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* [[Alas, Poor Villain]]: {{spoiler|Agatio and Karst.}} To elaborate, {{spoiler|after they unknowingly killed by the player party in dragon form, both fully set aside their anger and beg Felix to light the Lighthouse for them. For Agatio, the whole situation's pretty darn depressing even though he ''is'' [[The Generic Guy]], and Karst gets it even ''worse'' - her death involves Felix comforting her, warming her with the heat of his hands before finally heading off.}} Following all that, {{spoiler|both of them vow to stay alive until they see the last lighthouse lit - [[Tear Jerker|it's unclear if they did, since it would have arguably revived them the way it did Isaac's dad and Felix and Jenna's parents]].}} Ouch.
* [[Alternate Character Interpretation]]: Babi as an [[Evil Overlord]], for one. It would seem that Tolbi is budding into [[The Empire]], and much of his backstory is a little less than sympathetic. Nevertheless, the party seems to take all of his requests without questioning anything.
** It's also debatable where exactly on the grand scale between good and evil the Proxians stand, with being [[Anti-Villain|Anti Villains]] and all.
** [[Draco in Leather Pants|Alex isn't evil, he's just misunderstood!!]]
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{{quote|[[Kleptomaniac Hero|Isaac peeked into the wardrobe]]... [[Kleptomaniac Hero, Found Underwear|There's a silk negligee.]]<br />
[[Double Subversion|Isaac! Put that back!]] }}
*** And speaking of wardrobes, we had this in TLA:
{{quote|Felix peeked into the wardrobe... What in-!!! What's with all the wardrobes? Where are all the baths?}}
** Say it with me, kids!
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{{quote|I know it's a rock, stupid! (implying that was what Isaac thought)}}
* [[Crowning Music of Awesome]]: [[Motoi Sakuraba]] [[Golden Sun/Awesome Music|outdid himself here.]]
** Not to mention, one of the reasons this game still stands out a bit (other than its timing) was that it actually sounded ''way'' different than most Game Boy Advance music, and the Game Boy Advance didn't have very good sound-capabilities at all.
* [[Demonic Spiders]]: The game, thankfully, doesn't have too many of these...until you get to {{spoiler|[[Bonus Dungeon|Anemos Inner Sanctum.]]}} Practically everything in there is some form of this, the worst being the Sky Dragons.
** Also, the Stone Soldiers are pretty nasty, especially when you find out about their [[Action Bomb]] capacities.
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** Actually, many fans like ''Karst'' quite a bit, not least because she has well-rounded motives, or her [[Ship Tease]] with {{spoiler|Felix}}. She arguably inverts this trope to become more popular than her sister, Menardi, in a number of circles. Due to the games' renowned weaknesses regarding characterization, Agatio... isn't quite so lucky. While it's not particularly malicious, he's largely uncared for by the fandom due to not being seen as a worthy subtitute for Saturos, and is easily the least-popular antagonist from the original games (and the least popular major character to boot)... Poor, unloved Agatio.
** Never mind that he ''does'' have his own distinct character traits, [[Fan Dumb|should not be compared to a separate individual he was allies with anyway]], and is really pretty awesome for informing ''[[Magnificent Bastard|Alex]]'' that [[Crowning Moment of Awesome|he knew he was being used but didn't give a damn]], proving he's not as stupid as he looks and he has unique psynergy moves.
* [[Seinfeld Is Unfunny]]: Yeah, they look generic now, but consider that when they were originally made, the Game Boy Advance platform was literally months old. For a handheld game, it actually ''was'' rather impressive for its time. Not to mention, until next-gen platforms game out, it probably still was the best use of the game boy advance's limited sound hardware.
* [[Shipping]]: Enough of a developed shipping fandom that pretty much every possible pairing among main characters is covered with its own [[Idiosyncratic Ship Naming|"____shipping" name]], and with copious amounts of [[Crack Pairing|Crack Pairings]] too. The [[Ship-to-Ship Combat]] can be truly awe-inspiring, especially between Mudshippers (Isaac/Mia) and Valeshippers (Isaac/Jenna). In fact, the shipping fandom is so ridiculously developed that in some circles, even [[Original Character]] ships are named.
** Just as an example of how ''fast'' GS shipping fandom moves, the Matthew/Karis couple was named "Dawnshipping" within an hour of ''Dark Dawn'' being announced.
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** Saturos from the first game (when you face him for the first time) can be quite a menace to players that are unprepared, mainly due to the fact that he has spells that are more powerful than what the players are used to at the point. His second (and final) battle with him is arguably much worse though, as he brought Menardi to assist him.
** [[Badass Normal|Briggs]] counts as an early game example, as, due to Osenia's layout, he can be fought before encountering a number of dungeons and collecting their Djinni, summons, and items. Needless to say, he's going to smack you upside the head if you're not ready.
** [[That One Attack]]: Dullahan and Doom Dragon both deserve a special mention for the ability Djinn Storm, which sets all Djinn in the current party into recovery mode (removing the stat bonuses of having them equipped to a character and preventing them from being used for summons). Doom Dragon also has a very infamous attack called Cruel Ruin which hits the entire party, has a base damage of 200, and becomes more powerful depending on how much HP the party has meaning that it does MORE damage to a higher leveled party.
*** What separates this from Dullahan is that there is no factor that randomly KILLS you. What made Dullahan so hard was that in combination with Djinn Storm, it has Charon that can instant kill you in tandem with just doing damage which means that it doesn't matter if you are fully healed, you are still taking a dead member 50% of the time and maybe even two or three. Then he finishes you off with <s> [[Blind Idiot Translation|Formina Sage]]</s> Fulminous Edge. Cruel Ruin itself is not as dangerous mainly because a sufficiently strong party can stand in the face of it and still come out standing, even with no Djinn set. A level 50 party can completely raze the Doom Dragon without suffering a single death while Dullahan can KO the entire party before you even reach half HP with the same level.
*** On the other hand, Dullahan can be summon-rushed. Doom Dragon is specifically geared to nerf summon-rush strategies by having separate damage calculations for each of its forms. It really depends on your play style.
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** You're going to respect Master Maha after that one. How the hell did he ever finish that thing alone?
** To elaborate: The exterior mountain climb of Air's Rock is about as long as any given dungeon up to that point in the second game. Then, the interior exploration of Air's Rock is, in itself, [[Marathon Level|noticeably longer than any other dungeon in either game]], barring the Lighthouses and the other elemental rocks. It also relies extensively on a (relatively expensive, compared to other utility spells) Psynergy that requires [[Fragile Speedster|one of the characters]] to be in her default class, which means repeatedly shutting down and turning on her Djinn for any player who places her in a more balanced class. This dungeon is early enough in the game that the player only has the first three characters, although it is possible to wait until you have the fourth party member to attempt it.
*** If you want that fourth party member, however, you'll instead have to fight the [["Wake -Up Call" Boss]] massively underleveled, since he was intended to be fought after Air's Rock.
* [[Visual Effects of Awesome]]: The Catastrophe Summon; widely regarded as the most visually impressive animation sequence ever produced for a GBA game. View it in all its glory [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaaqdplbVOo&feature=related Here.]
 
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