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** The manga outright states this at least one time, but your friend was still dead-on.

*** You could potentially say a very similar thing about Krillin. Forever living in everyone's shadow: his best friends, the major villains, the monks at the Shaolin temple... he constantly wore some form of uniform right up until the very last battle with Cell. Seven years later free from any major battles and embracing the company of his wife and daughter (an arguably enjoying the protection living with a super powerful Android brings) he learnt to loosen up and accept himself. Come the Tournament he discards the Turtle and Shaolin uniforms and instead, for the first time in a major fight, wears an unbranded red T-shirt and track pants.

** "Kame" means turtle. Kamehameha roughly means "turtle school attack".

*** "Turtle school ''wave''". Anyway, the conection with King Kamehameha was intentional. [[Word of God]] stated his wife come with this pun for him.

* Piccolo's transition from [[Good Is Not Nice]] loner to [[Team Dad]] makes a lot of sense when you take into consideration that he takes on aspects of the personality of those he fused with. Considering fused with Nail and then ''[[The Messiah|Kami]]'', it makes a lot of sense in story why Piccolo [[Defrosting Ice Queen|defrosted]] the way he did.

** And on the subject of Piccolo, why keep the name of his evil counterpart? In Namekian, according to ''Word of God'', Piccolo means "Another World". And since Kami is a title, not a name, Piccolo was probably adopted by the Namekian when he couldn't remember his name. Even deeper, the titles "King Piccolo" and "Kami (Piccolo)" would translate to King and God, respectively, of another world!

** Spot on. Thanks for the tip.

* This troper often wondered why Gohan went Super Saiyan 2 after Cell crushed Android 16's head. Sure, it was sad and all, but Gohan didn't really know 16 very well. But then, it hit me after seeing some video's: That scene was ''exactly'' identical to a [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqS559YTX6s nightmare Gohan had in some filler], were Cell crushed Piccolo's head, one of the people he cares most for, in the same manner. Cell crushing 16's head made him realize how Cell could easily destroy everyone he knew and loved. - [[Tropers/Shadowgirl 13 Chaos|Shadowgirl 13 Chaos]]

** Not only is he part Vegeta, but part Goku as well. Maybe the Saiyans all have some trait about them that makes them want their enemy at full power when they're defeated.

*** It's stated in canon that ALL Saiyans are tremendous [[Blood Knight|Blood Knights]]. Some take it the sadistic and more common route such as Vegeta, and others are entirely interested in the thrill of the fight such as Goku. Okay, just Goku.

** Actually it can be seen as somewhat ironic (I think I'm using that right) as Cell was the only Android in the entire saga that was NOT built for killing Goku, instead he was only built to achieve perfection.

*** This troper thinks the reason he was meant to become perfect was to help him beat Goku, and Cell just kinda went on his own from there. Even more ironic in that case would be that Cell actually wasn't perfect when he killed Goku since he lost Android 18.

** This also goes a long way to explaining why the ''very'' sensitive Gohan was the first to reach Super Saiyan 2.

* Why is it called a Hyperbolic Time Chamber? It exaggerates time.

* So what's this about Frieza saying it would take 5 minutes to blow up Namek, and it really taking umpteen episodes? Well, one could more than likely chalk that up in large part to the fact that by that point in the series, characters had long since been fighting at greater speeds than the human eye could normally track, and Goku and Frieza had started to gain speeds so high not even the already supersonic characters could track their movements. The death ball may well have been taking approximately 5 minutes to destroy Namek, but considering the show had to considerably "slow down" the Goku v. Frieza fight for we humans to see, it didn't translate into as short of a show-time.

** The speed at which they would be fighting is fair enough a point, but the dialogue that Goku and Frieza exchange with one another lasts much longer than 5 minutes. Far more believable alternatives include the possibility that Frieza vastly underestimated the amount of time it would time for Namek to explode or that Frieza's perception of a minute being different from ours given that he is an alien.

*** Frieza DID in fact underestimate the time it would take for Namek to blow up. In the English dub at least, he actually points out when the five minutes have already gone by, and sounds rather surprised the planet is still intact.

* When watching the fight between Goku vs. Pikkon, I at one point wondered why, when Goku went Super Saiyan, everyone (apart from King Kai) was surprised to see this, with West Kai outright asking what had happened to him. Then I realized that this was because practically every other Saiyan had been to some degree like Vegeta in their personality, and thus would have most likely been sent to Hell. The only possible exception to this would have been Bardock, and because Bardock was not an incredibly powerful fighter, he would not be 'qualify' to participate in the Otherworld Tournament. Therefore, everyone is surprised because most of them have never seen a Saiyan before, and the few who might have seen one have definitely never seen a Super Saiyan. '''Rellevart.'''

** So…Gohan briefly became a [[Sociopathic Hero]]. And this isn't [[Fridge Horror]] for some reason!?

* After the Freeza Saga, the Zenkai ability all Saiyan's possess, to get excessively stronger after suffering a near fatal defeat, seems to vanish completely after all Saiyan's have become Super Saiyans? The beatdown Vegeta received from Android 18 and then being healed later should have been enough to widen the gap, but we had to endure training. The same with Gohan, in the Buu Saga, who was beat nearly to death by Super Buu w/Gotenks and Dende healed him. Not a single increase. So, I asked a friend of mine, and he decided upon the fact that Zenkai itself is a rudimentary form of Super Saiyan, as it increases power with a certain trigger (near death, healing), Super Saiyan increases it with a certain trigger (anger, desire). Super Saiyan is simply an extreme, conscious version of Zenkai.

** This is even better. Think about how the Saiyan's power suddenly started skyrocketing due to zenkai with boosts going into double digits. This is around the point where the characters' power levels are going from 50,000-180,000 to around the few millions. Vegeta, Gohan and especially Goku (for one got a 33x increase making him strong enough to fight Frieza's 4th form) get their powers boosted past the 7 digit mark. This makes their power levels high enough to bring the Super Saiyan transformation within reach. This suggests that at that point Zenkai is no longer just a healing factor. When there is a potential to ascend to a much higher level of power the '''Zenkai becomes the Saiyan's own Unlock Potential ability''', and it's sole purpose at that point is to awaken enough power to allow a Super Saiyan transformation to happen. After that it again goes back to a healing factor and doesn't provide much significant boost to be noticed.

 

 

=== AC:[[Fridge Horror]] ===

* Boss Rabbit was {{spoiler|left on the moon}} after he was defeated. A little later {{spoiler|Roshi blows up the moon, presumably with the rabbits still living on it}}.

*** Dragon Ball's Earth only has a single moon. During Goku's training in the Lookout, Kami restored the moon after he made sure Goku's tail would never grow back.

* The Capsules. Ranging from practical (cars and house), to threatening (Launch being able to carry an entire armory of guns in her POCKET) to more horrorific things like being able to hide dead bodies inside capsules (as Bulma does to Krillin after his {{spoiler|first}} death, and later {{spoiler|Master Roshi and Chiaotzu}}. If Bulma can easily place Krillin's body in a freezer capsule, turn the freezer into a capsule with HIM inside, you have to wonder how many potential unsolved murders there are. Presumably you could hide LIVING people inside a capsule. If not by simply pressing the button with them inside while they're alive, {{spoiler|killing them, placing the body in a capsule, shrinking the capsule, and then resurrecting them with the Dragon Balls, without taking the body out. Given the accessibility of capsules in-universe, this could be done just about ANY DAY of the week.}}

** Furthermore, there are all those islands Cell blew up when looking for 18. When the people inhabiting those islands were revived, they'd just reappear in the middle of the ocean, and presumably drown.

** When the others gathered the Dragon Balls after the Cell Games, they wished for everyone killed by Cell to come back to life... leaving all those killed before by Vegeta and Dr. Gero dead.

** It's quite possible that Freeza, being Freeza, ended up killing Guru during in his search for the Dragon Balls, rendering their powers void, and his mission meaningless. Of course, this theory has the major flaw of "Why didn't he just go to Earth and take theirs, then?", which could be Fridge Horror in and of itself.

** Perhaps because he never knows about Earth bearing [[Insignificant Little Blue Planet|any person or thing of significance]] if not for Goku and the rest of the visitors from there who ruined his plans?

** Still leaves Frieza with his galaxy-spanning empire where he's free to kill and destroy anyone he comes across, and might end up on Namek eventually anyway.

* In the Buu saga, Videl {{spoiler|''accidentally'' kicked an opponent's head so hard it snapped his neck}}. Now remember she's on the weak end of the cast, with even the little kids far exceeding her power. You start to realize just how much power these characters have and are holding back.

** The world ''was'' screwed if Gohan couldn't defeat Cell, and that's the point of all that heartwarming filler. Goku's not a complete idiot - the potential for failure was there, so he wasn't about to waste what time they had left. Goku's Saiyan love of battle may have been lost in Gohan's human heritage, but his desire to protect life certainly was not.

* Elder Kai warns our heroes that irresponsible use of the Dragon Balls could badly upset the balance of nature and cause terrible cataclysms. Wasn't planet Namek all but destroyed by natural disasters in Guru's time?

* The AU story ''Episode of Bardock'' ends on a positive note as Bardock {{spoiler|rescues the people of Plant by ascending to become the first legendary Super Saiya-jin and defeating Chilled.}} However, this begs the question of how his actions affected the future within that specific timeline. Do the Saiya-jin wind up colonizing another world or do they still wind up on Planet Plant? If it's the latter, did he inadvertently contribute to the conquest of Plant by making the people there think Saiya-jin could be trusted?

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