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** In a similar vein the "classic" Fable Lands of East and Central Asia would be a nightmare to conquer. Many East Asian and Central Asian myths make very little distinction between a god, demon and spirit resulting in many very powerful creatures. Rakshaha, Deva, Pontianak, Yuki-no-onna, etc. Furthermore if the "popularity power" hypothesis is true, the characters from Chinese epics like ''[[Romance of the Three Kingdoms]]'', ''[[Water Margin|Legend of the Water Margin]]'' and especially ''[[Journey to the West]]'' would be pretty tough. Especially since the first involves multi-generational armies, the second 108 outlaws and lastly the Monkey King himself who was powerful enough to thumb his nose at the forces of the Jade Emperor himself. Oh yes and the armies of the Jade Emperor (ie the local version of God) mentioned in Journey to the West would probably make an appearance too in the Fable Lands of the Far East....
* Also if the Adversary ever made contact with the [[Warhammer 40000]] universe, his empire is so seriously fucked. The Imperium of Man alone would steamroll over them although Hansel would probably get an Evilgasm the first time he learns of Ordo Hereticus.
** Not neccesarily- they may ally themselves with him conditionally- he may be bad, but not as evil or inhuman as most things the Imperium fights- they are [[Lawful Evil]], after all (perhaps [[Lawful Good]]. Its hard to tell. Either way, they'd ally).
** Now, if he came across the [[Anime]] Fables, specifically [[Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann]], land of [[Chaotic Good]] freedom fighters who oppose all forms of autocracy outright and have the ability to shatter worlds...
** Also considering [[W 40 K]], the Fables would do well not to accidentally open a gate into a Necron Tomb World, Ork Waagh or Tyrannid swarm.
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* Hey, think about the comics! Just the DC Comics universe would be a complete PAIN to conquer if you're not Darkseid. Neither can you do Marvel if you're not Galactus. Combine the two together and throw in the other comic universes...the Adversary is frickin' SCREWED. (And I'd love to see Spider-Man and Deadpool get in a fight with Nightwing and Blue Beetle, which ultimately culminates in [[Yo Mama]] insults.)
** Fables take place in vertigo, which (kind of) take place in the main DC universe, or at the very least an alternate one where the DC heroes are present. So the heroes and villans of DC aren't fictional, meaning they wouldn't be a problem for the Adversary until he tried to concur the "real" world.
* And let's not get started if the Adversary's forces ended up in [[Touhou|Gensoukyou]]
== It's ''the Fables themselves'' who unconsciously grant themselves greater powers. ==
Relying on their "Mundy Popularity" is just a psychological crutch. Evidence for this? Forgotten Fables like Wayland and Sambo still have their powers, and Geppetto and Boy Blue's abilities far outweigh their popularity.
* Also the Blackwood Witch states that she does not believe in the popularity theory when she confronts Baba Yaga. And it seems to be somthing in it, as she win easily over the more well known Baba Yaga. The witch even states that in nearly all the stories she was involved in, her part ended before the part where people start when they tell it.
** But that was about actual sorcerous ability, while the popularity thing seems to be more about making the Fable harder to kill...
*** It's not really clear just what aspects of a Fable are affected by popularity. Jack, for example, seemed to gain increased strength and speed as well as greater durability when his movies came out.
*** The Blackforest Witch might not be as widely known ''by name'', but she's been involved in almost every single story with an unnamed witch in it. No one says you have to be known ''by name'', just ''known.'' She's actually far, far, far more well known than virtually any other magic using character in the entire Fables multiverse.
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*** There isn't. Even Qu'ran itself has a part about Djinns, and they are, in general, trickster devils, and that was rather difficult to deter their irremediable nature. The whole story of genie in a lamp is, in fact, a [[Sealed Evil in a Can]], but, in this case, a minor evil that could come handful in case the can owner outsmarts the evil, of course.
*** Traditionally (in Arabic myth) Suleiman/Solomon was responsible for canning up large numbers of malicious spirits, including jinni by tricking them into entering enchanted flasks and bottles. The lamp is from elsewhere. Note that similar legends exist in Kabbalah Judaism...
*** Remember Bill Willingham is very, ''very'' pro Israel, which is why here it's Snow that does [[Arabian Night]] while Scheherazade goes form [[Magnificent Bastard]] to just another of King Shahryar's brides to be saved by Snow via the delays, yeah...
== If Americana exists, then [[Superman]] can show up. ==
If anyone is an American fable, it's him.
* This Troper believes you mean ''[[Captain America (comics)]]''. That's where we'll find him again, True Believers - He might be dead in 616, but there's gotta be a mythic version ''somewhere'' out there!
** I'm still betting on Supes. Cap is popular, but not Superman popular. Plus, Fables is DC.
*** But Cap has the advantage of actually existing in ''America.'' Or rather, in a city (N.Y.C.) that exists in ''Fables'' and in [[Real Life]], as opposed to Metropolis U.S.A. He wears a flag and Died For Real for the ideal America! And the Big Two have done crossovers before; at the very least there oughta be a [[Captain Ersatz]] of Captain America, if myth and the Afterlife aren't enough to overcome inter-company rivalry.
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== Popularity increases more then just durabillity ==
In FABLES, Jack is extremely popular and such nearly impossible to kill. Having Excalibur stabbed through him was only horrible in that he could not wander about in regular society sporting a sword in his chest. Then {{spoiler|he actually removed it, despite the protests of his story-mage friend}}. This also explains why Bigby Wolf can do a lot more then just blow things over.
* That's not a WMG, it's canon. Jack got increased speed, agility and strength, as he himself notes in the story. [[Unreliable Narrator|Not that we can believe anything he says, ever]].
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== It takes a while for stories to become Fables. ==
There seems to be a delay period between the writing of a story and when it becomes "real" in the Homelands; no modern characters more recent than the early 20th century, if that, show up. The mundane [[Real Life]] explanation is of course that [[Public Domain Character|Public Domain Characters]] were mainly used to populate the Fableverse, but in-story, there seems to be nobody more recent than the Victorian age. So it might take a century or so for the ideas to cross the gulf between worlds and "set" into living forms --or alternately, for the Fables world to "influence" Mundys' imaginations into adding them to their fiction.
== The Fables ''are'' real and Mundy minds merely pick up mental images of them and tell stories about them. ==
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== Snow White was suffering from the magical version of brain cancer... ==
... back in Volume 2. Her [[Healing Factor]] [[Popularity Power|powered by Popularity among the Mundies]] had been keeping it at bay for a long time, but the emotional (and later, mental) stress in Volume 1 temporary overpowered it. That explains both the [[Idiot Ball]] and why she wanted a quiet "vacation" at the Farm in the first place.
Goldilocks' [[Boom! Headshot!]] at the end of the arc accidentally blew out the tumour, preventing this sort of thing from happening again.
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== Blue Beard and Shere Kahn are alive and plotting their vengeance. ==
In The Good Prince, the pair have allied with the emperor and are receiving magical treatments to return to life. When we last saw them, Blue Beard can hold a cup if he focuses enough. For all we know, they've become solid again and are carving out their own kingdom, preparing to take on Fabletown.
== Frau Totenkinder secretly owns an abortion clinic. ==
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== Jack Frost is going to become an updated version of his father. ==
Ok, right now Frost seems to be [[The Cape (trope)]], with a touch of [[Lawful Stupid]], but he's clearly more naive and sheltered than actually dumb. Now, every intro to the characters makes a big deal about how Jack is a lovable rogue without the lovability. This, effectively, means he's a scoundrel, a character type that pre-dated the lovable rogue. As Frost becomes more worldly, he'll BECOME a lovable rogue.
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