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*** It only says a Sorceress must pass on her powers ''before'' she dies, not that they can only pass them on ''when'' they die.

* Most likely, a lot of power is lost in the process of the sorceress being defeated and her power transferring to the next sorceress, particularly in the case of Ultimecia getting the crap beaten out of her in time compression and traveling through time to pass her powers to Edea. There's also no guarantee that Ultimecia is necessarily the ultimate recipient of Rinoa's sorceress power - it's never stated for certain that any character is the "last" sorceress.

** Doesn't serious number crunching require... I dunno... some serious numbers to mean anything? As for the power she's actually using to compress time, yes, most of it scatters across time. Or rather, was ''already'' scattered across time, in the form of the sorceresses she hijacked with the Ellone machine.

 

** Not true. The elemental crystals in III are never destroyed, and are perfectly intact at the end of the game.

*** They might be intact at the end of III, but the time involved in making the floating continent collapse into the sea, mentioned above, could permit another "Flood of Light" to occur, a few thousand years later. The new breed of Dark Warriors could come up with an unconventional method which would necessitate destroying all the Light and Dark Crystals in order to banish the Void once and for all.

* The hands of the clock tower in Ultimecia's Castle point to VIII and III.

* You can say Unei's mastery over dreams is in tandem with Ellone's power to transfer one's consciousness into the past.

**** ...how is "Squall and Rinoa being together ultimately proves destructive because Rinoa goes crazy from losing Squall and becomes the monster they fought to defeat, forcing Squall to kill her" in any way a better or happier ending than "Squall is on the road to getting over his issues and, yeah, Ultimecia will rise sometime in the future but we already know she'll lose because Squall and company will travel into the future to defeat her"?

** Wait, what? What does Ultimania state ''exactly''? That Sorceresses have normal human lifespan, that Rinoa is not Ultimecia, or '''both'''? The last time [[Silent Reverence|I]] played the game and discussed it with a friend, we found interesting that at one point in the game Rinoa is encased in Esthar in a Adel-esque fashion ''because of the sorceress powers''. Then Squall took the path to rescue her and she made it a point during a later discussion (can't remember the point of the game) that in the end she expected him to do so. Had Squal ''not done so'' (as he originally wasn't), Rinoa could have been in suspended animation for whatever time is needed, developing a (justified) grudge against [[SEE Ds]] and longing for the Knight Who Never Came. And there is a specific crisis point, close to the end of Disk 2, where Rinoa's mindset seems to be much alike what Ultimecia is stated to desire -- in particular, something about not wanting for time to pass if Squall was not around. Pretty much what one may feel trapped IN SPACE forever, seeing that Adel him/herself was mostly partly conscious most of the time (Disc 1). Long story short, ''Alternate Universe Rinoa''.

*** I doubt anything ages when it's placed in suspended animation inside of a cryo-capsule. Besides, Adel managed to survive up in space without food or water, first and foremost, and she was already old enough (at the point in which she was sealed) to consider getting an heir. If the sealing ''didn't'' stop a Sorceress from aging, it would raise the problem of how Adel can even ''move'' after seventeen years of inaction. All she'd be fit to do at that point would be to pass on her powers to the next person in line.

* That and most of the remaining evidence is circumstancial and requires some serious [[Alternate Character Interpretation]].

* Rinoa said she could see what was going on in Ultimecia's head while she was possessed. Shouldn't Rinoa have been able to figure it out from that? But she says nothing about it.

** Additionally, Ultimecia has no problems trying to off Squall and Rinoa both several times each, something that she shouldn't want to do if she's the future Rinoa having a [[Suicidal Cosmic Temper Tantrum]] over losing Squall. Arguing that she's too crazy to recognize either of them doesn't really fly since she ''is'' aware enough to recognize Squall as "the legendary SeeD destined to face me" and, if not sane, at least functional enough to get herself made Galbadian ambassador and put into a position from which to take over.

 

== Squall becomes Ultimecia. ==

* ....''[[Face Palm]]''

 

 

== Rinoa is Ultimecia in the past. ==

 

So essentially, Rinoa doesn't become Ultimecia, she always was, but she doesn't know it. By the way, following that logic, Adel is probably another past version of Ultimecia as well, and the whole brainwashing thing makes even more sense: Adel was obviously evil, and that led to her... him... it being frozen and sent into space. So to prevent this from happening again, she made sure Rinoa doesn't remember her original purpose (she doesn't have to as it is stated in the game Ultimecia only needs to temporarily take over her body for the time compression to work). Heck, that may even explain the importance of love in the scenario: Ultimecia made Rinoa hunt for a knight to make sure she wouldn't go insane after becoming a sorceress and be stopped before Ultimecia could possess her.

 

== Ultimecia is [[Kid From the Future|a descendent of Squall and Rinoa]] ==

* I always liked this idea. I'd imagine she was their grandchild or something and that she had already killed their older versions. We already know that the Guardian Forces destroy/erase your memory if you use it too much. Even Selphie that had only used Guardian Forces only recently as she transferred to Balamb had started losing some of her childhood memories. It is way to plausible to not be true, that the Guardian Forces had something to do with Ultimecia. Remember, she WAS using a Guardian Force herself that she seemed fairly familiar with. So Ultimecia must have forgotten a lot about her past.

** While she may be a decsendant her being their grandchild is impossible. Edea explains Ultimecia exists many generations into the future, making it impossible to simply wait and deal with her when she shows up. So far into the future that details about their battle with Ultimecia become faded enough that Ultimecia doesn't have enough information to actually win as she could have easily done had she known a few things straigth out (if she'd known Squall was her nemesis she'd have just killed him during the parade instead of saving him for interogation but she doesn't figure it out until her next battle with him).

*** In the English dialogue what Edea says is that almost all sorceresses in history have been "hand-in-hand" with a knight, and that most sorceresses without knights have ended up using their powers in evil ways. She also says "A knight will present you with peace of mind. He will protect your spirit." She doesn't say anything about passing the stress on to the knight.

*** Uh... just what else do you think "A knight will present you with peace of mind. He will protect your spirit." ''means''?

*** Because you're taking it too literally, that's why. You don't have to go through some magic ritual to transplant your stress to someone. You just have to lean on them too much and let them take the brunt of it.

 

 

== Ultimecia was born ''because'' Squall and co. defeated her. ==

* Isn't that what ''actually happens?'' [[Esoteric Happy Ending|The ending of the game as is]] [[Inferred Holocaust|isn't exactly a happy one, after all.]]

** Not really. Between Adel, Edea, and others implied before them, this never happened. [[Wild Mass Guessing|No reason to believe that fear of something so distant from people would propagate like that so far into the future.]] Nice Fanon/Fanwank, though.

 

== Squall and company were sent to help the Forest Owls because they were literally SeeD's "reject brigade" and SeeD's (corrupt at that time) leaders wanted them out of the way ==

 

Naturally, this being a jRPG, the reject brigade saves the entire universe.