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Sometimes, it's easy to ignore music from the favorite artist of a fandom that they perceive end up sucking. If this happens to an entire genre of music, it becomes a [[Dead Horse Genre]].
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* From [[Pearl Jam (Music)|Pearl Jam]]'s ''Vitalogy'': Most people stop the album after "Immortality", ignoring "Hey Foxymophandlemama, That's Me".
* A number of [[KISS (Music)|KISS]] fans prefer to pretend there was never a time when the band performed without the makeup. Another group would like to throw [[Dead Horse Genre|the disco album]] in there as well.
** Which is ironic, because one of their most popular songs (I Was Made for Lovin' You) comes off of said disco album (''Dynasty'').
** Many fans would like to forget ''[[Concept Album|Music From The Elder]]'' was ever made.
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* [[Autechre]] seems to have forgotten that its first release was a generic oldskool hardcore single from 1991, ''Cavity Job'', and not its first foray into [[IDM]], "The Egg" (released on the seminal 1992 Warp compilation ''Artificial Intelligence'').
** Similarly many fans of Warp Records would rather forget that it ever released straightforward [[Techno]] in its earliest years rather than IDM, or that it now focuses on more commercially-accessible indie rock.
* Whenever a progressive rock group releases an album that is more "commercial" and less "progressive," there are always legions of progressive rock fans to deny its existence. Examples include [[Emerson Lake and Palmer|ELP's]] ''Love Beach'', anything by [[Genesis (Musicband)|Genesis]] after ''Duke'', [[Yes]]'s entire Trevor Rabin era, and any Gentle Giant studio album released after ''Interview''.
** With [[Genesis (Musicband)|Genesis]], some fans go even further and deny everything after ''The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway'', the last album with Peter Gabriel. In contrast, some fans refuse to acknowledge ''Calling All Stations'', the one album the band released after Phil Collins left the band. In a sense, the band itself kind of does this, as they didn't include any songs from that album on their recent reunion tour.
** The members of ELP even admitted that they recorded ''Love Beach'' only because they owed their record label another album.
* Many people think that [[Black Sabbath (Music)|Black Sabbath]] ended when [[Ozzy Osbourne (Music)|Ozzy]] left in 1979, and didn't exist again as a band until they got back together with Ozzy in 1997. Literally.
** Even more think there were no Black Sabbath albums between ''Sabotage'' and ''Heaven and Hell''.
** And there are some Sabbath fans who claim that there was no real Sabbath UNTIL Ozzy left. [[Unpleasable Fanbase]] to say the least
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*** It does help that the album recorded was far from what was to have been, with their manager adding a majority of overdubs, drum machine and synthesizers without Strummer's acknowledgement (Paul Simonon was featured on just one track too).
* [[Bad Religion]] fans ([[Creator Backlash|and the band itself]]) tend to ignore ''Into the Unknown'', which was a prog rock album from an '80s punk band, and their last two albums on Atlantic Records, ''No Substance'' and ''New America''. They cite the latter two as an example of what can happen when [[Creator Breakdown|your main songwriting partner quits the band, your band is stuck in major label politics, your wife divorces you, you record the album with one of your favorite artists from back in the day and find out]] [[Jerkass|he's a douche...]]
* Most [[Iron Maiden (Music)|Iron Maiden]] fans prefer to develop selective amnesia during the eight-year period between ''Fear of the Dark'' and ''Brave New World''. Two albums were (not) released during this time. Interestingly, the band themselves do not acknowledge this, instead occasionally integrating some of the more well-received songs from the Blaze albums into their latter-day setlists.
** Some [[Iron Maiden (Music)|Iron Maiden]] fans tend to consider anything produced by the band ''without'' [[Bruce Dickinson (Music)|Bruce Dickinson]] fronting the band to be sub-par, although most do recognize Paul's work on the first two albums.
** [[Fan Dumb|Another]] [[Nostalgia Filter|part]] of the fandom just pretend that everything after ''Seventh Son Of A Seventh Son'' just never existed.
* Similarly, many fans of [[Judas Priest (Music)|Judas Priest]] pretend the band did not exist in the time between Rob Halford leaving the band and their reunion with him. The band was on hiatus for about half of this time. It helps that the band is also steadfastly ignoring everything they released during that time.
** Some also like to forget that Rocka Rolla exists, firstly due to its poor production, especially as the band didn't have full control over the track selection. However, the executive meddling was good in hindsight because it meant that Sad Wings Of Destiny, containing some songs written after the first album, is flawless.
*** Since it deprived the world of hearing what Judas Priest intended to be their [[Epic Rocking]] masterpiece at the time, "Caviar and Meths", what happened to the album is still a crime.
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*** It's actually faster to note the number of albums that AREN'T considered [[Canon Dis Continuity]] by any number of fans, right down to the people who thought ''Ride the Lightning'' of all albums was selling out because of "Fade to Black".
* Though to a lesser degree, a very few Less Than Jake fans like to pretend their last album was ''Borders & Boundaries''. Other like to pretend that their whole discography exists, except for the non-existent album ''In With the Out Crowd''.
* Many prefer to believe that ''Abbey Road'' was the last album that [[The Beatles (Musicband)|The Beatles]] put out, rather than ''Let It Be''. It helps that ''Abbey Road'' was the last album they recorded (''Let It Be'' was recorded earlier, but its release was delayed until after ''Abbey Road'') and is widely considered almost perfect, with several tracks clearly laid down by a band knowing they were at the end of the road and determined to go out on a high. ''Let It Be'' is widely disliked -- several fine tracks aside (this is still The Beatles we're talking about -- even their rubbish albums have great songs like "Across the Universe") -- for being a slapdash effort created when tensions between the band members had all but reached the breaking point, sabotaged (depending on your viewpoint, certainly if you're [[Paul McCartney (Music)|Paul McCartney]]) by a combination of over-production and spite, and released to get it out of the way and to have an album to go with the ''[[Let It Be]]'' film.
** The existence of "new" Beatles albums ''after'' ''Let It Be'' (and the legal break-up) is even less certain. The Red Album, the Blue Album, ''Past Masters'' and ''1'' exist, but most other compilations are not consistently acknowledged. Most experienced Beatles fans do think that the 1999 ''[[Yellow Submarine (Animation)|Yellow Submarine]]'' Songtrack album exists, but it forced the original 1968 ''[[Yellow Submarine (Animation)|Yellow Submarine]]'' soundtrack album out of existence (and out of print) in the process (at least before the '68 album was re-released with the remasters).
*** Like ''Let It Be'', the ''Yellow Submarine'' issue is helped by the fact that the original was not considered one of the band's better efforts to begin with and the reworking removes some of the cruft and filler (mainly the George Martin soundtrack instrumentals which, while not bad themselves, aren't of a great deal of interest to most Beatles fans), and in a similar fashion to the US ''Magical Mystery Tour'' example, replaces them with better-regarded songs which also appear on the soundtrack (such as "Eleanor Rigby", "Nowhere Man" and "Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds").
** Almost all modern Beatles fans believe that the original Capitol LPs don't exist because, if they do exist, then Capitol remixed the songs, adding echo and fake stereo, and messed so much with running order that, between 1963 and 1966, there would be more Capitol LPs than original EMI LPs if they existed. This includes fans who have never known the albums even when [[Canon Dis Continuity]] ''isn't'' figured in. There are definitely sleeves to ''Yesterday... and Today'' floating around, some with the Butcher Cover, but ''Yesterday... and Today'' as an LP is generally denied the dignity of existing because even the band hated the idea of it. The album of ''[[Magical Mystery Tour (Film)|Magical Mystery Tour]]'' exists because it is better to accept the Capitol LP version than the British EP -- but then, it's not normally treated as a Capitol Beatles album.
** Speaking of ''Let It Be'', the existence (or not) of the digitally remastered re-release ''Let It Be... Naked'' can provoke fist-fights under the right circumstances. For its detractors, it's not the original album and never will be, and it butchers the original songs for the sake of [[Paul McCartney (Music)|Paul McCartney]]'s ego. (McCartney was the driving force behind the re-release; he never liked the original, especially not the way his songs were produced on it). For its supporters, it removes the inconsequential fluff, spiteful sabotaging, and syrupy over-producing, and it restores the songs to the way they should have been, making the entire album a stronger and superior work in the process.
* It's not just [[The Beatles (Musicband)|The Beatles]] as a group, either; the solo members get this as well:
** There are a good many fans of [[The Beatles (Musicband)|The Beatles]] who outright deny that [[John Lennon (Music)|John Lennon]] had a subsequent solo career. Perhaps one or two of his albums are acknowledged, but even then they are marred by the fact that he did not include his best singles on them ("Instant Karma!", "Merry X-Mas War is Over", and "Give Peace a Chance" most egregiously). Even his fans are likely to deny albums like ''Some Time in New York City'', ''Mind Games'', and ''Walls and Bridges''. It could probably go without saying that almost everyone has tried to repress the memory of a certain woman standing next to him, shrieking. To many people the phrase [[Yoko Ono (Music)|Yoko Ono]] is "nothing but gibberish I can't hear you Lalalalala"
** There is some uncertainty about how many albums [[Paul McCartney (Music)|Paul McCartney]] has recorded since 1976. There are many people who don't think he recorded anything between ''Tug Of War'' and ''Flaming Pie''. Some seem to think his recording career ended when [[Wings (Musicband)|Wings]] did, or didn't exist between then and his latest album. (Interestingly, people taking that position often keep it even when the "latest album" changes.)
* Less dedicated fans of [[Queen (Music)|Queen]] would probably pretend ''Hot Space'' didn't exist, if it weren't for the fact that it contains "Under Pressure," one of the band's biggest hits.
** It's worth mentioning that [[David Bowie (Music)|David Bowie]] was meant to guest star on all the songs, not just that one, but he, well, hated them. And this was right before ''his'' [[Canon Dis Continuity]].
** Queen themselves ignored the other songs on ''Hot Space''. In their last two major tours with Freddie Mercury, only "Under Pressure" was performed live.
** Also, Queen and [[The Scrappy|Paul Rodgers]] never met.
* Depending on the individual fan, [[Pink Floyd (Music)|Pink Floyd]] didn't produce anything a) after Syd Barrett left (whether or not ''A Saucerful of Secrets'' counts or not varies), b) before and/or after either ''[[The Dark Side of the Moon]]'' or ''[[The Wall]]'' (arguably their most famous works; a few only consider the four albums of that period), or c) after Roger Waters left.
** Some of the remaining fans (which to be fair are more than you'd expect with the sort of discontinuity the band gets) have gotten confused by the hate, as Floyd tried to turn the clock back to their most productive (and popular) period. (''Meddle'' to ''Wish You Were Here''). On the other hand they'd also be the first to admit that the lyrics had taken a bit of a knock since then.
** [[Creator Backlash|The band members themselves]] are making a conscious effort to erase ''Atom Heart Mother'' from their memories.
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* Many hardcore fans do embrace it as a great exploratory departure album, and the band is quite fond of it, but to the casual fanbase and general listening public, Def Leppard never released an album called ''Slang''. (On the tour to promote the album, the band even found themselves dropping the new songs from the set list and digging back into the 80's library to replace them, thanks to audience rejection of "the new Def Leppard.") The next studio album, ''Euphoria'', saw a return to the slickly produced arena rock sound that made them so big in the first place.
* More than a few fans of The Corrs dismiss everything post-''Talk On Corners'' -- which means starting without the virtual remix album, ''Talk On Corners: Special Edition''.
* [[Daft Punk (Music)|Daft Punk]] have released from one to four albums depending on who you talk to. To elaborate: their first album was the French house-style ''Homework''. Their second album, however, was the electropop ''Discovery'', causing some of their house fans to disown them. The pro forma third album, ''Human After All'', is the one most often discarded for sounding rushed, repetitive and incomplete. Whether or not the live album ''Alive 2007'' counts depends on how you view the first three (though review website Pitchfork admitted that ''Alive 2007'' did help to validate the existence of ''Human After All'').
** This does not count the first live album, ''Alive 1997'', which consists of songs from ''Homework''.
* Some say there are no [[Aerosmith (Music)|Aerosmith]] albums after 1977.
** According to others, they went back into business due to [[Run DMC]]'s involvement. But most certainly the band never participated in the soundtrack for ''[[Armageddon]]''...
** Many fans also like to believe that Aerosmith took a five year break from 1979-1984 and certainly didn't break up and make crappy albums. Also, considering modern evidence (''[[Guitar Hero]]: Aerosmith'', anyone?), [[Canon Dis Continuity|the band probably agrees]].
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** Liam, on the other hand, likes it. The fans are [[Broken Base|split down the middle]] not only with regard to BHN but with every one of their albums except the first two. When a survey was done asking 100 fans which twenty songs should appear on the "best of" compilation album, there were ''no songs'' (even obvious choices) that featured on everyone's list. No songs from ''Be Here Now'' appeared on ''Stop the Clocks'' (the aforementioned "best of" collection) anyway. Not even "Don't Go Away", the one song on the album that was universally praised by critics. (Noel considered including "'D'You Know What I Mean", but felt [[Epic Rocking|its length]] ruined the pacing)
** And now that the band is over, [[The Band Minus the Face|Beady Eye]] tries to forget its existence, not playing any Oasis material in concerts (unlike Noel).
* "The End Is the Beginning Is the End" is the end for a lot of [[The Smashing Pumpkins (Music)|The Smashing Pumpkins]] fans. And, really, the band itself.
** At the height of the band's popularity this was true. Now of days, most fans either disown anything after 2000, just ''Zeitgeist'', or after Jimmy left the band. A lot of the fans are actually liking the new material from ''Oceania'', so who knows.
* Ask any blues fan, and they'll swear up and down that Howlin' Wolf and Muddy Waters never bothered to stoop so low as to record ''psychedelic rock'' albums during the late '60s.
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* Depending on which of most old AFI fans you are asking, they never released anything after their first three major albums, they disbanded right before joining any major label, or simply haven't released anything ever since ''Sing the Sorrow'' but may be working on something right now.
** Also, some may remind you that Davey and Jade never considered using synthetizers in their songs, let alone make a side-project containing almost no guitar track.
* To the Chinese Cultural Department, [[Guns N' Roses (Music)|Guns N' Roses]] [[Banned in China|never released Chinese Democracy]].
** Many fans not situated in China would like to take a similar stance, holding that nothing was released following the ''Use Your Illusion'' albums. (And nothing ''was'' released after 1994 until 2008, except for the one-off song "Oh My God", yet another unpopular song.)
** Basically when Slash left the group, the band ceased to be.
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* In the late '90s, [[Garth Brooks]] recorded a CD in the role of Chris Gaines, the central character of his planned movie, ''The Lamb''. Sales were disappointing (by Brooks' standards; it still went double platinum), the reception was lukewarm, the movie was eventually canceled, and the whole Gaines project forgotten by just about everybody. Never mind that it produced his only top 40 pop hit.
** Garth's sales were starting to decline as early as 1995, with the generally panned ''Fresh Horses'' which failed to produce a hit on the magnitude of "The Dance" or "Friends in Low Places". ''Sevens'' was also lukewarm, but at least had a huge hit in "Two Piña Coladas".
* Metal enthusiasts prefer to think that 1992's ''Countdown to Extinction'' was the last album recorded by [[Megadeth (Music)|Megadeth]]. ''Speed'' Metal enthusiasts try to ignore everything after 1990's ''Rust in Peace''. Come 2004's ''The System has Failed'', they didn't know what to think. ([[Win Back the Crowd|It was a return to form]], and ''United Abominations'' and ''Endgame'' are in the same position.)
** A significant portion of the Megadeth fandom that otherwise enjoy everything else tend to claim that ''Risk'' doesn't exist. However, considering [[Executive Meddling|the story behind that album]]...
** There are some of us who believe that 'Cryptic Writings' was the last 'classic' Megadeth album, ignore ''Risk'', and claim that everything afterward is a comeback album.
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* Most fans of The Cars disown the New Cars period with Todd Rundgren singing. Especially after the original lineup, minus late bassist Ben Orr, reunited, toured and recorded the reunion album ''Move Like This''.
* [[Kamelot]] fans subvert this. While most agree that Dominion and Eternity were bad, they generally acknowledge the time before Roy Khan.
* [[Linkin Park]] fans seem to have this in spades, You have a small group of early fans who thought Meteora wasn't heavy enough. Even more fans that felt Minutes to Minute was them selling out and newer fans thinking the older stuff was too heavy. A Thousand Sun's broke the base even more, as they band remained softer but went in the opposite direction of their sell out accusation of MTM and has ATS be a [[Doing It for Thethe Art]] Album. With many even newer fans feeling there old music is too immature and unrefined.
* Little is as entertaining as listening to two [[Faith No More]] fans argue about whether the band's first two albums, recorded with singer Chuck Mosley, should count.
** There are other fans who argue that the final two albums without Jim Martin don't count.
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* Every fan of The Tea Party will tell you that their final album, Seven Circles, doesn't exist. The average fan will say that everything after Triptych is a myth, and a slightly smaller sect will tell you that everything after Transmission doesn't exist. Then, you've got the small group who refuses to believe that Transmission ever existed, solely on the basis of its industrial influences, and that The Tea Party only put out two blues rock albums, and called it quits. Strangely, very few fans thinks any of their albums are bad, as a matter of fact, most will tell you that "they're still better than 99% of everything else," up to, and including the much hated Seven Circles.
* [[Van Halen]] only had two frontmen, David Lee Roth and Sammy Hagar. Some fans deny the existance of the latter, but no one ([[Canon Dis Continuity|including the band]], as shown in their compilation albums) wants to admit there was a third singer.
* [[U 2U2]]'s fandom is divided on which albums not to acknowledge. All after ''Joshua Tree'', all after ''Achtung Baby'', and (most common) the two between ''AB'' and ''All that You Can't Leave Behind''.
** Regardless of their feelings on their later albums, almost everyone completely ignores ''Pop.''
* Most [[Pantera (Music)|Pantera]] fans refuse to acknowledge that the band originally began as a hair metal group. This is a sentiment with the band itself; [[Old Shame|all members of the band discount all albums]] released prior to ''Cowboys From Hell''. They did license a pre-''Cowboys'' track for ''[[Donnie Darko]]'', but apparently under the condition that it didn't have the Pantera name attached to it - it's listed in the credits as being performed by the (non-existent) band Dead Green Mummies.
** On the other hand, there is a much smaller segment of fans who enjoy those early albums (which they will vehemently insist are not glam, dammit, have you even listened to ''Power Metal''?), and maintain that the band broke up after either ''Power Metal'' or ''Cowboys From Hell'' (depending on who you ask).
* [[Yes]] fans tend to disagree over which albums did or didn't happen. It doesn't help that the band suffers a [[Broken Base]], with "Troopers" preferring their earlier works and "Generators" preferring their later works, but even they have internal conflicts; for example, Troopers will debate ''Tales from Topographic Oceans''.
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** Some of us found Owens voice obnoxious but respected the musicianship of the rest of the band and are actually excited.
** This is known as the Chiodos principal. While its agreed [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76aNUgUvlRs&feature=related This] is better than [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvEzJpKg4ko&feature=related This], It still pales in comparison to [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XUTXPaE7qM This]
* Subverted with [[Tori Amos (Music)|Tori Amos]]' fanbase. Instead of refusing to acknowledge the albums that they hate, Toriphiles will bash them. (With the possible exception of ''Y Kant Tori Read'', given that it's pretty much [[Canon Dis Continuity]].) Although it seems to be played straight with ''Strange Little Girls'', her covers album, even with Tori herself. On her 2009 tour, she only performed material from this album ''twice''.
** On her very brief 2010 tour, one SLG song made the setlists twice. With only about a dozen shows and 11 albums, many b-sides, side projects, and other material to choose from, it's not that bad a representation. SLG songs were very plentiful in 2007, even songs that had not been done in years. 2003 and 2005 tours were not completely bereft of SLG songs either.
* Ask a [[Bon Jovi]] fan about Alec John Such. [[Nobody Loves the Bassist|See if they know.]]
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** A subset of Weezer fans have no problem whatsoever with ''Weezer'' (the green one) and ''Maladroit'', despite both being extremely short and not as good as the first two records. The four albums after that though...
* A minority of [[Starflyer 59]] fans insist that the 2004 album ''I am the Portuguese Blues'' isn't a proper Starflyer album, for a few reasons: it's not up to the same standards as most Sf59 releases, it was a jarring departure from Sf59's sound at the time, and eight of the ten tracks were originally written for a side project that never saw the light of day.
* Depending on one's musical tastes, either [[SmashmouthSmash Mouth]]'s first album, ''Fush Yu Mang'', consists of "Walkin' On The Sun" and nothing else, or else their two follow-up albums don't exist. Their fourth album is pretty much disowned by everyone.
* About the only two [[Dream Theater (Music)|Dream Theater]] albums that all fans agree exist are ''Images and Words'' and ''Metropolis Part 2: Scenes From a Memory''. ''Images and Words'' is considered their defining album and ''Scenes From a Memory'' is considered their masterpiece, but their other albums all draw large numbers of people trying to ignore them. ''Train of Thought'', ''Octavarium'', and ''Systematic Chaos'' are considered too heavy, ''When Dream and Day Unite'' sounds too much like it came out of the '80s (it was released in 1989) and they have a different singer (ironically, the current singer is considered the weakest member of the band and is often [[The Scrappy]] or the [[My Friends and Zoidberg]]), ''Awake'' is considered unable to live up to its predecessor, ''Images and Words'', ''Falling into Infinity'' is too mainstream sounding, ''Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence'' is generally well received, though it has just one song that stands out ("The Glass Prison") and the title track, for a 42 minute long song, isn't as epic as expected, leaving some fans a little disappointed. Their most recent album, ''Black Clouds and Silver Linings'' has been well received, but the sheer amount of [[Narm]] in "The Count of Tuscany" and "A Nightmare to Remember" (along with Portnoy's rendition of a death metal growl that needs a little work) leads some fans to disown that album as well. Not all fans dismiss all albums but the two mentioned above, which makes it even more difficult to know what songs to avoid mentioning out of fear of flame wars. And to make it even more complicated, not all songs on all their albums have similar sounds, so it's even possible for certain songs to be disowned while the album in general is liked. Things can get a little messy there.
** Many old-school metalheads will tell you that their only albums were ''When Dream and Day Unite'', ''Images and Words'', and ''Awake''. Sometimes ''Scenes from a Memory'' is included, but they'll still tell you they've never heard of anyone named Jordan Rudess.
* Irish band Altar of Plagues stated in an interview that they disregard the first EP they recorded, the "First Plague" EP. Indeed, if one goes to their [[My Space]] page, only their debut album and the other three [[E Ps]] they recorded are listed.
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* Most [[Elvis Costello]] fans would prefer to pretend ''Goodbye, Cruel World'' doesn't exist. Even [[Creator Backlash|the man himself]] called it his worst album in the liner notes for the CD re-release.
* Similarly, never mention ''Under Wraps'' to a [[Jethro Tull]] fan.
* Fans of [[REM (Music)|REM]] are divided as to when the band split up. Some claim it was after they switched labels from IRS to Warner Brothers, and thus they didn't produce any albums past ''Document''. Others claim that when drummer Bill Berry left, the rest of the band went as well so ''New Adventures in Hi-Fi'' was the last R.E.M. album produced. Many in the latter camp though agree that they recorded two reunion albums without Berry (''Accelerate'' and ''Collapse into Now'') before disbanding for real.
* The vast majority of Morbid Angel fans are still waiting for the veteran [[Death Metal]] band to release their "I" album. Others maintain that they broke up after the initial departure of David Vincent, or possibly even after ''Covenant''.
* The [[Bee Gees]]' "First" LP was actually their fourth - they released two prior albums as a local Australian act, "The Bee Gees Sing and Play 14 Barry Gibb Songs" and "Spicks & Specks." (They also recorded a wealth of material for a third LP, of which an acetate was pressed, but the disc was never released - at least, until all but two of its tracks appeared on an unauthorized German compilation, "Inception/Nostalgia.")