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** Kurt. A [[Woobie]] who [[I Just Want to Be Loved|just wants to be loved]], or a selfish, [[Manipulative Bastard]] and [[Karma Houdini]]? You decide!

** Blaine. You either want him to get his own spin off show so you could see him more frequently or you want him to get one so he stops showing up in Glee.

** Speaking of the Brittana romance, that leads us to Santana: A [[Jerkass]] who is too immature to properly deal with her emotional issues and instead lashes out at bystanders, or an outstanding example of [[Character Development]] who has become one of the most sympathetic characters on the show? Or both?

** Quinn: A heinous bitch who brought all her pain upon herself or an intelligent but insecure girl who lost everything she had?

** Kurt is frequently cited as the show's "breakout star," as is Sue Sylvester.

** Brittany, who wasn't in the pilot, didn't speak until episode 4, gets a handful of lines in every episode and still manages to be one of the most popular characters on the show with her charming minimalistic humor. The TIME TV critic James Poniewozik posts his favorite "Brittany-ism" after every show on his blog. Brittany. She's one of the two best dancers, and a pretty good singer to boot.

** Blaine, who's won a lot of fans over with his good looks and excellent voice.

** Mike Chang is also extremely popular, even before he started getting lines. Having nice abs doesn't hurt one's popularity.

* [[Fan Dumb]]: While it may seem like a theater/band geek/ misfit paradise, the forum shows us that a vast majority of fans take the show more seriously than most school work, or in some cases, actual work. Flame wars get started over comments about a character's clothing, a throwaway comment that was played for laughs, song choice, and even seating positions. Numerous thread topics revolve around arguing about [[Darren Criss]] being a good actor or not, more topics have become pissing contests on who knows more about Broadway, and there is even a thread claiming The Beatles "aren't that good" and Glee made their songs better. It's not a wonder that the fans are often more hated than the show itself.

** Kurt's fan base may or may not be the biggest, but it's certainly the most...let's just say "dedicated" and leave it at that.

** Some of the [[Darren Criss|Blaine fangirls]] seem to be of the opinion that Blaine can do absolutely no wrong and that Kurt is unworthy of [[Marty Stu|Blaine]].

*** Conversely, [[Fan Nickname|Kurtsies]] think that ''Blaine'' doesn't deserve ''Kurt'' because the former is a contradictory jackass who's ruining [[The Woobie|Kurt's]] life.

** If their complaints after Rachel-light episodes are anything to go by, some of the Rachel-fans seem to be of the opinion that Glee should be ''the Rachel Berry show''

** Then there's the insistence that Sam is gay or bi, using the most nitpicking details as "proof" when nothing on the show has directly or indirectly hinted that he's anything but straight.

** Then there are the Theocrats among the Fan Dumb, who cling to EVERYTHING Ryan Murphy and Brad Falchuk say or imply in interviews, rather than just watching the show.

** Following the incident where a fan actually pulled [[Darren Criss]] from the stage a Kurtsie said: "I used to think Chris/Kurt fans are the craziest in the fandom, then came the Brittana shippers, and then the Faberry shippers, and now Darren stans."

** Basically, the Glee Fandom is a great big pool of [[Fan Dumb]].

* [[Fan Community Nickname]]: Gleeks for the entire community.

** People who don't like [[Mary Sue|Blaine]] call him 'Bland' or 'Plain Blanderson'. And Klaine is renamed 'Kland'.

** Blaine is 'Hobbit' in many fanfic, especially the Kurtofsky ones.

* [[Foe Yay]]:

** Bryan Ryan (Neil Patrick Harris) and Sue, who have angry sex even after Bryan cuts the Cheerios budget in half. [[Hilarious in Hindsight]] when you realize that Neil Patrick Harris is gay and that Jane Lynch is a lesbian.

** Kurt says that being called "lady" is bullying. That makes [http://www.inquisitr.com/93238/screencap-et-insultingly-mislabels-chris-colfer-of-glee/ this screengrab] from Entertainment Tonight especially cringe-worthy.

** Sam's performance of "Billionaire" in his debut seemed to be a random song to show off his voice with, but it becomes a lot more painful after seeing the events of "Rumors".

** [[Darren Criss|We love you]] [[A Very Potter Musical|Harry Potter!]]

** [[Neil Patrick Harris|Barney]] [[How I Met Your Mother|Stinson]], that guy's awesome!

** Sue cracking wise about Burt's near death from heart attack. Even for her that was a low blow.

*** Sue cracking weight jokes to a distraught Beiste in 'Choke' comes off as a [[Kick the Dog]] moment in a supposed [[Pet the Dog]] moment.

* [[Launcher of a Thousand Ships]]: Puck, Rachel, Kurt. Finn and Santana as well.

** Jesse too, to the point where there are decent-sized fanbases shipping him with characters he has never actually met (ie Blaine and Harmony).

** Sue and Mr. Schue in Episode 21. That almost kiss? Hilarious.

** In the promos to Season 2, we saw Finn telling Quinn "I would be lying if I said I didn't have feelings for you" with a sad-looking Rachel watching from the sidelines. In "Britney/Brittany," we found out what was really going on: {{spoiler|First of all, the comment is more along the lines of "I still really like you, but I like Rachel more," as Finn's way of refusing Quinn's request to get back together. Then, we find Quinn asking Finn out was all a set-up anyway - Rachel had asked Quinn to do it to test if Finn really loved her.}}

* [[Sickeningly Sweethearts]]: {{spoiler|Kurt and Blaine}} showed shades of this in "The Substitute," particularly from the point of view from anyone not on that side of the ship war.

{{quote| "Gay, gay, gay, gay..."}}

***** Actually {{spoiler|rock salt has the effect of making ice 'colder', and thus melt slower. What Sebastian actually intended was for Kurt to get an extra-extra-cold slushie to the face,}} and thus the whole {{spoiler|prank gone wrong}} confession later on. Kudos to his understanding of chemistry though.

** Blaine's actions in season 3, committing bad acts yet never thinking of apologizing or letting others take the blame has shades of this.

* [[Straw Man Has a Point]]: Even if Sue's techniques are not the most correct, she is almost always proven right.

** The point gets lost in his over-the-top maliciousness, but Bryan Ryan's argument that the Glee Club kids shouldn't plan their lives around succeeding in show business isn't an unreasonable one - but there's a big difference between saying that they should have a back-up plan and his belief that they should abandon ''all'' hope of success in the arts before getting any idea of what their chances really are.

* [[They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot]]: "Audition" seems to set up an intense rivalry between Quinn and Santana over the position of Head Cheerleader, including the famous catfight in the hallway, which seems like it will be a big deal that season (confirmed by the creators' comments). Nothing comes of it. Quinn offhandedly mentions she needs to keep Santana off her back in "Duets", but nothing to this effect has ever been seen on screen, and, so far, nothing else has come of what initially appeared to be a pretty significant plot development.

** The Dalton Arc could have been a legitimately interesting side-plot by showing how Blaine's conflict over "running away" drives him to overcompensate in misguided attempts to help Kurt. Instead, Blaine barely got ''any'' characterization because 1) the writers kept [[Pandering to The Base]] of rabid [[Yaoi Fangirl|Yaoi Fangirls]], and 2) at least ''half'' of the Dalton scenes were songs. [[Arson, Murder, and Jaywalking|And not even relevant ones.]]

** "Big Brother" definitely has this problem. They had a plot perfectly set up in {{spoiler|Quinn's car crash aftermath}} which ended up being almost completely sidelined in favor of bringing in drama with Blaine and his brother.

** ''The Sue Sylvester Bowl Shuffle'' sets up Dave's redemption and his eventual joining New Directions. That got lost in RM's infatuation with his [[Marty Stu]], Blaine...