he hates himself.
'''4. Topher likes Whiskey.''''
* In the man-reaction sort of way. And so, to avoid temptation (because he's really a good guy), he imprints the new Dr. Saunders with a distaste for him.
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** It would predict multiple actors for Alpha. If he's a stand-alone complex, he can change Dolls without the Dollhouse machinery. Hostile takeovers also become an option - he could override a Dollhouse-assigned imprint.
'''4. Alpha wasn't an aberration or a freak event. He was a near miss.'''
* The ultimate purpose of the Dollhouse is to synthesize an ultimate polymath. Alpha was almost -- butalmost—but not quite -- whatquite—what they were aiming for. That's why DeWitt is so happy with Echo's progress -- sheprogress—she wants her to become like Alpha, only not homicidal (which would be the near miss part).
'''5. One of the imprints that surfaced during Alpha's composite event is Topher.'''
* As suggested below, it seems likely that when Topher did his diagnostic-birthday-thing, he imprinted Sierra with his own personality.
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** Jossed by "Epitaph Two" - neither Alpha nor Echo had sufficient skills to build the device, only Topher did.
 
== Alpha is [[Firefly (TV series)|Wash]]. ==
Wash is a [[Doctor Who|timelord.]] {{spoiler|When he died}} in ''Serenity,'' Zoe and Mal left too early for them to see the {{spoiler|regeneration energy}}. He then left to come to the 21st century and was caught up with the Dollhouse. Eventually, he was turned into an Active. As for why {{spoiler|he still looks the same after his regeneration}}, maybe he's found a way to control his regeneration. His TARDIS? Probably one of those plastic dinosaurs on the console in the cabin.
* If he's a time lord, then he wouldn't need to regenerate because only one of his hearts was pierced. He was perfectly fine and he faked death
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* It seems that the Actives have more than just experience or skills. They seem to be closer to manufactured versions of Taskmaster from [[Marvel Comics]] (or for a less obscure reference, that chick with superhuman muscle memory from ''[[Heroes (TV series)|Heroes]]''). They don't seem entirely human. They seem "better". As the cop chasing after the Dollhouse explained, you ''can'' hire the world's best whatever...but Dollhouse can give you better for a slightly higher fee.
** He went to the Dollhouse instead of somebody else because he already had a relationship with them. DeWitt does call him a "valued customer," after all.
* You may be able to hire the best hostage negotiator currently alive, but the Dollhouse can mix and match the personality to make you a better one than any who ever lived. More importantly, the hostage thing was an emergency which the manager didn't seem eager to respond to. Judging by what we've seen so far, on ordinary day to day assignments, the Dollhouse is like a luxury whorehouse, only it can give you what money can't buy you anywhere else: Authenticity. The Dollhouse can set you up with a date who has ''genuine'' feelings for you; it can give you the real thing, whatever that is to you. This is something people are willing to pay any price for: [httphttps://web.archive.org/web/20220426010607/https://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/benjamin_wallace_on_the_price_of_happiness.html\%5C] [httphttps://web.archive.org/web/20220426010608/https://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/joseph_pine_on_what_consumers_want.html\%5C] There's no doubt about the marketability and profitability of such an enterprise. Getting it known among your customers while keeping it secret from the rest of the world (so secret that the rest of the world doesn't believe it exists) is a different matter.
** As for the source of the imprints, here's a theory: Psychology/Medical studies. The people bankrolling the Dollhouse obviously have a strong network in the mental sciences, so it's not too much of a stretch to think that people who sign up for clinical studies are being recorded for imprints.
* There's discretion. You can hire the world's best X, but then you have to depend on the expert valuing confidentiality. Or you can make a temporary X and know that once the job is done, no one will know that you hired a bank robber, assassin, or someone to do [[Girl Genius|something with a tea cozy and only one spoon for forty-three hours]].
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== Alpha wants to make Echo into someone like him ==
Setting up the [[Hunting the Most Dangerous Game]] scenario was all part of his plan to force Echo to evolve or die. Somehow, when he encountered her on his post-integration rampage, he recognized that she had the potential to undergo that same integration; he knows that only some form of great stress can force the memories out--andout—and indeed, something in the poisoned water or being hunted caused Echo to hallucinate past 'lives' and buck her conditioning. At least one ghost of a memory survived past the wipe.
* As a corollary: it's possible that Alpha is obsessed with making her 'wake up' because they knew each other before they became dolls. [[Love Makes You Evil]] and all that.
** Alternately, Alpha is the reason Echo became an Active. He was assigned to bring her in after the events flashed back to in 1x07, and feels responsible for her as a result. (And that was the reason he went crazy?)
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== Eventually, if the show runs long enough, Echo WILL be rented by a woman. ==
There's no way that isn't on the schedule to happen at some point. [[Joss Whedon]] gets credit from the left for not side-stepping the issue of homosexuality; he has a ready made "don't judge" moral (someone important in the woman's life disapproves and tries to kill them); and there's plenty of opportunity for [[Fan Service]].
* Topher will [[Firefly (TV series)|be in his bunk.]]
* According to [https://web.archive.org/web/20091225015101/http://www.afterellen.com/people/2009/2/eliza-dushku-interview?page=0%2C0 this] interview, no homosexuality for the first 13 episodes. It will show up in the second season, assuming they don't get [[Screwed by the Network|screwed]] again.
* Thrown a bone by Episode 9, in which Dr. Saunders mentions that homosexual encounters are the most popular reason Dolls are rented out.
* {{spoiler|Confirmed, retroactively, in 2x08; all of Echo's past romantic engagements are being murdered by Alpha, and some of them are women.}}
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== The Dollhouse is the centuries-prior predecessor to the Academy. ==
[[Firefly (TV series)|The Academy]] makes use of powerful mental control and subliminal messaging to control its agents. This could easily be a refined version of the basic imprinted personalities used on the Actives. Over five centuries, they improved the technology to its present state in the ''[[Firefly (TV series)|Firefly]]'' Verse, though it seems they can't quite get the tech to develop psychic powers to produce perfectly mentally stable agents....
* So, keep your eyes open for the episode where an Active goes berserk after seeing an ad for Nature Valley granola bars! (All right, [[FOX]] would have to pay for that [[Product Placement]], but still...)
** But wait, wasn't that [[Universal]]?
*** If it is Universal, then the odds of an Active going berserk over a granola bar [[Product Placement]] approach certainty.
* And when the Operative says he has no name, he means that literally -- theyliterally—they deleted his name along with the rest of his personality. River only escaped the personality scrub because she's psychic.
** Would also explain why Earth has been abandoned in the Firefly 'verse, {{spoiler|what with the Apocalypse and all. All the Firefly people are descendants of ihabitants of Safe Haven}}
 
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{{spoiler|Jossed}}
 
== Penny from ''[[DoctorDr. HorriblesHorrible's Sing -Along Blog]]'' is an Active ==
We've got WMGs for the rest of the Whedonverse, why not complete the set? {{spoiler|The ELE hired Penny because they recognised Billy's potential but wanted to stamp out his idealistic streak. They got an Active to become Billy's dream girl before crushing his spirit, causing him to fall to genuine evil. Of course, getting an Active killed would probably be extremely expensive, so those so inclined could probably use this as a theory of how she might have survived.}}
* Sure, where does Sugarshock fit in then?
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== There is no mole ==
Topher inputted the subversive subroutine at the behest of Adelle so that Paul Ballard would back down for the time being -- shebeing—she knew he wouldn't back down entirely, but at least this gave them some time to come up with another [[Xanatos Gambit]] to keep him from finding the Dollhouse. (And as Echo said, "You have to let the Dollhouse win.")
 
The mention of a single person on the inside to Agent Ballard was to throw him for a mental loop and confuse him enough to both have him worried about protecting Mellie and get him out of the FBI. In other words, it's a [[Mind Screw]].
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"Dollhouse: Awakening" sounds a hell of a lot like a finale. It's only the eighth episode. Yep, [[The Firefly Effect]] lives on.
** [[The Other Wiki]] says the eighth episode is called Needs, and involves Echo, Sierra and Victor regaining part of their real personalities. Sounds more like a turning point in the arc-plot, not a finale.
** ALL 13 episodes WILL be shown on Fox (apart from on April 17th17, when there isn't an episode because of [[Prison Break]]).
** Well, not exactly; only 12 of the 13 episodes were shown, with the last being available only on DVD. But since the show was renewed for a second season, this theory has been [[Jossed]].
 
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* [[Doctor Who|The Doctor]] is a Doll on assignment. The TARDIS is his handler.
** I think my brain just imploded...
** The Time Lords invented imprinting technology and the Dollhouse are actually using stolen tech they found inside Wash's crashed TARDIS. (see "Alpha is [[Firefly (TV series)|Wash]]" above)
*** The Dollhouse technology is simply a modified Chameleon Arch, stolen from Wash's TARDIS.
** The Time Lords actually sent the Doctor out on assignments, which he interprets as his rebellious misadventures, which the Time Lords knew would prevent greater disaster, so he is essentially a Sleeper Active. But now that the Time Lords are gone, he is a Doll with no assignment, which creates his angst.
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The events of episode 10 represent either a dry run, or a rediscovery by the Los Angeles branch of this particular function.
* If you like, you can combine it with the "the Dollhouse's ultimate purpose is to produce polymaths" theory above, and say that the plan is to allow their customers, after they die, to wake up in young attractive bodies knowing kung fu.
* The department Adelle was working for before her transfer to the Dollhouse--researchingDollhouse—researching growing organs from stem cells--actuallycells—actually is working up to creating entire clone bodies, so as not to have to rely on a ready supply of dolls.
* Wait a minute - did you just say [[Battlestar Galactica|"Resurrection"]]?
* This doesn't really work though. The original person (Their 'soul', I guess) stays dead, the dollhouse just creates a copy. It's like with vampires in Joss' other work- they may look like you, act like you, have your memories, they may even think they are you... but the original you is still dead. Of course, strictly speaking this means that all the dolls' original personalities are also technically dead. Perhaps you could skirt around this a bit by taking Ballard's suggestion that you can't erase someone's soul, so putting a mind back in its original body means it's really them, but... this is all getting rather philosophical now.
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== Echo-Omega had a heart-to-heart talk with Boyd and Ballard during the drive back to the Dollhouse ==
Ballard had a pretty impressive shift in attitude by the end of the episode; during the drive back to the Dollhouse, he undoubtedly had a long talk with Echo-Omega--whoOmega—who probably gave him something of a reality check, given all of the experience she has locked up inside. And she probably pointed out that letting Caroline go free would be a tad foolish at this juncture, since Alpha has already murdered her twice (smashing the backup and shooting Wendy-Caroline)
 
== Victor will {{spoiler|be the new Dr Saunders}}. ==
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== {{spoiler|At least 75% of this page has been Jossed in the old-school sense of the term by "Epitaph One".}} ==
 
== Epitaph One is the seed of the [[Firefly (TV series)|Firefly]] universe. ==
In the [[After the End|future]] of Epitaph One, [[Earth-That-Was]] could no longer sustain us - due to all the {{spoiler|remote imprinting tech}} and the mess it made of the world.
* The solution to the mess was to settle on a new planet on the rim (of a new solar system), called Safehaven. This, and similar settlements would eventually form the Independents.
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* It would explain where she was during that episode (possibly with Boyd covering for her). But it would also give the surviving Wesley/Fred shippers a happy, and Joss would never do such a thing. Unless it was to make their later misery all the more profound. Okay, it was sent by Whiskey.
* I consider it unlikely that Whiskey wants to bring down the Dollhouse. If that happened, Whiskey's pre-wipe personality would be restored and "Claire Saunders" would cease to exist, which is exactly what Whiskey doesn't want, according to "Vows".
** Unless she brings it down from the outside, without making her presence known to anyone who knows she's an Active. She may be thinking she can tear it down and walk away as the person who she's become. The flaw in this plan is that, presumably, she needs regular treatments to maintain her imprint -- butimprint—but does she realise this? Mellie seemed completely unaware of her periodic visits to the Dollhouse; maybe Saunders is equally ignorant, and hasn't stopped to think long enough to put that detail together.
*** I don't think most imprints need to be maintained--Novembermaintained—November was a special case because she was a sleeper Active. The subliminal programming she was imprinted with ("three flowers in a vase") was experimental and they wanted to be sure they hadn't created another Alpha. Besides, how would they know what information she had gotten from Ballard unless they retrieved her memories?
{{spoiler|Jossed, it was Rossum}}
 
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== Topher is falling for Sierra. ==
Am I the only one who got that vibe from "Belonging"? Not that he'll do anything about it--nowit—now that he has a conscience, he's not going to ruin Sierra's adorable romance with Victor. If you don't believe me, just watch his face in "Meet Jane Doe" when Harding suggests sending Sierra to Dubai.
 
== Senator Perrin is NOT helping Rossum. ==
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* The problem with that is Topher's magic taser, which very clearly didn't work on him or on DeWitt. While in theory some kind of handwave would be possible, it just wouldn't sit well.
** If DeWitt were the partner, there is no reason why the taser would have worked on her. Clyde doesn't imply that the partner transferred his/her personality, and the ages match. As for Topher being Clyde 2.0 (or, more likely, Clyde 2.5, Clyde 3.0, Clyde 3.1, etc) I was under the impression that the taser worked on the current Active architecture. And this architecture seems to be what is necessary to constantly load and delete new imprints into a brain, which means it may have not been necessary for one wipe followed by a single, permanent imprint. The bigger problem with Topher being Clyde 2.0 is that we are specifically told Clyde's knowledge of the technology was suppressed in the new imprint.
*** Except that Clyde's been in there 17 years, with no idea how much time has passed -- whichpassed—which implies that subjective time in the Attic bears no relation to real-world time. There's no reason why your mental projection in the Attic should age visibly, which means if he's 40-something in the Attic, he's probably in his 60s in the real world. Or, alternatively, since he thought far more than 17 years had passed, he went in as a 19-year-old genius.
**** But the fact remains that the guy says they were 'students' which suggests 18-25; it was 16 years ago, and he, like DeWitt , seems 40-ish, fitting the timeline of events well.
* The thing though is that DeWitt is very clearly not in control of Rossum or what have you. Even Harding answers to higher ups. Were DeWitt the original, surely she'd be good enough to stay in control.
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For clarification, Actives are people (volunteers) whose minds have been wiped and who can be "imprinted" with any personality and hired out for jobs or "engagements", sometimes of dubious morality. When needed, they can be wiped and imprinted with a personality that can be of use to the Dollhouse rather than used for engagements {{spoiler|(such as [[The Medic|Dr. Saunders]])}}. Perhaps Megan Fox just couldn't cut it as a Doll? (Incidentally, this would also explain her...er...acting.)
 
Also, compare [https://web.archive.org/web/20090317202412/http://editorial.sidereel.com/Images/Posts/Dollhouse_Echo.jpg Echo] to [http://www.bigchicosmovieblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/megan-fox-4-30-08.jpg Megan]{{Dead link}} - notice the similar dead eyes and surreal expressionless faces?
* No way. If she was an Active, [[Take That|she'd be better at acting]]. And would be less of a resentful bitch in interviews. I mean, if she's an active, why the smeg did they pick ''this'' useless personality to go with that [[Ms. Fanservice|body]]?
 
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== It doesn't matter who Clyde 2.0 is. ==
Because s/he's just going to be implanted into a different body anyway. There are at least 6 named characters running around with active architecture in their heads who could end up as Clyde 2.0. My money's on "You don't want to end up like November."
* Well, maybe. Don't forget that we are going back to an earlier version of the technology. We take it for granted that the 'point' of the technology is and always has been to constantly change imprints but that's because the Dollhouse needs to use it this way for its business. Therefore, the technology has been developed to enable constant loading and wiping of (modified) brains. But consider how much trauma wiping and imprinting must cause -- thecause—the architecture was presumably developed to help minimize this. However, in the early days, dealing with unmodified brains, there would have been a definite limit on what would have been possible -- maybepossible—maybe just one wipe and one imprint per brain (if you were lucky). So Clyde 2.0 may have remained in the same body since 1993, because re-imprinting him was for a long time too risky.
** Possible, but Clyde 1.0 does note that his copy will probably have changed bodies by now.
** Maybe Bennett is Clyde 2.0. Or, Ivy.
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**** But the tabula rasa is an imprint, it's just a default, probably built into the architecture. Once you have active architecture, everything is an imprint, including your original self, your original self just hasn't been tampered with and had bits added, like the imprints Topher et al create. Proof: the disruptor will knock Madeline out, and someone's release procedure involves a more or less routine round in the chair.
** If Clyde 2.0 had no special knowledge and no free will, then what was the point of him? How can a personality with no 'aspiration' resemble ''any'' human being, let alone one who must have been some kind of genius?
*** He does have special knowledge--heknowledge—he knows all about imprinting technology. And I think "no aspiration" is supposed to translate to "no ambition" rather than "no free will"--he—he's perfectly happy being a cog in the huge Rossum machine.
**** It's Clyde 5.0, he's not a known character, but Clyde 6.0 very much is.
== Epitaph One is not the literal future - it's a symbolic one representing two competing groupminds. ==
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== Echo is DeWitt's daughter ==.
* Possible, but unlikely, given that Adelle is ''at most'' 15 years older than Echo. Still, that'd be one more reason for their relationship it to be a secret, if this guess is true.
** Fifteen is certainly old enough to have a child. It's also certainly a likely age at which to have a child and give her up for adoption, which would explain why Caroline doesn't seem to know Adelle -- atAdelle—at least not that way.
 
== Boyd will die between 2.11 and the series finale ==.
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== Active Architecture enables stable imprinting of full personalities ==.
 
In the Dark Future of Epitaph One and Epitaph Two, there are a) Actuals : people whose minds and brains have never been tampered with ; b) 'dumbshows', who are wiped but not imprinted (unlike Actives, they cannot even speak and are hardly functional) ; c)'butchers' who have been wiped and imprinted with a crude program that makes them mindless killing machines ; d) 'tech-heads' ex-Actives (with Active Architecture) who have taken the technology into their own hands ; e) 'immortals' who move from body to body such as Harding, Ambrose and Iris. These last presumably also use Active Architecture. This seems to be what is required to imprint someone with a fully functioning copy of a personality rather than a simple program designed to turn them {[[Ax Crazy]]}. At the end, whatever Topher does with his pulse is NOT any form of imprinting but some way of drawing on the residual traces of the original personality in the brain to try to restore an Active, Dumbshow or Butcher to their original identity (possible minus some or all of their old memories -- itmemories—it depends how thorough the remote wipe is compared with the chair-based or even hand-held version).
 
== Alpha was created intentionally ==
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== [[Total Recall]] takes place [[Twenty Minutes Into the Future|in the future]] of [[Dollhouse]] [[After the End|after Epitaph Two: The Return.]] ==
After Echo and company manage to take down the remaining Rossum members, civilization begins it's slow crawl back to normalcy...but some people just haven't learned. Remnants of the Imprint technology still remain, and have been reverse-engineered by Rekall Incorporated. However, the technology is still unstable, leading to schizoid-embolisms and ultimately lobotomies.
 
 
== The big bad we saw was an Imprint ==
 
I mean come on! I don't care what you say what kind of Evil overlord places himself again and again in dangerous situations like {{spoiler|Boyd}} did. Back in the day when Caroline came across the test subjects it looked like their imprints where hard wired in as in the singing imprint. Wouldn't be too far to believe that the big bad decided to leave a sleeping imprint on {{spoiler|Boyd}} untill he found it useful. I mean that kind of sincerity and courage couldn't be faked could it?
Deniel? What deniel.
 
== Boyd Langton was a candidate for the CBS show Undercover Boss ==
 
Langton could have had a hidden camera on him to record and see how things were done on the lower levels of his company. Once the company was powerful enough for the government to be unable to stop them, his time in the Dollhouse would have been an episode of Undercover Boss.
 
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