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** We usually see yuppie couple at the beginning of the night or with a throw away line about what they were up to. Xanatos is a harder one to understand. He's Ceo of a company and supposedly would need to handle some of the day to day operations of said company. The only think I can think is maybe he has some chemicals in his suit that make him stay awake all the time. :P As for some of the other characters that pop to mind: Macbeth is stated to follow the gargoyle lifestyle, as are the hunters, Owen probably does not sleep, and that's about it :P
** Xanatos simply plans to stay awake, and it happens. :p Seriously, though, maybe he's using a modified sleep program of some sort. There's all kinds of them out there that claim to leave you feeling rested and alert for more hours per day. He may be only sleeping
** I am pretty sure there are plenty of days between episodes and therefore adventures; people like Xanatos and Macbeth have plenty of time to catch up on their sleep in between with, say, a 12-16 hour snooze and simply pull all nighters when they need to, sometimes for a couple of days in a row.
*** This troper has actually heard that some CEO of big companies end up doing just this.
**** This Troper sleeps from about 2PM to 8PM, not everyone has "normal" schedules. Xanatos might just take 2 hour naps through out the day. I can see it now; it's 10 AM and Owen wakes him up from a 2 hour nap for 6 hours of Gambiting. Then another hour nap, etc.
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****** He's Xanatos so yes. Or it could be 2 stages of sleep. For a couple weeks this Troper got his 8 hours in 2 4 hour blocks. Once your body adapts to a schedule then you function normally until you hit that magic hour your supposed to go to sleep at, THEN you suddenly get sleepy.
****** So long as you get a minimum of six is what I've heard, however it can't be REM as that is still too 'active', and you lose a bit of the affect if woken suddenly. Many 'in the field' agents and soldiers and the like are trained to make do on as little as 3 or 4 in case of a sudden assault or other emergency. Ditto also emergency/disaster relief crews.
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== In "Temptation," Goliath is placed under a spell that forces him to obey the commands of anybody holding the pages containing said spell. ==
It quickly becomes clear that when given contradictory commands, Goliath drops the old command in favour of the new one (such as "grab her", and "let's go home".) The spell is "broken" with a command "I command you to act for the rest of your life exactly as if you were not under a spell"
* Most likely, yes, they destroyed it.
* Also, this was as far as I remember the only command that stated how long he should do it. Maybe, if Demona said something like "Hunt Brooklyn until he's dead", a contradictory command would do nothing.
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== Why do Goliath's clan show concern for Demona's safety whenever they work together, to the point of risking their own lives to back her up, when they know perfectly well that {{spoiler|Demona cannot die unless killed by Macbeth}}? ==
* To quote the ''[[Aladdin (Disney film)|Aladdin]]'' sequel, you'd be surprised what you can live through. The immortality spell might not necessarily mean they're [[Made of Iron]] and heal instantly when injured. So if she wasn't killed, she'd be maimed or burned or skewered or who knows, maybe even lose a limb. To protect "is the Gargoyle way."
** They don't know that. Also Word of God says Demona and Macbeth are not given immortality according to the spell. They are given eternal youth as long as they both live, but if one dies they both die. That they will not die until one kills the other is not part of the spell, but a prophecy.
*** Actually, it ''might'' be part of the spell or a prophecy.
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** In the Gargoyles universe all time is simultaneous and immutable. There doesn't need to be a first cause because the entire loop all exists together as a single event. it's like the old paradox of going back in time to meet Martin Luther king only to be dismayed because he's having trouble writing his "I have a dream" speech. So you write it from memory for him. So you got the speech from TV/school/books. but the TV/school/Books got the speech from him, but he got it from you.The speech didn't really come from anywhere. Gargoyles is 100% consistent on this too. When you get used to the way time travel works in the series this kind of thing makes a weird sort of sense. (Note: "Watchmen" and "The Time Traveler's Wife" and "The Terminator" [but not ''necessarily'' its sequels] among others use this same model for time Travel.)
** Both of these instances make Journeymen the world over cry. Not the apprenticeship-thing, I mean the time-traveling Dr. Who in diving bell suit guys. If both occurrences had been with other people, it would work...Perhaps even swapping the two of them, though that would drastically change the plotline of Vows, it would be far less thinky-hurty. As it stands, how would time be immutable if you could easily avert it with one or two actions? More accurately, there would either be a dimensional split between the two timelines, or memories upon return would change slightly. (The gate being a Fae artifact, there are probably limitations set in stone by magic. You are not allowed to change history THAT much...but you could potentially move the tracks a little.) Without theoretical magical interference, it should be quite simple to tell the Captain that Hakon has no intention of keeping his promise, and so as soon as the vikings chased off the Magus, they would be trapped inside as the gate closed, the Captain could blockade the doors to the castle walls, and then he could wait for the Gargoyles to emerge. Something must happen that either stops the newly enlightened Demona from telling the captain anything, or it barred her from seeing him or the other Gargoyles until the attack.
** Because when the moment comes when the time traveler could hypothetically take those 'one or two actions', circumstances will conspire to make sure there's ''some'' reason they don't. Every. Single. Time. That's what [[Stable Time Loop
** Many of those involved in stable time loops discussed here are also more emotional characters. They come to where they need to be because of a lack of emotional control, especially Demona. What's really interesting is the way Xanatos plays it. It's almost like he was [[Leaning
** Also note: the Gate isn't a Fae artifact. Well, that's not clear anymore. Originally, [[Word of God]] said the Gate was eternal, but when the comic where Brookly begins timedancing was actually published, it was shown breaking open and releasing a Phoenix. But we can assume the Phoenix is eternal.
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*** Hopefully Weisman will add it to the comics at one point, but with more intelligent antagonists. He HAS mentioned liking it IIRC, possibly the only one of Chronicles he did.
*** The full story is [http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=9873 a little more complicated than that]. Suffice it to say that ''all'' of the Chronicles are personally painful for him to watch, and more to the point he hasn't actually seen any of them other than "The Journey" since the late [[The Nineties|Nineties]]. But he doesn't hold the overall low quality of the season against the new creative staff, who were placed under ridiculously tight deadlines and cost-cutting measures as a result of [[Executive Meddling]], and so he slipped a line from the episode into canon as "a nice tribute to all the hard work that the TGC crew put in, with little thanks or reward."
* Think of it in the context of the other key events of the episode: the Archmage's power at this time belied his name, and he was clearly desperate and barely able to support himself on his own. After the attack costs him his eye, Hudson retires from active leadership, allowing Goliath to succeed him. Look at the frayed fringe on Hudson's
== What is that thing around one of Fox's eyes? I assumed it was makeup, until the werewolf episode and her eye still had the blue thing around it in wolf form. ==
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* I was always under the impression it was a birthmark, and most likely a sign of her inherent fey heritage.
* [[Word of God]] says it's a tattoo.
* That always confused
== Why didn't Goliath just use the Phoenix Gate to return to Manhattan as soon as he left Avalon? In later episodes he says he wants to see it all through, but he didn't have such an attitude when first venturing from Avalon. ==
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== Does it bug anyone else how disproportionally skilled a fighter Elisa seems to be? ==
For someone who has no special training (at least that we know of), she's successfully taken on opponents that should logically be able to wipe the floor with her. One can fanwank that the Gargoyles have given her some training offscreen (although, I feel, not enough to take on Demona), that still doesn't explain the commandos in "Awakening", particularly since Xanatos isn't the type of guy to anything but the best. A subtle case of [[Power Creep, Power Seep]]?
* She's a cop. In Fiction World, police frequently get unreasonable amounts of combat training.
** In Real Life, some cops also study martial arts. Go to any good martial arts school and ask around. Plus, as a relatively petite female, it would have been the smart thing for Elisa to do.
* Also keep in mind that Xanatos did not in fact want Goliath dead in Awakening; his commandos were plants to frame the rival company. They didn't have to be competent; their job was to either find a statue or be seen as hostile by the gargoyle. Using anybody capable of actually hurting Goliath would've been dangerous.
* Well, you're assuming most gargoyles would bother learning any formal fighting techniques in the first place. Most of the time they seem to fight in a very primitive and "bestial" manner (in case of doubt, throw something large), relying more on their superior strength and speed than on any formal training. (Notice that the only member of the Manhattan clan we ever see regularly using a weapon is Hudson, who is older than dirt even by gargoyle standards. No doubt he's compensating for his fading strength due to advancing age.) Demona, being effectively un-killable, has even ''less'' incentive than the average gargoyle to learn how to fight properly.
** Ehh...while I suppose there's enough evidence of that within the cartoon, there's also enough dialogue to suggest that we're meant to take the Gargoyles as superb fighters. There's Xanatos' comment that Goliath was "the greatest fighter that ever lived". Elisa's warning that Goliath had never actually beaten Demona, and the fact that Demona can hold her own against [[Macbeth]], who ''does'' have training and experience. Heck, power and skill levels are all over the place in the cartoon in
*** As clan leader Goliath may be an exception to the rule. I imagine gargoyle society works in a very "pack"-like way, with the roughest, toughest m* ther-f* cker in the clan usually being the one in charge until someone else challenges them and forces them out (Demona herself advises Goliath to ''overthrow'' Hudson because he's too old and weak to lead). Also, most of the time when Demona overpowered Goliath she did so through trickery or using some sort of magic or high-tech gadgetry. Off the top of my head I can't think of an instance where Demona actually bested Goliath in single combat. I think Elisa's warning to Goliath was in reference to the fact that he'd never captured or killed her, only foiled her schemes. That said, I can't really think of an explanation for the Macbeth issue...
**** Every time this has come up in the series, it's been at the discretion of the clan leader. Hudson ''chose'' to step down in favor of Goliath, and Goliath ''chose'' to make Brooklyn his second-in-command due to his clear-headedness in that episode.
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* Also worth remembering that the timeframe involved means Macbeth was raised Catholic, and suicide's a mortal sin. If he dies fighting Demona, at least, he can make an argument that he's stopping the immortal evil he unleashed. If he kills himself directly, he's giving in to despair. Not that this explains why Demona doesn't amputate his arms and legs.
== Xanatos jumping on the [[I Have You Now, My Pretty|lovely-hostage-Angela]] villain bandwagon in "Cloud Fathers" ==
Forget the fact that he's married at the time and his genuine love for Fox was shown to be a very important part of his character. He is ''not the type of villain'' who lusts after or flirts with hot captives! Where did that come from?! (Before anyone says it was part of his act, this was at the point where he was explaining to Goliath and Angela that this was all just an act.)
* Well he did say this was his "first stab at cliche villainy", for what it's worth. Still, I imagine he was just messing with Goliath's head (remember, he was actually talking to Goliath at the time, not Angela). He may not be the kind of villain who flirts with hot captives but he's ''definitely'' the kind of villain who takes sadistic pleasure in the discomfort of his enemies.
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** Also, even given the knowledge in the abstract, the guy took a nap, woke up, and Demona seemed more or less the same age. Without any signs of her lifespan enforcing her centuries on this earth, it can be very easy to forget.
** Both she and Xanatos lied to them. Remember, Xanatos told them that Demona was hit by the same spell and went through the same thousand year sleep all of them did. At that point, nobody corrected that piece of information, so as far as Hudson knows, she is younger than him. Though, as cocky as she is, one would think that would be the best time to correct him. "Fool, while you were sleeping, I fought the humans for centuries." or something.
** One thing Brooklyn absolutely learned by the end of "Temptation" was "Don't trust Demona." I would expect him to assume her stories about fleeing from humans for centuries was another lie to convince him [[Humans Are the Real Monsters|Humans Are Bastards]]. More importantly, aside from Demona's one line in "Temptation," ''the audience'' also had no inkling of her immortality by this point; we never saw her explain to Brooklyn, if she did, what "centuries long" meant. So, for all the Clan (Hudson included) and the viewers knew at this point when the show first aired, Demona is the same age she would be without the 1,000 year stasis, and Hudson is still the older and wiser...
** ...But even when we all realize Demona has lived centuries longer than Hudson, I agree the point still stands that Demona hardly grew or matured at all during the extra experience she gained. 1,000 years later, she's still a homicidal psychopath trying to get revenge on people who no longer exist just because she can't admit that she herself is responsible for what she claims drove her to seek vengeance in the first place! (You'd think she'd at least eventually get [[Bored
*** It's not just that episode, it's a major aspect of her character. She's stayed largely unchanged since betraying Macbeth because to do otherwise would force her to face up to her own part in all the crimes she blames on humanity. She's a perfect example of the aesop about those who don't learn from history.
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* The same thing can be asked of "City of Stone". Realistically speaking, simply having one of the worlds largest cities out of commission for five to ten hours two days in a row would be enough to cause a nationwide panic.
** City of Stone actually did have several car wrecks in the streets. As for hospitals, City of Stone has the excuse of them being, well, stone. If they're made of stone, then whatever is killing them will be put into stasis. Sun rises, and the doctor continues work as usual, and doesn't think anything of it until he glances at his watch.
** It's not physical damage I'm talking about. It's the fact that one of the economic centers of the world stops working from 7:00
** And what people thought when they turned back and spotted the former statues Demona had smashed?
*** Or, for that matter, the ones who only suffered non-fatal injury?
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*** This troper personally asked Greg if gay gargoyles might mate (assuming an unmated female was present) with a female once every twenty years for the purpose of procreation. Greg responded that he doubted that would happen, since if the population is that low, one extra egg probably wouldn't make much difference.
* You're forgetting one of the basic tenants of evolution. Every present-day trait is an adaptation for a past need. Turning to stone every morning is also inconvenient but they still do it because they needed some way to sleep safely. I imagine that homosexuality works the same way.
** No, that's not how evolution works at all. Every present-day trait isn't "an adaptation for a past need;" I'd love to know what past need freckles were for, or what past need made it so that those of us with Irish skin practically burn to a crisp. Present day traits are traits that just haven't proven ''bad'' enough to prevent the people with those traits from reproducing
If we assume, for the sake of argument, that homosexuality is a born-in trait passed on genetically, then it likely ''would'' have been bred out had it not been for people being forced to reproduce as their 'duty' simply because homosexual sex would obviously not lead to children.
*** Easy answer to the "Irish skin" part. The British Isles frequently experience cloud cover that blocks out the sun. The northern latitudes also mean that the winter days are short and people are going to be fully clothed pretty much all year round. That means the only people who won't get rickets (a bone disease which is a very powerful selective force since it can both cause a fetus to not properly develop and may also result in a girl's hips being deformed enough during puberty to make childbirth impossible) are the ones with very little melanin in their skin. Those same people are not as well adapted to sunny climates and burn easily as a result.
* Sorry I mis-uh typed. When I said "traits" I was talking about things like eyelids and sleep patterns. Eyeballs need protection so over time eyelids came into being.
** Again, that's not how evolution works. A species doesn't evolve things ''because'' they need them. They have random mutations. If a randomly mutated trait helps a given individual reproduce, then it's kept and passed on. If a randomly mutated trait prevents an individual from reproducing, then that trait is lost. It's not a case of a species subconsciously deciding, "I'm tired of my eyes getting poked all the time. Let's get to work on eyelids so my great grandkids can cover their eyes."
Hell, to use the example of the stone skin, [[Word of God]] is that it's an ''obsolete'', and currently detrimental, trait of the Gargoyle species. It was a beneficial adaptation when they first evolved (they could sleep without any fear of being killed), but became a liability when men's technology advanced to the point they could break stone.
** This troper read once in a site that the turning-into-stone-at-night thing wasn't even a natural characteristic of the gargoyles but a result of a massive spell placed on them sometime around 1 AD (this is a magically-ridden universe, after all). Of course, it might not be a official explanation and just well intentioned [[Wild Mass Guessing]].
*** Turning to stone was always a biological characteristic of gargoyles. The spell mentioned was a "modesty" spell the Romans put on the gargoyles to make sure their clothing and personal items also turned to stone with them, because they were apparently tired of the gargoyles going around naked all the time.
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== Is Angela a [[Disney Princess]]? ==
I mean, Goliath is the lawful leader of the Manhattan Clan, and she is his biological daughter.
** Well, there's the whole raised communally thing. Plus, Gargoyles don't use bloodlines to select leaders. The leader chooses a younger gargoyle as his/her second-in-command to be groomed for leadership. And Angela doesn't have an [["I Want" Song]]. Every Disney Princess has an I Want song! If she did, I could see her having something like Belle's Reprise before she leaves Avalon and for after she's been living in the real world for awhile, something like "God Help the Outcasts". Just replace "Gypsy" with "Gargoyle".
*** Good point. Her song would've been great, maybe if they put it in shortly after she finds out she's Goliath's daughter and is angsting about wanting his love and affection.
*** Yeah, I could see that. In that case, her I Want Song would be something like "Proud of Your Boy", something like "I Can Go The Distance" and something like "Reflection".
*** That would be good. Her singing about trying to reconcile the Gargoyle Way with her human upbringing, and why she loves a man who is forced to withhold all fatherly love from her.
* Not until they add her to the line, nope. And that line seems to be more about movies than series, anyways.
* Hmmm...seems that you need at least three things to be a Disney Princess. The [["I Want" Song]], an animal sidekick (Bronx?) and a [[Pimped
== Just how tall is the Eyrie Building? ==
* Its height seems pretty variable, when compared against assorted NYC landmarks. This troper remembers at least one shot that showed it around half again as tall as the WTC Towers, but others seem to be all over the place. Is there at least a range of its maximum and minimum heights?
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== The Quarrymen luring the gargoyles into traps by relying on their heroic nature ==
* In one episode the Quarrymen have a woman pretend to be in danger in order to lure the gargoyles into a trap. But wasn't the whole point of the Quarrymen that they thought the gargoyles were evil?
** [[Nineteen Eighty
** TGC doesn't count.
*** Agreed. Castaway in the comics is much smarter, but also refuses to admit the gargoyles may be capable of good.
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== Why does the previous generation's Hunter use a laser handgun in the flashback to his fight against Demona in 1980? ==
* I thought it had been established that laser guns were new and expensive machines at the time the series takes place? The only explanation I can think of is that it was a very advanced, rare prototype that he somehow got a hold of to help him during his showdown (for all the good it did him).
** [[Family
** Could also be a pistol that was censored into it. The only time a real gun can shoot real bullets is if it'll miss, which was averted once in the Extra Special Episode specifically about NOT using guns in the first place.
== Coyote is [[Two
Why? Xanathos repaired him not once but twice. But for some reason, the face continues to be "one-half xanatos, one-half [[Terminator]]" instend of just choosing one or the other.
** [[Rule of Cool]]. The robot face is menacing and connotes power, while the human half reminds everyone who the robot represents.
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== Xanatos moving Castle Wyvern ==
* Castle Wyvern dates back to at least the 10th century, and was the site of two battles during a Viking invasion of Scotland. That makes it an important historical site. Even if the British government was willing to sell the land and ruins to an American businessman, why would they allow him to take the castle out of the country?
** "Pay a man enough and he'll walk barefoot into Hell"
*** To say nothing of the fact that, historical site or no, renovating such places is typically done by charity money, and Castle Wyvern is explicitly mentioned to be considered haunted in modern
== What EXACTLY is Bronx ==
* He's not a gargoyle. Gargoyles are inteligent and bipedal. He's shown roughly human level inteligence, at least the ability to do follow commands more complicated than you could give a dog not named Lassie. If he IS a gargoyle dog are their cat and bear equivalents? Goliath buys into Raven's lie of Gargoyles with extremely odd physical appearances rather easily and the London clan. . .frankly it's a bit difficult to buy them all as the same species unless just like they were turned to stone for a thousand years that at some point in the distant past they WERE stone and some spell (perhaps a bored Puck) made them into what they are today. Otherwise Bronx makes no sense nor does the English group.
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