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* ...''all'' the Felt. <ref> Lord English has been represented by a graphic of all fifteen pool balls cycling rapidly. Either the Felt are pieces of Lord English broken up into separate individuals, or Doc Scratch has been picking people to give fractions of his Master's power (as he did Snowman) so he can combine them later, or else all of them collectively are somehow one person is a weird metaphysical way.</ref>
* ...not a good guy ''or'' a bad guy. He simply eats dead universes, not unlike how humans eat steak or chicken: it's just sustenance.
* [[Problem Sleuth|Pickle Inspector]]. Because PI is tall and thin, and we don't know the scale for {{color|Lime|
* A [[Monster Clown]] [[Ninja Pirate Zombie Robot|Angel of Death]] Because a Joker is more powerful than an Ace, and the Alternian concept of angels is that they are just a form of demon that brings about the end.
* The Frog / Bilious Slick <ref> '''1)''' The Frog temple works as a "map" for the Incipisphere, the frog is placed right in the middle, the same place where the "demon" is suppose to appear. '''2)''' The Black Queen, hates frogs to a point that she greatly reduces her powers for it, while this is remarked as sign of vanity, why would she hate frog in the first place? It is because is the face of her (and everyone) worst enemy! '''3)''' Frogs are associated with Green, just like Lord English and The Felt. '''4)''' The Felt are green and many have frog-like eyes '''5)''' Andrew just loves to pull this kind of shit. '''6)''' Karkat seemed to recognize it, but din't wanted to comment about it, probably because he wanted to protect Aradia '''7)''' As a demon who eats dead universes, he has an incentive to see that more universes are made, not unlike how a man who eats steak has an incentive to see that more cows are born.</ref>
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** Jossed. He was an Authority Regulator, which basically amounts to a policeman. Hence his clothing made of caution tape.
== John is a [[Tomato in
The real John would have been able to lift the safe as Nanna predicted. The original is still around somehow, possibly a ghost, and is the one that drew the graffiti all over the posters. False memories caused the tomato to believe that Dad was a wacky street performer. The Magic 8-ball couldn't answer yes or no to "Is it John's birthday today?" because John has ''two'' birthdays.
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== The name of Jade's planet... ==
...is the Land of Forge and Expanse. We know that the Forge has to be there, so it might as well go in the name. And a wide expanse is like open SPACE, geddit?
* That, or in a cruel twist of fate, it's the land of Blood and Earth, with no mention of spatiality. Also, [[
== Jaspers is [[Luke, I Am Your Father|Rose's father]]. ==
She is the daughter of the [[Mad Scientist|Mad Scientists]] who created the appearifier, among other weird machines we've yet to see. In one unfortunate test run, Mr. Lalonde was [[Baleful Polymorph|accidentally transformed into a cat]] and they were unable to reverse the change. If Jaspers used to be a person, that explains why he is an apparently talking cat who wears tuxedos.
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After all, where do we get a definite time for its arrival? The meteor colour-code chart that shows Time to landing = colour shows blue as the top end of the scale. That is what the biggest meteor's colour was. For all we know, it was going to take so long to reach Earth that the predicted time went off the charts.
* If this is true, this means the Exiles may have small problem on their hands.
* Jossed in ''[https://web.archive.org/web/20130922065512/http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004827 [S] Jade: Enter]'': Bec destroys the meteor with his First Guardian powers.
== Jade's narcolepsy is actually her real and dream selves fighting over control of her ==
We saw in a recent update that when Dream Rose got Dream Dave's attention by tossing a ball of yarn at him, real-world Dave fell asleep instantly. This confirms that the kids' dream selves are awake when their real selves are asleep, and vice-versa. We also know that Jade's dream self has been active for some time... the dots are easy to connect.
* [
== Jade's Kernelsprite will not be prototyped until AFTER she enters the Medium ==
Every time a prototyped Kernelsprite enters the medium, their properties gives both kingdoms more power. This both strengthens denziens and generally makes things more complicated for the players. prototyping Jade's sprite will be seen as holding on to the [[Idiot Ball]], and thus undesireable.
* Jossed in ''[https://web.archive.org/web/20130922065512/http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004827 [S] Jade: Enter]'': Bec prototypes himself with Jade's kernel. As to whether or not Bec was holding the [[Idiot Ball]]... well, he is a First Guardian, but he's also a dog.
== The contents of Jade's present to John is... ==
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Vriska's a one-trick pony. She couldn't mind-control Aradia, so she attacked Aradia with someone who was controllable. She can't mind-control Terezi, so it's reasonable to assume she would use the same method. It's even possible that Karkat's invitation for Terezi to come live in his lawnring was foreshadowing that Karkat lives close enough to her to walk to her tree and stab her eyes out.
* Alternatively, Vriska ''attempts'' to use the same trick twice. It fails when Karkat arrives at Terezi's hive and [[Curb Stomp Battle|has the everloving crap beaten out of him]]. Terezi has just mentioned that she's capable of this, after all.
* Jossed in ''[https://web.archive.org/web/20130921154619/http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004478 [S] Make her pay]'': Vriska blinded Terezi indirectly via mind-controlling Tarvos.
== Someone must die in order for a Dream Self to awaken. ==
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The way he talks could mean to imply that he's on some equal level to them. Add to that the omniscience speech...
* And the demon's server is [http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003992 seen floating among the Gods of the Outer Ring], though we don't know the ontological relation between the demon and the server. (It's quite like the server that holds Rose's walkthrough, for whatever that's worth.)
* Jossed. He's Alternia's [https://web.archive.org/web/20130927195221/http://mspaintadventures.wikia.com/wiki/
== Jade's Meteor gets sent back in time to become primordial Earth ==
Going by [http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004778 this page,] the meteor is about half the size of the moon. There is no way it can hit Jade's island and leave the general area intact, which we clearly see is the case in the future with the exiles (and no, you can't say the Frog Temple is somehow able to withstand it because we've clearly seen it take damage [http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003012 from much] [http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003018 smaller things]). Between this and the ever-present [[Stable Time Loop|Weird]] [[Temporal Paradox|Time]] [[Timey
* Jossed in ''[https://web.archive.org/web/20130922065512/http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004827 [S] Jade: Enter]'': Bec destroys the meteor with his First Guardian powers.
== The Trolls aren't all connected, and they aren't all going to be helpful ==
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== Jade's kernelsprite will be prototyped with her stuffed grandpa and the bunny. ==
We didn't see if the bunny survived thirteen years with Jade like it survived thirteen years with Rose, but it's not stated it didn't either. [
== Jade will somehow prototype her sprite with something involving a dragon and something really muscular. ==
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== Jade won't prototype her Kernelsprite, which will fuck up everything. ==
Jack will be prototyped with a Kernel, allowing him, in turn, to be prototyped with something... and he'll prototype with the Green Sun, making him into Lord English and causing the Scratch.
* Jossed in ''[https://web.archive.org/web/20130922065512/http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004827 [S] Jade: Enter]'': Bec prototypes himself with Jade's kernel. (Of course, this still screws things up by giving Jack the power of the Green Sun)
== Tavros kissed the girl. ==
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== Rose destroyed Aradiabot. ==
If she could do what she just did to Eridan's computer, there's no telling what could happen to other machinery with those Thorns Of Oglogoth of hers.
* Jossed in ''[https://web.archive.org/web/20130921193614/http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005197 [S] Wake]'': Jack Noir killed dream-Aradia while she was on her quest Bed, causing her soulbot to explode when her soul joined with her now-alive God Tier body.
== The Feferi Jade talked to in her second dream was actually Dream Feferi ==
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== Doc Scratch is a MEOW-code clone of Eridan. ==
Eridan is the perfect sort of target for the MEOW code, where Halley was the most imperfect possible target: Intelligent, logical, bitter, and arrogant. We have seen no adult trolls, nor humanoid Luses. Presumably, at some point Nepeta's Lusus whispered the MEOW code and unlocked it, just as Jaspers did for Rose. Doc Scratch is then cloned from something related to one of the existing characters, but in the troll session, there really isn't anyone available aside from the players themselves. Doc Scratch's rivalry with Vriska, which borders on Kismesis, and his continued interest in her even after he has repeatedly renounced her behavior only supports this idea, as it parallels Eridan's one-sided kismesis with Vriska as the intensity of her black romance with Tavros shifts (shortly before it goes completely haywire).
* Jossed. {{color|#2ED73A|D}}{{color|white|o}}{{color|#2ED73A|c Scratch}} is cloned from the code, a Magic Cue Ball, and Lil' Cal.
== Altenatively, Doc Scratch is a MEOW-code clone of the Ophiuchus troll. ==
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*** ______, for whoever isn't getting the Felt.
**** This could extremely easily tie further into the four types of Grist: John and the pitch-black Midnight Crew work with Oil, Jade and the glowing-green Felt will work with Uranium, Rose and (god forbid) ever-so-pale Team Sleuth will work with Chalk, and Dave and... someone work with amber.
** Four main trolls, one for each kid. There are 12 trolls, but so far only four (cG, gC, gA, aT) have chatted and appeared in person in the comic.
*** It's possible the four trolls revealed thus far are foils to the main characters (cG = John, gC = Jade, gA = Rose, aT = Dave).
** Four pets: VODKA MUTINI/DOCTOR MEOWGON, CASEY/VICEROY BUBBLES VON SALAMANCER, LI'L CAL, and... possibly GRANDPA HARLEY?
* Jossed, Andrew's confirmed that Act 6 will not have nearly as many characters and Acts 4 and 5's boom in characters was always meant to wind down.
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As mentioned before, there's a theory that players become the monarchs of the two factions once they reach Skaia. Therefore, the monarchs of the two kingdoms are former players that were divided once they reached Skaia. Two wanted to destroy it for all the trouble it caused and the other two wanted to protect it despite this. The Dark ones were banished back to Derse. So that means that the Carapaces are a race that played Sburb before the humans.
Now stick with me, it gets a little crazy here.
The kids reach Skaia and do the same thing<ref>Probably would be John and Jade to Prospit and Dave and Rose to Derse, based on the fact that Jade's Dream self is already there and we've yet to Dave's or Rose's dream self</ref>. The Carapaces are then allowed to rebuild on Earth. Meanwhile, the Trolls are the next players of Sburb. Knowing that the Trolls are able to screw around with time, the Dark and Light Kingdoms both ask the Trolls to influence their past selves in an attempt to break the cycle. They are ultimately successful, although the Trolls' planet is still destroyed. The Kids use Skaia to create a new planet for them.
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== The Black King is trapped within Skaia. ==
Derse wants to destroy Skaia to at last release their GLORIOUS MONARCH and fix the kingdom that has been laid to waste under the rule of the Black Queen. However, enraptured with the infinite creative potential of Skaia, the king began creating [[Homestuck
What I'm getting at is that Andrew Hussie is the Black King.
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* Um... while the paradox clone recombination mechanism is under no obligation to mimic human reproduction, and the protagonists could as easily be Saiyan as human, what that picture says about chromosome separation during meiosis is... flat-out-wrong. During meiosis, homologous chromosomes not only distribute randomly, but also random swap corresponding segments. As a result, instead of... two... possible gametes, it's somewhere upwards of 2^23, with some variation between males and females due to the Y chromosome's fascinating but irrelevant-to-this-discussion methods of mutation suppression. In any case, the most obvious method of operation would result in a situation similar to the above, but since that apparently wasn't what happened, I guess it didn't happen like that.
** Crossing-over is shown in the diagram at the beginning, if that's what you mean. That's the only part where meiosis is relevant? The theory is basically "meiosis did not happen, thus the kids are not related." If it's the third paragraph, that's justification why existing gametes wouldn't be used--recombination happened, leaving room for chromosomal errors and generally unfavourable combinations of genes, and also the division of cells leaves the possibility of nondisjunction. Making them artificially (i.e. having to read the code, recognize individual genes, then swap alleles between homologous chromosomes in a machine) is a waste of time and sounds like it has a much higher failure rate than regular meiosis. Ideally you want the smallest error margin possible, so the ectobiology machine would logically bypass it all together. Of course, it didn't, which is why the theory is [[Jossed]], and the WMG was unlikely from the start because Mutie and all the other messed up clones exist. It would just be cool if the machine did work that way.
*** In both trials, the single y chromosome is used in exactly one child. It's not conclusive, of course, but there's only a 25% chance of that happening assuming independent recombination.
* As mentioned above this is outright jossed. They are related, end of story.
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== A character's inventory system is more or less tied to the technological level of their society ==
The more-or-less prohibition-era shenanigans of Problem Sleuth and the Midnight Crew have a classic adventure game inventory, with easy access to items but finite storage space. The kids (And apparently everyone else from their time) have capchatalog cards, which are less convenient but more versatile. The exiles, who have no real civilization, are reduced to "pick it up and carry it."
* Adding to this, the kids, who were born post-computerization, all have sylladexes, while Dad has to resort to [http://www.formspring.me/andrewhussie/q/589049851 carrying around captchalouge cards with him]{{Dead link}}.
* Probably jossed, the Trolls use esoteric moduses that range from kinda high tech to very lowtech.
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** Jossed.
== The troll's blood is a magical effect, and Karkat is an [[Anti
If you took Karkat's candy-red (which would be the default mundane color) blood and carried it, say, 15-30 feet away from him, it'd turn an olive color, as per his placement. Conversley, If you placed any other troll's blood (even Equius') near Karkat, It would become candy-red until taken away.
* [http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005284 Jossed.]
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Red: huge idiot bluh bluh Karkat, plushie-executing nutjob Terezi, lovable losers Gamzee, Tavros and aC, and gA, who seems pleasant enough, [[Chainsaw Good]] notwithstanding.
Blue: Sollux (nice guy who wants nothing to do with this madness), incredible douchebag aG, creepy misanthrobopist cT, the enigmatic cC and cA, and... [[Nightmare Fuel
The only two who don't match up to this scheme are Sollux and Terezi. And the two teams do seem to be working together in the future, judging from the troll logs and what cT did for Tavros, so this may be entirely off-mark. I guess we'll be seeing pretty soon.
* There's a certain amount of speculation that aG is, quite literally, Tavros' [[The Rival|rival]] in the <s>Pokemon</s> Fiduspawn sense of the word. Following this through, cA could be Gamzee's rival (in terms of the whole LAND DWELLERS/SEA DWELLERS/accidentally ejected Faygo bottles thing) and Sollux could be Karkat's (in terms of programming). Fitting the others in is trickier, but hey.
** Then there's the other theory, spawned by the Red frog temple missing its Derse and the Blue one missing its Prospit, that the Red team are the Prospit trolls and the Blue team are the Derse trolls. Seems a little odd to make Karkat a Prospitian, but hey, if Terezi can be one...
** Whoa holy shit. Even if the Blue Team isn't antagonistic, it definitely has at least one [[Complete Monster]] in its ranks (aG, ''holy shit'' aG). Adding to that, there's also cT's obsession with [[A Nazi
* Jossed: Vriska is on the Red Team anyways.
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As of this writing, I am currently at the beginning of act 5; namely the page that I am about to describe. When cG steps outside and we see the exterior of his house for the first time, it is eerily reminiscent of the bizarre constructs the kids' houses have become after a bit of Sburb-facilitated shenanigans. But what piques my interest more is this paragraph on that very page:
{{quote|
It seems like the Trolls’ culture, or possibly Alternia’s as a whole, is designed to prepare the Trolls for a session of Sburb, which would only be feasible if the Trolls or their predecessors had previous experience with the game.
* Well, the kids can't have preceded them chronologically, since the events of Act 5 take place long before Earth even existed. However, they ''could'' have shaped their culture around Rose's [[
** I'm pretty sure that with all the stuff the series pulls with time travel, temporal placement means next to nothing.
* Jossed.
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== The person AG was talking to was Serpentarius. ==
It exists out of the original 12 zodiac signs and the person AG was talking to doesn't have a trolltag. Because Serpentarius exists out of the original 12 zodiac animals and thus outside whatever "rules" they have, he doesn't need a trolltag to talk to people. This also solves the nucleotide combination problem since there weren't any possible combinations left. Furthermore is the relationship between AG and the unknown guy. It is clear that she does not particularly like him. Also, the constellation of Scorpio appears to be below Serpentarius' feet, giving more credit into the theory that the guy in white is Serpentarius as, according to the guy in white, AG was used and manipulated by him as a Lord does to his or her pawn.
* Jossed. Doc Scratch is ''far'' weirder than this.
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*** Her's is a ''Virgin'' Mother grub.
* It would certainly explain why bisexuality is the norm--troll gender has nothing to do with reproductive equipment, and being straight, gay, or lesbian is the equivalent of only preferring, say, blonde hair.
* Jossed: Trolls do have a biological gender that's innate.
== Where we talk about Matchsticks and Quarters' time powers. ==
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** Spades refers to offing Crowbar, Matchsticks and Quarters as "depleting them of some of their muscle," which might mean that Matchsticks and Quarters have some bruiser tendencies and maybe even bruiser-like time powers. Just something to possibly keep into consideration.
*** This Troper was under the impression that Spades meant "Muscle" as in overall manpower/crew strength.
** Hussie recently speculated that he's now keeping certain details secret just to annoy people, including these time powers. My brain chose to interpret that as "Those details will somehow become plot-critical in a confusing fashion." So, the most tangled-up thing I could think of was: the Felt are actually native to the kids' universe. They traveled to Alternia via some sort of Quarter-operated [[
** When Quarters finally made his apperance in The Felt Adventure, he mentions to have "Temporal Intuition" and that his rack takes "Time Prints". Perhaps the rack can 'record' someone in the form of a ball (i.e. taking a 'print' of the person's life up until that point) to be used either to a) copy thier powers/examine thier experiences or b) revive them later somehow in case they die (this could also explain why the Felt have apparently survived multiple fights with the M.Crew despite being decimated easily during the M.Crew intermission). Then again the terms are so vague they could mean anything.
* All of this shit is jossed: Matchsticks teleports in fires and Quarters does summon magic.
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* {{spoiler|Confirmed.}}
Alternatively, we'll get a {{spoiler|[[Castlevania]]}} joke with {{spoiler|Aradia}}.
* Oh, an it will happen on Valentine's Day. In the real world.
** Okay, the Valentine's Day part is Jossed, the former is... {{spoiler|sort of confirmed, but it seems Kanaya is either [[Ax Crazy]] or [[The Unfettered]].}}
* Jossed really. Vriska and Kanaya part ways without having really spoken about anything.
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== John will save Rose from the brink of insanity using [[The Power of Love]]. ==
For added [[Crowning Moment of Heartwarming]], it may be accompanied by "How Do I Live?"
* Jossed
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== {{spoiler|Kissing a corpse without a dream self will make them into the undead}} ==
[[Nice Job Breaking It, Hero|Nice Job Making It Worse, Heroes]].
* Which would nicely fit with all the "don't turn your back on the body"- business.
* {{spoiler|CONFIRMED?!}}
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== Jade's penpal will be Kanaya's, um, offspring. ==
Kanaya's formal introduction <s>hammers you over the head with</s> implies a lot of points that connect her to Jade, such as a similar lunchbox, a love of colorful shit, the friggin' frog temple, her penchant for dreaming, and her jade-green blood . This jade color is also somewhat reminiscent of the green hue Jade's penpal wrote in. Kanaya herself may not be Jade's penpal, as both the color and the writing style are different from Kanaya's. But it's outright stated that Kanaya will, um, impregnate her Lusus at some point, so it's probable that Kanaya's, um, offspring will be the one to contact Jade. Hey, stranger things have happened in this comic.
* The offspring in question seems to be another mother grub. Her responsibility was not to impregnate her Lusus, but to cut the egg out of her.
** Pretty sure from context and everything that Jade's Penpal is Grandpa Harley.
** Jossed jossed! It's Jade's grandkid and the orb is asploded.
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== Gamzee is cA ==
Or rather, Gamzee is a split personality of cA. Slime pies and faygo are most likely to blame for this.
* [http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003922\] -> [http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003967\] ?????
** You see, that bottle got launched ''so hard'' it looped around the whole world. And Gamzee changed personas in the mean time. It was a mIrAcLe.
* Yeah jossed.
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FINALLY, Andrew Hussie reads these theories, or someone posts the above on the MSPA forums, and there he reads them. He puts the ideas in the story, but because we saw Vriska view a younger Jade notice AH’s meta-fiction, Jade, as her dream-self, warns some one on Prospit of these theories, like the White Queen, and alters the story so that someone relative to the Exiles, like that One-Shot Prospit Painter, becomes the Big Bad, overcoming Bec Noir, as a playful screw you to his fans. Like as Fridge Logic calls Hussie the Webcomic Kojima, he will pull a planned ass pull near the end of Homestuck that was brilliant all along. OR, he reads all the above, calls this poster a Virgin Loser, and moves on without any Fan Influence as he has been doing for the longest time.
But, one can dream, right?
* I read the first few sentences and yeah this is Jossed.
== Vriska will be a [[Karma Houdini]] ==
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* But Hussie is a character in the comic, so if anything, he will be the greatest troll in all of metafiction for creating Vriska.
** AAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAA...
* Jossed.
== Andrew Hussie is saving [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seJrIQdZRsY&feature=more_related Octoroon Rangoon] for the final battle with Jack Noir ==
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== Dave is part Weasel. ==
He is frequently resisting the urge to [[Freak
* Jossed, Dave is pretty okay with imps.
** And the wiki turned out to be wrong about why the imps were the way they were.
== The kids will become the new EXALTED RULERS of the kingdoms once they ascend to Skaia, which has happened many times before. ==
Doing this, they save Earth's population from certain doom... by moving them all into the kingdoms. Unfortunately, the people who already live there will have to leave forever. adiosToreador was referring to the exodus when he said "iT'S THE MOST AWFUL THING, tHE WORST YOU CAN EVER DO,"
It is an [[Vicious Cycle|endless cycle of one race kicking the other out of the kingdoms to escape an apocalypse]]. The current EXALTED RULER''S'' were the heroes who saved the people of their own planet by working their way up the Gates and defeating the previous EXALTED RULERS (who were the hero of their own people and so on and so forth). Each displaced race is dumped on the usurpers' ruined planet; we know three of the survivors as the Wayward Vagabond, Peregrine Mendicant and Aimless Renegade, and the trolls are members of an earlier race who have managed to rebuild on a foreign world. In time, the meteor strikes will happen to some other alien civilization, and ''the kids'' will be the bad guys to defeat. (Of course, they'll be able to stop the cycle forever before that happens.)
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== Gamzee is setting himself up as Dark Link to John's [[The Legend of Zelda:
John's previous chumhandle was ghostyTrickster, and clowns are similar to tricksters. In [S] John: Rise Up, the music track is called "''Savior'' of the Waking World"; Gamzee is claiming to be the Mirthful Messiahs. Note, also, the mythological connection between Capricorn and Typheus: according to one tale, Pan threw Typheus into a river, and the parts that were submerged became fishlike, while the dry bits were goatlike.
* Jossed in that Gamzee has set himself up as a rival to ''Dave''.
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* {{spoiler|DD is indeed present on Derse's moon with Rose while it is en route to the Green Sun. Whether he will manage to kill her or not remains to be seen.}}
== John will be forced to [["I Know You
What was said in jest [http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004823 here] will become deadly serious.
* Straight up Jossed.
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== Karkat's blood becomes temporarily invincible upon emerging from his body. ==
[[Super Mario Bros.|Thus why it was flashing different colors.]]
* Jossed
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I'm also guessing that he's responsible for the Rift, as a means of accessing other sessions in an attempt to disrupt them similarly.
* I've thought about this too, and it would certainly be an interesting parallel to Spades Slick's war on Lord English and the Felt on ruined Alternia. Unfortunately, by destroying Skaia and then creating the Rift and breaking the Troll session, he would actually be bringing about the end of two universes, ending the loop and effectively summoning Lord English himself.
* Or, Jack is just a murderous grump who wants to destroy the infrastructure of the Incipisphere so he can get on with the business of creating a world in his own image, the way Troll-Jack did as Spades Slick once he was Exiled. However, neither Jack likes the idea of Lord English horning in on his territory, and Mr.Slick's vendetta against him in the Intermission foreshadows an eventual Heel Face Turn once Lord English arrives in the Kid's session.
* Jossed by later updates: Jack takes gleeful pride in murders and is only doing it to stave off boredom.
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Snowman will follow Slick, because why not. Jack Noir will see her, think she's his Black Queen resurrected, freak out -- "Oh god oh god I fucking tore you to pieces and stomped on them and you're still here WHY ARE YOU STILL HERE I KILLED YOU" -- and break down sobbing. It will be hilarious.
* Alternately, Jackspers will promptly flip the fuck out (again) and try to kill her again, and Slick will be forced to step in and help defend Snowman.
** Let's take this further. Noir does kill Snowman, destroying the universe they are currently in and summoning Lord English. [[Nice Job Breaking It, Hero|Nice job breaking it, villain]].
* One possible variation is Spades Slick finds the ring hidden in the royal vault (if it's the same vault he's currently in), and uses its prototypes to fight against the fully prototyped Jack Noir from the kids' universe (whether or not he's actually Lord English).
** Based off the fact that those prototypes include Feferi and Vriska's Lusus, the battle would be just like Problem Sleuth versus Demonhead Mobster Kingpin. Except you'd be rooting for Demonhead Mobster Kingpin. [[Metaphorgotten|And they're actually the same person]].
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== Jade can write, but not speak. ==
She hasn't had the chance for a long time.
* Jossed, she probably learned to speak from Prospitians
== Act 5-2 will end when Jade enters the medium, and Act 6 will end with the Rift. ==
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== Sburb is a representation of events that happened eons ago, in a long-dead universe ==
The planets, Derse and Prospit included, are mirrors of planets that existed in that universe, and Skaia was a source of great power located in the center. The black-carapaced beings from Derse wanted to take it as their own, but the white-carapaced Propites wanted equilibrium in the universe, so they tried to protect it. While the two worlds warred on the planet the power rested on (represented by the battlefield), the other races tried to stay out of it... until one day, a young frog named Bilious Slick decided to stop the war. He rallied all of the other planets to his side, but it only brought the wrath of the Dersians upon them. But they persevered, and Slick and his compatriots eventually assassinated the Black King and Queen, stopping the war. Sadly, it was too late for most of the universe; entire planets were burned bare and whole races were wiped out. Slick and his army, together numbering 1025, were all that was left of civilization. In despair, they turned to the great power and tried to recreate their world as it once was. But the power could not recreate; it could only create new things. Slick and his friends then created the Medium, the Incipisphere, Skaia, and a whole new universe that would be infinitely connected to them. If the new universe came to face such a peril as theirs, there would be a relatively easily accessible way to start over.
Slick put in the Frog Temples as a "signature" of sorts, a sign that he had once existed. The races on the planets are copies of those that allied with Slick and the frogs. The Dersians and Prospites are identical because they had all died when the new universe was creates, so Slick based them off of gamepieces from [[Chess
* So Lord English is a frog that went rogue?
** Lord English was never meant as part of the game, but is rather a glitch in the system, perhaps caused by the Medium copying itself so many times, causing it to be permanently warped... rather like [[Sweet Bro and Hella Jeff|JPEG compression]].
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== The whole [[Have I Mentioned I Am Heterosexual Today?|"I'm not homosexual"]] thing is a huge temporal misunderstanding. ==
John actually ''is'' homosexual (or bisexual). But thanks to [http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004690 this conversation], he deduced that Karkat was talking about himself and completely shot down Karkat since he figured that Karkat was right about not having a big make-out session with the trolls and Karkat had probably [[Poor Communication Kills|"GOTTEN TOO WRAPPED UP IN A SORT OF CALIGINOUS IDEAL" or was not "THINKING TOO CLEARLY AT THAT MOMENT"]], and deemed pursuing him to be a bad idea.
* I know this is a [[Het Is Ew]] fandom, but that seems a bit of a stretch.
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== The Countdown Without a Clock to Claim It is counting down to the death of {{spoiler|the last troll}} ==
{{spoiler|Gamzee will be the last, quietly dying of his injuries as he watches the miracle of a new beginning to take his mind of his group's end - the fact the he chose the beginning of Jadesprite to watch implies that Jadesprite is very important.}}
* Possibly Jossed: [
* Completely Jossed.
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== Betty Crocker is a First Guardian. ==
Barring any unexpected additions to the plot, this is the most likely explanation for her not being human and still being alive prior to the Kids' session. It also helps to explain her ubiquitousness.
== John percieves the outside world's people to be nothing. ==
Just like how the way a guardian looks reflects their respective kids perception of them, that is exactly how John percieves the people around him other than his friends and family- like they never existed.
== The blood on Jack's hand when he enters the troll session was Jade's ==
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== There was only ever one session. ==
I was rereading some earlier strips, mostly the ones involving the trolls' session. At one point it is pointed out that despite the fact there were two separate teams and units that seemed to suggest two distinct sessions, the eventual twist in the story is that there was always only one session.
Now remember this is a story about self-reciprocation, is it possible that the trolls' sessions and the kids' sessions are connected more than that? The answer occurred to me yes and Cascade seemed to further confirm it. Jack Noir was easily able to transport to the trolls' world using the equipment on Earth.
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I thought maybe the original intent of the game is to create the universe that created your universe. Basically, the kids created the trolls' universe and the trolls' created the kids universe. A stable time-loop, but at this point I'm not sure. As in this case these two sessions were necessary for the creation of the Green Sun.
Then I thought, "Due to the fact that the game take place in a timeless zone, perhaps all sessions are taking place simultaneously." Then perhaps that all the sessions are depending on each other for one reason or another. If that's the case maybe all the sessions are just one really huge session at work.
* Yeah, I've been believing that each universe is really a link in the chain, creating the next... until it becomes a huge (probably infinite) loop.
== The Dates/Special Numbers correspond to the number of surviving memebers of that group. ==
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== Earth's Sburb session has already been Scratched, each reset will always have The Tumor, and Mr. Egbert is John from the previous session. ==
Earth's Tumor is not merely a mutation, but a design - Earth is the last of the worlds, and The Tumor signals the planned end of the universe. Each reset reverses absolutely everything about the session, so the trolls don't know about any Scratched sessions (even if they intervened in or even died in them). There was one session previous to the session where the story takes place, wherein John was able to successfully complete the Scratch, but was the only survivor of the game. He fell to Earth at a random point in time - sometimes in the seventies, to be precise - just in time to be found by Nanna, who realized the pattern of children falling from meteors and took him in.
In 1995, when the meteors began to fall from the sky, older!John contacted Rose's Mom, Dave's Bro, and Jade's Grandfather and told them the truth, which they were quick to accept due to their own odd upbringings, and told them to prepare their newfound children for their fate. Five months later, young John fell from the sky, and this John (not knowing that the Tumor was present in every session) both prepared him for his role as the Heir of Breath and lavished love on him, but (like the other guardians) did not actually tell him anything.
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== Kanaya is going to Kimesis for John. HARD. ==
Her current relationship with Rose is based on her belief that the first conversation she ever had with Rose was an attempt at aggression, that has caused her no end of strife. When she eventually discovers all of this strife has been caused by a single act of trolling by John, AND that he simultaneously embarrassed Rose seconds after their first conversation, in the most lewd of ways possible for Trolls, she will know unbridled rage towards him.
Completely, utterly unbridled.
* [[Word of Gay]] says Kanaya would never be interested in John.
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Doc Scratch mentions the idea of [http://mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005710 circumstantial simultaneity] here, while examining the doomed timeline where Vriska fights Jack. Somehow, the idea seems a bit too important to be regulated to a doomed timeline, since Scratch mentions that similar events will lead up to his death. It's not known whether the troll's equivalent to the Beat Mesa survived Jack's rampage, but if it did, they might make an attempt to reset their universe in order to unbork everything that was borked by Jack's appearance.
This, of course, is the event that leads to Jack entering the troll's [[Nice Job Breaking It, Hero|session in the first place]], as resetting both games at the same time causes them to connect. As Doc Scratch said, Jack's departure didn't have anything to do with the scratch. At least, not the one the ''kids'' cause.
* Jossed by [S] Cascade (if not before)
== Jade's Green Sun Streetsweeper will have the power of reality warping. ==
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== The EXALTED RULER is Spades Slick's father, and Snowman is his sister ==
All three of them share the same features,such as the black carapace and fangs, liking of violence, the ability to hold authority over others...there is also the fact that Snowman seemingly does not want to kill Slick, going for just maiming and humiliating him instead - like an
* Probably not given that Jack and the BQ canonically have hatemance that in the troll's case at least developed into genuine romance.
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** Not yet, but we'll see.
* Some of this may be true, but so far with the Vaults...probably not. Exiles are indeed programmed but only in the game sense as they are essentially NPCs. Jack and WV especially represent two methods of removing the final bosses prior to fighting them, although WV's rebellion removing the Black King is apparently much harder to pull off than Jack's Operation Regisurp to remove te Black Queen.
== AH may have based the names SGRUB and SBURB off of real life experiences or sociology ==
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== The Trolls fail at everything they do, which will soon become advantageous. ==
They tried trolling the kids. [[Friendly Enemy|Didn't work out.]] Then they actually did try helping the kids. [[Bad Future|Didn't work out.]] However, the kids won't realize that was accidental and will be beyond angry with the trolls, who will respond by trying to more directly sabotage them. [[Nice Job Fixing It, Villain|Won't work out.]]
* This has played out to some extent already. {{spoiler|[[Word of God]] confirmed gallowsCalibrator intended to get John killed from the start. [[Nice Job Fixing It, Villain|Her manipulation has instead aided three of the kids in this timeline.]] If the other trolls start following suit and try to get the kids killed, this may play out.}}
== The war between Light and Darkness will have no winners. ==
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== The game is designed to [[No Fair Cheating|screw you over]]... if you try to cheat. ==
While not explicitly mentioned as such, there are two instances, the [[Bad Future]] and the current [[Timey
* John uses a Jetpack to jump ahead into his 7th gate, and (presumably) dies soonafter. This means he can't get Jade to enter the game, and the game is presumed [[Unwinnable]] by Dave and Rose.
* Jade, seeing a vision of a crying John, send him [[Game Breaker]] to help him in his time of need. When Jack Noir gets his hand on it, the end result is that the Reckoning is kicked off far earlier than it should have been, ultimately resulting in the crying scene the present was meant to comfort.
In both instances, it's due to the fact that [[Nice Job Breaking It, Hero|somebody tried to cheat the game]] for an easy win. The lesson here? DON'T [[Precision F
* The irony is that, without the jetpack and Fear No Anvil, John would never have got those paradox clone babies launched before the kids' brought-forward Reckoning. Two wrongs make a right?
** The jetpack might be a borderline case, where flying over encounters deprives you of experience you might need later, and the hammer's code was earned legitimately in an already-doomed future, so between that and the necessity of the paradox clones, the game might have been lenient enough to let that slide.
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== Sburb isn't meant to be competitive, and the trolls put themselves in this mess. ==
tA mentioned modifying the code of the game, and this is the first mention we've had of two competing teams. tA made it so that the two sessions could interact, and in doing so exposed all the players to whatever space exists between sessions. This is the only reason that the kids' game, regardless of how screwed up it gets, was able to influence the trolls'.
* The reason the Human's game influenced the Troll's is because they were tied together by the Trolls meddling with the Kid's timeline. Sollux didn't do anything of the sort.
== During the [[LARP]] session, [[Explosive Instrumentation|AG's eyepiece will explode.]] ==
It will turn [[Eye Scream|her left eye]] and left arm into a blue bloody mess, and lead her to look like her [[Eyepatch of Power|appearance in]] [[Artificial Limbs|the present.]] [[Laser
== The Trolls' species evolved from the Exiles from a previous game of Sburb played by kids from a past civilization on their world. ==
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== Skaia exists to summon Lord English ==
Think about it. It results in [[The End of the World
* Skaia exists to create universes. Derse creates the guardians.
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== Have we forgotten Jade's accidental [[Humongous Mecha]] code? ==
It may be expensive, it might even be a [[Red Herring]], but having a giant robot could seriously even the odds in the final battle.
* She also has the code to make [[Short Circuit
** The "giant mecha" is just a toy.
** A ''toy'', huh? So, ''that's'' what she alchemises with the [[Con Air]] bunny to make Cyber-Bunny!
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* Then J would never have been born.
== Doc Scratch's job is to kill Snowman in the very end. ==
If Doc Scratch is manipulating everything in order to bring about Lord English, he must kill Snowman in order to end the universe, bringing about Lord English. This would make sense with the pool metaphor, as the cue ball must pocket the eight ball to end the game.
* It's Slick's job.
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* According to Andrew, Equius wouldn't care, and he'd just file Karkat under the "lowblood" heading because he's a racist asshole.
== Karkat will at some point manipulate evolution on Earth. ==
Which is why vertebrates have mutant candy blood, why frogs exist on Earth, and why <s> trolls look so much like humans</s> we look so much like trolls.
* Kanaya and Karkat had the most influence on our universe because they created B. Slick.
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== The explanation of Troll reproduction vastly simplified the mechanics of inheritance ==
Okay, so, [http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004296 this] makes me feel like Psycho Mantis in [[The Last Days of Foxhound]], even moreso than I did in that pointless rant aways above. (Don't read it, it's pointless.) Anyway, my current guess as to how to get that explanation to satisfy me... Most multicellular life on Alternia is a colonial organism composed of multiple symbiotic species' gametophyte stages. (Here's the silly bit): when the cells undergo reproductive mitosis, a combination of physical and psychic connection means that each gametophyte has some sort of... sympathetic resonance with the mind of its parent colony. The stronger the feelings between each parent in a pair, the more... something... the resulting sporophyte of each species. Point is, that increases reproductive fitness in the context of the Matriorb. Anyway, after that silliness is done, and the sporophytes of each species compete in the matriorb, the most fit undergo meiosis, and the resulting gametophyte cells form the appropriate colonies. (Given the signaling that pretty much all multicellular life performs with its symbiotic bacteria, it's not too surprising if something like that could actually work.) If true, this has the side-effect of giving Alternian life something very close to [[Lego Genetics]].
* Let's just say no. Mother Grubs are a symbiotic species with the Trolls and it's hard to draw the line between them, but trolls used to reproduce similarly to humans.
== The arc number has something to do with playing cards ==
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When Die switched to a timeline where Spades was dead, the world was a wasteland. This implies that Spades did something to prevent his present from being a wasteland... and that whatever it was, he hadn't done it yet. This theory would explain what that "something" was.
* A possible extension of this theory is that the "Snowman" who cuts off his arm is actually Past!Banished Quasiroyal, before she became Snowman... who attacked Spades because she thought he was the Jack Noir who betrayed her (And that might actually be the case, but that's not what this WMG is about).
* I'm pretty sure it's outright confirmed that they're the same Jack Noir.
** Confirmed actually.
*** Jossed Actually!!!!
== Vriska and Tavros were switched at birth...or something ==
Tavros, the second-lowest troll on the blood hierarchy, has no psychic powers, unlike Aradia and Sollux. The only other troll seen to have mind powers is Vriska, who's several steps up in the hierarchy. It's said [http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004364 here] that the lesser bloods are the ones that are the ones that have psychic powers. This might have something to do with their...unique relationship.
* Are you forgetting Tavros's psychic powers of cOMMUNION,?
** And Terezi's second sight? It's birth-inherent, she just had to lose her first sight to gain access to it. Though it could be argued that all the trolls have this power, since she accesses it through her awakened dream self.
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== Tavros strongly hates Eridian ==
I've seen enough love triangles in my time, I wanna see a genuine hate triangle.
* But Tavros is incapable of hate!
** Tavros and Eridan never speak together in canon.
== There are agents of Prospit with the initials PS, AD, and PI ==
We haven't seen them yet because they managed to [[Problem Sleuth|get stuck in their own offices]].
* This is stupid.
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In fact, because of the cast of peripubescent trolls and because of the artstyle, there's no evidence trolls have primary or secondary sexual characteristics as humans would recognise them. In the Alternian language, 'female' might be shorthand for 'prefers the relative comfort and freedom of wearing a skirt.'
* [[Completely Missing the Point|But, Vriska wears pants...]]
* The fact that the Trolls don't even have a concept of 'homosexuality' makes sense with this.
** One explanation for this is because, if I correctly recall the ways in which troll romance is weird, the pairings that contribute their genetic material do so to a large amount of incestuous slurry. (And no, this theory is not solely an excuse to use that phrase.) Theoretically, it wouldn't matter what the sex of trolls involved when the filial pails get passed around, especially because Andrew hasn't really extrapolated on that in terms of differences from human concepts of "male" or "female". (Probably because he agrees that the job of coming up with genitalia for your alien race should be left to the musclebeast artists.)
*** And oh, [[Squick|how it has been]].
* [[Word of God]] is that Trolls have vestigial genders. They are basically a post gender society. Homosexuality does exist, but it's basically the equivalent of a fetish.
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