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== Neither 413 nor 612 are actually important. ==
Instead, they combine to form 1025, the ''true'' [[Arc Number]], which symbolizes the fact that the Kids and Trolls will have to work together to defeat Lord English and escape the game. This hinges on whether something significant in this adventure happens on October 25th.
* And on October 25th we get Alterniabound. Nice.
* And Jade's timer reads 10 minutes, 25 seconds, much to John's confusion. Confirmed?
** Well, confirmed that 1025 is ''an'' [[Arc Number]], at least. The clock counting down to the Critical Moment may confirm this theory in full.
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All of the Felt are dead because this is the future where the Trolls and the Kids got their act together and dealt with Lord English properly.
Also, the super-important treasure the Vault contained? The Troll Black Queen's fully-prototyped ring. Both groups of Exiles, along with their respective Rings, will be instrumental in whatever timey-wimey recursively reachedaround shenanigans this victory requires.
* It's actually the quite ordinary past.
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== What Terezi meant by their [http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004475 little moment ] ==
Read Karkat's response as a complete sentence. The period at the end seems to indicate that it is indeed a complete (poorly worded) sentence.
* According to Karkat, it involved them taking "[
== The kids and the Trolls will meet face-to-face, and somehow manage to fix everything. ==
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== The Cue Balls are Doc Scratch's... balls ==
The magic cue balls are Doc Scratch's manhood. It's why we've only seen two, and why he got so pissed when he found out Vriska had one. Also why it had his powers and why he could control it like it was part of himself.
* That is disgusting. Also Doc probably doesn't even have sexual organs.
== Feferi doesn't interact much with Nepeta because she is afraid of cats ==
She is, after all, practically a fish.
== John and Jade are actually the same person ==
The plot twist that John and Jade were related to each other leads into this bigger plot twist that they're the same person but from different timelines.
* Nope.
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Its [http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=002756 this] [http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=002757 thing]. Or at least a statue of him... Or a stuffed severed tentacle that was part of him... straighten it out and it looks (vaguely) like a cue stick...
* Nope, sorry. That's [[wikipedia:Typhon|Typhoeus]], as he appears [http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=001924 in the comic].
** Ah, so that isn't Lord English. Okay new theory (which is actually old and obvious): Typhoeus may be John's Denizen (as suggested by the MSPA wiki [https://web.archive.org/web/20120808222310/http://mspaintadventures.wikia.com/wiki/Denizens here])
*** Yes that's confirmed now.
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== Lord English and Jack Noir are the same being ==
The latest flash game seems to hint heavily toward this direction, since Karkat mentions that he recognized "the demon" that destroyed their universe. Therefore, it's highly probable that "Lord English" is in fact the fully prototyped version of Jack Noir from the kids' session, who somehow ended up being warped into the trolls' session by the rift. The last prototyping (especially if Bec ends up being prototyped) is likely to elevate Noir's power level to [[Game Breaker]] territory.
** As of "[s] Jade: Enter," theory <s>completely confirmed</s> [http://www.formspring.me/andrewhussie/q/1690617240 officially inconclusive]{{Dead link}}
*** As of later developments; probably not!
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It's stated that creatures such as Bec and Doc Scratch are nigh-omnipotent, but it requires a suitable intellect for them to be nigh-omniscient -- an intellect which a dog's brain clearly does not provide. I submit that Bec was always ''capable'' of producing a [[Wave Motion Gun|meteor-destroying energy beam]], but wasn't actually aware of it until he prototyped himself. We know prototyping gives the resulting sprite information about the game (from Davesprite), and it gives them the ability to talk (from the Trolls' session), presumably so that they can share said information with the players. So it would make sense that prototyping could give Bec enough of an intellect boost to grant him the base necessary for his nigh-omniscience, and subsequent knowledge of the full range of his powers.
== Jack Noir will fight a Fully Prototyped Spades Slick and Wayward Vagabond ==
And it will be awesome.
* Er, no. But he will fight a fully prototyped Peregrine Mendicant!
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== Vriska's gambling addiction has reached Omnicidal Level ==
It is clear that Vriska's gambling problem, mixed with own insecurity, will eventually lead to the destruction of all reality. The latest comics showing {{spoiler|that she used her powers to mind control the Courtyard Droll of the Kid's session to indirectly influence the the Draconian Dignitary to create Becquerel in the first place}} is pretty damning evidence of her own slipping sanity. The trigger of this is inconsequential, but this further proof that {{spoiler|that she is directly responsible for Bec Noir/Jacquerel in the first place and consequentially for the Scratch}}. The reason? Like [[Chrono Trigger
== The Felt, as an orchestra, perform the Music of the Spheres, relating to perfect harmony; kill the Felt, kill the harmony, kill the order, as desired by the chaotic forces known as [[Horror Terrors]]/Squiddles. ==
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== The Royal Derringer is alchemized from the LEGENDARY PIECE OF SHIT, or forged from it by Hephaestus ==
I have no idea what Dave would alchemize for it, though... Perhaps a copy of Lord of the Rings?
* It's native to the mythologies of Sburb and Lohac, and it's the reforged Caledfwlch.
== Jade's grandson is part Troll ==
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== Gamzee's cuts at zero hour weren't made by cat claws... ==
This trooper thinks the cuts might have been made by a sickle. Meaning there must have been a fight between him and Karkat, and considering Gamzee's state of mind right now, I doubt he would let Karkat live if he won.
* No they were directly caused on panel by Nepeta's claws.
== When Doc Scratch told Karkat not to turn his back on the body, he wasn't talking about those in the room... at the moment. ==
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== Nepeta's dream will have a consequence in reality ==
{{spoiler|Aradia}} ''is'' going to see Equius soon.
However, {{spoiler|Aradia presumably still has the power to hear spirits, so she might just see Equius's ghost.}} Then again, Valentine's Day is coming up, and {{spoiler|Andrew is suspiciously not referring to Aradia in his Formspring when he talks about Equius being a one-note gag character}}, so who knows?
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== The folks in the afterlife WILL come back to the living plane at some point, under some circumstance ==
The interlude with {{spoiler|Dead Dave, Tavros, and Aradia}} seemed rather irrelevant to the plot; they ''must'' become more important at some point, and the most likely way they'll be able to do that is by coming back to life in one way or another. And Hussie has worked with [[Death Is a Slap
* Remember though, the DEAD trolls aside from Vriska are all [[Flat Character|Flat Characters]]; from the point of the story there's no real ''reason'' for them to come back aside from fan complaints. Besides, they seem to really enjoy dreambubbles and likely wouldn't want to come back.
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== Jadesprite and Jack Noir will cancel each other out. ==
According to Vriska, Becquerel is unable to go against Derse agents. Jadesprite is partially Becquerel due to prototyping, so she couldn't hurt Jack. Similarly, Jack cannot kill Jade due to Bec's prototyping.
* [[Insane Troll Logic|So just throw them against each other and watch them explode.]]
* However, Jack is probably a good deal more powerful since he has the abilities of having four tiers (well, technically five since Jaspersprite was double prototyped before entering the medium) of prototyping on top of his first guardian powers versus Jadesprites two prototype tiers and first guardian powers. But still neither would be able to kill the other.
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But one thing these facts tell us though, is that troll genetic material (like ours) is one half of the whole. There needs to be (at least) two parents (in genetic terms). Now the problem: The Ancestors and the Trolls we know were created through ectobiology. Like the kids and guardians, I think that Karkat used the paradox slime of the Ancestors to first create their respective paradox clones. That's the easy part. Now the paradox slime is combined in a tank. Similar to kids, but with one exception. There is only one tank, not one for each pairing. Because this is how Troll biology works. The slurry thing.
Now assume this is true (even though I'm not 100% sure that it is up til this point). In the slurry, the genetic pairs form into twelve pairs (6 Flushed and 6 Caliginous). So each Ancestor has their biological material mixed up in two young Trolls (one from a flushed pairing and one from a caliginous pairing). I would also guess it would form a sort of giant daisy chain rather that several smaller daisy chains, just because it fits well.
I think this also explains some of the slight differences between the Trolls and their Ancestors.
Example 1: Vriska isn't quite up to the level of villainy as Mindfang; she seems a little bit too dramatic and a few of her plans prior to entering SGRUB are sort of a joke. Now what if Vriska was caused by the genetic material of Mindfang and Dualscar's Caliginous relationship. While the bulk of Vriska comes from Mindfang, but maybe her [[Big Ham]] side comes from Dualscar.
Example 2: Feferi's Ancestor is the Condesce. Feferi's a lot more accepting and wants to abolish the caste system to a certain extent. She almost wants to bring things to the way they were prior to the scratch. This may be because of the major Black Feelings toward the highbloods that the Suffer had on his death mixed his gentic material with the Condesce's genetic material.
Before your say that Karkat is the Suffer's descendant, remember I pointed out that each Ancestor has two descendants (one Flushed and one Caliginous). So yeah that still works. And this also doesn't sink any ships due to genetic relationships, it isn't called an incestuous slurry for nothing, folks. The troll takes on primary traits (blood color, appearance, basic personalities) from one parent and secondary traits from the other.
* Irrelevant anyways; the Ancestors are the genetic children of the Trolls and their Ectobiology lab prominently showed 2 tubes which means this six timing stuff can't possibly be true.
** It still could be, but instead of a do-decagon like I was imagining it would be two hexagons. Still works in the case of two tubes for combination.
** And I don't remember seeing a panel that outright states in which order the Ancestors and Trolls were actually made. A key point about the Ancestors' scratch dealt with the fact: they weren't playing the session they were created in and thus always destined to scratch the game (Doc Scratch mentions this being the Glitch that marks Lord English's target, his calling card). So maybe the Ancestors were always meant to be the Ancestors and therefore the ones that appearified for the paradox slime. Though really this is speculation based on the facts, my wild guess was the fact that 6 of the trolls were born from redrom feelings and the other 6 from blackrom whether this refers to the Ancestors or Trolls doesn't really matter it just would have made my guess a paragraph longer to explain that possible wrinkle.
== Kids ==
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== Strider killed the dinosaurs ==
Think on it. There is a truly massive meteor impact aimed for somewhere in the pacific ocean, which is quite possibly Jade's island. And yet the frog temple is still standing. Now [https://web.archive.org/web/20130921183211/http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=002657 at one point] we see a meteor land where the frog temple will be years in the past, before there is a temple there. The Meteor has clearly been warped in from somwhere/when. It's possible that Strider, for some reason or another, warped the meteor back in time (saving Jade's house from firey doom). The vast explosion caused the extinction of the dinosaurs as we know it, and also marks a difference in the timeline from ours.
As to why Strider is the one who warped this meteor back in time, ask yourself: Who else is badass enough to have killed the dinosaurs?
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== Rose will go blind. ==
She's the ''[[Blind Seer|Seer]] of Light'', for Pete's sake.
* Jossed
== One of the Derse dreamers, most likely Rose, will destroy Derse. ==
Rose will somehow discover that Jack has agents on Derse. It's never been stated that dreamselves don't have the abilities of the original, so she will do something to destroy the planet, most likely killing Dream Dave by accident in the process. This is the event that causes Jack to succumb to unfathomable bloodlust.
* While I don't think that Derse will be destroyed by Rose's direct action, I do agree that the destruction of this Derse would cause Jack to lose it since that would kill the Draconian Dignitary, his apparent friend and likely moirail, maybe even the Droll too. With the loss of his last calming factors (besides possibly Rose and Jade due to the personality carry overs of Jaspers and Becquerel) and friend Jack would be more than justified in his rampage through the troll's session. In light of this, I think Rose will simply kill the Draconian Dignitary to make Jack feel her pain, and it will succeed beyond her wildest imagination. Thus the blood on Jack's hand that is seen when he enters the troll's session will be DD's blood, which will get there as Jack checks on his dying friend. As he escapes the scratch, his anger will be compounded by the fact that he is apparently unable to strike at the source of his misery (Rose.)
** Jack doesn't really care that much about Droog. Notice when Slick thought Droog and the rest of the Crew were dead in the intermission; he didn't even give it two thoughts and just went back to his own business. Slick would arguably be even ''more'' compassionate than a normal Jack Noir, because he's had [[Character Development]] by that point.
*** Slick is the Trolls' Jack, so this is irrelevant (the character development/not caring about the other Midnight Crew guys) to the conversation at hand (re Bec Noir, the kids' Jack).
*** Slick and Jack are still very similar, and comparisons between them aren't invalid. Andrew himself thinks so, having said the main reason Slick appeared was as a preview of Jack's villainous nature. And again, Slick himself would likely be more compassionate than Jack, having had [[Character Development]] and interactions with the Red Team. At any rate, this WMG is Jossed, both of them go on the suicide mission.
== Rose is now [[Immune to Fate]] ==
Kanaya has said that after the black out, she couldn't see Rose afterward. Now that she's gone all [[Grimdark]] due to the Horror Terrors, she really can [[Screw Destiny]] now. Whether this is good or bad remains to be seen.
* The Elder Gods are just another faction in the [[You Can't Fight Fate]]. And indeed according to Doc, this was her fate.
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== John has a Dersite dreamself ==
Just like Sollux. After dying, his new dreamself will awaken in a [[Crowning Moment of Awesome]].
* I think you are forgetting that God Tiers can only really die if their death was Heroic or Just. John's BAMKATANACHESTSTABDIE was neither heroic nor just. So he's probably not really dead, just unconscious from the shock brought on by the very sudden stabbing and bloodloss, as would be normal if you were stabbed through the heart, except of course he's going to skip out on the whole dying part and just wake up once the wound heals.
** It's debatable, because he was fighting an unfightable foe, a heroic cause if ever there was. Nevertheless, John doesn't have a Derse dreamself, there are only 2 towers. If you compare the troll's Derse and Prospit, their Derse has 5 towers and Prospit 7, so if it were a similar situation to Sollux, we would've already seen it.
*** John revives via god powers
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** One Fan Fiction dubbed it the Arachnid's Grip after Vriska's chat handle.
** Fluorite Octet + Pop-a-matic Doomsday Cascader + Quills of Echinda + Warhammer of Zillyhoo = Fluoromatic Quillyhoo
* Jossed; Hussie referred to it as the "Pop-A-Matic Vrillyhoo Hammer" [https://web.archive.org/web/20130628222731/http://mspandrew.tumblr.com/post/11975241895/about-eoa5-part-4 here].
== Dave becomes Lord English ==
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This theory pretty much gives English a lot more credibility as a villain for me. He'd be responsible for everything! In a more specific way! His powers don't require him to actually view things in a "cause -> effect" manner. The two sessions and Universes were always bifurcated, always at the beginning of his plans and empowerment of his servants, and always at the end, taking place in what appears to be the cul-de-sac on the road of the whole game he's created. The beginning is the end is the beginning. The only good news I can see is that, if the remaining characters are destined to win, they're destined to win. Death of English would take place at the beginning and the end, and that is NOT too crazy a concept for Homestuck. The actual properties of this man are probably still unknown (Hussie's benefit for creating some new laws of physics and not being required to explain them), as well as the question of the destructibility of the Green Sun. CAN it be destroyed, at all? Is it necessary to?
I suggest we wait for the next update with Jade and John, as well as everyone else. Because that could disprove everything. Ha-durp.
* Hussie has [https://web.archive.org/web/20130628222731/http://mspandrew.tumblr.com/post/11975241895/about-eoa5-part-4 said] that the progression of images shown by the wall were being flashed by Lord English's coat, and are only symbolic of the Scratch undoing everything that has happened in the story.
== The Jade from Davesprite's timeline will be Lord English's new servant. ==
Never once have we received solid evidence that she's dead. And it's certainly within Lord English's power to keep her alive even though she's from a doomed timeline. Besides, we still don't know what exactly happened to Betty Crocker.
Plus, she could very easily be alive in Davesprite's timeline. There's no doubt that Bec would try to protect her like he did in [S] Jade: Enter. After that, it would be fairly easy for her to find food and water, given Bec's teleportation abilities. As for shelter, she could just use her house, if it still existed. It would probably even have power, too, since its energy source is the nearby volcano. If not, she could use the Frog Temple, like AR did.
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== Jadesprite has the memories of Jade from the same Alternate Future Davesprite came from. ==
She thinks that both she and John are dead, and that nothing in the clouds were true. Seems to match up perfectly with the alternate timeline where they both DO die, and the cloud predictions seem to be for the alpha timeline. Not to mention, if Davesprite is still alive, this could mean a touching reunion scene.
* She thinks they're both dead because she assumed they died when Prospit hit Skaia. The one from the beta timeline would be a separate Jade, after all, Jade prototyped the corpse from the alpha session, so the Past!Alpha!Dream!Jade was pulled back, but had experienced at least 13 years in Heaven or whatever. Confused?
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== Davesprite will destroy the Green Sun[[Tropers/Blood Nightmaster|.]] ==
* Since he's recently been confirmed as still kicking, consider [http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=003746 this comic] (Alpha) Dave made with the SBAHJifier while taking a picture of his alternate future self + [http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005779 this dream] he talked about with Rose months earlier.
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{{color|red|TG: i looked up into the sky }}
{{color|red|TG: didnt see anyone singing }}
{{color|red|TG: but even though the sky was black i could see the sun }}
{{color|red|TG: it was bright as hell even through my shades }}
{{color|red|TG: so i flapped my wings and flew up away to it like a fucking piece of garbage }}
{{color|red|TG: and thats it }}
{{color|orchid|TT: This doesn't strike you as an impulse of self destruction? }}
{{color|red|TG: no }}
{{color|red|TG: not in the sense that it was a dark sacrificial zoology mission }}
{{color|red|TG: it was more like somewhere to go besides watching myself die a lot from the vantage of a feathery murder of dumb shitty birds }} }}
* He's going to go since he's a) tired of seeing so many dead Daves around and b) figures he's technically doomed anyway. Judging by the comic foreshadowing I'm guessing (Alpha) Dave will try engaging him in a duel (rather, 'show him [his] chops') to see who will go and who will stay, but Davesprite will just leave his ass hanging mid-fight or something and ascend to save the session. (Bonus points if it ends up being a [[Call Back]] to Terezi and Vriska's standoff.)
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== The SBURB games are counting down. ==
* The special number in the Troll's game? 612. 6+1+2= 9. The Kid's game? 413. 4+1+3= 8. My guess is, there can only be 7 games after this.
** [https://web.archive.org/web/20131104182958/http://homestuck.bandcamp.com/album/mobius-trip-and-hadron-kaleido 214?]
** Alpha is 11 11 11 or 2X3 either way thats 6 so maybe it's not exactly in order, what with the timey-whimey and whatnot.
*** Unless the 7th game was the one that "created" the Alpha session. At least, we know UU is or has been in a session of her own.
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== The Angel's from Eridan's planets served no actual purpose. ==
They were more like [[The Legend of Zelda
* They tied into his [[Myth Arc]] but he perverted it.
* They may have been his consorts.
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== The ultimate result of the Scratch will be a 16-player session with the Kids and the Trolls. ==
Both [
* "You would eventually come to realize that the two teams were playing in the same session all along" has yet to be called back, you just know it's coming.
** Why would it? It had all the importance it needed when it was first brought up.
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* You are assuming that the trolls "won". The final boss may not be the final task, the riddle probably is. You know the one they were "too good" to even bother finding out in the first place.
** Except Karkat for some reason but he's being all coy about it.
*** They ''didn't'', because of Karkat's impatience.
== 1 yard is how HIGH you have to be to put jelly on a hot god. ==
* Building on this, a "hot god" is actually a specific type of horrorterror of above-average attractiveness. Jelly is... I dunno, probably just jelly. But it's gotta do something.
** [https://web.archive.org/web/20130628222731/http://mspandrew.tumblr.com/post/11975241895/about-eoa5-part-4 Jossed.] Scroll down to the section titled "The 4th Wall".
== The cast of [[Problem Sleuth]] are either Prospitian exiles from the Trolls' session, or descendants thereof. ==
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** Doesn't match his handwriting we've seen in the comic. That's not slightly different, that's ''entirely'' different. J's handwriting mostly matches Vriska's.
* 3. The penpal has a desire to get into a (friendly) fist fight with John. If you recall, Jack seems to loathe the [http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005453 "graveyard stuffer"] with a passion. The mere scent of John, causes Jack Noir succumb to [http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005453 unfathomable bloodtlust]. (Or at least it does, before he starts thinking about [http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005454 dog bones] and [http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005455 Jade])
* 4. The penpal indicates that he loves to wrestle, though no one really wants to with him. Makes sense because realy, who'd want to werstle someone with the power to warp to wherever they wanted?
* 5. Why would the penpal refer to Jade as "Grandma"? Jack Noir (deep down) is very loyal to Jade. And loyal people respect their elders!
* 6. The penpal signs his name as "J" which could possibly be short for Jack.
Questions:
* 1. Why would Jack succumb to love, and why would he be in the future?
** Okay, remember that fight with Rose? The colosion of the two powers caused Jack to jet ahead into the future by accident, and caused him to lose his memories of being evil.
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** It was always meant to protect John, even if he was being harassed by Jack's Past self
* 3. Why was he so adamant on making the bunny?
** Too ensure that John and or his friends had at least a chance at taking on lord english
* The kids don't even know English exists, and there is no conceivable situation in which Jack would consider himself Jade's grandson.
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== D c Scratch's goal ==
He's telling Rose how to initiate the Scratch because it will end the universe, allowing L[ ]rd English to enter it. He is already here!
* D c Scratch doesn't lie, as long as we assume we don't have a [[Lying Creator]]. He wouldn't lie about the destruction of the universe because he's assured of it's inevitability regardless of what the kids do. Therefore, the Scratch does what he says it does: reset the universe. He admitted that the kids aren't guaranteed to exist in the reboot, so there's no reason not to tell them if it would be completely destroyed. It's not clear why he advises it, though; it surely can't be a condition for L[ ]rd English's appearance. Perhaps he's indirectly pointing them to an escape routine, as he's said there is a possible way they can survive the reboot, but for whatever reason he won't tell them what that is.
** Well, from this troper can gather, the whole point of sburb is to have the chosen players beat the black kingdom from destroying Skaia and then have there universe get destroyed by L[]rd English (after the players create another, forming a vicious, neverending cycle of destruction). In the kids session, they did something that wasn't supposed to happen (prototyping Bec) which made their session unwinable. So the reason why Doc Scratch wants them to reset, is so that the session can start all over, and flow the way it was supposed to.
* The Scratch doesn't end the universe, just reset it. Scratch however is manipulating Rose, in ways we have yet to see.
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* Or we could simply say, no probably not. Andrew for instance has left open that other human sessions escaped up to whatever number you feel like, and the rebooted session the Kids will be in will have 8 players via technicality. Extrapolation from 3 points, including one that has only been referenced ''once'' is a bit silly don't you think.
== [https://web.archive.org/web/20110902053832/http://www.formspring.me/mspadventures/q/207067705008752445 This formspring] was a [[Sarcastic Confession]]. ==
On the game's Captchacard, the acts so far have been represented by red dots if kid-centered, blue if troll-centered; both are done with, the next acts green and white. It's been pretty clear since the end of Act 4 that the story is taking us to the Outer Rings. Feferi showed us that the Horrorterrors and the Squiddles are one and the same. Now we truly meet the Noble Circle in the Furthest Ring, represented by green, after which white represents the surviving Gods: John, Aradia, one from the session that created Alternia, and fedoraFreak.
* Or more plausibly, Act 6 is green because it will involve Lord English much more and begins with the explosion of the Green Sun. Act 7 is white most likely to show that it is beyond all of the game stuff, as it is going to be entirely epilogue.
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== The Final Battle ==
will involve all characters introduced thus far, and more importantly, will follow problem sleuth's style of taking viewer input.
* Probably not considering a fair number of characters are dead and are not coming back.
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In the beginning of the story, it was stated that the Sburb that the core four had was still in beta, as well as Sgrub in Alternia later on. Perhaps the S-series is as a whole in beta, using characters created as a product of their unfinished game to play it on their own while Skaianet takes the data from those "tests" and uses them to correct it. Quite possibly, when they have enough information from the other games, the testers, like any other, will play the game for themselves. If they the survive their own game without any problems, it will be ready for distribution in the new universe.
What if their playing interferes with the Core Four's session? That hasn't been figured out yet.
* Sburb/Sgrub is ''not very important''. It functions as a minimal interface, default inventory system (deployables), and the way to enter a game. However the facts of a session itself are not shaped by the Swhateverb; the most important thing for the stable time loops is that the players enter. Everything else is gravy.
== The Bec Noir that screwed up the trolls' session didn't actually come from the kids' session. ==
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** The higher caste on the hemospectrum you go the lower the birth rate. At the time the Sufferer was the only candyblood to have ever existed.
*** The Hemospectrum is arrayed like the normal visible spectrum; that is the higher the wavelength the higher the energy (power) and therefore the higher the status. Red would be either the lowest presented or (and this would actually make sense, considering the Rustblood's role) just above Aradia.
*** Feferi's color appears closest to Pink/Magenta which is not technically present in the the visible spectrum (in terms of wavelengths). [https://web.archive.org/web/20130928095527/http://www.null-hypothesis.co.uk/science/strange-but-true/colour_spectrum_magenta_complimentary_bizarre Here] is an article explaining the weirdness. So either Hussie doesn't know this and I'm barking up the wrong tree or the colors are not based on the visible spectrum entirely, but simply ordered that way for convenience.
*** Alternatively, Ultraviolet light runs through colors just like visible light and Red would be the lowest on the UV tier, but the UV tier would still be above Visible Spectrum tier.
** Jossed, Hussie has said the blood color of Karkat and the Sufferer is not on the acknowledged hemospectrum at all.
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== The MSPA Reader is Lord English. ==
First off, I'm saying the ''character'' is, not us as a whole.
Think about it: No matter where the main characters go, no matter what they do, the Reader is still watching them. He is already there, waiting for them to make their next move, anticipating how it will all go down. There was even a time when he (or us, depending on your perception of things) could decide how their universe worked, i.e. submitting commands for them to follow. And since a meta guy like hussie can break through walls easily, whose to say the reader doesn't have a wall they could break through on their own? It'd be a pretty surefire way to take a universe in Homestuck and salvage it for their own, because to him, this is all just a silly comic that he reads in his little land of Stumps and Dismay.
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== Spades will reform the Midnight Crew ==
Well, that is if he survived the death of the universe. As you can remember, Hearts Boxcars was shunted into an entirely different calender, and Diamonds Droog was transported a week into the future and could have avoided the disaster that befallen everyone else. Spades would find someway to get into the horse calender Hearts Boxcars is stuck in, and he could simply wait to meet up with Diamonds Droog. Clubs Deuce in the meantime could have been rescued by Itchy. They're both [[Minion
* Jossed: The universe is shown to be completely destroyed save for Doc's apartment floating in a void.
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It's likely that he found her corpse (the one with the robo-arm that was left behind when she fled Alternia) and tore off the arm to use as his own. But if you're wondering how he outfitted it if it's the wrong arm....HE JUST FLIPPED HIS SPRITE TURNWAYS.
* Her corpse is in the Medium, and likewise Equius's hive and her hive are also in the Medium.
== All the Midnight Crew as exiles control more than one troll. ==
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It was stated when he was first introduced that this takes place "years in the future, but not many". His hatred of kings may stem from John tipping the balance in Skaia to the side of Light and setting himself up as king. If this is the case, WV may simply not have made the connection between John and the king yet. If this is true, expect a portal-like twist later on when WV realizes what is going on and tries to kill John by telling him to do stupid things.
* Also, if the speculation that WV {{spoiler|is actually a shale imp}} is true, it would give him another reason to hate John for {{spoiler|beating them to Skaia in the game.}}
** Jossed by later canon.
== The Exiles are going to travel to the past, where they will ally with the kids and trolls. ==
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== There will be three more exiles that will play a major role in the story ==
Why? Becuase [[Arc Number|4-1-3]]; WV, PM, AR, and WQ, then WK, then the next three exiles. Furthermore, this dovetails with apparent [[Word of God]] about Snowman being the eighth exile; she and two others (possibly members of the Midnight Crew) will come from the Trolls' session.
** Jossed, the eight exile bit was just a reference to the order Snowman was introduced in, after three of the Midnight Crew and 4 of Earth's Exiles. All said there are currently 10 exiles, not 8, and there seems to be a pattern in that 4 are relatively related and the fifth is more of an anomaly.
== The Writ Keeper has some sort of knowledge of the Trolls ==
As said [https://web.archive.org/web/20131115202125/http://mspaintadventures.wikia.com/wiki/Rose%
** It would do him little to no good, given that he won't be able to interact with them except indirectly, and the Kids know plenty about the trolls.
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== Bec killed the dinosaurs ==
As above, but more within the character's capacity.
* He predates the Cretaceous.
== Bec is the Denizen of Earth ==
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* But that was the copy that Dave used, remember?
** Is there any reason that Bro couldn't have also used it? Do you need to have the CD in the drive to play, or does it just install?
*** The CD only works once, like an account verification, presumably as some sort of failsafe or copy protection given that it is a Beta to an anticipated game. Dave needed to make a fifth disc to become Jade's server player. Besides, the two copies given to the Striders were used.
== The kids are the guardians, apart from Jade, who is Betty Crocker, and John, who is DAD. ==
MOM wears a pink scarf that matches Rose's sash. John displays the same clown obsession as DAD, and shows an affection for suits. Dave/BRO used time shenanigans to move around like a ninja and ensure that baby!Dave had all the strife knowledge necessary to survive in Sburb. I have no idea how Jade ended up as Betty Crocker.
* Jossed: John made 8 babies remember?
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== The guardians are also playing a game. ==
Much like the trolls' session, there are two 'parallel' games being run at the same time-- the kids', and the guardians' (as opposed to two sets of regular players.) In fact, the entire reason for the trolls' double-reacharound was the lack of guardians to create the second part of the game since they had to prototype their lusii.
* The narration refers to the troll's mobius reacharound as being unique. Moreover Mom doesn't even seem to own a computer, Bec definitely doesn't, and Dad and Bro's computers have been seen. No Sburb.
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He somehow, perhaps with the fourth prototyping, became aware that he was inhabiting a null session. Everything he has done is [[I Did What I Had to Do|what he has to do]] to make the kids' session non-null
* Sure doesn't clear him of his blowing up of Prospit and the Battlefield when he had only three prototypes.
** Somewhat Jossed, somewhat true. Although he's not trying to fix the session, he's actually the anthropomorphic form of the 'Cancer' of the kids session, so he can't completely be blamed for his actions.
*** That's just Karkat's theory, not necessarily the unvarnished truth.
*** Regardlesss of his status one way or the other, he ''still'' relishes murdering people.
== The Queens and Kings are special. ==
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== The Reason Roxy uses troll lingo is... ==
She reads Homestuck through one of her many fenestrated walls.
* She might have met them while sleepwalking through the dream-bubbles.
** Original WMG Jossed.
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*** We don't know if that was UU, or just someone else typing at a terminal with her symbol.
**** Like, say, UU's exile.
*** Even if they are trolls, they may be based on the Olympian gods rather than the zodiac.
* Another leading theory is that UU is the descendant of the Trolls and Humans; for real this time unlike the fake out with Jake.
* UU is from a fan-created race that became canon along with all the fantrolls.
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== UU is not a cissexual. ==
Disregarding the Midnight Crew, Homestuck has thus far had an absolute gender equality among its player characters, but if UU is either male or female, the balance would be tipped. Now, while the screen name uranianUmbra most likely refers to the Green Sun's atomic rays, uranian is also an archaic term for a transsexual. Knowing this, it seems likely that she is somehow either both genders at once or neither.
* That logic actually doesn't apply; for a very long time, J was known to be a mysterious person but there was no indication his gender was fluid. Moreover, Uranian was a originally ''specific'' term for a MTF Transsexual, not just any sort of non-binary or non cissexual, and UU seemingly is happy to be identified as a female. In addition, no session can compose of a single player, so it's entirely possible Uranian is simply a reference that makes sense in the context of her own session (i.e. perhaps a celestial body theme, or what have you).
** Or you can simply chalk it up to UU lying outright and being a First Guardian, which don't really even have gender.
* Possibly Jossed. If UU isn't lying, her Sburb class is exclusive to female players. Then again, no one ever said that classes were limited to ''physiologically'' female players. It might count psychological gender for all we know.
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== UU is the pre-Scratch Signless / Sufferer ==
We know that the Signless was a originally a prophet of peace and equality before he was tortured to death, and we know that the troll's world before their own scratch was practically a utopia. uranianUmbra could be the young Signless from a kinder, gentler universe. Being "signless," UU would be free to pick his own symbol, and UU's caduceus is not far from one of the many signs proposed for Ophiuchus, a 13th astrological sign.
Perhaps the biggest barrier to UU being the Signless would be his gender -- except that "uranian" can mean transsexual. If the Signless was transgender, it might not be noteworthy to trollish history considering how irrelevant physical sex is to reproduction. Karkat has been teased before for watching "movies for girls," so there's at least a connection between Karkat and muddied gender roles.
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** There's no evidence there's more than 12 pre-Scratch trolls, as indeed that wouldn't make any sense, unless you're including the pre-Scratch ancestors that became the post-Scratch players.
* Possibly supported by her candy-red cufflink in the shape of half of the Sign of the Signless.
** But Jossed in that her horns don't match at all. And appearances don't change between Scratched sessions, just look at John and Poppop.
== UU is Feferi's ancestor, and trying to sabotage this session. ==
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First, she is so painfully cheerful and nice to everyone, just like a squiddle would be, which is stretching it a bit, actually this whole WMG is stretching a bit.
But she seems to be cheerful to be a troll, he symbol has also got two snakes intertwining, which is quite like a tangle buddy I guess. Also there was this line:
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Which, your supposed to think refers to the god tier children, but could actually refer to the god's of the outer ring the inspiration for the squiddles.
As well as this Umbral, the second part of her troll handle, means the darkest shadow, where no light could ever reach, once again an inclination that she might be tied in with the dark gods of the outer ring.
* She's confirmed to be a Troll.
== UU is Alternia's pre-Scratch First Guardian ==
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== UU is responsible for the failure of the Pre-Scratch Troll session ==
* WARNING EPILEPTICTREES AHEAD: In line with the theory that Complacency of the Learned has something to do with UU's true identity, UU is the thirteenth troll of the Pre-Scratch Troll session engaged in a game against Lord English with the goal being to beat him for good. While ensuring that the Alpha kids succeed in their session she actively attempts to sabotage her own session to create a situation that will force her fellow players to initiate the Scratch which would lead to the events of Homestuck as we know them. Since she is the leader of her session she would most likely use ectobiology to do this (possibly making her responsible for Karkat's mutation)or by killing them all (keeping in line with [[Cot L]]). As for why she is no longer present in the post-scratch troll session it could be that ectobiology shenanigans caused her to cease to exist or she was removed from play due to her actions hindering the success of the session (thus giving it a better chance to succeed).
** There were only 12 players in the Pre-Scratch session according to Doc and [[Word of God]].
*** Don't forget, though, that players != impact on session. Dad, Mom, Bro and Grandpa were all running around doing things. Bro even began the process of the Scratch. Grandpa somehow entered and escaped the session completely independent of how the kids even entered.
== UU cosplaying as a troll ==
The horns and keyboard are props and the gray skin is greasepaint. She's wearing Calmasis' jacket because she was influenced by Alpha-Rose's book, not the other way 'round. Her reveal is going to be such an epic [[Take That]] at the MSPA fandom that the thinner skinned will abandon it forever.
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== UU ''isn't'' cosplaying ==
The horns and gray skin are real. Combining the River Song reference and the possibility that UU really is an alien, [[Doctor Who|UU looks like a troll and trolls look like UU]], but they're different species.
* She seems to be a troll pretty completely! Going with Jossed since there's no evidence of a species that looks like trolls but aren't them?
== UU's 'brother' is Jake ==
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* He's a Derse dreamer and Jake's dreamself is dead.
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**** Un-Jossed (at least partially) by [S] Jade: Enter.
== [https://web.archive.org/web/20130922102850/http://homestuck.bandcamp.com/track/unite-synchronization Unite Synchronization] is not about the kids ==
It is the kids instruments but none of it really sound like any of their previous motifs. The reason why is simple, this is not a song of the kinds working together, it's a song of the post-scratch session
* Except the art for the song clearly depicts the Kids.
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== Alpha!Bro's name is Dell. ==
And he could act as an [[Team Fortress 2
* D. Strider does seem to be the most technologically proficient, having invented a near-AI auto-responder.
* Jossed (at least partially), it's Dirk.
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== The Alpha!Earth has evolved faster than Beta!Earth ==
If you take a look at the Jade's Island [http://images.wikia.com/mspaintadventures/images/f/f8/FrogTempleIsland.png before] and [http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006145 after] the Scratch, there are some differences. The forest hasn't grown as far across the island, the Frog Temple looks a bit less weathered and the volcano is still active. I'm not sure if this will have any plot relevance, but it's there. It's possible the year is even [[Arc Number|1431]].
The Condesce (or someone else) might've messed around with Earth the same way that Doc Scratch did with Alternia so that this happened.
* [http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006015 The year isn't 1431].
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* Bro: Tiny Maplehoof - pre entry; Auto Responder - post entry.
** Incidentally, this also leaves two open slots for [[Oh Crap|GCat]].
*** [[Oh, No, Not Again|Please, please no. :(]]
** It's not really as bad as it sounds. By the time the kids manage to beat Jack, they should have no problem with another opponent od his caliber.
** They might do the sane thing and prototype GCat post-entry. This would have the benefits of a First Guardian sidekick with none of the problems.
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And neither did the Trolls(at least the second time around). Based on going from Beta to Alpha, the next logical step would be "testing phase" or rather a stage where ''nobody'' gets to play. The top level is the "completed" universe they came from, where Earth, Alternia and other "real" planets live. Anyway, they are already getting a second chance, so if they mess up this time, why would they get a third? Obviously these 4 sessions are constrained by bugs, glitches and cancers, but the Beat Mesa is supposedly a standard feature of the game...
* '''Confirmed''' in principle, but '''Jossed''' in particulars via a mistaken assumption: the critical factor is a Hero of Time, not the Scratch mechanism. Aradia's mechanism was never seen, but that doesn't mean it does not exist. Moreover, the Alpha session is a very unusual and probably even unique session.
* I always thought that giant metronome thing was Aradia's "Beat Mesa". Keep in mind if a Metronome, it would be used to keep a "beat". Note that Aradia's time traveling orbitals are based on it, Dave's are based on Beat Mesa. It appears to be something that changes to match the player/session.
== Bro and Dave are in the airplane flying over the city. ==
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== The Alpha!Universe is actually a ''pre''-scratch universe ==
The guardians always did seem a little too prepared in the Beta!Session. We've seen Mom, Dad, and Bro fighting off monsters way above the kids' levels back in [https://web.archive.org/web/20130922010523/http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003568 Jack: Ascend], Bro training Dave since his youth, Mom accessing a secret lab containing Skaian technology, and Grandpa somehow getting into the game ''before it even started.'' For her part, Nannasprite [http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004698 also mentions] that she knew about their ectobiological origins for ''years.'' Finally, consider Doc Scratch's [http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005953 exposition] of pre-scratch Alternia, how the players had not been spawned in their session, which seems to be the case on Alpha!Earth. Ultimately, it's the Alpha!Session which scratches into the Beta!Universe, not the other way around, and the Beta!Universe scratches into a yet-unseen Gamma!Universe.
* We outright saw the Kids cause the Scratch; if this theory is true then it's an infinite loop which is unlikely as hell.
** It's already been established that the entire setting is a [[Timey-Wimey Ball]], not to mention that Andrew has tossed [[Red Herring|RedHerrings]] at the audience before, so why exactly would it be outside the realm of possibility?
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*** The problem is that the Alpha Session from the point of view of the Beta Session takes place in the future, and the idea that people could remember from the future is kinda silly, even considering weird time shit already taking place, so the more natural conclusion is the loop, thus the third iteration. The entire mythology of the Alpha and Beta sessions have been geared towards one following the other, so there's no indication of this unknown Gamma session. Besides, Alpha and Beta apply to basically the version of Sburb, and game testing typically never enters a Gamma testing phase (the term usually used is Open Beta).
**** Not sure what point you're trying to make when you've already jossed the theory with the Beat Mesa issue, but okay... What "future" are you talking about? The theory assumed the Alpha session came ''first'', and the Alpha!Guardians (save Dad, who doesn't count anyway) are all older than their Beta counterparts. Remembering the future is not an issue for the theory. Thus, the loop issue is a hasty assumption more than anything else. As far as calling it a "Gamma" version, I got that off the [[Obvious Beta]] page, which indeed labels the late testing phase as either "Open Beta" or "Gamma," so moot point.
**** Replay / rewatch "[S] Seer: Descend". It makes it pretty apparent that the Alpha Session follows the Beta Session. As for the loop; well that was a mistake I got from skimming and then didn't have the pride to reread things completely until just now.
== If Doc Scratch exists in the Alpha Session, he will take on a different form. ==
The Doc Scratch in Alternia was created from the combination of a cue ball and a clown puppet (Lil Cal), as well as the "honk HONK" code (among other codes). The First Guardian of the pre-scratch Earth was created using the MEOW code, which may very well come back into play here. If the pattern holds, Earth's version of Doc Scratch may very well be a giant cat with a cueball for a head, as well as yet another "clever" pun.
* It's stated in-comic that all FGs are created using the same code. Rose and the trolls just wrote it using different letters.
* Tentatively [[Jossed]]. The God Cat doesn't have a cueball for a head and seems more like Bec in spirit than Scratch. GCat is a clever pun, though.
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Look at Alternia, which went from being a loving, peaceful planet to, well... Alternia. Also, there are a few possible hints already; Jane, a 15 year-old girl, is not allowed to leave her own house? And is the heir to the empire run by a woman hinted to be either an [[Eldritch Abomination]] or a [[Rubber Forehead Alien]] [[God Save Us From the Queen|Empress]] bent on conquering the universe. She also mentions "dealing with the low income bucolic classes," implying a possible strong caste system similar to that of the trolls. Meanwhile, [[Adventure Archaeologist]] Jake English would "give your RIGHT LEG for a shot at desecrating THE SH*T out of some real life MYSTIC RUINS" (not too strange for a 15-year-old boy, but still noteworthy) as well as keeps guns around in piles and apparently deals with "FRIGHTENING FAUNA" on a semi-normal basis.
* Jane was being overly poetic to refer to the fact that she's a bit of a rich snob. Also Jake lives completely alone; Jade had uranium all over the place which is arguably even more dangerous.
* Betty Crocker advertisements have [[Subliminal Seduction|subliminal messages]] straight out of [[They Live!]]. This isn't a [[Crap Saccharine World]], this is a [[Villain World]].
* Also, the Mars Colony poster shows the [[The Mothership|Imperial Condesce's flagship]] in the sky above Mars.
** '''Jossed''': Pretty much everything we've seen so far shows that it may be a bit more crazy, but it's more or less the same. While propaganda is spewed by most of Crockercorp, who holds enough leverage to get Guy Fieri appointed Chief Justice, Strider and Lalonde's reactions show that most people are [[Genre Savvy]] enough to pick up that it is [[Obviously Evil]].
*** We don't know at all what the general public thinks. All of the kids are poor examples of the average Joe, and it's pretty clear that Crockercorp controls the media.
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== Alpha!Dave remembers the Beta Universe. ==
Just like The Signless in the Troll session. Which is why [[Insane Troll Logic|he didn't get a montage in the Cascade video.]]
* ...He was in every scene with Rose in it, [[Completely Missing the Point|I think that counts as a montage.]]
** I think that's referring to the scenes seen through the fenstrated wall, as mentioned above, but it's more likely a coincidence.
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*** Snowman is a very special exception. Besides, she and her brother both have alien blood colors and haven't demonstrated ''any'' of the properties Snowman did, so it's safe to say they do genuinely have alien blood colors as they're trolls. At any rate, '''Jossed''' for another reason; Exile hands do not look like UU's. They either have 5 distinct fingers or claws.
== The heroes of Time and Space who enter the Alpha Session will be Aradia and Kanaya. ==
This is based on very little evidence, but, hey, it says 'Wild Mass Guessing' at the top of the page. Possible evidence:
* The fates of the kids are often deliberate reversals of their ancestors' fates (Mindfang kills Redglare, Dualscar kills the Dolorosa, Summoner fated to kill Mindfang, etc). Given that the Handmaid was apparently destined to be killed by the Condesce, and given how strongly it's been implied that Crocker is either the Condesce or is thematically linked to her, it'd be appropriate for Aradia to face off against her in the new universe.
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* An obvious objection is that UU refers to the 'legendary octet of mutual progenitoriety'. One possible way around this might be that the trolls created the original Beta Session, which makes them 'progenitors' of the original kids and, by extension, the Alpha kids too. Admittedly, it seems likely that this is over thinking things, but you can never be quite sure with Homestuck.
** "Mutual Progenitoriety" as in the eight that allowed for alpha session to happen? Well there are a number of ways that the four kids fit that definition as for the trolls. Karkat and Kanaya made the kids flawed universe, Gamzee ended up making the flaw but then who Aradia or Terezi have either of them influnced the creation of the alpha universe?
*** Mutual progenitoreity refers to how the Beta kids and the Alpha crew are respectively the each other's ectobiological parents.
**** And thus, presumably Dave and Jade will be the new session's Time and Space heroes.
* Jossed as Aradia stays at the Green Sun.
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== The assassination attempts were made to prevent Jane from playing Sburb. ==
Someone knew what was going on, apparently; if Jane played Sburb, then it would cause a chain of linking her other friends up to the game, therefore, in that person's mind, causing the meteors to come and destroy the Earth. To protect themselves and anyone else, they brought it upon themselves to kill her before she starts up the game; no Jane, no meteors, no Earth pieces floating around space. Simple as that.
* Jossed actually. The Condesce needed Jane to enter in order to bring her warship through to Earth.
== The reason why Jane's survived so many assassination attempts thus far... ==
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== In the new session, a cancer troll doesn't exist. ==
There isn't a troll that corresponds with the cancer symbol (except maybe UU? but she's more of a replacement, or probably the Disciple) in the new session, because the Sufferer/Karkat and his blood color was an anomaly and was never meant to be, so the game just removed him, or the "cancer" of the broken session. The Alpha Trolls are decked out in Sufferer symbols because they found the Beta session, maybe the kids send out a message, and were completely fascinated, like how Kanaya was when she found Rose's walkthrough.
* UU's session doesn't correspond to both known Troll sessions at all.
** UU and uu are both not based on cancer, so Jossed.
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* Continuing on this, nobody enters the regular way. Roxy enters through the void, Dirk just sits around with one self entered and one self on Earth, and I can't come up with anything for Jake. Something Lord Englishy? If there aren't any lands in the Alpha Session because Jade is bringing the Beta sessions', this would resolve none of them being able to enter on their lands.
** None of them have entered yet. Roxy has gone into it and come back out, but entry specifically means doing something with a Cruxite item. Dreamselves especially don't count as entry, as awakening a dreamself prior to entry is fairly common. According to the Frog Temples as well, they all have lands.
* I wasn't saying that Roxy officially entered yet, I was saying that if she was unable to enter the Cruxite item way, she could just float in through the void.
* Confirmed / Jossed, depending on what you define as "normal." Jane entered when her timer ran out. She did not do a pre-entry prototyping nor interact with her prototyping item to enter. No meteor impacted her site when the clock ran down (though the Battleship Condescension reentered over her house). However, she did enter by following the normal steps using the pre-punched card, so...
** The Title of the WMG was confirmed but ''everything else'' about it is Jossed.
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== Roxy, Dirk, and maybe Jake were sent to the future. ==
We know that Jake has to be in the present because we've seen him run around his island before it was submerged. While it's possible to sendificate, transportalize, and appearify across time and universes as well as space, the blurring glow as Dirk and Roxy exit to the surface may have indicates a time travel effect.
* [[Jossing]] my own entry here. [https://web.archive.org/web/20130312063511/http://mspandrew.tumblr.com/post/18973262678/s-jane-enter Hussie has said on tumblr] that Dirk and Roxy were living in the future all along.
== There are 12 "Anti-Trolls", and uranianUmbra is one of them. ==
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