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A close cousin to [[My God, What Have I Done?]], this version tends to happen mostly to [[Villain Protagonist|Villain Protagonists]]s, [[Anti-Villain|Anti Villains]], [[Fallen Hero|Fallen Heroes]]es and sometimes [[Anti-Hero|Anti Heroes]]. Whereas [[My God, What Have I Done?]] tends to make a difference in a character's behavior and personality, the [['''Ignored Epiphany]]''' has a moment where the Villain or gray character has a moment of [[Heel Realization|clarity or revelation about themselves and their actions,]] seeing it in perspective for perhaps the first time and realizing exactly how useless and off base their various self-delusions and justifications were. It's often a low moment for these characters, and may provoke sympathy from the audience. The character may acknowledge it various ways, with a sigh, a bitter laugh, muttering "[[What Have I Become?]]" or possibly saying to someone or themselves "I've really messed this one up". A common variant is a character starting to so say "[[My God, What Have I Done?]]'', stopping halfway through, then blaming the whole thing on some other person or outside force.
 
And then... there's nothing. No [[Heel Face Turn]], no [[Redemption Equals Death|last minute redemption]] or even an ''attempt'' to [[Must Make Amends|undo the harm they've wrought]]. Nor is there any mental trauma equivalent to a [[Villainous BSOD]] or [[Villainous Breakdown|mental breakdown]]. [[Redemption Rejection|Just... nothing.]]
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* Paul from ''[[Pokémon (anime)|Pokémon]]'' has done this one time, when he battled Cynthia and got royally [[Curb Stomp Battle|curb-stomped]], she told him he needed to treat his Pokémon with love and respect, which he scoffed at.
* [[Yu-Gi-Oh! GX]] {{spoiler|Jaden}} as the Supreme King believes that he killed Jim, one of his newer friends, in a heated duel. Then he casually turns to Axel and asks "So are you next?".
* Neo Roanoke in ''[[Gundam Seed Destiny]]'' is fully aware that he's a monster, and that what he does--[[Brainwashed and Crazy|brainwashing]] [[Tyke Bomb|Tykebombs]] into serving as [[Sociopathic Soldier|Sociopathic Soldiers]]--iss—is beyond the pale. Yet he never does anything about it, and continues on his way despite his doubts, convinced that it is too late to turn back now. It's only with the revelation that {{spoiler|he too has been brainwashed}} that he turns around.
 
 
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* In ''[[The Bad and The Beautiful]]'', we first meet Jonathan Shields at the funeral for his father, a former Hollywood big shot who died penniless after his studio went bust. Despite the fact that literally everyone at the funeral except himself was paid to be there and pretend to be mourning, Jonathan takes nothing away from the fate of the man he calls "the king of the heels," except that he'll have to work extra hard to ram the Shields name down the throats of everyone who didn't pay him in the proper respect. He then spends the rest of the movie being a bigger bastard than his dad ever was.
* In ''[[Young Adult (film)|Young Adult]]'', Mavis Gary has to deal with the fact her high school boyfriend's actually happy with his wife and newborn daughter, and she herself has been behaving in an increasingly immature fashion; {{spoiler|but just as Mavis says "I need to change", she learns a *very* minor character still considers her a winner, and her narcissism is once again fed.}}
* In ''[[The Godfather]] Part II'', when Michael returns from Cuba to be told that his wife had a miscarriage while he was gone, he starts to think about what's happened to his immediate family since he became don and talks to his mother about it, asking whether it's possible to be so focused on the idea of protecting your family that in the meantime, you lose them -- basicallythem—basically spelling out the entire main theme of the three films. But his mother tells him that "you can never lose your family," and he's reassured that he's doing the right thing. {{spoiler|Later in his confrontation with Kay, he tells her he knows they've been growing apart and that she blames him for the miscarriage, but they'll get past it: [[Wrong Genre Savvy|"I've learned that I have the strength to change."]] She tells him how blind he is; that it wasn't a miscarriage but an abortion, because she wouldn't bring another child of his into the world, which enrages him so much he forgets any idea of repairing the damage he's done.}}
 
 
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** After his escape from prison, Soth returns to his Tower, where the rest of the Knights [[The Siege|besiege him]]. As this drags on longer, Soth becomes more corrupt and starts falling further and further from the hero he used to be. At one point, after an argument with his wife, he hits her. [[Rage Against the Reflection|Looking at himself in the mirror afterwards]], Soth realizes just how far he's fallen, goes back, begs forgiveness of his wife and the gods, and gets a divine vision of a [[Redemption Quest]]: to stop the Kingpriest from inadvertently causing the Cataclysm. Soth charges off on his quest... until he runs into a group that accuse his wife of being unfaithful, and Soth promptly charges right back, allowing [[The End of the World as We Know It]] so he can confront her about this.
*** Lastly, a more arguable case: after wandering into the magic border of [[Ravenloft]], the Demiplane of Dread, Soth is presented with a vision of himself and what might have been if he had fulfilled [[The Quest]] above: himself with his honor restored, his dead wife by his side, and the son she was pregnant with there with him. Soth is told that if he merely repents and asks forgiveness from the good gods this might come true. Soth hesitates for a time, but his pride prevents him from doing so, and he instead fights the other version of himself, and kills his son when the son tries to interfere. An arguable case because we don't know what Soth was thinking while he hesitated, (the chapter is told through the point of view of another character), and there's a good chance it was a cruel joke on the part of the dark forces that control the demiplane.
* ''[[The Scarlet Letter]]''-- in—in the middle, Roger [[Meaningful Name|Chillingworth]] realizes that his desire for revenge against Rev. Dimmesdale for cuckolding him has turned him into "A fiend!" Hawthorne's narration says that this sort of moral clarity sometimes only occurs to people once in many years. However, Chillingworth's long since lost any purpose in life other than revenge, and so continues down the path.
* In ''The Case of Sergeant Grisha'', Major General Schieffenzahn is briefly convinced to rescind the order for Grisha's execution (and has a [[What Have I Become?]] moment too); but a snowstorm prevents him making a phone call, and by the time communication is restored, he's abandoned his forgiving whim.
* Edward ''knows'' that stalking Bella in ''[[Twilight (novel)|Midnight Sun]]'' is wrong and he even points it out to himself; he just doesn't care. For that matter, Bella tells herself dozens of times throughout all of the books that Edward is dangerous, Jacob is dangerous, she's in danger, she shouldn't be with Edward, etc. She never pays these revelations much mind, and goes right back to ogling Edward right after.
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* [[Darth Bane]] has one when he realizes that he inadvertently killed his own father by unknowingly tapping into the Dark Side of the Force. His shock and guilt are strong enough to sever his connection to [[The Force]], and he realizes that the Dark Side will ultimately destroy him. Unfortunately for everyone in the galaxy (especially himself), his desire for power overcomes this brief moment of remorse.
* In L. Jagi Lamplighter's ''[[Prospero's Daughter|Prospero Regained]]'', Eramus has repeated moments of this after some revelations. He gets called on it, frequently.
* ''Sisterhood'' series by [[Fern Michaels]]: Roland Sullivan from ''Lethal Justice'' is the personification of this trope! He started out as a relatively decent guy and family man. Then Arden Gillespie entered into the picture. He became addicted to her, and engaged in [[Your Cheating Heart]]. He helped Arden suck up all the money belonging to an elderly couple, causing this couple to be [[Driven to Suicide]]. Then, to cover up their crime, they frame Sara Whittier (AKA Alexis Thorne), their own employee for it! Sara is found guilty and imprisoned for a year. It is only when they framed Sara that Roland had a [[Heel Realization]]. He made no attempt to make it right. He lost sleep over it, forced Arden to set up some pictures of Sara in their offices (as a reminder of how low they sunk), and tried to spend more time with his family. He and Arden practically blackmail each other. He actually wants to find Sara to apologize to her...and use [[Buy Them Off]] on her. He still uses his ill-gotten gain to live the high life. He still cheats on his wife with Arden. Sure, his internal monologues claim that he has no willpower, but it seems that he just uses that to excuse his behaviour. His wife finds out that he cheated on her, throws him out and makes moves to divorce him. He actually tried to claim that he did all this for his wife and brags that he'll bring in lots of money and they'll all live the high life, but she rejects this, and points out that she never wanted to live any high life. She makes it clear that she knows that he and Arden framed Sara and urges him to do the right thing. He just blows that off. Later, he says to Arden, "I just realized something. You don't have a conscience, do you?" Arden simply retorts that it is too late to worry about something like a conscience. Roland is clearly a [[Horrible Judge of Character]] if he only made this realization at this late date. He makes no attempt to do the right thing or break away from her. He gets involved in another money-stealing scheme with Arden. Sure, he tried to refuse, but he still went and got involved. By the end, he gives off the attitude of a man who wants to get caught and punished. The fact that he has multiple instances of [[Ignored Epiphany]] just makes him very unsympathetic.
 
 
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*** Not so: in Season 2, Angel abandoned his friends, believing that he could defeat Wolfram & Hart alone. In Season 5, it seems he's gone off the deep end again...but he does tell his friends the plan during the second-to-last episode, revealing that he had to keep everything a secret because the Circle of the Black Thorn has been watching his every move. So he did learn his lesson, but had to ignore it at the time until the very last episode [[Crowning Moment of Awesome|when he had everyone go out and kill the Circle and cripple Wolfram & Hart]].
* Brutus, sort of, on ''[[Rome]]''. In late season one he feels only betrayed by Caesar and gives in to his mother, going along with the plot to kill the dictator. He goes through with it, but then Antony comes in and they share a look where Brutus' guilt is written all over his face. He then cries out in agony over what he's done. However he seems to get over it rather fast, and stays allied to Cassius to the very end.
** This is a common issue in works based on [[Real Life]]. Authors and audiences want to see deep moral conflicts in the characters, and see them doubting or guilty over the things we feel they should be doubting or guilty over. Of course, the problem is that the real characters may not have felt that at all -- soall—so we get fictionalized versions that show great doubts and agonizing self-evaluation in private, then instantly go back to behaving like it never happened when the story continues to follow reality.
* In a classic ''[[Saturday Night Live]]'' sketch, after a series of superstitious medieval trials, Steve Martin goes on a monologue laying out a better way to determine guilt, describing a modern American jury trial. He then immediately discards the idea.
** This "Nah!!" bit was a [[Running Gag]] on SNL in the early years, especially for Martin. See ''Theordric of York, medieval barber-surgeon" for another example.
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* Actor/comedian [[Denis Leary]] gives us the first page quote from his song ''[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=no6-vsHgHJg Asshole]'', a satire and skewering of the American middle class. Throughout the song its main character talks about how, despite all the things he has, his true joys come from a near endless series of [[Evil Is Petty|petty cruelties]] he inflicts on the people around him and general self-centered douchebag behavior. Around the middle of the song he considers the idea that [[Heel Realization|maybe this truly is wrong]], but, as seen in the quote, his response is "Nah!"
* Voltaire's "When You're Evil". After a long gleeful litany of varying acts of nastiness and reveling in his Evil cred ("''The Devil tips his hat to me''") , the narrator appears to waver and mournfully, (albeit selfishly) sings "''It gets so lonely being evil...''" but then snaps right back, and furthermore claims that his moment of weakness was just a lie to mess with your head. Played rather well in [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjEvCXk_bx4 this] ''[[Labyrinth]]'' fanvid.
* [http://http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=IJX0GYGn0vU Alestorm - Pirate Song]
{{quote|''And for what?''
''I've killed and I've shot''
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== [[Tabletop Games]] ==
* This is what happens to a Dark Elf in ''[[Burning Wheel]]'' when they've almost, but not quite, maxed out [[Karma Meter|Spite]]. (Maxing Spite [[Driven to Suicide|is a bad idea]].)
* In ''[[Warhammer 40000]]'', this is the [[Planet of Hats|hat]] of the Dark Eldar -- theyEldar—they deliberately continue the nightmarishly hedonistic ways that brought their civilzation to ruin, {{spoiler|primarily because they'll be utterly destroyed if they don't.}}
 
 
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== Webcomics ==
* Happened once or twice to Black Mage of ''[[8-Bit Theater|Eight Bit Theater]]''. Then Fighter started talking and it all went stabways.
** In fact, BM is probably past the point where epiphanies have any chance of changing him -- becausehim—because at least once, he ''saw one coming'' and took measures to "protect" himself from it.
** In a [[Dangerously Genre Savvy]] moment, Black Mage {{spoiler|subverted this all to hell by faking an Epiphany after accidentally wounding White Mage, [http://www.nuklearpower.com/2009/05/12/episode-1127-invincible-sword-technique which made Fighter drop his guard and turn his back on Black Mage], a major mistake}}.
* Parodied in [[No Need for Bushido]] when Ken threatened to have a moral epiphany and stop mugging strangers if the rest of the group doesn't help him perform a play for his favorite Kabuki actor. Since this is the only source of income for the group, Ina quickly agrees, only for Ken to immediately tell her he never planned on going through with his threat in the first place.
* [[The Dragon|Redcloak]] of ''[[The Order of the Stick|Order of the Stick]]'' has a moment like this in ''[[Start of Darkness]]'' when he has the opportunity to {{spoiler|help his brother kill [[Big Bad|Xykon]]}}. What he does instead becomes the subject of an awesome [[Hannibal Lecture]] from Xykon that effectively defines Redcloak's character for the entire story to date.
** There's also [[Heroic Sociopath|Belkar]], whom Vaarsuvius uses Owl's Wisdom on to grant him the ability to use healing scrolls. That wisdom gives Belkar the chance to reflect upon the good he could do by devoting his life to healing instead of killing, then Vaarsuvius dismisses the spell, with Belkar reverting to his old self.
** Later on, a {{spoiler|half-dead}} Belkar has a genuine epiphany, as he realizes that being a blatant murderer and psychopath is eventually going to get him killed by one of the genuinely-good guys. This does not convince him to turn away from evil, however -- hehowever—he just realizes {{spoiler|that he has to learn how to ''fake'' being on the same side as the rest of the team. And it works.}}
*** Of course, {{spoiler|the leaders of his genuinely good-guy group see through it immediately, but play along as it means that the little psycho would be easier to control for the [[Your Days Are Numbered|remaining months of his life]]}}.
* Played with in just the ''second'' strip of [[Chopping Block]].
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* John Cheese on ''[[Cracked.com]]'' recounts in [http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-questions-you-need-to-ask-to-avoid-ruining-your-life_p2/ 5 Questions You Need to Ask to Avoid Ruining Your Life] how he was asked to be best man at his friend's wedding where they wouldn't have alcohol, and began to grow anxious and irritable because of not being able to drink. Eventually he cut his toast short and made up an excuse to leave early so he could drink. He realized that he was actually afraid of going without alcohol.
{{quote|This realization is what motivated me to, uh, completely forget about it and continue drinking for about eight more years.}}
* Even though [[The Nostalgia Critic]] has a barrel-ton of [[Guilty Pleasure|Guilty Pleasures]]s himself, when it comes to a movie he sees no good in (like the [[Jim Carrey]] remake of ''[[The Grinch]]''), he never fully comprehends how others can like it. In the specific case of the Grinch movie, at the end of his review he contemplates taking a more tolerant, open handed view and saying that if people take pleasure in it or see something in it that he doesn't, then maybe that's what counts... then essentially says "Nah, I'm right, they're wrong!"
 
 
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