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== There are monsters on the moon because the [[Final Fantasy IV
All of the monsters on the moon are genetically engineered bio-weapons created by the now hyper-advanced race of Hummingways. The Lunar Cry phenomenon actually keeps happening because they are trying to get back to Earth and take over the world. They even created the space monsters just to make sure nobody could attack the moon, thus ensuring that some day, they will finally succeed in an invasion.
* The first sign of their plan, as revealed on the Headscratchers page, was the fact that every moon-based monster could be turned into [[Sidetracked
== In a later iteration of the stable time loop, Ultimecia wins. ==
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** Doesn't serious number crunching require... I dunno... some serious numbers to mean anything? As for the power she's actually using to compress time, yes, most of it scatters across time. Or rather, was ''already'' scattered across time, in the form of the sorceresses she hijacked with the Ellone machine.
== The game takes place on the same planet as [[
Let's take it point-by-point:
* The geography, seen [http://www.ffodyssey.com/ff3/ff3_worldmap.gif here] and [http://ui23.gamespot.com/886/finalfantasyviiimap_2.jpg here], is fairly similar, moreso than any other game in the series.
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** Not true. The elemental crystals in III are never destroyed, and are perfectly intact at the end of the game.
*** They might be intact at the end of III, but the time involved in making the floating continent collapse into the sea, mentioned above, could permit another "Flood of Light" to occur, a few thousand years later. The new breed of Dark Warriors could come up with an unconventional method which would necessitate destroying all the Light and Dark Crystals in order to banish the Void once and for all.
** By that logic, one could assume that Guardian Forces are born from the shard fragments. Their abilities are derived from a few Job Classes. If the Summons purchased or won derived their power from the Crystals, Light or Dark, it would help explain how each shard is now a creature. It's fairly similar in concept as to how Crystal Shards each held a different class in [[
* The hands of the clock tower in Ultimecia's Castle point to VIII and III.
* You can say Unei's mastery over dreams is in tandem with Ellone's power to transfer one's consciousness into the past.
* Ellone (nicknamed Elle) shares a similar plot role with Aria (named Elia in the Japanese version), both being [[Barrier Maiden|Barrier Maidens]] that help the group travel to other dimensions or worlds.
* The lowerworld of ''[[
* The orphanage reveal: They are played out in both games almost exactly the same. American players frequently point this scene out as being "out of place" or an [[Ass Pull]] because up until 2006, they had no frame of reference to place the significance of the scene in.
** Except that there is no orphanage reveal in ''[[
*** This point is irrelevant considering previous points- the amount of time it would take the floating continent to collapse in the sea wold indicate enough time has passed for the old world order to be wiped from the face of the planet. Regardless if there was an orphanage in [[
* Ultimecia's castle appears to reside in an interdimensional Void, similar to that of the Dark World.
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* Except the game establishes you ''can't'' change the past. That was what Ellone was trying to accomplish by sending the party back to relive Laguna's life, and she says you can't change the past.
** Well, maybe she did it during the Time Compression, implying that... the entire game is taking place during the Time Compression!
*** The entire story actually taking place during the ending sequence? [[Neon Genesis Evangelion
== Ultimecia is [[Kid From the Future|a descendent of Squall and Rinoa]] ==
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Dovetailing with the Squall is Dead theory, Squall's party was never meant to succeed in assassinating Edea. Seriously, why would SeeD send fresh-from-training, wet-behind-the-ears cadets on such an important mission? No, much like the protagonists of ''[[Spies Like Us]]'', Squall and his party were meant merely as a distraction, claiming the Sorceress' attention so that she would not notice the true threat, coming to her from within her own ranks... Seifer. After Squall was mortally wounded and went into his delirium, Seifer flew into a rage (Hey, he may have bullied Squall, but in the end, they were both SeeD, even if Seifer had to pretend not to be) and slew Edea right then and there. He then rendezvoused with Rinoa, debriefed her group, and they all mourned their fallen comrade together. Seifer and Rinoa went on to live a long and happy life together.
* But Squall has the GFs. Plus, he beat Seifer in the duel right before Edea. If Edea can beat the guy who beat Squall, plus Irvine and Rinoa, how would Seifer win?
** In the immortal words of [[The Order of the Stick
** So, Seifer has a secret GF that's undrawable, he's way more powerful than anyone else, and he was always one of the good guys? This isn't WMG, this is just a bunch of Fanwank.
*** Dear boy, what did you think WMG ''was''?
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== Ultimecia is trying to compress time in a misguided attempt to understand the non-existent timeline/continuity of the [[Final Fantasy]] series. ==
In Ultimecia's time period, she spent a lot of time playing the games of the series. However, she believed that all of the games shared a single timeline and constantly tried to formulate one on the [[Final Fantasy
== Quistis Trepe is [[Asexuality|Asexual]] ==
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The reason why Squall is so indifferent is because he's figured out the secret to ultimate power in the world of [[FF 8]]: playing cards. Actual training is for losers.
* Following this to its logical conclusion, Squall is the [[FF 8]] world's [[Yu-Gi-Oh!|King of Games]].
== Ultimecia was an insane, ''alternate'' version of Rinoa that, thanks to Squall's efforts, will never come to exist. ==
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Rinoa resolves to somehow go back and [[Set Right What Once Went Wrong]], and knows from experience that by achieving [[Instrumentality|Time Compression]], [[Neon Genesis Evangelion|she can be with her beloved again]]. However, she doesn't have the time or experience wielding Time Magic to accomplish this, so she spends the rest of her life researching a way to [[Grand Theft Me|transfer her mind along with her powers when she dies]]. In this way, [[Kingdom Hearts Birth By Sleep|she'll have until the end of time to learn what she needs to]]. However, she uses the name of the current host Sorceress instead of her own.... [[Continuity Nod|and untold generations later a woman by the name of Ultimecia is born...]] Ultimecia becomes the latest host to Sorceress Rinoa, and it is in this period that she finally figures out how to achieve [[Instrumentality|Time Compression]].
However, [[Chekhov's Gunman|the White SeeD]] have been fighting a war of attrition across generations to try and stop this, and they actually come close to winning because [[Orcus
Just as she nears her goal, though, Rinultimecia suddenly realizes that Time Compression would be really, really bad - i.e., a [[Negative Space Wedgie]] of horrific proportions - and alters her plan at the last minute to using Junction Machine Ellone so that she can [[Sharing a Body|Junction herself to her]] ''[[Sharing a Body|original]]'' [[Sharing a Body|self]]. However, [[Future Me Scares Me|Rinultimecia Terrifies Rinoa]], which results in something kind of like an [[Angst Coma]]. This is when Rinoa's passed out/possessed in Disc Three. Rinultimecia has a stronger will, which means she can move their shared body around, but not enough so that she can [[Uncanny Valley|move it fluidly]], resulting in the [[Zombie Gait]] when Rinoa gets up and moves. However, because she can't communicate effectively with Squall or Rinoa to explain what she's doing, everything goes horribly wrong ''almost'' [[Yank the Dog's Chain|when she gets the chance to reunite with her love]]. Only having what information is available to them, the [[Five-Man Band]] surmises that Ultimecia is a villain who must be stopped, but [[The End of the World
Rinultimecia [[Sequential Boss|tries everything she can think of to calm the heroes, or at least Squall, down]]. She creates Griever, the Squall's ideal of strength and pride, as a sort of [[Trust Password]], but Squall doesn't take the bait. She ends up resorting to [[Disney Death|temporarily removing the other heroes from the timestream]] to get Squall alone, but he mistakenly believes that his [[True Companions]] have been [[Killed Off for Real]], and [[Unstoppable Rage|flips out]]. Upon realizing that there's no way to make Squall recognize who she is, [[Despair Event Horizon|her heart finally breaks completely]], accepts that [[You Can't Fight Fate]], and lets her once and future husband-to-be [[Mercy Kill|put her out of her misery]] after [[No Ontological Inertia|ensuring that all of her magicks will undo themselves upon her death]], [[I Want My Beloved to Be Happy|allowing Squall and past-Rinoa]] to live [[Happily Ever After]].... [[Tear Jerker|but only]] [[Stable Time Loop|for a time]].
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** Original poster here: Rinultimecia remembered how those attempts had made her original self stronger as well as being important points in her relationship with Squall, and had to ensure that it was a [[Stable Time Loop]] until she saw an opportunity to drive everything [[Off the Rails]].
*** But if that's the case, why wouldn't she also remember that her past self would be terrified of and resist her, and that her efforts would result in Squall fighting against and trying to kill her? Why is she coherent enough to make a whole [[New Era Speech]] in disc 1 and verbally identify Squall as "the legendary SeeD destined to face me" in disc 2, but not enough to try to communicate to him that she is in fact Rinoa and just trying to reunite with him?
**** OP: <raises hand and opens mouth, promptly shuts it> .... [[Beat]] Hrm. That..... is a ''really'' good point. [[Logic Bomb|I'll get back to you on that one]]. EDIT: Rinultimecia herself had forgotten about the whole [[Future Me Scares Me]] thing, the speech was [[Fighting From the Inside|Edea]] ''[[Poor Communication Kills|mistaking]]'' Rinultimecia for an actual villain and trying in vain to orchestrate a [[Heroic Sacrifice]]/[[Taking You
== Ultimecia is possessed by the Dark Cloud. ==
Feeding off the theory that [[
== Seifer is Adel's kid. ==
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* He kills Odin.
* He is capable of fighting the group, but is obviously holding back.
* He's named after [[
== Rinoa is Yuno ==
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