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== [[Fables (Comic Book)|Fables]] ==

It's been established that a Fable's powers, longevity, and ability to come [[Back Fromfrom the Dead]] hinge on how their stories are remembered by the Mundanes. It's also been shown that modern-day interpretations of these stories do the same thing -- specifically during the time of Jack Horner's attempt to boost his own personal power by making movies based on his exploits. Therefore, every piece of fan fiction a Mundane makes, no matter how mundane or X-Rated, should do the same.

As stated above, the fact that Jack Horner thought he could improve his own personal power by creating movies of his fables to increase people's belief in him proves that Fables can use modern media to spread belief of them and increase their power (Snow White, Cinderella, etc. must ''really'' be loving Disney for the assist), but what if it goes farther than that? Some Fables, like Pinocchio, have tales that are old but not ancient (the wooden puppet's stories being produced at the turn of the 20th Century), so obviously how long your personal fable's been going on in the Mundane world doesn't dictate whether or not you exist in the Homelands (though it does dictate how powerful you are, to a point). And with the onset of movies, TV, and video games, fictionalized worlds are being created practically every second, so it's likely that there ''is'' a [[Super Mario Bros.|Mushroom Kingdom]], a [[The Matrix|Matrix]], and a [[Buffy the Vampire Slayer|Sunnydale]] in the Homelands, newly formed with their respective characters and undiscovered by the Adversary or any other "old-time" Fables. Of course, that means, that with such a huge rate of expansion, there's no way the Adversary would be able to conquer the Homelands entirely, and the new, modern-day and/or future weapons would give him much more problems than he ever dreamed of. Wait until he runs into the ''[[Star Trek (Franchise)|Star Trek]]'' and ''[[Star Wars]]'' Fables. Or any of the omnipotent and omniscient [[Mary Sue|Mary Sues]] pumped out by fanfiction authors everyhwere...

* Although not referred to by name for copyright reasons, the [[Land of Oz (Literature)|Land of Oz]] and [[Narnia]] were two of the first lands conquered by the Adversary, confirming that new Homelands were still developing at least into the twentieth century.

*** Not just that: in Animal Farm Snow White kills Shere Khan when Mowgli is an adult, but in ''[[The Jungle Book (Literaturenovel)|The Jungle Book]]'' Mowgli killed him as a boy of about twelve.

** In a similar vein the "classic" Fable Lands of East and Central Asia would be a nightmare to conquer. Many East Asian and Central Asian myths make very little distinction between a god, demon and spirit resulting in many very powerful creatures. Rakshaha, Deva, Pontianak, Yuki-no-onna, etc. Furthermore if the "popularity power" hypothesis is true, the characters from Chinese epics like ''[[Romance of the Three Kingdoms (Literature)|Romance of the Three Kingdoms]]'', ''[[Legend of the Water Margin (Literature)|Legend of the Water Margin]]'' and especially ''[[Journey to The West (Literature)|Journey to Thethe West]]'' would be pretty tough. Especially since the first involves multi-generational armies, the second 108 outlaws and lastly the Monkey King himself who was powerful enough to thumb his nose at the forces of the Jade Emperor himself. Oh yes and the armies of the Jade Emperor (ie the local version of God) mentioned in Journey to the West would probably make an appearance too in the Fable Lands of the Far East....

* Also if the Adversary ever made contact with the [[Warhammer 40 K,000]] universe, his empire is so seriously fucked. The Imperium of Man alone would steamroll over them although Hansel would probably get an Evilgasm the first time he learns of Ordo Hereticus.

** Not neccesarily- they may ally themselves with him conditionally- he may be bad, but not as evil or inhuman as most things the Imperium fights- they are [[Lawful Evil]], after all (perhaps [[Lawful Good]]. Its hard to tell. Either way, they'd ally).

* And let's not get started if the Adversary's forces ended up in [[Touhou|Gensoukyou]]

** But that was about actual sorcerous ability, while the popularity thing seems to be more about making the Fable harder to kill...

*** There isn't. Even Qu'ran itself has a part about Djinns, and they are, in general, trickster devils, and that was rather difficult to deter their irremediable nature. The whole story of genie in a lamp is, in fact, a [[Sealed Evil in Aa Can]], but, in this case, a minor evil that could come handful in case the can owner outsmarts the evil, of course.

*** Remember Bill Willingham is very, ''very'' pro Israel, which is why here it's Snow that does [[Arabian Night]] while Scheherazade goes form [[Magnificent Bastard]] to just another of King Shahryar's brides to be saved by Snow via the delays, yeah...

* This Troper believes you mean ''[[Captain America (comics)]]''. That's where we'll find him again, True Believers - He might be dead in 616, but there's gotta be a mythic version ''somewhere'' out there!

In FABLES, Jack is extremely popular and such nearly impossible to kill. Having Excalibur stabbed through him was only horrible in that he could not wander about in regular society sporting a sword in his chest. Then {{spoiler|he actually removed it, despite the protests of his story-mage friend}}. This also explains why Bigby Wolf can do a lot more then just blow things over.

There seems to be a delay period between the writing of a story and when it becomes "real" in the Homelands; no modern characters more recent than the early 20th century, if that, show up. The mundane [[Real Life]] explanation is of course that [[Public Domain Character|Public Domain Characters]] were mainly used to populate the Fableverse, but in-story, there seems to be nobody more recent than the Victorian age. So it might take a century or so for the ideas to cross the gulf between worlds and "set" into living forms --or alternately, for the Fables world to "influence" Mundys' imaginations into adding them to their fiction.

... back in Volume 2. Her [[Healing Factor]] [[Popularity Power|powered by Popularity among the Mundies]] had been keeping it at bay for a long time, but the emotional (and later, mental) stress in Volume 1 temporary overpowered it. That explains both the [[Idiot Ball]] and why she wanted a quiet "vacation" at the Farm in the first place.

In The Good Prince, the pair have allied with the emperor and are receiving magical treatments to return to life. When we last saw them, Blue Beard can hold a cup if he focuses enough. For all we know, they've become solid again and are carving out their own kingdom, preparing to take on Fabletown.

Ok, right now Frost seems to be [[The Cape (trope)]], with a touch of [[Lawful Stupid]], but he's clearly more naive and sheltered than actually dumb. Now, every intro to the characters makes a big deal about how Jack is a lovable rogue without the lovability. This, effectively, means he's a scoundrel, a character type that pre-dated the lovable rogue. As Frost becomes more worldly, he'll BECOME a lovable rogue.

"The first child will be a king. The second child a pauper. The third will do an evil thing. The fourth will die to stop her. The fifth will be a hero bold. The sixth will judge the rest. The seventh lives to ages old, and is by heaven blessed." And here's the link https://web.archive.org/web/20110724225909/http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2009/07/sdcc-09-the-annual-fables-one-page-tale/

Think about it: a ton of stuff happens, but most of it cancels out. {{spoiler|Mr. Dark is trapped, but gets out. Frau Totenkinder is dead, but then she's alive again. In the end, we went through all that, and we're right back where we started, only with Frau Totenkinder going into what's likely to be a [[Ten -Minute Retirement]]}}.