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* The traditional understanding of [[Fire and Brimstone Hell|Hell]] is pretty much straight-up horror, often stated to be so horrible that what's actually in it [[You Cannot Grasp the True Form|beggars all description]]. The real [[Fridge Horror]] comes in understanding the philosophy and theology that justifies this. Basically, Hell is [[Laser-Guided Karma]] for the entire human race. What we could have done to deserve this is not the right question; the [[All Crimes Are Equal|categories and consequences of the sins committed are irrelevant]]. What justifies Hell is [[Humans Are
** Combined with a point made in the [[Karma Houdini]]'s [[Karma Houdini/
* The thought of ''any'' eternity (even including Heaven) is [[Fridge Horror]] to some, as explained at length in many examinations of "[[Who Wants to Live Forever?]]" In eternity, this is no longer merely a hypothetical question. By many accounts, you cannot cease to exist there. If you had nothing you could think to do there, boredom by itself would be a terrible and inescapable torment. This has been the basis for not only many theological treatises, but many not-so-traditional depictions of Hell in fiction, such as the [[Ironic Hell]] and the [[Self
** You could make the argument that if you were in actual heaven, it by nature will not allow or have room for one to become bored, and when I say "not allow" I don't mean unwillingly.
** That is really a big if. one would have to have about no artistic imagination or socail skill whats so ever to find themself in that kind of situation. just considering the amount people in heaven and that there are next to no limits to the things a person can do. wrost case scenario it would no more boring than ever day life on earth. hell on the other hand was meant to be that way.
*** Just because you can do anything doesn't mean you might not [[Be Careful What You Wish For|become extremely bored by your own decisions]]. The only afterlife that ''might'' be tolerable is a [[Mundane Afterlife]] (not too good, not too bad), ''if and only if'', if you do get bored, you can '''leave''' and be reincarnated or something.
*** That would really depend on what version of heaven one is referring too. and as mention before it also depends on the creativity the person(some religion even depict human can even creating their own worlds as well as being able to visited others and as well being able to see happens around the whole universe)and if that’s the case it's really a [[
* Just to round out the possibilities, however, the [[Cessation of Existence]] is also thoroughly horrible to contemplate: what does anything you do matter if someday you will no longer be around to appreciate any of the consequences of it? Why should anyone refuse to pursue all of his cruelest and most destructive desires if good and evil and everything in between all face the same ultimate reward? The majority of humans aren't [[The Existentialist|Nietzsche]], it's understandable they'd rather choose [[Fluffy Cloud Heaven|a shallow description of]] [[Who Wants to Live Forever?|eternity]].
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*** Arguably, you don't know what your final fate is. Only God does. Of course, all this contention does is seal you off from having any excuse for your actions, making predestination functionally the same as having free will.
*** Since you are not getting any feedback of your actions, and the majority of the humankind will find its final depository in the Hell anyway, what is the point on even attempting to be nice? According to St. Augustine, [[Insane Troll Logic|the sinner is not doomed to Hell because he commits sins; he commits sins because he has been doomed to Hell]]
*** That only if you already assumed yout going to hell.[[Self
* Christians believe that the only way to get into heaven is through Jesus. That the one and ONLY way to get into heaven is by accepting Jesus into your life and following his teachings. What about the people who came before Jesus? Or the ones who've never even heard of him? What becomes of them? Poor Buddha!
** Tradition states that those Jews pre-Jesus who were faithful to God were ascended at the Resurrection of Christ. Also, Catholic Orthodoxy states that good non-Christians go to Limbo, where there are merely sighs, not torments. Although,
*** Limbo is somewhat of a [[Nightmare Retardant]]. Hell [[Captain Obvious|is a bad place to go]], and Heaven [[Victory Is Boring|has]] [[Who Wants to Live Forever?|its]] [[Big Brother Is Watching|problems.]] Limbo is neither a place of torment or a [[Crap Saccharine World]], and you won't get bored from paradise.
*** Limbo was never a part of Catholic orthodoxy to begin with. While Paradise Lost was adapted by the papacy as [[Word of God]], the Divine Comedy, including Purgatorio(aka Limbo) was adapted as, [[Word of Dante|well]]...
*** Nope, Purgatory is a Catholic doctrine way earlier than Dante.
*** Purgatory is different from Limbo. Purgatory is the canon (official doctrine) place where souls are purified before heaven. Everyone who will go to heaven spends time in Purgatory. It is believed that prayers of the living can shorten the length of time spent in Purgatory. Limbo was a theory of where the souls who couldn't come to heaven and didn't deserve hell went. Limbo is only one possibility and was never
** In Romans 2, Paul writes about gentiles who were ignorant of the law but nonetheless were faithful to it through their actions. Many Christians believe this also applies to those ignorant of Christ, as in a person who does not intellectually know of Jesus, but nonetheless seeks God in his heart and seeks and does what is right will be shown mercy.
* Much of one's understanding of the above depends on how one interprets various parts of Scripture such as (particularly) Genesis and Revelation. How something should be interpreted depends on how it is written. History is history. Parable is parable. Vision is vision. Visions can be hard to understand, particularly on first glance. If, say, the apostle John saw the modern world in his vision, how on earth would he describe it? Most of what we have didn't even exist at the time in any way shape or form, and the future is only going to get weirder from his perspective.
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* [[Norse Mythology]]: The earth was apparently made from the corpse of Ymir, the first frost giant (soil from his flesh, rocks from his teeth, grass from his stubble, etc). This means that Ymir was ''[[Eldritch Abomination|at least as big as the planet, and probably bigger]]''.
** And clouds from his brain, according to some versions. You decide if the fact that such a being apparently had water vapor for brain [[Nightmare Retardant|lessens]] or increases the horror.
* Think about the Christian [[God]] for a second. It is an [[The Omniscient|all]]-[[Big Brother Is Watching|knowing]], [[Reality Warper|all]]-[[The Omnipotent|powerful]], [[Divide
** [[Your Mileage May Vary]] very much. For one thing, many religions and people have their own definitions of who God is and what he does that do not entirely agree with the description above.
** So, basically life is a "Saw" movie, only much larger in scope and more horrifying. Same goes for the gods of Judaism and Islam, by the way.
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*** For the first problem, sin exists apart from free will as [[Humans Are Flawed|human nature/instinct]]. The second problem is accurate, but shows a lack of understanding; God chose not to reverse sin immediately to prove that humans need him, and wasn't necessarily obligated to fix our ancestors' mistakes. The third problem is part inaccurate, part legitimate [[Fridge Horror]]. On one hand, Christians don't believe they'll be doing the same thing over and over. On the other hand, according to the Millenialist interpretation of Revelation, humans will join Satan and rebel against God after a thousand years of paradise. However, God would have no need to let inherited sin perpetuate itself a second time and would instead kill the rebels immediately; although that might relieve the unborn, it would make the [[Fridge Horror]] for the potential rebels arguably worse.
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