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== The Purple Piano Project ==

*** I agree, but I think it also has a bit to do with his voice and looks not being right. Tony was, after all, in a gang. I don't think anyone could buy Kurt being in a gang.

*** And the real difference here is that Beiste was being criticized for just being who she was. Kurt, on the other hand, was auditioning for a role that he didn't fit. It's like comparing a girl who gets teased for being short with a girl who is told she's too short to play Hermia in A Midsummer Night's Dream. Beiste isn't saying that there is anything wrong with Kurt being semi-feminine, she's just saying that he doesn't fit the part (and doesn't have the acting skills to fit the part). Sorry, but if you're auditioning for a play, it is expected that the director will critique your audition. And "can't play a manly-man role convincingly" is a valid critique. Pointing out the ways in which a person isn't right for a part in a play is not at all the same as making fun of a person.

** Agreed. Kurt picking a ''Streisand'' song to audition for the role of a straight leading man made no sense whatsoever. While he certainly has every right to act [[Camp Gay]] if he desires, it still comes across that he has issues with being masculine in ways that Beiste does not. To my knowledge, he has only performed songs by male artists 3 times in the entire series. And even then, the Springsteen cover was during his "straight" phase, and the two Beatles songs sounded more like the ''[[Across the Universe (film)|Across the Universe]]'' versions that were performed by women.

 

*** It could just be Mr Schue being [[Genre Savvy]]. He probably assumes they'll be able to get extra members at the last minute. Remember when they asked Jacob to come along? He was just there to fill the spot that Finn had left open, but Jacob was sitting in the audience with Emma, it was pretty obvious he wasn't going to perform. Besides, rules state you have to have a certain number of people, but not all of those people have to perform.

* Okay, seriously, Shelby should not be around teenagers at all EVER. I mean, Jesus. First she tracks down her daughter that she gave up for adoption. She didn't just seek her out, she manipulated a boy into dating her to get her to be willing to meet. And then a few weeks later rejected her because she wanted a baby, not a teenager. Well, gee, maybe you should have thought of that before you tracked Rachel down! But, okay, maybe she didn't know so she adopts Quinn's baby and that's nice. Then she turns around, comes back, tells Quinn "Oh, I want you to see your baby, but only if you dress and act in a way that I find appropriate". Again, perhaps you should have considered how Quinn might take that, given that you've brought her baby back into her life. And now she's hooking up with Puck. None of this would bother me so much if the show didn't seem to want us to root for Shelby. She should NOT be allowed to work with children of any age, and I kind of hope child services does come and take Beth away.

*** Actually, it is illegal. As far as I know, every state has laws about people in authority positions dating those they have authority over. There are sexual harassment laws that can be very prickly (but don't prevent relationships outright) for an employer/employee relationship, but Shelby is a teacher at Puck's school, which I'm pretty sure makes it one hundred percent no unless/until Puck graduates or Shelby leaves.

**** But Shebly isn't Pucks teacher, hell, she's barely a teacher at all! She leads a rival glee club that's missing a third of the people needed to actually compete, which makes her position meaningless.

* So {{spoiler|Karofsky transferred to another school.}} Which raises the question... how many schools ARE there in the greater Lima area? Isn't it supposed to be a small town?

** I think Lima is a small city, on the order of Orlando, FL or Syracuse, NY. It's not unrealistic for there to be 5 or 6 high schools in the area and a reasonable ability to move between them without moving house.

** Also for the record, Jonesboro, Arkansas is a city of 55,000 (even including the unincorporated area outside the city proper you're still only looking at about 65,000 people) making it about twice the size of Lima, Ohio and yet has four public school districts and at least three private schools, so it's not at all inconceivable that Lima has more than one.

** OP here. The reason it bothered me is because it seems like the show has made a pretty good effort to make us think McKinley is the only school in Lima - Dalton is like 40 miles away, as is Carmel. The people the football team play are never explicitly stated to be from the area. The sudden change was a bit jarring to me.

*** All right, but you're still forgetting something- for a club of any kind to be successful, everyone needs to get along. Sugar would likely have repeatedly clashed with everyone else, and may have demanded (and possibly got) key roles that, given her refusal to acknowledge how bad her singing voice is, could have lost them Sectionals or other contests. If Sugar was a sweet-natured girl (no pun intended) who acknowledged her lack of vocal talent but was willing to work on it, Will wouldn't have had a problem with accepting her. The club has enough problems as it is without a new bitch to screw everything up.

*** But nothing that Sugar said or did was any worse than the things that Season One Rachel said or did, and no one even considered for a second kicking Rachel out for her attitude problems. Yes, prolonged bad performances from Sugar would have caused them trouble at competition, but there were months in between to try to calm her down and teach her how to dance. Which, evidently wasn't even all that hard. Wasn't it worth trying for at least a little bit instead of giving up on her, especially when he already knew he was going to be running a dance workshop anyway? Sugar accepted a secondary role in the Troubletones after one verbal smackdown from Santana. Do you really think she wouldn't have backed down after Rachel, Mercedes, or Kurt went off on a diva rant on her?

**** OP here, my question wasn't about whether or not they should or shouldn't have kicked her out in the first place, although I agree with the above poster that it really wouldn't have killed them to give her a chance and if after a couple of weeks she wasn't showing any signs of improvement, then kick her to the curb. My question is does Shue, at the end of "Mash Off" feel like ass for kicking her out once he's seen it clearly demonstrated twice that Sugar was in fact teachable.

 

* Santana's grandmother is incorrect. Presuming she's Catholic, The Church's stance on homosexuality is to love the sinner, but not accept the sin- in this case homosexual actions/sex. Having sex outside of marriage would be seen as a sin, anyway, even if she were straight. Santana should have been encouraged to live a chaste life and accepted, always, as a person and family member. Though there would be a level in scandal in being openly gay and also calling yourself a devout Catholic, implying Catholicism is alright with it. Basically it's Failing Religious Studies to add drama.

** And since when has every single member of ''any'' religion followed it the way they should, especially regarding acceptance? Her reaction was realistic, if unfortunate.

** "Everyone has secrets, Santana. They're called secrets for a reason." "The sin isn't in the thing, it's in the scandal when people talk about it aloud." It seems pretty clear to me from those statements that it wasn't so much about Santana being a lesbian in and of itself, but what people are going to say about her (and, more importantly, her family) when they find out.

* So, is the show really suggesting that outing people is okay? Because Finn certainly wasn't doing any apologizing, and the show seemed to suggest it was for her own good.

**** I agree, Sue's act has just gotten more grating and tired this season. Season 1 she was entertaining and laugh out loud hilarious, and her moments with her sister added some depth to her...but now that her sister is gone, it seems like Sue is all Strawman 24/7, with literally no other purpose than wanting to cut arts programs ([[For the Evulz]], of course) and to throw out increasingly desperate attempts at over-the-top one-liners. I think another reason why Sue's act has gotten tired is because she's kind of lost the shock value that her humor had in the first season. Even the ''funniest'' jokes can get boring if you keep rehashing it over and over and over again (which sadly, is basically what Glee's writers have been doing with Sue). Bottom line, Sue's character is getting old, and hasn't been entertaining for a while now, at least IMHO.

* This has been bothering me all season, but why are they running for senior class president during their senior year? Seems like there's not a whole lot of time to preside if it's taken this long to get results. Shouldn't they have voted on this stuff at the end of the previous year instead of now?

* It's been a while since I took a math class, but I'm pretty sure the quadratic equation is used in advanced geometry and algebra. Why would Puck need it for his bookkeeping?

** I'm fairly certain that was him brushing off the question. When he says "It's for my pool-cleaning business" he means "I'm trying to straighten out my life so that I can spend more time with my daughter."

** From things I've seen floating around the internet, it seems that the New Directions are going to recruit a few random band members to get their twelve, plus Sam will be coming back. As for the Troubletones, it seems that the three unnamed members are probably Cheerios, so I'm guessing between those three, Santana and Brittany they'll be able to find five more Cheerios to give themselves a full glee club.

* Doesn't Josh the sleazy lacrosse player's actions sort of ''disprove'' the whole "everyone already knew" meme that keeps getting batted around the show?

* Finn's blackmail is stupid. If Santana refuses, is he going to go say, 'I lied; please, suspend her?' In that case he either gets in trouble for lying, he creates enough doubt of what really happened that they probably couldn't suspend her even if they wanted to, or they believe she did something worse than the slap to get him to lie, which would get her worse than the 2 weeks, something he presumably doesn't want. I suppose this sort of karma since she was able to blackmail a boy with threatening to tell he briefly looked at a boy who was getting a drink from a water fountain, but really, does anyone besides Will know how to do blackmail properly? Does anyone have the ability to recognise when a person's blackmail attempt is unbelievably weak?

** It's made all the more stupid by the fact that Santana has already admitted to slapping him and is just trying to deny culpability with the whole "Snix" thing. Really all Santana had to do was walk back into the office and tell them that he just tried blackmail her. Blackmail, legally known as extortion, is a felony and since it was committed on school grounds, Finn would be subject to expulsion. Figgins the weak willed worm would crap himself and just drop the whole matter to keep from having to expel the school's star quarterback.

 

* The election scene is a major problem. Supposedly the school election and Ohio election are on the same day. First, schools are closed on election day. Second, an in session school would never be the location of an election since that would mean child molesters and others unallowed around minors aren't allowed to vote. Third, that thats not how you vote at a school election, my school gave you the ballot which they collected five minutes later. My fourth, final, and most unforgivable problem is thus: Election Day is by definition always on a Tuesday in America. ''Your telling me that this entire episode took place over at most three days?!!'' No, no bullshit no. I say thee nay.

** Also, schools ''are'' often used as polling places for official elections. It's generally in the gym and students are sent elsewhere during that time.

** Convicted child molesters are felons and can't vote anyway, regardless of the polling places location.

** She'll probably be showing up in the next few episodes or so. She really wasn't needed for this episode.

** [http://twitter.com/#!/littlelengies/status/146732091839750144 Obviously she returned to the future to spend the holidays with her moms.]

* Am I the only one who thought Artie's movie was much longer than it really should have been. I'd have thought that one of the characters (preferably Kurt given how stereotypical his role seemed) would have gotten fed up and broke character sooner.

** He was playing a [[Retraux]] flirty-but-sexless "[[Oh, Hi There.|Hi]], this is my [[Heterosexual Life Partner]], welcome to our amazing home!" amalgam of different variety special hosts (and narrators). Practically everything he ''did'' was [[Getting Crap Past the Radar|subversively breaking character]], including the diamond necklace subplot. Artie's movie was supposed to fill an entire evening of airtime (the Yule Log video is two to four hours long, I expect a typical Christmas Eve live special to run for at least one hour, if not two), and the part of the show that we saw was only about ten or fifteen minutes long, and Kurt made a comment that the oven wasn't even started yet (in-story) but they had a turkey by the end of it, so there was probably either some [[Deus Ex Machina]] or [[Willing Suspension of Disbelief|enough time to make people think they cooked a turkey]]. Also, Rory ''did'' [[A Charlie Brown Christmas|go majorly off-script]].

** Uh, Will wants kids. See his whole storyline in the first thirteen episodes. Emma knows that going in because she was the one he always talked to about how much he was looking forward to having it. Also, they've presumably had that discussion since they started living together.

* Why did Will go to Emma's parents and ask them about marrying Emma? Even using the basis of 'it's tradition,' didn't 'Asian F' establish that their relationship with Emma is at best strained in the first place, so having their blessing likely wasn't either forthcoming or important for Emma?

* So, Finn, one of Will's students, is going to be his best man... Does this man have no actual friends?

** He has Bieste, Emma, and occasionally Sue. He's marrying Emma, so she can't be his best man, Bieste probably wouldn't appreciate being the best "man" at his wedding, and Sue may or may not be his friend at the time.

== Michael ==

* While Santana and Sebastian's duet was possibly the best performance in the episode, the reasoning behind it made no sense without some serious [[Artistic License: Law]]. Sebastian slushied Blaine, and that slushy happened to pierce his eye, making him need surgery. In the real world, Sebastian would be held liable no matter ''what'' was in that cup, since he was the one who threw it in Blaine's face.

*** I think the police would be very much interested in pressing charges against an assault where the victim required surgery.

**** Depends on the police. Some are great about that kind of thing, some less so.

 

== The Spanish Teacher ==

** I just assumed Sue was one of the gym teachers when she's not coaching the Cheerios.

* In what way is Will a great Glee Coach? The team is constantly ill-prepared for competition. He constantly uses the Glee Club to work out his own personal issues. He plays favorites and doesn't even try to hide it. Here it is two weeks out from Regionals and they aren't even trying to get prepared.

*** Judging from the dejected look she gave after Brittany tried and failed to get her to dance, I'm going to say that she stayed away from the heavily dance-focused week because it was too hard for her.

* Why is Will going after Finn, Mercedes and Santana so hard in this episode. I understand that he's concerned for his students but at one point he's pratically shoving job choices down their throats.

** There's also the fact that Akron is a [[Dying Town|Rust Belt city]], meaning most families with money live in the suburbs, so it's ''extremely'' unlikely that an inner-city public school would have the exorbitant budget Vocal Adrenaline has. A seemingly-minor nitpick, but it just goes to show that the writers don't actually know Ohio and are just picking names off a map.

* I never get annoyed at this, but the fact that they have a heavily choregraphed (at the end) performance of Night Fever out of nowhere confuses me. Usually when they just all break into song the dances are more free form that anything, and even at times they're just kinda doing their own thing. Also, if they hate disco how did they all manage to figure out not only the words but the notes to the final chorus of Night Fever?

* Am I missing previous signs, or did the domestic violence come COMPLETELY out of nowhere? It's not like I follow the show for the quality writing or anything, but is domestic violence really the only way the writers could come up with to make Beiste's character relevant again?

** Au contraire, mon ami. They wanted to do something with domestic violence (remember that Glee lately is a preachfest), and Beiste's character was the best uhm... candidate they could find for the role of abused woman.

* Sigh. I've defended this show numerous times on the accusation of student/teacher inappropriateness. I went to a school where teachers did give out cell/home phone numbers and email addresses. Hugging was common between everyone. Some kids did form bonds with teachers akin to the one between Finn and Will. But a teacher apologising to students for not telling them that she's a victim of domestic abuse? That is utterly indefensible. Just, why? Who in the writing room thought, 'hey, let's not only have this character, a victim of DV, not only be subjected to fat jokes but let's also have her bizarrely and in a somewhat victim-blaming way apologise to these students for not sharing a painful part of personal life'. She didn't put them in any danger; none of them were routinely coming over to her house. Hell, she wasn't even guilty of being snappy towards them, unless quietly leaving during their performance counts. It was Sue and Roz who were rightfully so firm with them.

** The apology wasn't because she didn't tell them, it's because she lied about it, which was setting a bad example for the kids.