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Perhaps the [[Ensemble Darkhorse|popular]] [[Anti-Hero]] was [[Left for Dead]] in a [[Heroic Sacrifice]] [[No One Could Survive That|that no one could survive]], but since they [[Never Found the Body]], and he already had a penchant for [[Faking the Dead]], their survival [[Sorting Algorithm of Deadness|isn't so far fetched.]]
 
Basically, any time an author leaves the door ajar on a character's death to [[First Law of Resurrection|later bring them back]] [[Staying Alive|plausibly]] if [[SchrodingerSchrödinger's Gun|the plot requires it]]. May be due to ~[[He's Just Hiding~]], [[Epileptic Trees]], [[Fridge Logic]], or even [[Word of God]].
 
See also the [[Wild Mass Guessing]] [[Sorting Algorithm of Deadness/WMG|Sorting Algorithm of Deadness]] for the odds of some characters returning.
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== Anime and Manga ==
* Protagonist of ''[[Witchblade (Animeanime)|Witchblade]]'' Masane Amaha supposedly died in the ending in such a way that even [[Nigh Invulnerability|nigh indestructible]] (it ''caused'' {{spoiler|The Tokyo Fireball}} once, with itself in the center) Witchblade itself wasn't left behind. However, due to the fact that this disagrees with the comic book canon (which the anime is part of), her death is called into severe question. It only get worse when you realize the ending contains equals parts [[Cliff Hanger]] and [[Never Found the Body]].
* {{spoiler|Lelouch}} from ''[[Code Geass]]''. Immortality does exist in universe, and he had time to plan for what eventually happened to him, so it is possible. [[Word of God]] came and denied it, although [[Lying Creator|this particular God]] has lied about who's dead before...
** Actually, [[Alternate Ending]] proves [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Sc1cSx7iWo it was the original plan]. Then the ending was edited to ''ambiguous'', and [[Word of God]] nailed the coffin. It's also probably the only way Nunnally's memory flash makes sense (hypothesis explained [http://www.bfmracing.net/forums/index.php?topic=32410.0 here]).
* ''[[One Piece]]'': Zoro's childhood Kuina was supposed to have died (and in the manga, we see the body), and now we have [[Identical Stranger]] Tashigi. This trope wouldn't come up if it weren't for how ''One Piece'' is a [[World of Ham]] where {{spoiler|women can hold babies in their bodies for 20 months}}, states again and again that [[Power of Friendship|true friendship never ends]], and that Zoro working on their promise alone [[Broken Aesop|isn't thematically consistent with "No one is alone at sea."]] Though, [[Word of God]] has shot down that Tashigi and Kuina are the same person/even remotely related to one another and that it's just complete coincidence. Still, in the world of [[One Piece]], anything can happen.
* Grimmjow from ''[[Bleach]]''. [[Word of God]] has not confirmed that he is dead, and the [[Estrogen Brigade]] refuse to believe so either, but many accept that as he's been [[Put Onon a Bus|out of the picture so long]], he's not coming back. He ''was'' alive the last time we saw him, if only barely, and knowing Kubo Tite's policy of effectively killing characters several times over and ''still'' keeping them alive, it's definitely possible.
** This trope applies to a LOT of ''[[Bleach]]'' characters. Szayel (although admittedly, he wishes that wasn't the case), Afrocar, {{spoiler|Hiyori (thank you [[Reality Warper|reality warpers!]]), and Hinamori (she was still talking, I'm not in denial!)}}.
** Similarly, {{spoiler|Harribel}} was taken out with a stab through the shoulder and a slash to the stomach. No offense to her attacker, but we've seen it takes '''''a lot''''' more than that to kill Arrancar significantly lower on the totem pole.
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** Harribel has been confirmed to survive, no real word on Grimmjow though one way or the other.
* 4Kids loves applying this trope in their dubs, even when in the original Japanese version it is blatantly obvious that the character died.
* Not that other companies are immune from this. [[FUNimation]], for example, adamantly refused to admit that anyone in ''[[Dragonball Z]]'' actually died, or if they did they were merely [[Never Say "Die"|"in another dimension"]] (which became a wide-spread [[Unusual Euphemism]]). The best example is in a relatively early episode in which Vegeta and Nappa arrive on Earth in the middle of a city, surrounded by curious people. Nappa makes a gesture and instantly vaporises an enormous portion of the city, forming an suitably wide crater, then mentions that everyone evacuated. In milliseconds. Right.
* Despite how most chose to [[Kill Them All|interpret]] the ''[[Neon Genesis Evangelion|End Of Evangelion]]'' {{spoiler|ends with this, as narration make clear anyone can regain their individuality if they want to}}.
* The fate of {{spoiler|Chrono}} in the epilogue of ''[[Chrono Crusade]]''. {{spoiler|He is shown to have survived the final battle with Aion, but was last seen seven years later at Rosette's death. His survival to the last point of the epilogue, sixty seven years later, is not proven. Still, ''somebody'' had to be leaving those flowers on Rosette's grave every year without ever being seen...}}
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* Example from [[The DCU]]: Due to the ludicrous event regarding [[Women in Refrigerators|her death,]] and since she was simply left for dead in a hospital, this is what some like to think happened to Dr. Light.
** ...and lo and behold, a couple years later, an arc of ''[[Justice League of America]]'' confirmed that she survived.
* Jean Grey has a tendency to die a lot in all kinds of adaptions. Of course, anyone familiar with the original ''[[X -Men]]'' setting knows that she is, in fact, Phoenix, and has made a career out of coming back from the dead. Thus, when she pulled a [[Heroic Sacrifice]] at the end of the second ''X-Men'' movie, everybody knew she'd be comming back for the third (and she did)... her death in the ''[[Marvel 1602]]'' timeline is also unlikely to have stuck.
** Apparently the characters in ''X-Men'' are pretty [[Genre Savvy]], since her tombstone reads: Jean Grey-Summers: She Will Rise Again.
** It's gotten to the point where they're barely phased at all by dying anymore. One of Cyclops's plans began with "Step 1: Die. Step 2: Come back to life," and works flawlessly. Another character remarked that Mutant Heaven doesn't have pearly gates, but a revolving door.
* Used in character by Siryn in ''[[X-Factor (Comic Bookcomics)|X-Factor]].'' She refuses to believe her father is dead because X-Men come back from the dead all the time. This is partially treated as unhealthy denial but otherwise seems a logical enough assumption to make.
* Corsair was one of the victims of the "Rise and Fall of the Shi'ar Empire" arc, but unlike the various people who suffer deaths that are ''far'' more gruesome than X-Men's normal (though not to [[Gorn]] levels) his corpse was very non-brutalized. He was then buried on a habitable but uninhabited planet. ''Hmm.''
 
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** Shaak Ti is in the same situation. Her established history of cheating death (her death was intended to happen 2 or 3 times previously to this) doesn't hurt either.
** [[Star Wars Expanded Universe|K'kruhk]] is even worse. He later [[Lampshade Hanging|lampshades]] it:
{{quote| '''Cade Skywalker:''' ''"K'Kruhk! But... I thought you are dead!"''<br />
'''K'kruhk:''' ''"I died so many times before... [[Healing Factor|at least]] [[Or So I Heard|that's what I heard]]."'' }}
* Spock's death in ''[[Star Trek]] II'' was made non-permanent by a tiny little mind-meld with an unconscious McCoy.
** {{spoiler|Data's}} death in ''[[Star Trek]] Nemesis'' was given an out by {{spoiler|dumping all of Data's memories into B-4}}.
* {{spoiler|Storm Shadow's}} death in ''[[G.I. Joe: theThe Rise of Cobra]]'', lampshaded by the director in the DVD commentary.
 
 
== Literature ==
* Powerful magicians in the [[Riftwar Cycle]] tend to find new ways to either survive death as essences of the original, or simply revive straight-out. Though this is often used to bring back a popular character after he or she died in the last series, it also serves, at times, to reinforce the permanence of death for non-magical characters.
* {{spoiler|Sandor Clegane}} in ''[[A Song of Ice and Fire]]''. He is explicitly stated in ''A Feast for Crows'' to be dead and buried by the priest who found him dying. Clues within the chapter in question suggest otherwise to such an extent that his survival is widely accepted among readers.
** {{spoiler|Gregor Clegane}} may count as well, for varying values of "alive."
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* A couple of characters who vanished during a particularly bloody book in the ''[[New Jedi Order]]'' survived to be the maimed semi- and actual antagonists in the [[Dark Nest Trilogy]].
* Also a few characters in the [[X Wing Series|X-Wing series]], most notably {{spoiler|Lara}}.
* Fans had strong suspicions that {{spoiler|Hollyleaf}} in ''[[Warrior Cats (Literature)|Warrior Cats]]'' surivived because of the way her "death" was presented - we "see" it from the POV of a blind character who merely hears rocks caving in and automatically assumes that [[No One Could Have Survived That]] without even trying to dig her out. [[Never Say "Die"|The characters keep using the word "lost" instead of "died".]] When the other characters finally realize that she might still be alive since they [[Never Found the Body]], they finally dig through the rubble... and find nothing, so they know she must be out there somewhere. {{spoiler|She does return later that book.}}
 
 
== Tabletop Games ==
* Goddess [http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Eilistraee Eilistraee] in ''[[Forgotten Realms]]'', killed along with [http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Qilue_Veladorn Qilué Veladorn] whom she possessed. Even "lesser" powers like her may run multiple avatars. But then, possession ain't the same as avatar, so it would be stretched, but not too much -- ifmuch—if not the circumstances of ''Qilué's own birth''. Elué Silverhand was killed while possessed by Mystra, whom this accident neither deterred from acting immediately to save unborn Qilué, nor even lowered in [[Divine Ranks]]. This played out in 5th ed D&D and the Second Sundering, which saw Eilistraee's return to life, and in Ed Greenwood's own [https://web.archive.org/web/20170828103504/http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19841&whichpage=22#476639 explanation of what happened].
* Anyone and everyone in ''[[Warhammer 4000040,000]]''. No, seriously, ''everyone''. This is a setting where [[Unreliable Narrator|Unreliable Narrators]]s are endemic (making it somewhat difficult to determine if they actually died in the first place), where the [[Sufficiently Advanced]] technology allows individuals to live as long as they damn well please, where the nature of [[Hyperspace Is a Scary Place|the Warp]] can make death a minor inconvenience, and where this has repeatedly occured before, characters dead as disco appearing later no worse for wear.
** [[Word of God]] has stated that characters will not be killed off as they were before, as not only does it upset the [[Status Quo Is God|state that the storyline has settled into]] and also make it a pain to knit together planned story arcs, people do genuinely get attached to characters and don't want to have them consigned to "historical battles". [[Crack is Cheaper|Oh, and it's silly to kill off characters you still make models for]].
 
 
== Live Action TV ==
* Almost any character on ''[[Lost]],'' but particularly Jin.
** There was a lot of speculation that {{spoiler|Juliet}} was still alive since {{spoiler|Desmond}} survived {{spoiler|an electromagnetic explosion}} in season 2. Leading many to believe {{spoiler|Juliet}} would just wake up in the jungle like he did.
* ''[[Doctor Who (TV)|Doctor Who]]'' has done this sort of thing a lot, most particularly with the popular reccuring villains The Master, Davros, and the Daleks.
* The Cigarette Smoking Man from ''[[The X -Files]]'' is another example.
* At this point, who still expects Daniel Jackson to stay dead in ''[[Stargate SG-1]]''? Not the characters, certainly. At one point, after Daniel's last known location was a replicator ship that they're ''certain'' exploded in space (and the audience sees him get stabbed in the chest for good measure), General O'Neill refuses to hold even a memorial service because he's [[Genre Savvy|expecting Jackson to pop into his office by the end of the day]].
* Not a literal example of there being a character's death, but Ronnie Gardocki's final fate in ''[[The Shield]]'''s series finale (betrayed by Vic and arrested/made into the Judas Goat for the Strike Team's crimes and being sent to prison, where death is the LEAST horrifying thing that could happen to him) had a built-in inferred survival escape clause, since Ronnie was aware of a TON of crimes that Vic Mackey OMITTED from his immunity deal with the Feds, which the Feds outright tell Vic that they would love to void in a heartbeat if they find out that he omitted ANYTHING from it.
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* For a while, there was no solid proof that [[Kingdom Hearts|Zexion]] was dead, leading many fans to believe he was alive. Unfortunately, when they remade the game he died in, they removed the fade-to-black over his death scene. He's definitely dead now.
** In fact, given the nature of his death ({{spoiler|having his lifeforce absorbed by the Riku Replica, who then died in battle with the real Riku}}), it's possible that he's the only member of the group who's [[Deader Than Dead]]. The jury's still out on this one though.
* A weird inversion of [[Never Found the Body]] has lead many to believe that {{spoiler|Minamimoto}} from ''[[The World Ends With You (Video Game)|The World Ends With You]]'' survived. The things is that Reapers normally ''don't'' leave bodies, but they found {{spoiler|his}}.
* In ''[[Advance Wars]]: Dual Strike'', the deaths of {{spoiler|[[Big Bad|Von Bolt]] and [[Taking You Withwith Me|Hawke]]}} do this. It's certainly implied enough that {{spoiler|Hawke}} survived, but {{spoiler|Von Bolt}}'s survival is ambiguous.
 
 
 
== Web Comics ==
* ''[[Schlock Mercenary]]'' had the Toughs' former medic Dr. Todd ("Lazarus") Lazkowicz die of a low-caliber headshot, after which his body was packed into a "coffinpedo" and fired at the nearest star. Then we discover he was a fugitive UNS researcher. Then we discover he performed [[Brain Uploading]] into a cryokit, which requires not only ability to heavily and illegally modify low-grade AI (possibly more complex than that of a torpedo variant ''not'' intended for combat at relativistic velocities in heavy countermeasures), but actually having a nanobot interface in his brain. And the "magical cryokit" is capable of administering secret extreme and subtle augmentations. Then we discover his job was doing exactly this as a part of immortality-via-brain-backup project. Then get to see a man using augmentations from "magical cryokit" revived several times after fatal injuries and another using one of the products derived from that project (far more limited than the cryokit's weaponized version) was alive and kicking after a headshot in a few minutes… Of course, he ''could'' opt for "do not resuscitate", but at which point did this hit "[[You Have Got to Be Kidding Me!]]" mark?
 
 
 
== Western Animation ==
* [[Inverted Trope|Inverted]] with Terra in ''[[Teen Titans (Animationanimation)|Teen Titans]]''; the writers did it intentionally.
* Expected with Jet in ''[[Avatar: The Last Airbender (Animation)|Avatar: The Last Airbender]]'', but [[Word of God]] actually stated he died. May apply to Smellerbee and Longshot though.
** Not that it stops the fans from crying out that ~[[He's Just Hiding~]], with many writing fanfiction to explain his survival. It doesn't help that his injuries ''weren't'' very well explained in-show. His death would have been made clear without the need of [[Word of God]], if Nickelodeon wasn't so opposed to having children dying on-screen, violent deaths.
** Well it is a kids show. It's not suprising they don't want kids to die brutal deaths. The ambiguity is lampshaded when they attend a [[Show Within a Show]] play based on their adventures to date:
{{quote| ''Zuko:'' Did Jet just die?<br />
''Sokka:'' It's a bit unclear. }}
* ''[[Beast Wars (Animation)|Beast Wars]].'' Very few "dead" characters suffered more damage than surviving ones who were tossed into a CR chamber and popped out just fine. Except for {{spoiler|Dinobot, and maybe Tigerhawk if he was completely vaporized}}, there's not one of them who wouldn't be just fine if someone were to find them and fix them up. In the comics, it's ''already'' happened to Ravage. {{spoiler|The second Dinobot is even ''last seen on a ship that is going down,'' which is shorthand for "just wait three episodes or so" in cartoon-land. There just... weren't any more episodes.}}
* In ''[[Transformers: theThe Movie]]'', the Decepticons brutally murder the crew of an Autobot shuttle, including Prowl, Ratchet, Brawn, and Ironhide. While it is pretty unambiguous that Prowl, Ironhide and Ratchet died, several people insist that Brawn actually survived, since he was only shot once in the shoulder and has taken tougher injuries in the past. Plus, he showed up in a shot in a later episode (though this was possibly an animation error, since the Decepticon Bonecrusher was with him) and was not mentioned among the dead Autobots in another.
 
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